Mini Normal 2324: Fake Fantasy Facts | Postgame

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He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

btw that's bonkers that this is a common occurence for enchant to act like that

i legit don't get it

This is townEnchant doing this.

Imo, if this was scum enchant doing this, it’s borderline bannable.

How is it worse then self voting as town?

Because Enchant wasn’t going down really here, not in that sense, and as scum, it’s not fair to a teammate.

Town, while it sucks for other townies to do it like that, it’s more anti wincon as scum than town

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@Hu Tao - you’ve seen me catch Enchant out as scum, this ain’t it

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Unfortunately comical is town since that was clap and randy. But I still think lap is town too. I don't want either.

It’s literally impossible for Lap to be town

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Unless you think I’m scum here

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We are in a direct 1v1

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In Enchant’s mind, nobody is listening to them, and they are out of the doctor claim, so they’re self destructing in a “fine, fading me does my plan anyways” kind of way

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He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

btw that's bonkers that this is a common occurence for enchant to act like that

i legit don't get it

This is townEnchant doing this.

Imo, if this was scum enchant doing this, it’s borderline bannable.

And if it's town enchant, it's also throwing! The only way this makes any sense is Enchant just trying to throw more chaos to prolong their life, and you yet again come to their defense when they're on the chopping block

You can tell this is coming from scum because we’re in a direct 1v1 and Lap is actively trying to convince ME that I’m scum here

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Enchant / Comical are the only scum team that makes sense in this mess of a day. Comical's timing is always perfect, swooping in at the last second Enchant hits E-1 to call me scum and spam post their way to an argument

‘Only team that makes sense’

On Day 2 in the game

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I can guarantee if I get voted today and you all see the big green 3x doc on my role card, Comical going to swoop in with 200 posts about how this was his galaxybrained fake claim and how it was super good for town and he's totally towny

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How

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Well your read is wrong

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Well your read is wrong

Are you fake claiming. Yes or no.

We’ve already been down this road earlier today

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You know how easy it would be for me to say yes as scum and have you town push me, and then fade enchant?

Tomorrow is mass claim today for yall. Full stop.

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Who you gonna try and pair me up with when Enchant flips town?

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What scum openly claims scum

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In a world where what Enchant is doing where the scum team was Enchant and I, it’s literally playing against wincon for them trying to die in a way that’s just far deeper than town self destructing.

If Enchant and I were scum together, and Enchant plays like this, it directly would take me down too based on me being in a 1v1 with Lap.

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Like the way they are playing or not, and j would hope it’s not, Enchant is town here

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Just so funny seeing all of Lap’s posts knowing they are scum

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Just so funny seeing all of Lap’s posts knowing they are scum

If I said I had an inno on Lap, what would you say?

If it’s a gunsmith inno, they’re a scum doc.

And probably call you scum if anything else, cuz I know for a fact Lap is scum.

I have also been calling you scum.

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I am not game throwing, i in fact play for my wincon more than everyone else combined.

How?

If your argument as Town is that by eliminating yourself first you ensure both Doc Claims stay alive, wouldn’t it be better to try to find other Scum today instead of self-sacrificing like that?

And as Mafia this makes even less sense I feel like.

The only thing I see here is a way too obvious Jester angle which can’t be, so what is going on?

Enchant doesn’t see any possibility of anyone else besides them getting eliminated outside of the doctors.

Enchant thinks going outside of the doctors today is best, because if you get the wrong doctor, then Naerys, a conf town, is 100% dead, but if you leave both of us alive, it guarantees I stay alive to protect Naerys the conf town. (From an outside pov? It guarantees the real doc stays alive to get a protection on the conf town)

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So enchant sees themselves as a better elimination than hitting one of the doctor claims today, which is inherently a town mindset. They see themselves as inevitably going down and has stopped playing basically.

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Especially because it’s proven nobody was listening to them. Especially Gypyx who said the exact same thing that Enchant did pages back, and acted like they never heard it before

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Yeah, Enchant’s trolling and being anti-town, but the nature of town allowing for town to get misfades isn’t inherently anti-wincon as much as it would be here for a scum Enchant.

It sucks, and is annoying, but yeah

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Just so funny seeing all of Lap’s posts knowing they are scum

you think Lap would be trying to bus their partner Margot that early?

Frankly, it’s not a matter of what I think they would do. I know for a fact they did because our roles can’t be here together.

And wasn’t Clap pushing Margot too? On the VCA i did, I see Lap moving off of Margot when Gamma wagon needs help tipping over the edge, so I caught Lap by VCA first.

Then they tried to claim doctor to counter my protective claim, and then tried to weasel the possibility of there being 2 doctors in the game so they don’t look bad after i flipped and didn’t have to directly 1v1.

They got caught out with the duplicate rule in Simple games.

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Just so funny seeing all of Lap’s posts knowing they are scum

If I said I had an inno on Lap, what would you say?

If it’s a gunsmith inno, they’re a scum doc.

And probably call you scum if anything else, cuz I know for a fact Lap is scum.

I have also been calling you scum.

What is a gunsmith inno?

Gunsmith checks if you have gun or not

To be able to kill.

So like Cops and Vigilantes are also seen with Guns.

Mafia Doctors do not have a Gun.

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Well, not necessarily to kill since Cops also give gun positive result.

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Comical is just fake claiming and causing this mess. It's kinda sad

If you think this, why not just full claim and mass claim?

You’re wrong.

But mass claim is 100% the best play

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I will support any wagon outside of doctors. Short on time.

Start the mass claim then.

Let’s hurry and go fast

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Lost all authority to order massclaims really.

On a scale of 1-10, how little do you think i care

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We aren't mass claiming day 2.

Clueless

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If I was scum I would let flavor do his thing and vote out town

I have literally posted proof that you would specifically not do this as scum

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The last time Hu Tao tried to shut down my mass claim, Hu Tao was scum, and we lost out on Info, and the PR that could have given us information during that mass claim died, and we didn't get the info.

there's some differences, but if we go to night here, and an unclaimed PR is sniped out, then once again, I am vindicated.

Spoiler:

We should mass claim before we hammer, unless that was it. It might be. Hu Tao's already like 99% of the time about to be killed, and it'll allow other PR's to go accordingly based on different act

Okay, cool.

Yeah, nono is always the play here.

I think we should mass claim, and I think Hu Tao should choose the order.

I don't think we need to mass claim. There is a likely doctor here and I don't think it's wise to out them since I got roleblocked and scum have a role blocker.

I think we just vote and end day. And doc is on me or Gera.

wait, whoever got doc'd is conf town, though

we lose out on that info if doc ended up dying tonight

Not doing mass claim. Just yeet so we can move the game along.

No mass claim. I think we just vote

Redoing this, showing the last time Hu Tao tried to stop me from pushing a Mass Claim. They were scum.

AND GUESS WHAT

WE DIDNT MASS CLAIM AND TOWN LOST INFORMATION AND TOWN LOST THE GAME

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Naerys - 1 shot Vig
Hu Tao - Investigative
Comical - Doctor
Lap - 3 - shot doc
Upwards - Vanilla
Enchant - Vanilla
Gypyx
DeltaWave
Lucca
PoP

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Anyone would guess me as vanilla here.

Yeah was obv

But anyone should see you’re town too

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Naerys - 1 shot Vig
Hu Tao - Investigative
Comical - Doctor
Lap - 3 - shot doc
Upwards - Vanilla
Enchant - Vanilla
Gypyx
DeltaWave
Lucca
PoP

You can bravely strike Hu Tao as invest, she fakeclaims all time.

Nope. They’re committing to it.


I’m going to protect them probably tonight too because of it.

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If there is 1 PR in those 4 unclaimed, this game is confirmed Hu Tao/Lap imo

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Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap. I'm not an investigation role

Now she’s back tracking and trying to find any opening she can that Lap survives

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I believe there are 4 town PR’s exactly in this game.

Me
Fud
Naerys

+1 more.

I want to protect that +1

Hu Tao has now claimed Vanilla.

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I already showed the math earlier on why that +1 is more likely to be shot at than Naerys tonight.

Lap, as doc, you take Naerys tonight. If Naerys dies, Lap is conf scum.

I will target outside of Naerys trying to block the PR snipe.

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Hey, me neither. I’d rather know where the PR is I’m protecting, but I have a good theory on who, and I’ll 50/50 Pop/Naerys tonight, just in case Lap gives themselves up.

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Okay well flavor just confirmed he was fake claiming on lap. I'm not an investigation role

Now she’s back tracking and trying to find any opening she can that Lap survives

You realize that if I were scum with lap that would be ACTUAL throwing by doing this?

Possibly.

You are wrong on Lap, though, 100%

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I may be wrong on you, but I have role confirmation Lap is scum.

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Delta could be scum.

I just don’t see the point of not mass claiming if you think I am fake claiming town, though.

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Luca, Delta, and PoP remain

VOTE: Delta

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Flavor what are you doing.

well, where do you believe we should be going?

I'm not voting Enchant. There's merit in keeping both Lap and I alive.

What do you suggest then, Naerys?

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I think Day 3 will be better

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Enchant is obv town

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Enchant was setup to be the misfade today.

He then came up and pushed that leaving the 2 doc claims alive makes sure Naerys conf town survives through the night.

Nobody listened to him, so he goes fuck it and doesn’t care about living because his plan still goes through

It’s just a town mindset

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I'm not voting Enchant. There's merit in keeping both Lap and I alive.

So if you're really the doctor, what's the merit in keeping confscum alive?

Simple

I survive through the night.

Either we go Lap, and I’m like always the death here.

Or we go me, and lose protective.

I am still looking for the 2nd scum

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I’ve kind of eased off Hu Tao because it is a bit much of defense on Lap, like PoP was.

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I really don’t think it’s Upwards, Gypyx feels confused af town, so that leaves Delta and Luca.


I feel my entire thought process has been laid out

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This 2 docs plan also confidently assumes that mafia doesn't have a roleblocker, which basically screws this whole thing up. Nerys flips town and we have the same problem as we do today.

Against 3 town PR's? Nah. Against 4 town PR's? Still probably not.

Maybe against 5, but we're clearly not living in that scenario.

Benefits of having a flipping Juggernaut in the game already.

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This was a recently ended Simple Normal.

1-shot BP
Jailkeeper
Neapolitan
Role Cop
6x Vanilla

vs

Mafia 1-Shot Juggernaut
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

here is this game
for completionist's sake, ill add Lap's fake claim too


1-shot Vigilante
Tracker
Doctor/3-shot Doctor
?????? Maybe
6x Vanilla

vs

Mafia 1-shot Juggernaut
?????
?????


Imo, for scum to have another PR, there needs to be 2 PR's in the unclaimed Lucca/Delta/PoP

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Imo, for scum to have another PR, there needs to be 2 PR's in the unclaimed Lucca/Delta/PoP

That's weird, you said you thought I was scum and are voting for me but this post implies that I'm not scum.

how so?

I also dont know for sure if you are scum, so dont know what you mean there?

I've also been theorizing potential Lucca scum.

Don't look at things from a black and white perspective.

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and i was town reading Lucca earlier. Reads evolve in Mafia. I'm also now starting to lean town on Hu tao, and that's changes where I was leaning overall.

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Imo, for scum to have another PR, there needs to be 2 PR's in the unclaimed Lucca/Delta/PoP

That's weird, you said you thought I was scum and are voting for me but this post implies that I'm not scum.

you 3 are also 3 (4?) of the unclaimed slots so you are the only places that could be PR.

right now, this feels like you're trying to twist words to turn a gamestate into yours and Lap's favor, so yes, I'm leaning you are scum, and my vote should imply that out of the people who aren't Lap, that you are the partner as of right now.

Does this make you 100% scum? absolutely not, but I think Enchant is obv town. Hu tao, someone who I recently started to lean town on, also voted you.

So that's also syncing up.

Now you try to twist things to make them look worse?

Yeah, I lean scum on you. You could still be a town PR, and I could be wrong that you're scum.

But looks like you're more interested in twisting words.

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PoP’s 1685 is factually untrue.

Laplacian specifically tried to warrant the possibility of 2 doctors based on Dragon’s other games

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Lapia, would you be willing to elaborate on your restrictions?

I think there's a chance for you both to be town if these restrictions prevent you from targeting each other in some way

1-shot strongman against a single protective is also maybe a bit overkill actually

Fuck it, radical honesty time. 3 shot doc.

Dragon has run a 2 doc game before, so it's not totally out of the question. 100% another scum role though if we have 2 PRs, one with no restrictions.

Conical, did you want to full claim?

They were actively lining up pushing the possibility of having 2 docs.

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Get popped, PoP

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He did get caught out.

I know 100% my role pm is Doctor.

If I were to be flipped, Laplacian is 100% confirmed scum, no if’s ands or butts.

If Lap flips, they flip scum, and i am also 100% confirmed town unless you think we’re bussing.

Pop, you just being salty cuz you don’t like the way I’m posting, but you’re wrong

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He doesn’t have to be like caught out to you all, but over time, yes, he is 100% caught out.

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This is absolutely garbage play if I were scum here acting this way.

How does this ever turn out in my favor if i were scum here?

You find it weird and off putting, sure, but I assure you, I am town, and you know it in your heart that this makes absolutely no sense coming from me as scum

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I claimed Protective role fucking way before Lap.

You’re fucking wrong full stop, pop

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Like the entirety of your 1685 is just not true

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You’re trying to wiggle it around and make some sense in your head that I’m scum here because you don’t like the way I’m posting when there is absolutely zero reason for me to post this way as scum

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I am calculated and confident as scum.

I am cocky as town.

Which one do you think this is?

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Disagree.

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But i also don’t care because you’re pushing this from the conclusion i am scum, and i just know you are wrong.

Don’t try to convince me im scum

You can find just as many reasons to town read me here, you just don’t care to look for those

Ignoring the main thing of

“Why do any of this shit as scum?”

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Just flow Lap.

We’re in a direct 1v1, let’s play a “take out each other’s partner” game.

You really think my most likely partner here is Enchant over someone like a Hu Tao, Gypyx, or Lucca?

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I am calculated and confident as scum.

I am cocky as town.

Which one do you think this is?

If you know your meta, you can work to mitigate it. Worthless argument

Do you disagree with that sentiment though?

I think it’s fine for people to think I am scum here, but still it wouldn’t be a cocky roughshod unless it was specifically planned to do so.

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I mean, I’m confident, sure

I’m not confident i don’t get eliminated, though

I think that’s the big thing that shows I’m town

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VOTE: Comical

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Just go me.

Then follow my reads after

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I’m obv town.

zero benefit if I were scum.

Hu Tao clearly sees I’m town even

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Enchant is obvious af town. If you mislim them after me, yall deserve to lose this

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Naerys dies tonight

You go into tomorrow with confirmed scum Lap

Gypyx
Lucca
Upwards
Delta

Have the final scum in them.

Pop doesn’t defend Lap this way. Hu Tao doesn’t play that way if scum with Lap.

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I don’t think Upwards is scum here either, but i won’t be keeping up with this game after

I’m vindicated in death anyways

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You’re welcome

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Actually, maybe it’s time to come clean.

Been waiting for Lucca to come back in here because they were the only one who didn’t get to taste any of the honey from the honey traps.

I am a Bodyguard.

Was trying to wait for after Mass Claim to force scum to pick Vanilla or PR now.

I’ve been pushing mass claim because there are most likely 4 PR’s in this game.

With a juggernaut and the flipped roles, sorry, there’s more than likely 4 town PR’s this game, +2 goons. This is a Simple game.

Had a player claimed PR, I was going to claim Bodyguard and go over this.

I believe scum are in the unclaimed area, maybe Gypyx, idk.

Enchant is OBVIOUS AF town.

Lap is ‘most likely town’ based on the denseness of their posts this day phase.

Hu Tao…is ‘probably town’. I don’t think it makes sense for scum to bring up the possibility of me fake claiming.

Enchant straight up knew I was fake claiming, imo, that’s clear af they knew I was fake claiming as town.

PoP is too mad to be scum here.

Keep in mind, with the idea that if Lap is also town, scum were playing this knowing that I was lying with my role probably, and trying to figure out where they stand with things.


This is 100% why Enchant was correct to go outside of the doctors, and a reason Hu Tao also went outside.

Pop, Enchant, and Hu Tao hard read through the lines (different attitudes about it, but I digress).

We are in a situation where the setup is

1-shot Vig
3-shot Doc
Tracker
Bodyguard
6x Vanilla

Vs

Juggernaut
Goon
Goon

If there were no other PR’s claimed this game, it is basically CONFIRMED that there are 2 goons and that all claimed PR’s are town.

Now if a PR is claimed, it’s either a 5 PR game with 2 scum PR, but I highly doubt that’s the case here.

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VOTE: Comical

Can you not

You said you’d let me cook

Now eat my fancy cuisine

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Comical if Lap was scum, why do you think he cc'd instead of just going with the flow of the game

Lap is obv town.

Who the hell fake claims 3-shot doc

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And then pushes densely that the team is Enchant-Comical.

Like, maybe I’m overestimating their ability, but I think they’re dense town fairly dealing with jittery Flavor

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Imo, Delta and Gypyx always have scum in them based on the way they reacted today.

It is most natural for scum to sit back and let us tear each other apart, and then manage.

Scum naturally are not going to want to let on that they would have known Lap and I were both town. They had to have known one of us were lying, and probably me.

Pop is too angry angry to be scum.

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And then pushes densely that the team is Enchant-Comical.

Like, maybe I’m overestimating their ability, but I think they’re dense town fairly dealing with jittery Flavor

Who do you think is the scum on the gamma wagon? Unless you think all were off

It’s not impossible all were off, but Delta and Lap vote were the worst ones on it, and Lap coming after me as scum instead of taking Enchant’s deal is townie.

So Delta.

If Enchant is in my blind spot somehow, then maybe, but why doesn’t Enchant just let Lap vs I play out as scum. They actively self destructed when they had a possible winning play come into the game?

And frankly, I can see a potential Hu Tao knowing that we’re both town TMI’ing us, but they win the game with a pocket on me by voting Delta exactly where they did because it lined up where I wanted

And i really don’t think they bring up the me fake claiming as town but if they are actually scum.

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VOTE: Delta

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It’s funny you waited until now to vote me

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To be fair, i didn’t plan to out the doctor.

I just claimed I was a protective role, which is true.

Lap claimed doctor, and when I saw the opportunity after Lap claimed, went for it. They were one of my stronger scum reads at the time, and it lead me to being able to town read them.

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I very clearly wanted to go for Enchant’s plan of fading off the wagon.

We’d have gotten to tomorrow with, likely Naerys, Lap, and myself alive with the possibility of me catching a night kill with my Bodyguard shot.

And then I’d have claimed tomorrow

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Comical you do realize this stupid gambit was never going to work due to scum KNOWING There isn't scum in you / lap?

we've got like what, one (1) enchant semi-clear from all that?

Looks like we caught one here.

Hu Tao, do you see why?

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I was actively trying to see who did know that Lap and I were town/town, that’s kind of the whole purpose.

Hu Tao did bring up and call out exactly what happened.

I’m like 85% sure Enchant saw it, and then started to self destruct more? They wanted someone outside of docs and settled on them.

PoP clearly felt something wrong, but I highly doubt they thought we were both town.

So you start to narrow down who knew that we were both town, but didn’t act on it.

And frankly, I think it’s out of the two of Gypyx/Delta with a side order of Lucca. I didn’t get enough Lucca

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We got 2 claimed protectives to stop any other PR’s from dying

If i were scum, how does on explain why a PR who claimed died?

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I mean, Lucca is in the pool.

But if you recall from the beginning, Lucca and Upwards were near the top of my town reads prior to all that starting.

That didn’t just change. If anything they both did drop tremendously.

But Delta and Gypyx, you two were already people I was sussing out earlier.

Upwards did come in through all of this and was absolutely confused

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If i were scum, how does on explain why a PR who claimed died?

Don't pretend like you don't know that roleblockers exist.

I showed why Roleblocker doesn’t make sense in this setup.

And most people have claimed now.

If I were scum, i feel like it necessitates 2 more PR in a 3 person pool, and yeah, i really don’t think so.

I think you’re salty scum here

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Oh great, so you lied and all you got out if it was confirmation bias. You can come up with a better excuse than this.

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I never told a lie, i just true claimed a bunch a shit that wasn’t true

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@Lap - you target Naerys tonight. I’m gonna try and get killed with my bodyguard.

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Damn most I’ve seen you do since I’ve been here

You’re doing well, though.

Let’s see if it works

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Shoot your shot, low key rooting for you

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I think we have a Lap, Comical, Hu Tao, Enchant, Naerys town core here, so that’s a good start. It’s only Day 2, plenty of time.

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I never told a lie, i just true claimed a bunch a shit that wasn’t true

Claiming shit that isn’t true sounds like lying to me

How can I trust you said the truth this time?

think about reasoning behind it and how it would lead to me as scum winning, and think about if you think that it was me playing that way to lead to a path that would be a scum victory.

you can read my entire thought process behind it and try to see if it makes sense to you on why in that scenario

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and think about if that answer makes sense from a scum perspective really.

what i said with that line is definitely more of a joke with the saying things that arent true.

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My point is that we both knew the claim was 100% fake, either Comical town fakeclaiming or Comical scum. My issue is that you fully treated him as town and didn't question it, when from an uninformed perspective you should be capable of seeing that his play here accomplishes scum goals far more than it does town goals.

To be fair, Hu Tao knows this is not how i act as scum

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I’m not positive on Delta.

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But at least one of Delta, Pop, Gypyx is always scum

You feeling it’s PoP? I think they’re just aggressive triggered town, but it could be fake.

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Gonna open up blender, model a table, and then run my 3D printer all night so I have more fucking tables to flip

Let it be said I don't back down from a dumb bit
https://imgur.com/YoeCrLK

Hilarious

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Unfortunately i am town who almost wrecked this game with the gambit…

But almost is the key word.

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I think you should focus elsewhere, Delta.

Like even if you think I’m scum, who’s the partner?

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Comical you do realize this stupid gambit was never going to work due to scum KNOWING There isn't scum in you / lap?

we've got like what, one (1) enchant semi-clear from all that?

It’s TMI’ing that we are actually TvT. Gypyx is saying this from a scum pov

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The main problem with today is that there still isn't a clear consensus about who is scum. My concern is that people will vote for me because "oh the day ends tomorrow and we have to lim somebody" which will be a good excuse when I flip town. And that's what we're going to do into D3 with, no clear scumreads and a townie flip with plausible deniability for those on the wagon. ("Oh I went with the gambit", "Oh we had to lim somebody, too bad it was a townie", etc etc.) It's not a position I'd like to be in and I would like to be here at least into D3.

No Lim is actually better than just "I had to vote because of the deadline" no-accountability votes.

The bottom is so wrong

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Eh, i got a town core out of it, so yall say useless, i say….i got a town core out of it.

5 person strong town care. Useless. Ya.

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And everyone saying it’s useless because scum would know it’s T/T. That’s literally what you look for.

I think people overestimate people’s ability to act like they didn’t know something weird was going on.

Scum are going to naturally act like they didn’t know.

Hu Tao…did the opposite. PoP got triggered heavily.

Those are not scum reactions.

Enchant avoided dealing with doc claims, and gave a rational play of playing outside to protect Naerys which opened the game up to more clarity as the game went on.

Delta and Gypyx are literally the only two who acted in a way where the line “Scum knew it was TvT” makes any sense with their play. Luca and Upwards take the place of one of them if they aren’t scum, but in order of likely scum to least likely I go:

Gypyx
Delta
Lucca
Upwards

And based on how Lucca talks to Upwards, I don’t think it’s the two of them together.

It’s Day 2. That’s a great pool.

People trying to act like a lot didn’t come out of it is B A D spells bad.

Also, sorry Lucca, my phone likes to auto correct your name to taking out one of the C’s. I tried to fix em all.

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1.9

Gamma Emerald

(5): Enchant,

Comical

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave

MargotRosa

(3): Gypyx, Laplacian,

FuDuzn

DeltaWave (2): Hu Tao, PoP
Upwards (1): lucca261

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Naerys (1): Gamma Emerald

1.11

Gamma Emerald

(5): Enchant,

Comical

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave

MargotRosa

(3): Gypyx, Laplacian,

FuDuzn

DeltaWave (2): Hu Tao, PoP
Laplacian (2): lucca261,

Gamma Emerald

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

1.12

Gamma Emerald

(7): Enchant,

Comical

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave, Laplacian,

Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2): Hu Tao, PoP
Laplacian (2): lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa

(1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Now if you check a bit later into the evening, we get a Gamma Emerald counterwagon. This is officially confirmed based on the flips, and the votes that place the Gamma wagon over the edge, are Delta's....and yes, you guessed it. Laplacian.

This makes it highly likely for a clear blue skies day, and finding a scum in one of the two. While it's possible they BOTH are scum, it's also likely that there could be one off, either on the Delta wagon or the Laplacian wagon. Interesting that both of those names show up yet again. Patterns are a coincidence? Most likely not.

Consider this @Comical.

Lap is town. Enchant by you is town.

So the only two possible scum on Gamma is in [Upwards/Delta]. Earlier D2 Upwards was a wagon that got to E-2. @1035. Both conftown and your slot were on the wagon.
Then the Enchant wagon starts as a response to Upwards being on E-2. PoP and Hu Tao, who weren't voting Upwards, jump to vote Enchant. If Enchant, as you say, is a easy wagon being propped by scum, wouldn't it be an easy wagon made exactly to protect Upwards?

Sure, it could be.

If you notice, Upwards is in my 4.

I do think scum is on that wagon. Delta is unflipped yet. I have felt generally okay with Upwards for a while, and I get a lot of their confusion.

Whereas with Gypyx and Delta, I felt like they were trying to act. They probably were legit confused at first as scum, but i was looking for that kind of thing.

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Unfortunately, I am getting some Gypyx/Lucca team vibes, but I’m just paranoid.

And in a Gypyx/Lucca team they want this delta wagon to go through while defending to look good and start an upwards fade tomorrow.

That’s a tinfoil, but i don’t think it’s that tinfoil.

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I’m not positive with Delta fwiw.

If Upwards is town, Lucca is like always scum here imo.

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I’m willing to hammer

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I’m gonna 50/50 Pop/Hu Tao.

You get Naerys, Lap.

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Eh, actually, I’m gonna 50/50 Hu Tao/Lap

If Pop dies, Pop dies

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Two of those three players have been adamant in getting Delta off. In fact, they are vote 1 and vote 2 on that wagon.

If you are not voting Upwards, the only other possible lim at this stage, you are killing Delta indirectly and supporting a wagon straight up created by both of those players. (because if we get close to the deadline, I'll just hammer Delta)

This is manipulative.

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And trust me, I would know

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Lucca/Delta or Lucca/Gypyx

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I really don’t think Upwards flips scum, but I’ll hammer to avoid day ending without

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Eh, I think we should hold on Delta.

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I think Upwards is just a poor townie who got caught up in my obsessiveness kicking in. I was wild all over then I went dark for a few days site wide.

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Pop said they’d eliminate end of day, i think we just sit it out.

At least we’ll know for sure with Delta.

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Nobody died during the night!

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Naerys

Enchant

Hu Tao
Laplacian

Lucca/Upwards
Gypyx/PoP

Order from town to scum most likely

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We have 4 chances to hit scum.

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what makes hu tao so towny again?

She basically helped turn the wagon from Enchant to Delta.

A silly bus if a bus because now Hu Tao would have to go through 4 misfades before winning.

Whereas the difference between why I think Lap has slightly more chance of being scum (5th, though) is because their vote does look a little bit more like a bus.

I think Lucca’s hammer isn’t that bad, they could have held off and hoped for a no elim, but if Delta got hammered, it would have looked bad.

Upwards does look sort of bad for not hammering Delta, and then self voting.

Delta voting Upwards doesn’t change my mind too much on that since that was really the only option.

I looked back at PoP over the night, and they actually look pretty rough, and i think it kinda makes sense for one scum to have gone after Lap, and the other scum to go after me. It was just so much.

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Yeah, it’s possible. That’s where I was yesterday.

I think it’s possible Lucca really just did town read Delta, though.

I think it’s probs just Gypyx, though. A lot of her stuff didn’t make a lot of sense, and she was indirectly trying to help delta out, and she made a lot of weird comments early in the day towards me I felt were off.

She actively was hoping for a no elim it looks like.


Lucca was kind of discrediting me earlier alongside Delta, so that’s neat that scumDelta immediately started discrediting me when I came into the game. I was getting shade left and right until i claimed protective.

I think that Delta rage was genuine. How was Delta supposed to act? idk, not like that

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VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

Sure

just think you're being very restrictive as to who's a potential suspect

i also don't rlly buy Lucca being a thing but i haven't reread yet

Just think your opinions were wrong at best, scummy at worst

Well duh that's not really something i'm contesting now is it

i guess the only slot for who i sit at a "maybe they're actually not town" is comical but that's not really fueled by rational thinking yet

anyways idk i just wanna go through the motions rn

Yeah, I got in a hard 1v1 with with the town doc, and stopped an Enchant wagon so I could hard bus Delta

VOTE: Gypyx

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I think scum leaned onto Laplacian over me because they probably knew i was the fake doctor, so a Lap flip lead into a Comic flip, but a Comic flip wouldn’t lead into a Lap flip.

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Looks like a scum resignation. Hope it’s not a town resignation.

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Flavor if we yeet gypyx today and its town you will help me yeet lucca tmorrow

Yeah, i think we just go Gypyx->Lucca->PoP->Upwards and win no matter what unless Lap, Hu Tao, or Enchant pulling a fast one.

I don’t believe any of them are.

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The No Kill definitely makes sense to have scum be extra demoralized.

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I probably die tonight, though, but that’s the order I would push the 4 in.

Upwards as scum might become more obvious as time goes on, and they have the least chance of talking themselves out of it, I feel.

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Flavor if we yeet gypyx today and its town you will help me yeet lucca tmorrow

Yeah, i think we just go Gypyx->Lucca->PoP->Upwards and win no matter what unless Lap, Hu Tao, or Enchant pulling a fast one.

I don’t believe any of them are.

I’d be okay if Gypyx->Upwards->Lucca->PoP.

I am starting to think if Lucca is town, they might be onto something with Upwards after how Up acted.

It kinda looks like Upwards tried to fall on the sword for delta, and if Upwards flipped scum, delta would have looked better coming out of it.

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The vote pattern is decent for you. Wish you made yourself a separate color, though.

I have seen scum sit on a rando wagon before, but i wouldn’t say you’re my main suspect either right now. I think game ends with Gypyx, maybe Upwards.

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Nobody died during the night!

Awww yisss

Lap this looks so fake

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Gypyx attitude today has shifted way too much, and shouldn’t be so negative considering we caught 2nd scum and got a no kill, and I think that’s the biggest scum tell

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If Gypyx is town, this is upsetting. Why? Because they were wrong on Delta?

So what, we’re ahead now, it happened.

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No reason to give up like this way, being an Enchant.

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Enchant this is your chance to catch scum

i belive in u

pedit : well, then we'll vote for you tommrow but not today UwU

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

How does validation come in to this? Enchant claimed Scum on page 60; they're either scum or gamethrowing. And I'd like to know which as soon as possible so we can either a) win by resolving the 1v1 or b) can stop caring.

they're gamethrowing either way

and also the fact is that they're doing in full intent of dying, which... yeah

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No reason to give up like this way, being an Enchant.

i'm absolutely mad at myself for being like this right now fwiw

but like idk

don't feel like i have much of a better way out

If you’re scum, like I get it.

If you’re town, eh, I still get it, but it’s okay to be faded. Does it feel bad? Sure. But you took the chance to defend Delta.

You were wrong. It’s okay to be wrong, but we gotta get to the right conclusion.

Knowing that Delta was scum, where do you think the last scum is?

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It’s okay to not know yet, but i do think it should be worked on getting to try and know, ya know?

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I think tonight if necessary, 50/50 doc on Naerys or Myself

Then I will 50/50 on Hu Tao/Lap.

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Jokes aside, I dont see how we lose this with an 8v1. Even a pgo and some drunken dayvigs would have trouble ruining it. Gonna rerrad some stuff after work and probably vote gypyx unless i find something super weird.

I think going [Upwards, Gyp, PoP] wins this 100% of the time

why aren't people considering PoP anyway?

I agree.

And then that last slot can be a 50/50 for you or Lap if game isn’t over.


Gypyx->Upwards->Pop->Lucca/Lap

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Mmmm nah

Oh well.

I won't bother you anymore.
Today, that's it.

Did you want to explain this? I thought about docing Comical last night and now after you said that, and I can't see a world where Naerys is not the better heal for me.

I mean, there are plenty reasons. If you can’t see any of me, that’s kinda like…

After Delta push, I’m like never scum + I had a claimed action.

I think it was fine because I was hoping to take the shot, but never seeing a world?

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There’s a reason they call my Boonskiies account, ‘That’s Not All, Folks!’

I am a 1-shot BP!!!!!!



Scum totally killed me last night

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It’s Enchant

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Me you lap and comical are town. We need 1 more tr.

It’s Enchant

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I’m more sure about Enchant than I am Lap. I do town read Lap, but trusting your read there.

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How could Lap not be town?

i could come up with a couple scenarios, but i dont really think any are true. their vote on delta was the weakest imo, but i still think overall it makes sense Lap is town.

Game probs ends with Upwards? If so, that's kinda cool I came into this game, pushed Upwards, then switched over to Delta right after.

I still think there's merit in LuccaScum or PopScum, but i think some things both of them have done are just weird as scum, like the bus hammer from Lucca, the over aggression from PoP onto me, just really weird and unnatural choices to make as scum albeit choices that could have been made. They aren't natural choices, they are chosen choices, if that makes sense.

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And in general, Upwards has had some weird things. Lucca pushing an Upwards wagon and Delta joining with Upwards self voting does look like potential partnering with Delta/Upwards. Upwards played really weird there.

Upwards also has gotten hung up on something Macho Man had said, and kept trying to get me to explain what Macho Man said. I am not Macho Man, idc what Macho said, I dont know what Macho's thought process was. Just because it's my slot, doesn't mean I know where Macho was coming from.

Keep in mind, this No Kill doesn't extend the game either, so it's definitely possible scum No Killed this time.

I think yesterday's no kill was clearly targeting me since it was confirmed Naerys was getting doctor'd + I am never scum with Deltawave after that day phase.

That is actually a mark against Lucca, but idk if it's true.

I think Upwards->Lucca->PoP is the path.

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VOTE: upwards

who did you target, Lap?

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How could Lap not be town?

i could come up with a couple scenarios, but i dont really think any are true. their vote on delta was the weakest imo, but i still think overall it makes sense Lap is town.

Game probs ends with Upwards? If so, that's kinda cool I came into this game, pushed Upwards, then switched over to Delta right after.

I still think there's merit in LuccaScum or PopScum, but i think some things both of them have done are just weird as scum, like the bus hammer from Lucca, the over aggression from PoP onto me, just really weird and unnatural choices to make as scum albeit choices that could have been made. They aren't natural choices, they are chosen choices, if that makes sense.

outside of that ten-page period where you pushed Laplacian?

Well ya, but that was already proven to be a fake push which ended with us landing on scum definitively.

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VOTE: Gypyx

boop

Sorry Gyp, should've pushed Upwards harder yesterday, but kinda lost motivation after the game just turned into a sequence of lims

Eh, end of the day, you already cased Upwards, and upwards was on the sequence here today.

gypyx gave themselves up, i was open to an Upwards fade yesterday, but Gypyx resigned.

I never understand people giving up after a scum flip like that

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+ a no kill

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I think Lucca next if this flips town.

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I do not do anything ‘just for the sake of it’

I am overly calculated.

That’s just garbage analysis

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Going delta is stupid af as scum in my perspective

Use brain

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I think it’s just Lucca.

Upwards just feels like noob town

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I’ve said my piece this game, so overall I’m shutting off. This game is a done deal.

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I do not do anything ‘just for the sake of it’

You ceirtanly do so confuse town, even (espicially) it's not something expected from you.

That's what i call "just for the sake of it"

Oh, i do tons of shit as town just for the sake of it

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VOTE: Lucca

I caught a scum, maybe 2 if Lucca ends up being scum.

I’m checking out.

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I don’t think it really matters much anymore, just follow fade order and games over

Lucca or upwards today, if games continues do the other.

Feel like it’s always in them

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VOTE: Lucca

I caught a scum, maybe 2 if Lucca ends up being scum.

I’m checking out.

I feel like you actually doesn't even think I'm scum, just want to solve the game alone because of ego

I prefer to solve the game as group

It literally just does not matter order we go if we go in sequence

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And me voting you changes nothing about Upwards alignment, so that comment really doesn’t make sense

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Watching Percy Jackson

I’m not really a fan of the Disney tv show formula, but i always wanted that series to have something solid

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What are people’s thoughts in a world where Upwards flips town?

I can’t tell really what the flip will be here, but i don’t think it’s like always scum by any means.

I kinda can see Upwards making all these posts as town.

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I don’t think the defenses are good, but i dont really think there’s a way they could defend well anyways

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Watching Percy Jackson

I’m not really a fan of the Disney tv show formula, but i always wanted that series to have something solid

Worth watching if you never read the books? They came out just right after I started moving away from YA stuff so I never read them

Yeah, I’d say so. I only read the first one, though.

It is very young adult, though, like Harry Potter middle grade even at times, but I’m having fun with it.

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I believe ya Upwards, you and Enchant are selling me.

I think it’s in Lucca or PoP right now

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Lucca is more towny than upwards

Yeah, but does that make Upwards scum over Lucca? Idk.

I really just changed votes because Enchant didn’t seem ready to end the day, and was okay with letting the day play a bit more.

I’m okay going Upwards if we’re ready to end the day, but I really can’t say I’m certain Up is scum.