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[Gypyx]

Btw I do think one of Hu Tao / Gypyx is a wolf

You don't think they could be partnered?

I didn't say I thought they couldn't be, I wanna wait to see a flip first and foremost but if I was a compulsive/impulsive gambler I would bet on the pair rn

honestly i get how you can see that but i highly doubt it

[Gypyx]

but i highly doubt it

... you know it's you yeah?

this was more meant in relation to me TR'ing of hu tao

[Gypyx]

Btw I do think one of Hu Tao / Gypyx is a wolf

You don't think they could be partnered?

I didn't say I thought they couldn't be, I wanna wait to see a flip first and foremost but if I was a compulsive/impulsive gambler I would bet on the pair rn

honestly i get how you can see that but i highly doubt it

You doubt that you're partnered with Hu?

yeah like idk i've searched everywhere in the scum PT i don see them

[Gypyx]

psyche's turn

[Gypyx]

Im sorry, i hate to leave in the middle of the fun but I have to go in a minute for an hour. We can continue after

heyheyheyheyheyeheyeheyeheyeheyeheyehyeheye

[Gypyx]

current claims

Hu Tao - Odd-night JKer
Gypyx - VT
Black - VT
Outworld - Macho Neap
JacksonVirgo - VT
Psyche - 1-shot Watcher
Ketchup - VT

confirmed : Odd-Night Vigilante

[Gypyx]

Right sorry everyone, I swear I wasn’t away scheming, I had an overrunning german tutoring session.


I’m vanilla townie, and surprised at the amount of vanilla townie claims there have been. At least one must be a lie.

actually we have too much PR claims right now

[Gypyx]

unless scum has some very good power ofc

[Gypyx]

actually we have too much PR claims right now

You realise how gated the claimed PRs are yeah? Not necessarily

they aren't really gated?

[Gypyx]

anyways more thoughts about claims coming after

[Gypyx]

actually we have too much PR claims right now

You realise how gated the claimed PRs are yeah? Not necessarily

they aren't really gated?

All bar one is gated.

Odd night is a very weak gate

[Gypyx]

I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

jackson you better not start saying stupid shit

[Gypyx]

sorry that was a bit excessive of me

[Gypyx]

Nah, it's fine but you gotta clarify what stupid shit you were thinking of when you said that

Stuff that i'll wait for massclaim to end to start talking about

[Gypyx]

yeah i wonder what i could be thinking about too

[Gypyx]

can't we just vote scum out?

[Gypyx]

yeah

[Gypyx]

Yeah, I don't recall a single 13p normal game that doesn't have three wolves

there was one before the queue change but it certainely wouldn't fly now with the simple normal guidelines

bad post from psyche tbh

[Gypyx]

Mmm, I'm finding it really hard to keep sitting on my hands

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

[Gypyx]

i don't know how am pm works but it's 21 in france

[Gypyx]

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

[Gypyx]

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

That's not what I asked

something stupid would be accusing hu tao

[Gypyx]

i'm in you walls jacksonvirgo

and also very much aware that some of my antics might've put town in a rough position

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[Gypyx]

How has it been playing as a wolf this game Gypyx?

man i wish

[Gypyx]

This entire time you've seemed to try and set up mislims moreso than really solving the game

are you saying that cause i'm not writing 10 paragraph long cases or is it something else

tbf this playstyle experiment has maybe not gone as well as i would've hoped to but my play has only been protown, save for the dann hammer which i admit was somewhat of a throw

idk i'm just fed up with never mattering as town

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I can't place it but this post reads pretty awful

i'm trying really hard to say stuff without saying it

Can you explain the shift here considering the "inno on you"

Shit happens, had doubts, especially because i was voting with a lot of my scumreads on titus

the hammer was born out of a place of being fine to kill a vt (which i rationaled would probably have happened regardless) to keep a PR's cover

[Gypyx]

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

Or this one

not sure what're you're trying to say here

[Gypyx]

Also why you've been trying to discredit me whenever my reads do not align with what you think like when you called Jacob wolf just cuz I came in with a vote on you, and just recently when you were trying to pull apart when I said I had a solve

i honestly don't recall that jacob wolf thingy

and i mean, look, what, am i supposed to wait nicely for you to give out a wrong solve in ELo? yeah i'm a bit tense cause today's the day where i can do things and you seem to be coming in here with a very strongscumread already

[Gypyx]

anyways when scum black endgames you i'm flipping a chair or something

[Gypyx]

This entire time you've seemed to try and set up mislims moreso than really solving the game

are you saying that cause i'm not writing 10 paragraph long cases or is it something else

tbf this playstyle experiment has maybe not gone as well as i would've hoped to but my play has only been protown, save for the dann hammer which i admit was somewhat of a throw

idk i'm just fed up with never mattering as town

No it's because you seem to be throwing shade at the PRs to a degree I would consider unjustified, the whole gating back and forth we had was just strange to me. It didn't feel you were looking at it in nearly the lens you should be looking at it with considering the low power of the Town if all those claims were true and there were no others. Then your take on Psyche

"Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea"

Seems overly grasping at straws if I were to use terminology I had used against you in the past to make my point. This opportunism I'm seeing has been consistent since I replaced in. You're not giving it critical thought even though you're seemingly trying to make it seem like you are

look, we disagree on balance, like, fine

i think the nrg approves the following without any issue

Odd-Night JKer
Odd-Night Vig
Macho Neap
Vtx7

Goonx2
Goon / weak action investigative

Psyche's claim is just out of place fluff that doesn't need him to provide anything in order to have a realistic claim

using caps here half out of anger and half to drive my point here

HIS CLAIM IS SHIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S GRASPING AT STRAWS

[Gypyx]

i'd even say that a 1-shot watcher provides excessive swing that synergized in no way with a *macho* main investigative

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

Why would you vote. Scum can blitz with 2 town votes

how does hu tao know that there are three scum

Clearly I'm one of the 3 scum

Please Hu Tao they're gonna murder me

[Gypyx]

Votecount 3.1

Votecount 3.1

Not Voting (8):

Hu Tao, Gypyx, Luca Blight, JacksonVirgo, ketchup777, Psyche, Black, OutWorldER

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

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don't mind me just quoting that

[Gypyx]

can't we just vote scum out?

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

i'm not sure why both of you are so impatient about this when the day has basically just started

Mine was more a humorous consideration about oversmplifying the game

Meanwhile jackson's play completely mystifies me and i'll just assume he's scum to save my mental sanity i think

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

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[Gypyx]

Psyche / Black / jackson or something

[Gypyx]

anyways i'd be very happy to talk with anyone named "NotJackson"

[Gypyx]

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

That's not what I asked

something stupid would be accusing hu tao

You were at one point on Hu Tao's wagon

Yes but i still defended her in the end and this wasn't meant for the whole entire game, this was meant for now that the JKer claim is out

[Gypyx]

really wanna 1v1 jackson ngl

[Gypyx]

Few things

I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

jackson you better not start saying stupid shit

sorry that was a bit excessive of me

Why were you so "heated", for lack of a better term, about the possibility I was gonna call Hu Tao wolf when that's information on your end and not public information? This still feels incredibly out of place

you had started this day by expressing that me / hu contained at least 1 scum, assumed your opinions stayed roughly in that range

as for being heated, it's elo, and i'm tense, especially seeing someone who i belive is town going towards the part of solving the game that i know for a fact is wrong

can't we just vote scum out?

Were you referring to black here? What prompted you to say this in this moment?

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

i'm not sure why both of you are so impatient about this when the day has basically just started

Mine was more a humorous consideration about oversmplifying the game

Meanwhile jackson's play completely mystifies me and i'll just assume he's scum to save my mental sanity i think

What about my play mystifies you?

how you're acting plainly proscum / going against all logic that i'm capable of conceinving but i think that's just solved by having your slot as scum

for instance i don't get why you're interrogating PR's about their actions when they're basically conftown

[Gypyx]

youre finding good stuff jackson but i agree with the people who said we should wait till luca and hu tao claim

dont we suspect hu tao more than luca so should make hu tao claim actions before luca? or no

NO KETCHUP

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup, Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

hu tao is also basically conftown barring any protective CC from luca, in which case i'll reevaluate accordingly but that's not something we should be playing around

[Gypyx]

For someone who thought there were too many PR claims, you saying they're basically conftown is actually insane

For someone who thinks there are enough PR claims, you acting suspicious of them still is actually insane

[Gypyx]

for instance i don't get why you're interrogating PR's about their actions when they're basically conftown

This doesn't match with your earlier posts about Psyche

by PR's i mean hu tao

[Gypyx]

youre finding good stuff jackson but i agree with the people who said we should wait till luca and hu tao claim

dont we suspect hu tao more than luca so should make hu tao claim actions before luca? or no

NO KETCHUP

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup, Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

hu tao is also basically conftown barring any protective CC from luca, in which case i'll reevaluate accordingly but that's not something we should be playing around

sorry im a bit nooby can someone elaborate on why a watcher would not make sense

the watcher targets someone and see who visited them at night

it's main use is catching out scum performing the nightkill

[Gypyx]

please can someone who's town agree that Black / Jackson are piling up on me right now

[Gypyx]

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup, Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

Why would you rather vote for Psyche and not me? You've been saying I'm scum literally the entire game but now you'd rather go for a claimed PR over me? That's scummy af

cause psyche is public scum and while i'm convinced you are it will probably take seeing one of my reads turn out correct for me to gain the tiniest crumb of public credibility

[Gypyx]

youre finding good stuff jackson but i agree with the people who said we should wait till luca and hu tao claim

dont we suspect hu tao more than luca so should make hu tao claim actions before luca? or no

NO KETCHUP

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup,

Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

hu tao is also basically conftown barring any protective CC from luca, in which case i'll reevaluate accordingly but that's not something we should be playing around

sorry im a bit nooby can someone elaborate on why a watcher would not make sense

the watcher targets someone and see who visited them at night

it's main use is catching out scum performing the nightkill

I understand

But wdym by this

basically, let's say Outworld claims neap day 1 cause he got forced to or wanted to get credibility

Jailkeeper protects them, scum still goes through, it's cool, good gameplay interaction as town is punished for their main PR being brought up

Watch watches them, scum gets caught and is punished for town's misplays

not to note that 1-shot watcher is extremely swingy as either it kills a scum or it does litterally nothing, especially with these roles, no TPr wants to target town

[Gypyx]

We are piling on you, but why would that be scummy? You’re acting wolfy

you're throwing me more than i can answer and calling me scummy for not answering

[Gypyx]

Gyp why do you think every role must make an obvious link and anything else means it’s fake? As it’s proven that the opposite can be the case with the inventor game and also that’s just a flawed viewpoint even taking it at face value

we are in a simple normal

aka : enforced minimal WIFOM

plus like, i get wanting to design a not straight fowards setup but when choosing between thomith designing a purposefully misleading role or Psyche simply being scum caught in a somewhat badly executed claim it's extremely dishonest to call me out for choosing the most probably answer by far

[Gypyx]

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup, Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

Why would you rather vote for Psyche and not me? You've been saying I'm scum literally the entire game but now you'd rather go for a claimed PR over me? That's scummy af

cause psyche is public scum and while i'm convinced you are it will probably take seeing one of my reads turn out correct for me to gain the tiniest crumb of public credibility

If you are convinced we are both scum it doesn't make sense for town!you to push the one that could possibly be a town PR

who cares if i'm pushing a potential PR or a potential VT, it's ELo and the scumteam is making their play

[Gypyx]

Apologies again...

If targeting the right person, a watcher will find:

a) scum who kill
b) a jailkeeper trying to roleblock the player
c) a doctor trying to protect the player
d) a vigilante who shot the player

please tell me which apply

well, watchers want to target town the *vast* majority of the time, in that sense they would be most likely to see a doctor / scumkill

unless you're asking which roles they would be able to see in which case it's all of them

[Gypyx]

Also is it not beneficial to wait a day, see what happens, try nail them in 4vs3? or does that work out worse

Outworld just dies and we're in the same shit expect 1 less town voice

[Gypyx]

Gyp why do you think every role must make an obvious link and anything else means it’s fake? As it’s proven that the opposite can be the case with the inventor game and also that’s just a flawed viewpoint even taking it at face value

we are in a simple normal

aka : enforced minimal WIFOM

plus like, i get wanting to design a not straight fowards setup but when choosing between thomith designing a purposefully misleading role or Psyche simply being scum caught in a somewhat badly executed claim it's extremely dishonest to call me out for choosing the most probably answer by far

Having non-linked roles is not wifom. In fact, if all town PRs are very obviously town PRs then what's the point in playing the game?

well right now all town PRs are pretty obvious but you're certainely not making it easy for town

[Gypyx]

you're a sly rascal that's what you are

[Gypyx]

youre finding good stuff jackson but i agree with the people who said we should wait till luca and hu tao claim

dont we suspect hu tao more than luca so should make hu tao claim actions before luca? or no

NO KETCHUP

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can we at least vote out psyche today please, on a purely mechanical basis their claim doesn't fit in with the setup,

Outworld's macho makes it so that they can't be protected by docs so it barely makes any sense for it to be a watcher who can bypass this lack of protection element

hu tao is also basically conftown barring any protective CC from luca, in which case i'll reevaluate accordingly but that's not something we should be playing around

sorry im a bit nooby can someone elaborate on why a watcher would not make sense

the watcher targets someone and see who visited them at night

it's main use is catching out scum performing the nightkill

I understand

But wdym by this

basically, let's say Outworld claims neap day 1 cause he got forced to or wanted to get credibility

Jailkeeper protects them, scum still goes through, it's cool, good gameplay interaction as town is punished for their main PR being brought up

Watch watches them, scum gets caught and is punished for town's misplays

not to note that 1-shot watcher is extremely swingy as either it kills a scum or it does litterally nothing, especially with these roles, no TPr wants to target town

so surely scum is not autocaught in your scenario, as they would see the jailkeeper and scum

That one's a fair point yes, but it remains a guilty on them regardless, and while this case is a bit different from the usual jailkeeper most of the time wants to target scum as they wouldn't wanna accidentally roleblock a town power role

[Gypyx]

i saved my watch for D2

congrats

[Gypyx]

nah no way outworld is lying, he kinda needs to be town to maintain a balance of power, at least with the setup as we currently know it

[Gypyx]

nah no way outworld is lying, he kinda needs to be town to maintain a balance of power, at least with the setup as we currently know it

Wdym by that last bit?

Luca is still unknown

[Gypyx]

we can't no-lim here now that I've claimed because I cannot be healed under any circumstances and nobody gets anything from that NKA, unless Psyche hasn't used his shot/Hu Tao blocks my killer.

i should be more active but I'm currently mulling over which claims could be real or not, and if it's possible that all of them are real or not. My first instinct is that there would be too many confirm-able towns should all claims be real + the vig but also adding more PR's to a setup does weaken my Neapolitan significantly so I'm sort of at an impasse. Both Watcher and JK make sense in a setup with multi-tasking scum and I was speccing a Tracker/Watcher pretty heavily from the start of the game. Watcher could also semi-confirm JK/Neapolitan target if it sees one of our shots so I'm not actually sure if Psyche's claim is fake or not.

also the interaction Ketchup brought up I think does have merit in that town could just lose both Nea and JK in one fell swoop should JK + Watcher target me were I to claim D1, only getting a single scum lim as compromise.

Multitasking scum is mostly a default these days, i'm 99% positive it doesn't mean anything significant about the setup

[Gypyx]

Black thought she was slick trynda take us away from figuring out psyche's claim is bogus (this is exagerrated for the sake of comedy)

[Gypyx]

Mini 2324, multitasking mafia with no active scum PR (a 1-shot jugg)
Mini 2322, multasking but no action investigatives

ok i checked a bit more and there's not really a consistent pattern but i don't think it's something that strongly indicates the existance of an action investigative in any way

[Gypyx]

Gyp why do you think every role must make an obvious link and anything else means it’s fake? As it’s proven that the opposite can be the case with the inventor game and also that’s just a flawed viewpoint even taking it at face value

we are in a simple normal

aka : enforced minimal WIFOM

plus like, i get wanting to design a not straight fowards setup but when choosing between thomith designing a purposefully misleading role or Psyche simply being scum caught in a somewhat badly executed claim it's extremely dishonest to call me out for choosing the most probably answer by far

Having non-linked roles is not wifom. In fact, if all town PRs are very obviously town PRs then what's the point in playing the game?

having non linked roles isn't WIFOM, having direct anti-synergies is

[Gypyx]

OMG THEYRE LITTERALLY SCUM PLEAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE I BEG U TOWN

[Gypyx]

Psyche's teamates are obviously Jackson + black

i'm taking the 1v3

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Psyche

[Gypyx]

And if it's not me/black, where is your head at?

nah this is where my head's at

[Gypyx]

there's basically no additional room

i don't buy luca as scum, ketchup conftown, Hu Tao conftown, outworld conftown

[Gypyx]

TOWN

UNLESS YOU THINK 2 OF JACKSON / BLACK / LUCA ARE MY MATES AND BUSSING ME PLEASE REALIZE THAT THIS IS BOGUS

[Gypyx]

jackson's play this day shows he entered willing to scrap it out with me

[Gypyx]

So you really got no other solve in the off chance you're wrong? I'm not asking you to believe I am town, I'm asking you to consider a world where you're wrong

and i'm telling you there's basically no world

[Gypyx]

i honestly don't even care what else happens this game. months from now i will only remember this high

honestly it's fun i like it, good action

[Gypyx]

I'm just going to keep waiting for luca

holy mother of based

[Gypyx]

I think there's a chance either of these are scum or maybe even both

Mhm, I initially unvoted for this reason but yeah Gypyx is just a furry lad this game. We love to see it

honestly this is fun, fighting in the treches right now

[Gypyx]

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

you're overdoing it now

[Gypyx]

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

Lmfao, I checked your ISO to see if you were consistent at holding back that info and that spongebob image got me ROLLING

^^ this post has been verified as

Not Town Indicative

by real VT fact checkers

[Gypyx]

and while this an argument less based in the game, consider the following :

If i'm indeed scum and you're correct, you still have 2 days of ELo in front of you barring a good jailkeep from Hu Tao

If Psyche is sucm you have his 2 scumbuddies litterally standing right besides him fighting to see this day end in a town lim

[Gypyx]

anyways here's the "Gypyx tries to carry 8P ELo playlist"

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmF8 ... oAxPWKCBjZ

[Gypyx]

anyways here's the "Gypyx tries to carry 8P ELo playlist"

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmF8 ... oAxPWKCBjZ

am currently losing my mind

[Gypyx]

I think there's a chance either of these are scum or

maybe even both

i actually do not think this is a far-fetched theory

the famed double bus

they were both looking like real candidates to get yeeted going into this day

Funny how this really helps a black / jackson / psyche scumteam in case i manage to survive today by some miracle

[Gypyx]

Btw there's basically no point for a town jackson to ask me about who i'd view as scum if it wasn't him, the only reasons he asks that is to catch me slipping, and this is not the intent he was representing in his messages

So you really got no other solve in the off chance you're wrong? I'm not asking you to believe I am town, I'm asking you to consider a world where you're wrong

and i'm telling you there's basically no world

In that case I'm treating this as you trying not to spew after getting red-checked
VOTE: Gypyx

if i give out names, he can just say the same thing and it still makes sense, this is not a townie pushing scum this is someone laying a trap

[Gypyx]

notice Psyche's total lack of interest in intereacting with me when he gets a so called "guilty" on mafiascum user Gypyx

[Gypyx]

It's hilarious watching you go fully static once the red-check was claimed on u

Well, i see a red check called on me i say we're off to the races right? either i call out all 3 of you or i die

[Gypyx]

I really loved playing with you gypyx, even if you were unnaturally furry

fight or be forgotten

[Gypyx]

Btw there's basically no point for a town jackson to ask me about who i'd view as scum if it wasn't him, the only reasons he asks that is to catch me slipping, and this is not the intent he was representing in his messages

Uh, yes there was. I wanted to see if you had genuine thought processes I could realistically follow because I instantly removed my vote knowing Psyche could be abusing the pride I hold in my reads. It was my last ditch effort to correct myself if I was wrong

And so your conclusion is that since i hold confidence in my reads and my PoE i must be scum

let's be real there wasn't any answer that was gonna make me town here

[Gypyx]

You will never be forgotten, you are

my

sly rascal <3

you're the Slyest of all the rascals there are

[Gypyx]

Imagine luca comes in and claims cop with a guilty on Ketchup

how funny would that be

[Gypyx]

they're basically already celebrating right in front of our noses i'm going CRAAAAAZY

[Gypyx]

they're basically already celebrating right in front of our noses i'm going CRAAAAAZY

no like really

sure i'm caught scum

there's 2 left

where's the anxiety? where's the foresight?

it's almost as if the game ends when i get executed

[Gypyx]

like FFS

unless jackson PRECISELY belives the scumteam is [Hu Tao + Me + Luca] black or psyche needs to be scum for things to make sense, yet not a single worry in that

[Gypyx]

wow she's right i'm celebrating. gypyx sure got me

grr I'm so serious, good riddance one wolf is down now to be all stoic and serious and find the others grrr

your quips mean nothing for deep down i know you're all trembling in fear in your scum PT

[Gypyx]

You've snuck in multiple assumptions in that statement to make it seem tighter than it really is, don't do that

do you belive assuming the claimed neap and his results is going too far?

[Gypyx]

are town*

[Gypyx]

just like

look at Jackson's ISO today and compare that to his ISO from D2

this is plainly a wolf going in for the kill and if it's not obvious from the outside then i don't know what to say

[Gypyx]

kinda running out of fuel for tonight but it seems like town isn't gonna go straight to it's death so i'll relax a bit

[Gypyx]

top text

[Gypyx]

You've snuck in multiple assumptions in that statement to make it seem tighter than it really is, don't do that

do you belive assuming the claimed neap and his results is going too far?

I'm not a fool that thinks I have to have the entire game solved at once

sure is convinient that you're thinking only up to where you need things to bring you

i'm not asking you to see the whole team scumclaiming in order to close the finish line, but me being the sole focus of today is certainely weird

[Gypyx]

If Psyche had planned to claim a red-check on you all along, don't you think I would hold off and wait for him to spring that trap? Instead of pairing myself so strongly to him as you claim I am doing. For a sly rascal that's quite the opposite of sly

1. Your awareness of this point makes it blank, as it means you were able to play around it in the way that you wish

2. So you're saying you calmly waiting for for Psyche to claim his guilty then activating like a sleeper agent is less partner indicative than simply doing your thing which conincidentally matches up together in pushing me?

3. Acting as if being sneaky was mandatory at this point in the game

4. Odds are i probably would've converged on you eventually after everything gets resolved, best win it here and now when things are messy and more townies are alive for them to mess up and vote me

[Gypyx]

Have I not been scum-reading you all game?

You also never really bothered to do anything with that scumread other than periodically reminding the thread you have it so it's weird for you to start acting all of a sudden

yes, i know it's ELo, now or never, not arguing there's no town reasons for you to do that, just that there's plenty of scum ones too like keeping an exeable townie for ELo

[Gypyx]

i'm really sorry for everyone who's gonna have to sift through today's 300 posts to figure out what's going on

[Gypyx]

I see no point in doing this back and forth if you're so locked on me being wolf, I don't see myself changing my vote and well you're not really open to discuss for the event you could be wrong so there's no real possible dialogue here so I'm gonna do what's best for the both of us and just leave this here.

oh yeah i'm absolutely not arguing to convince you but rather to convince the town, as you should be doing too if you think i'm scum, sounds like your actions aren't really matching your thoughts, wonder why

so sad that you've gotten afraid of scumspewing, maybe you're not a sly rascal after all

[Gypyx]

Have I not been scum-reading you all game?

You also never really bothered to do anything with that scumread other than periodically reminding the thread you have it so it's weird for you to start acting all of a sudden

This describes your scumread on me perfectly so why are you acting like it's not ok when Jackson does it

i honestly tried to push things but i'm not a casing person and everyone was completely glossing over you for reasons that i'll never understeand so i just left it at that

was hoping to obfuscate how hard my suspicions were to the scumteam

[Gypyx]

Also Gypyx why are you spending so much energy on Jackson when Psyche should be confscum from your pov

y'all are confscum

[Gypyx]

glad to see jackson called in backup, this was getting stale

[Gypyx]

hey jackson how about you treat me as confscum and try to figure out who's my partner

[Gypyx]

ergh i find gypx so impressive that scrolling through her iso for relational reads just begets paranoia. can't really recall what i'm looking for. someone she's inexplicably cool on? someone she makes a big deal of hating w/o much followup or basis? need a better framework. i wonder what titus was expecting us to do with the votecounts by this point

i'm in my special interest era

[Gypyx]

no worries, take as much time as you need to craft the perfect accusation

[Gypyx]

Also Gypyx why are you spending so much energy on Jackson when Psyche should be confscum from your pov

a good point

no it's a bad point

jackson was also the only person talking in thread so it's like asking the guy who bought 200 oranges in a math problem why he eats so many oranges

[Gypyx]

I’m gonna miss u Gypyx, the games not gonna be the same :C

well yeah duh, it'll be over

[Gypyx]

you get what it's supposed to mean anyways

[Gypyx]

I’m going to go read up on all the normal roles again quickly, to try to gage which type of mafia teams would send out Gypyx for their kill, if Psyche is telling the truth

not sure you'll find much of interest but sure go off

make sure to only look at the simple roles

[Gypyx]

I’m going to go read up on all the normal roles again quickly, to try to gage which type of mafia teams would send out Gypyx for their kill, if Psyche is telling the truth

not sure you'll find much of interest but sure go off

make sure to only look at the simple roles

Yaaa thanks.

At least for me you were kind of middleground, so I’m trying to work out whether a mafia are more likely to send a suspect person out for the kill (not a big loss if they are watched) or non-suspect(if tracker tracks someone specific as I think it does and unlikely to track this person)

Generally scumteams like to send more sneaky members in for the kill unless they have a reason to think there's a watcher cause way more role that interfere with the scumkill need to target the scum performing the kill rather that watcher which is the only role of it's kinda (at least in simples)

roleblocker / Jailkeeper / Tracker

[Gypyx]

actually maybe i don't need to sleep and i can just spend the whole night here

[Gypyx]

i need someone to keep me entertained though

[Gypyx]

brb gonna watch a family guy compilation

[Gypyx]

I’m going to go read up on all the normal roles again quickly, to try to gage which type of mafia teams would send out Gypyx for their kill, if Psyche is telling the truth

not sure you'll find much of interest but sure go off

make sure to only look at the simple roles

Yaaa thanks.

At least for me you were kind of middleground, so I’m trying to work out whether a mafia are more likely to send a suspect person out for the kill (not a big loss if they are watched) or non-suspect(if tracker tracks someone specific as I think it does and unlikely to track this person)

Generally scumteams like to send more sneaky members in for the kill unless they have a reason to think there's a watcher cause way more role that interfere with the scumkill need to target the scum performing the kill rather that watcher which is the only role of it's kinda (at least in simples)

roleblocker / Jailkeeper / Tracker

Hmm yeah that makes sense

So if psyche is telling the truth, your teammates are probably more suspicious than you. UNLESS one of you is a mafia rolecop (I think that’s possible) and chose to investigate quiet lil psychey, found out there was a watcher and sent out your most sus person. But that might be a bit of a stretch

i mean like, i dunno about you but if i found out psych was a watcher i would maybe not target the *claimed PR* especially since drew claiming strongly implies he didn't have more shots to do

The only other role that would really require me specifically to perform the kill is if i was a juggernaut but this sounds very much overkill with only an odd-night JKer and the main investigative already being macho

[Gypyx]

So if psyche is telling the truth, your teammates are probably more suspicious than you. UNLESS one of you is a mafia rolecop (I think that’s possible) and chose to investigate quiet lil psychey, found out there was a watcher and sent out your most sus person. But that might be a bit of a stretch

Or Gyp is the weakest scum PR, or the best non-PR role they have. It's a lot of ifs and buts that generally early on this type of analysis isn't really effective

reminder that scum is multitasking, these questions are way less prominent than jackson makes it seem

[Gypyx]

reminder that scum is multitasking, these questions are way less prominent than jackson makes it seem

And yet trackers catching multiple visits is generally still a caught scum

tracker catching scum acting is straight up rough for scum though, no matter how you put it

you become forced to claim something that you're maybe not a huge fan of, while a role that would make sense with your action maybe doesn't with the setup

and, even assuming psyche is actually town, this setup doesn't nearly have enough town power to warrant the whole scumteam being powered up

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, it's on you to scum-case Psyche. Given the gamestate, you're going out nmw so that's on you to change it if you're town

certainely not doing it now at least my brain is on live-posting mode

besides it's certainely not the only way to play things out, idk why you're giving me this advice especially since you've already reevaluated me

also i trust that i'm townspewing hard enough right now, i will not bow down to the scumcasing high society

[Gypyx]

wait no I messed this up before, bulletproof isn’t simple right?

it is but you can't have a bulletproof cop since each player can only have 1 role at the same time

[Gypyx]

I didn't know that multitasking was a thing though so I'll take that one back mostly

big claim

time for unfun iso check

I have a gut feeling that Gypyx/Titus aren't partnered based on some Gypyx/project interactions. I'm coming around to Gypyx being the townier of the two slots as of late. Titus just kinda replaced a do-nothing slot and has continued to do nothing. Her entrance and instant vote on me gives me pause but I'll have to wait a bit to explain why

I'm not sure how I feel about the interactions between the two although, just woke up so gotta catch up on the remainder of D2 so maybe that'll give me more. The one reason I'm voting Gypyx over Titus right now would be because Gypyx tried taking control during the end of the day by giving over the top sounding pressure/threats AND project was talking about

multitasking

being a possible way for scum to get two kills (going off memory) which feels a little weird to say but those types of things do get faked so I'm not holding Gypyx to a HUGE degree over Titus

oh what's this? must've fell out of my pocket

[Gypyx]

not much but at least think the "hu tao is very much obvtown right now" line from gypyx in 1663 is sincere
it's also provided w/o a lot of basis, which strengthens this read
have to assume the basis is intended to be in the claim -- with logic that first in a massclaim is an uncomfortable spot to lie about having a PR as extravagant as jailkeeper
in general gypyx seems to take most of the other claims at face value
eg the macho neap claim is taken at face value and used to reason about the validity of my claim (1694/1695) even though gypyx has never expressed a strong tr for ower
both these reads have a similar flavor

Why are you even trying to read me

[Gypyx]

I didn't know that multitasking was a thing though so I'll take that one back mostly

big claim

time for unfun iso check

I have a gut feeling that Gypyx/Titus aren't partnered based on some Gypyx/project interactions. I'm coming around to Gypyx being the townier of the two slots as of late. Titus just kinda replaced a do-nothing slot and has continued to do nothing. Her entrance and instant vote on me gives me pause but I'll have to wait a bit to explain why

I'm not sure how I feel about the interactions between the two although, just woke up so gotta catch up on the remainder of D2 so maybe that'll give me more. The one reason I'm voting Gypyx over Titus right now would be because Gypyx tried taking control during the end of the day by giving over the top sounding pressure/threats AND project was talking about

multitasking

being a possible way for scum to get two kills (going off memory) which feels a little weird to say but those types of things do get faked so I'm not holding Gypyx to a HUGE degree over Titus

oh what's this? must've fell out of my pocket

Lmfao, did your muscles hurt when you stretched down that far?

pressing ctrl+f multitasking is hard work, respect it

it is a stretch yes but while you don't directly acknowledge multitasking in your post it's not made in a vaccum, either you showed no curiosity towards the existance of a mechanic you didn't know or simply don't wanna admit you did read about it

Two kills? Is this to do with the multi-tasking thing?

[Gypyx]

hey ketchup do you think maybe jacksonvirgo is the schlooorp, no one cares what the schloorp is just that i'm talking about it

[Gypyx]

not much but at least think the "hu tao is very much obvtown right now" line from gypyx in 1663 is sincere
it's also provided w/o a lot of basis, which strengthens this read
have to assume the basis is intended to be in the claim -- with logic that first in a massclaim is an uncomfortable spot to lie about having a PR as extravagant as jailkeeper
in general gypyx seems to take most of the other claims at face value
eg the macho neap claim is taken at face value and used to reason about the validity of my claim (1694/1695) even though gypyx has never expressed a strong tr for ower
both these reads have a similar flavor

Why are you even trying to read me

i'm actually trying to read your reads!

Well i'm curious where this goes since even you don't really seem to know what you're looking for

[Gypyx]

Why are you solving me anyway ketchup?
Psyche/Gypyx are in the 1v1

ooo someone's nervous?

if we manage to solve you as scum with more reliability than my 1v1 you can trust i'm voting your ass

[Gypyx]

I have no need to be nervous, I’m seeing a weird perspective and I’m asking further questions

would town!you really be uncomfortable with being scrutinized ? the more scum / town we find the better things are and yet you seem opposed to anyone solving between me and psyche

[Gypyx]

oooo can't wait, you're not finding a lot for now it seems ;(

wonder how long that's gonna take you

[Gypyx]

well if i was scum it would be kinda hard for them to hammer

so really it's one in me / psyche / jackson which we already know since there's one in me / psyche

[Gypyx]

well if i was scum it would be kinda hard for them to hammer

so really it's one in me / psyche / jackson which we already know since there's one in me / psyche

I don't understand your first point.

It could be two of those as well

your point is "scum would've hammered by now" right? well, that's under the assumptation that i'm town getting wagoned, and while i appreciate the flattery, it's only an assumption

yes it could be two, what i mean more is like, it's at least one of us 3 and as such doesn't give much info

pedit : bruh

[Gypyx]

So you really got no other solve in the off chance you're wrong? I'm not asking you to believe I am town, I'm asking you to consider a world where you're wrong

and i'm telling you there's basically no world

In that case I'm treating this as you trying not to spew after getting red-checked
VOTE: Gypyx

this vote feels super risky for a townie, even one confident in their reads, to put someone to E-3 before Luca has even claimed

Big part of why i'm saying jackson is pretty much openwolfing right now, he's throwing all caution to the wind just to nail my coffin as hard as he can

[Gypyx]

But now guys riddle me this

We know by 1993's logic that there is at least one scum in Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx.
I think it is unlikely, although it is possible, that all 3 are scum.

So
If 1<=scum in Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx<=2

and

Me, Hu Tao, OutWorld, Luca very likely town

that only leaves Black for number 3

In addition, if me, Hu Tao, OutWorld and Luca are all town, that means it must be black and 2 of Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx, probably Psyche+Jackson (but not definitely)

oh wow that's crazy, yet another person who's been gunning for me

[Gypyx]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao,

Jacob24

, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy,

Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

By the way just saying it's pretty cool how Black / Jackson / Psyche fits with the majority of the scumteam being offwagon

once again a big reason for that was the deltawave nightkill, it was very risky since obviously it was gonna be the main place to look at by far

and, an easy answer for scum to reply by is simply being apathetic to the wagon taking place in front of their eyes, jacob was basically afk, psyche was actually afk, and black, funnily enough, basically stayed silent until dann died and that's when she decided to chime in

curious

[Gypyx]

But now guys riddle me this

We know by 1993's logic that there is at least one scum in Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx.
I think it is unlikely, although it is possible, that all 3 are scum.

So
If 1<=scum in Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx<=2

and

Me, Hu Tao, OutWorld, Luca very likely town

that only leaves Black for number 3

In addition, if me, Hu Tao, OutWorld and Luca are all town, that means it must be black and 2 of Psyche/Jackson/Gypyx, probably Psyche+Jackson (but not definitely)

Why am I in the pool with the red checks

cause of wagons state

[Gypyx]

I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

jackson you better not start saying stupid shit

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

That's not what I asked

something stupid would be accusing hu tao

ooh ooh i got one
for those pondering between me and gypx imo this is her scummiest stuff
with the later context in 1772, 1629 reads as performative (how would have declaring a hu tao scumread been so damaging to merit this warning?).
it also assumes jackson is town on two levels.
first, it takes as a given that jackson has sincere reads and is working to prosecute them.
second, it's the opposite of an attempt to sort: it attempts to pre-empt jackson from doing the "stupid" thing that might have made it easier to read them.
follow-up posts cast this as a kneejerk reaction from someone afraid that jackson would derail the day with their reads
if that were the case, i'd expect the townread to be quite strong and confident -- felt deep where her emotions are -- but it's abandoned and switched the the opposite almost immediately afterward when jackson scumreads her
this trajectory is not believable. so believe my claim

I came into today TR'ing jackson

declaring a hu tao scumread would've been stupid as her claim is really good, and i had a vibe that jackson had extremely weird ideas

and quickly jackson was being so obvious that it just clicked and i realized the scumteam was Black / Psyche / Jackson

the turning point would've been his vote on me, completely unprompted behaviour, he also kept trying to force things along, i wonder why

your point basically boils down to "Gypyx stopped TR'ing a slot when the player openly scumclaimed to her WTF?"

this reeks of scum scraping anything they can find to get a push going

[Gypyx]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao,

Jacob24

, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy,

Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

None

By the way just saying it's pretty cool how Black / Jackson / Psyche fits with the majority of the scumteam being offwagon

once again a big reason for that was the deltawave nightkill, it was very risky since obviously it was gonna be the main place to look at by far

and, an easy answer for scum to reply by is simply being apathetic to the wagon taking place in front of their eyes, jacob was basically afk, psyche was actually afk, and black, funnily enough, basically stayed silent until dann died and that's when she decided to chime in

curious

woah so is this what vca is
would you all say that in general scum try to stay off mislim wagons? is that like the central assumption you use for doing this?

when there's a single wagon that's basically pushing itself to it's death on town yeah i belive scum is enclined to stay off, claiming otherwise is just not knowing how scum minds work

[Gypyx]

Unprompted?? Lmfao what?

not saying there's no SR behind it, it's just absolutely insane behaviour for ELo and shows your priorities lie more at getting a kill than at getting a correct kill

[Gypyx]

No, it shows how I play

there's a more realistic assumption between "Jackson virgo is unreasonably risky during 8p ELo cause that's his playstyle" and "Jacksonvirgo is scum trying to close things out" and it's not the one that favors you

like shit i don't know about everyone else but if i didn't have the whole scumteam charging at me with neon signs i'd probably be a bit lost (although maybe not, this PoE is very tight)

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, say Black turned out to be cleared by a Cop right now, or me ig. Where would you look for after the initial state of "what the fuck"

i'd say we have more chances of an insane cop being allowed in normals than Luca being scum

why are you so obsessed on that anyways

[Gypyx]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

i mean, you still have my 2 scumbuddies to catch ! maybe that's somewhere you can gain more towncred? it really seems like you want me dead and only me

[Gypyx]

think i'm gonna need more tea

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, say Black turned out to be cleared by a Cop right now, or me ig. Where would you look for after the initial state of "what the fuck"

i'd say we have more chances of an insane cop being allowed in normals than Luca being scum

why are you so obsessed on that anyways

I haven't 100% ruled out Luca, but I agree I think it's super unlikely

idk it would just seems crazy to me if luca were scum considering how much Black / Jackson / Psyche have acted as a unit today

[Gypyx]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

i mean, you still have my 2 scumbuddies to catch ! maybe that's somewhere you can gain more towncred? it really seems like you want me dead and only me

I mean, he does in theory know that you're scum lol

well he's not doing such a great job at showing that conviction, apart from the gloating about his watcher result which i attribute more to him expecting an easy misexe on me

notice that he's way more reserved with me actively fighting back

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, say Black turned out to be cleared by a Cop right now, or me ig. Where would you look for after the initial state of "what the fuck"

i'd say we have more chances of an insane cop being allowed in normals than Luca being scum

why are you so obsessed on that anyways

I haven't 100% ruled out Luca, but I agree I think it's super unlikely

idk it would just seems crazy to me if luca were scum considering how much Black / Jackson / Psyche have acted as a unit today

I think there is potential for Luca/Black to be interchangeable. Forget not that Luca's timezone forbade him from helping team up on you

Yes i get that but that doesn't change the fact that black is extremely scummy on her own

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, say Black turned out to be cleared by a Cop right now, or me ig. Where would you look for after the initial state of "what the fuck"

i'd say we have more chances of an insane cop being allowed in normals than Luca being scum

why are you so obsessed on that anyways

Okay, and when are you going to answer the question?

wouldn't it be fucked up if fish had feet ? How would that work

[Gypyx]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

i mean, you still have my 2 scumbuddies to catch ! maybe that's somewhere you can gain more towncred? it really seems like you want me dead and only me

I mean, he does in theory know that you're scum lol

well he's not doing such a great job at showing that conviction, apart from the gloating about his watcher result which i attribute more to him expecting an easy misexe on me

notice that he's way more reserved with me actively fighting back

true true
he's been fairly reserved throughout tbh

although it's less agressive than i tend to be, so ofc it looks tame by comparaison, you gotta admit that like, he was pretty confident this game was wrapped up with this single watcher result

just beautiful. just a magic wonder. the aurora borealis? at this time of year? on this day? localized entirely within this thread?

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

tbh now that i'm writing it i can kinda see scum!psyche wanting to appear proud but not necessarily having the earnestness before actual good mechanical play

[Gypyx]

Also If Hu Tao jails a night killer trying to kill her, who wins?

Hu Wins.

Fatality

[Gypyx]

tbh now that i'm writing it i can kinda see scum!psyche wanting to appear proud but not necessarily having the earnestness before actual good mechanical play

Alternatively: Psyche was just proud

well he should've wrote a proud message then, not whatever this is

[Gypyx]

is very likely that my watcher result will be my peak this game. is too bad but i can't magically become good at mafia

You can though, you just gotta sheep the player called "JacksonVirgo"

Sly Rascal posts worst S/S interaction of 2024

asked to leave mafiascum

[Gypyx]

If I were to leave, everybody would be sad

like, temporarily, as a spiritual journey

[Gypyx]

yes i am scraping anything i can find to get this push going! it's genuinely fascinating that you can cast this as scummy

i mean, you still have my 2 scumbuddies to catch ! maybe that's somewhere you can gain more towncred? it really seems like you want me dead and only me

also, again really cool that you can take something like me trying to lim my soft guilty (and also not get limmed myself) and cast it as a super scummy thing that is very smart to point out. feels like i am in a master class

well yes

town!psyche would try to lim his guilty so that's what i'm gonna do

you're completely tunneled visioned on a slot you find nothing to talk about, town would either be distraught about them struggling to come up with arguments or try to look elsewhere, both things that obviously you can't do rn as 1. it's normal for scum psyche to fail to accuse people, he doesn't have the genuineness and 2. the scumteam's plan is to kill me today, you can't simply vote elsewhere

[Gypyx]

i deliberately muted the emotion in my posts before my result claim to max out the integrity of the massclaim process.
there was a chance that someone besides gypx would claim a drew action that my result could contradict.

convinient that this helps scum!you accidentally get CC'd but i digress

[Gypyx]

careful Hu Tao, jackson is pocketing you with anime characters

[Gypyx]

Ain't no way we're gonna lose after I pro gamer'd gypyx from day dot

heck yeah you're losing this game

[Gypyx]

anyways it's 2 in the morning

spent 4 hours talking to you nerds

but i have to go (my planet needs me)

[Gypyx]

ketchy, when u gonna read my catchup

soooon but new messages keep mysteriously appearing at the thread

pedit: 2 new messages
pedit pedit: 3

made you look

[Gypyx]

I must not reply, replying is the mind killer, Replying is the little death that bring a complete all nighter, i must permit my reply to pass through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the reply has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

[Gypyx]

Ketchup who do you think is scum here

Not me, you, OutWorld (I've done a 180 I guess)

One or two of Jackson/Psyche/Gypyx

One or two of Luca/Black

Leaning towards Gypyx town atm

I'm leaning the other way.

bzzt wrong

i mean, if you don't TR me individually that's fine but consider the following :

right now, assuming you are town for the sake of time, there is 1 town in me / jackson / psyche / black

psyche and me are in a 1v1 so i get that it's maybe a bit hard to sort it out, but just look at how jackson / black have approached this ELo

zero hesitation, all in on me, just look at how hard i had to push them to get them to say a single word about someone other than me (and also without my intervention this died down immediatly)

they are NOT interested in solving this game, i would maybe understeand if i was obvscum but that's not what's going on

notice how jackson tried to rush my kill too, he knows the longer this goes on the more chances i have to townspew in some way

[Gypyx]

this game is very different from wilson but it feels like it's ending the same way. i just don't have the rizz to get my pov over the finish line.

We shouldn't need your rizz, surely Town won't self destruct given they have time to think properly

this is very much AtE, it is also extremely weird for jackson to say that town will always manage to solve things correctly with time because during massclaim his intentions certainely weren't to let town take it's time with things

[Gypyx]

Why are you solving me anyway ketchup?
Psyche/Gypyx are in the 1v1

ooo someone's nervous?

if we manage to solve you as scum with more reliability than my 1v1 you can trust i'm voting your ass

This type of stuff makes me think Gypyx is just scum. There should be nothing more reliable than Psych!scum from a town!her perspective. She seems to be trying to get out of the 1v1 which is just mind boggling to me

Nah actually you wouldn't belive it but once again but when i see the whole scumteam charging straight at me i'm not picky about my fight, i'm 100% confident and psyche and 99.99 on you / jackson, which, for the sake of brivety i'm gonna make 100% in my mind

and by reliable i meant from an outside POV, very much aware that me and psyche can be a bit up in the air for any outside observer but how you two are interacting with this wagon are very telling

[Gypyx]

Why are you solving me anyway ketchup?
Psyche/Gypyx are in the 1v1

ooo someone's nervous?

if we manage to solve you as scum with more reliability than my 1v1 you can trust i'm voting your ass

This type of stuff makes me think Gypyx is just scum. There should be nothing more reliable than Psych!scum from a town!her perspective. She seems to be trying to get out of the 1v1 which is just mind boggling to me

Yeah which is why I believe town should reliably get out of town-reading them cuz it's super silly. They've been acting opportunistic all game which I'm hoping Ketchup sees given they read my catchup, the fact they were trying to set up mislims on the PRs as they claimed by unfairly labelling them as "too many" when in all honestly there isn't much PR power at all. They've been incredibly fallacious in their arguments against me in particular and I'm sure with other people as well, I recall three seperate times they tried throwing strawman arguments at me and discrediting me outright such as the "don't do a stupid thing" scenario when I hadn't said a single word, they've been having a faulty perspective by focusing on me instead of the person actually in the 1v1 with them as well as general manipulative behaviour. They've been trying to pocket me through praise since I came in, they also scum-read/twisted on me every single time I expressed my SR on them which is textbook OMGUS.

the only PR i've been going for is psyche, i have STRONGLY left every other PR out of the suspicious pool

and i'm throwing strawmans arguments cause my goal isn't to sort you, just need to show the thread the scum that you are, at this point i don't really care what arguments i use, anything to win this game

and look, i also don't get your obsession with the "don't do a stupid thing" but as i've said before i had extremely strong vibes that your head was in the wrong place today, i just thought this meant you were a misled town rather than simply scum who is trying to kill one last townie

it's not omgus when you know for sure that the person in front of you is scum and claiming otherwise is both dishonest and an argument that i don't think town!jackson would do in any circumstances

[Gypyx]

Also I massively dislike how Gypyx is not even humouring a world where they aren't 100% correct. This is very obviously because they thought they were going to be going out at this point, which they still are going to be I will stake my entire life on this moment, and thus they had to stick to a single read and not budge as to not reveal who their partners are but still gotta try. Anybody with any degree of confidence can humour "If I am wrong, it's probably X instead" even if you have no current belief that you're wrong. It's for a reason, and that reason is to avoid spewing their partners for when they go down.

We don't need this hocus pocus, they're a wolf. Let's not lose today by being stupid.

Thank you

This message has been brought to you by the "oh this is gonna look really dumb if I am wrong" company of Australia

You can't be seriously saying i think i'm going out today and just playing to let my 2 scumbuddies win when i've been fighting tooth and nail to bring this one back and this is probably the highest i've efforted in all of my games

once again

i've basically seen all 3 of jackson / psyche / black scumclaim in order to try to get me killed, this is not town behaviour in any world and portraying it as me being in anti-spew with how hard i'm fighting is just ridiculously wrong and jackson once again knows it

jackson is also completely disregarding the fact that PoE is very tight right now, there isn't any other reasonable scumread to make cause everyone else is town

[Gypyx]

i'm the only one that treats this as the 1 town in 4 deal that this really is

also for how much jackson wants me to entertain alternative scumteams he's certainely not doing it himself otherwise he would realize that there's JUST NO ROOM

[Gypyx]

i mean, he probably knows it, he just doesn't want to say it out loud cause closing off the lim pool is bad for his game

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

i just think it would be *really* hype if we managed to reverse sweep our way to a win

[Gypyx]

also for how much jackson wants me to entertain alternative scumteams he's certainely not doing it himself otherwise he would realize that there's JUST NO ROOM

Yeah, so the difference is that I'm not pretending that I know the entire solve like you are pretending to. There is room, I'm not just randomly assuming people are conftown like you are. The PoE is small, sure but to say there's no room is stupid. You already know that I am thinking there's a wolf in black/psyche, stop trying to strawman me I am actually starting to get sick of it

if that was really unpleasent for you we can talk about it post game but for now i just know that you're wolf and am trying to show that to the other players, you can call the resulting confbias strawmanning if you want but i'm not really buying it

[Gypyx]

jackson is also completely disregarding the fact that PoE is very tight right now, there isn't any other reasonable scumread to make cause everyone else is town

No, I am not. You are just trying to throw it down my throat

so, ok, who's not town then outside of that, Out"50% of the town's power"Worlder? Hu Tao who's the only protective with a macho town role? perhaps outworld lied about his checks and ketchup isn't a VT, or hey idk, maybe obvtown luca is actually scum? i don't know you tell

idk how you're ever comfortable assuming that psyche is town cause "yeah i would never have beaten scum!psyche" but any of these are too far fetched

i mean, i do know, you're just afraid of being boxed in but that's my 2 cents and i think that's what you call strawmanning, just saying it makes the most sense with scum motives

[Gypyx]

It is strawmanning me, you're continuously setting up a false image of what I am doing and then attacking that instead of me. I have clearly been trying to sort people outside of you most notably seen when I was talking about analysing the actions you're currently doing and seeing that my town-reads have a scum in it (Black/Psyche) because of it. You're also saying that there's no room when I'm doing so when that's just throwing

your own

reads and assumptions down my throat and pretending like that should also be something I should be doing.

Like cool, you town-read people and you think their claims make them conf-town. I don't, and yet you're pretending like I should just because you say they are. That isn't how the game works, the global information based PoE is not as tight as you claim it is. I do not care if you consider me a wolf, but do so without being maliciously fallacious because that's the one thing that gets under my skin.

I have never said a single thing that i don't belive in, look, if you're really that upset, i'd be cool with us leaving each other be for the remainder of today, that pains me as i belive you're just being manipulative but that's not something i wanna test

You can't just act with an obvious scum mindset and when i point it out get angry because i'm representing you as scum, no i'm sorry you aren't playing super sneakily this time

just, and i'm not gonna reply after that out of respect, tell me how you're not comfortable with ANY of the assumptions i've made but you're cool with saying that you would lose to scum psyche regardless so that justifies your tunnel on me

As I said, I'm at a point where if Psyche is a wolf, there was no way I was going to win this game regardless

[Gypyx]

i'm done with you for today

[Gypyx]

you want me to keep strawmanning you or do we just call it quits what's the idea here

[Gypyx]

i'm done with you for today

Typical, I start to actually pull apart what you're doing and then you can't reply

HOLY SHIT DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO INTERACT WITH ME OR NOT

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S PUTTING ME IN THESE LOSE LOSE SITUATIONS, IF I KEEP INTERACTING WITH YOU YOU JUST COMPLAIN THAT I'M SCUM TRYING TO DISCREDIT YOU AND IT MEANS NOTHING, AND BOOM WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT

THIS IS NOT STRAWMANNING THIS IS STRAIGHT UP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU AREN'T AWARE OF IT

[Gypyx]

no like really if you were just doing that so that i feel bad about maybe going too far in my push and that in return you get something to counterpush me on that's really a low blow, i'm taking mental issues seriously jackson, and accusing me of creating a toxic environnement just to gain game advantage is really not cool

[Gypyx]

I'd rather you just respond back to me in a way that isn't maliciously fallacious

i'm sorry but you've established that figuring out a scum mindset for your action is maliciously fallacious as you're saying so there's just nothing i can do without you being pissed

i'm waiting for the actual townies to show up, if they insist that i answer to you then sure but otherwise i'm not moving an inch

[Gypyx]

i hope you understeand that i'm finding it really hard to conceive i'm doing fallacious arguments when i'm town and just saying what's on my mind

[Gypyx]

I'd rather you just respond back to me in a way that isn't maliciously fallacious

i'm sorry but you've established that figuring out a scum mindset for your action is maliciously fallacious as you're saying so there's just nothing i can do without you being pissed

i'm waiting for the actual townies to show up, if they insist that i answer to you then sure but otherwise i'm not moving an inch

No, I'm saying strawmanning me is fallacious. I directly said why I consider what you're doing as strawmanning me and gave an example and you're just throwing that away and pretending like I never explained myself?

well i don't get it ok? can't wrap my head around it, so i'm not gonna

[Gypyx]

will be really tough and maybe irresponsible for me to keep up yesterday's energy for the rest of this weekend. sorry if it means i'm crowded out

did you think yesterday was a high energy day for you?

[Gypyx]

well i don't get it ok? can't wrap my head around it, so i'm not gonna

What don't you get? I'll write one of my points in simple terms. You're making assumptions, throwing them down my throat and then calling me scum because of those assumptions. Those assumptions being that the PoE is tight because of

your

reads. Your reads are subjective, they aren't mechanical information and yet you're treating them as if they are at the same weight that mechanical information would have.

the only point where my reads come into consideration in me building this PoE is me taking out luca blight out of the equation, which, idk, sorry if that's too spicy a take for you

i can't belive you're saying that the nrg approves a setup that looks like this

1-shot Watcher
Odd-night Vig
Odd-night JKer

[Gypyx]

maybe as an OPEN and vs a full goon team this would be balanced

as an *OPEN*

[Gypyx]

i think we should all wait for the town to come and solve this tbh

[Gypyx]

at least that's what i'm doing

[Gypyx]

You can't say I didn't try discussing with you Gypyx, you refusing is not on me

i got what i wanted, don't think there's any benefit for me to keep this circus going

[Gypyx]

*in the middle of being stabbed to death by 3 mafias*

jacksonvirgo : excuse me how are you so confident on this solve and no other, you sound a bit fallacious

[Gypyx]

like, everyone else, i want you to understeand the following

i am probably playing the hardest i've ever played forum mafia yet

of course, this could come from scum!me, but you gotta admit that the situation of

>you're in ELo

> you're the main person being pushed

> you see all 3 scum members gunning for you

is way more engaging as town than whatever weird bus stuff is going on here in the event that i am scum

[Gypyx]

Gypyx: I see no benefit on keeping this circus going
Also Gypyx: Keeps this circus going

i just can't get away

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

I think there's a big tonal difference in the way Psyche and Gypyx are handling the 1v1

Psyche is acting like he has caught scum. He's going through Gypyx's iso looking for partners and trying to digest her reads

Gypyx for some reason isn't all that interested in Psyche and seems more concerned with proving that Jackson is scum. She even threatened to vote for Jackson over Psyche if the argument was compelling enough. That's just not a statement I think comes from town that supposedly knows Psyche is confscum

Why are you solving me anyway ketchup?
Psyche/Gypyx are in the 1v1

ooo someone's nervous?

if we manage to solve you as scum with more reliability than my 1v1 you can trust i'm voting your ass

This type of stuff makes me think Gypyx is just scum. There should be nothing more reliable than Psych!scum from a town!her perspective. She seems to be trying to get out of the 1v1 which is just mind boggling to me

Nah actually you wouldn't belive it but once again but when i see the whole scumteam charging straight at me i'm not picky about my fight, i'm 100% confident and psyche and 99.99 on you / jackson, which, for the sake of brivety i'm gonna make 100% in my mind

and by reliable i meant from an outside POV, very much aware that me and psyche can be a bit up in the air for any outside observer but how you two are interacting with this wagon are very telling

i'll take shit i've already answered for 1000 please

what the fuck do i need to care about psyche's he's claimed scum and not talking, and i have the whole scumteam, there's nothing for me to interact with you do realize? it's of zero interest

[Gypyx]

Psyche's silence speaks a lot for him being the weakest link in the scumteam and trying to let jackson / black push him over to victory

[Gypyx]

like, everyone else, i want you to understeand the following

i am probably playing the hardest i've ever played forum mafia yet

of course, this could come from scum!me, but you gotta admit that the situation of

>you're in ELo

> you're the main person being pushed

> you see all 3 scum members gunning for you

is way more engaging as town than whatever weird bus stuff is going on here in the event that i am scum

I want you to understand my position

> you're in ELO

> Your scum-read is pushing you based on logic you're seeing as invalid

> You call out the discrepencies

> They continuously attempt to shut the conversation down

> distress.jpg

like, yeah, what's the point? i'm not playing to convince you that you're scum, i'm playing to convince the others, if they find it a good argument i'll shut it down but rn i'm just not interested and kinda running out of energy running everywhere like a madman (manwoman?)

[Gypyx]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

how about jackson just trying to win the game here

occam's razor please, we're seeing all 3 scum vote together without any issue

[Gypyx]

Ah yeah, that justifies using malicious arguments. Whatever gets to the outcome you want amirite

my arguments aren't malicious and i don't care if you think they are cause you're openly scum

[Gypyx]

I'll be free in a couple of hours to pick this apart, so it'd be nice if we could hold fire just for a bit at least.

there won't be any hammer don't worry

town!black certainely wouldn't vote here just saying, there's 4 other townies to consult with and she doesn't care

she is scum

[Gypyx]

Ah yeah, that justifies using malicious arguments. Whatever gets to the outcome you want amirite

my arguments aren't malicious and i don't care if you think they are cause you're openly scum

They're definitely fallacious, and I'm confident calling them malicious too considering how you're handling this situation

what would be malicious is trying to keep stirring the conversation in your favor when then person you're talking to is obviously concerned about having the game stay enjoyable for everyone

[Gypyx]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

Luca please what are you not seeing that i'm seeing, psyche / black / jackson are litterally openly acting as their own unit doing the bare minimum to appear like they're sorting each other and apparently that's not enough for you

[Gypyx]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

Luca please what are you not seeing that i'm seeing, psyche / black / jackson are litterally openly acting as their own unit doing the bare minimum to appear like they're sorting each other and apparently that's not enough for you

Funny you talk about bare minimum. You're throwing Jackson and me in with Psyche because... *checks notes*.... we all think you're scum

That's the extent of your solving and I don't believe it's real

Luca thinks i'm scum and idk if you're noticed but he's extremely different about how he approaches things, almost like he didn't have a scum agenda

reducing my whole solve to that is also extremely short sighted, i've had almost 150 posts today, and i definetly didn't spend all of them complaining that all 3 of you are scumreading me and that's it

now THAT is fallacious or whatever the word was

[Gypyx]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

Luca please what are you not seeing that i'm seeing, psyche / black / jackson are litterally openly acting as their own unit doing the bare minimum to appear like they're sorting each other and apparently that's not enough for you

Funny you talk about bare minimum. You're throwing Jackson and me in with Psyche because... *checks notes*.... we all think you're scum

That's the extent of your solving and I don't believe it's real

i also don't see any interest in entertaining the view that you could be town when everyone else has very good reasons to be town and you haven't bothered pretending you were uninformed for a single bit today

[Gypyx]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

Luca please what are you not seeing that i'm seeing, psyche / black / jackson are litterally openly acting as their own unit doing the bare minimum to appear like they're sorting each other and apparently that's not enough for you

Funny you talk about bare minimum. You're throwing Jackson and me in with Psyche because... *checks notes*.... we all think you're scum

That's the extent of your solving and I don't believe it's real

Luca thinks i'm scum and idk if you're noticed but he's extremely different about how he approaches things, almost like he didn't have a scum agenda

reducing my whole solve to that is also extremely short sighted, i've had almost 150 posts today, and i definetly didn't spend all of them complaining that all 3 of you are scumreading me and that's it

now THAT is fallacious or whatever the word was

Bullshit. The bulk of your argument is that we're scum together because we're openly working as a unit to fade you. Don't try to act like you've done any legitimate solving to back that theory up

i have tho

Spoiler: Gypyx doesn't do any legitimate solving to back her theory up

Votecount 1.FINAL

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Dannflor (7):

Hu Tao,

Jacob24

, Doctor Drew, Luca Blight, DeltaWave, ketchup777, Gypyx

HAMMER

DeltaWave (2):

Dannflor, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (2):

ProjEctRy,

Psyche

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

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By the way just saying it's pretty cool how Black / Jackson / Psyche fits with the majority of the scumteam being offwagon

once again a big reason for that was the deltawave nightkill, it was very risky since obviously it was gonna be the main place to look at by far

and, an easy answer for scum to reply by is simply being apathetic to the wagon taking place in front of their eyes, jacob was basically afk, psyche was actually afk, and black, funnily enough, basically stayed silent until dann died and that's when she decided to chime in

curious

Ketchup who do you think is scum here

Not me, you, OutWorld (I've done a 180 I guess)

One or two of Jackson/Psyche/Gypyx

One or two of Luca/Black

Leaning towards Gypyx town atm

I'm leaning the other way.

bzzt wrong

i mean, if you don't TR me individually that's fine but consider the following :

right now, assuming you are town for the sake of time, there is 1 town in me / jackson / psyche / black

psyche and me are in a 1v1 so i get that it's maybe a bit hard to sort it out, but just look at how jackson / black have approached this ELo

zero hesitation, all in on me, just look at how hard i had to push them to get them to say a single word about someone other than me (and also without my intervention this died down immediatly)

they are NOT interested in solving this game, i would maybe understeand if i was obvscum but that's not what's going on

notice how jackson tried to rush my kill too, he knows the longer this goes on the more chances i have to townspew in some way

I didn't know that multitasking was a thing though so I'll take that one back mostly

big claim

time for unfun iso check

I have a gut feeling that Gypyx/Titus aren't partnered based on some Gypyx/project interactions. I'm coming around to Gypyx being the townier of the two slots as of late. Titus just kinda replaced a do-nothing slot and has continued to do nothing. Her entrance and instant vote on me gives me pause but I'll have to wait a bit to explain why

I'm not sure how I feel about the interactions between the two although, just woke up so gotta catch up on the remainder of D2 so maybe that'll give me more. The one reason I'm voting Gypyx over Titus right now would be because Gypyx tried taking control during the end of the day by giving over the top sounding pressure/threats AND project was talking about

multitasking

being a possible way for scum to get two kills (going off memory) which feels a little weird to say but those types of things do get faked so I'm not holding Gypyx to a HUGE degree over Titus

oh what's this? must've fell out of my pocket

jackson is also completely disregarding the fact that PoE is very tight right now, there isn't any other reasonable scumread to make cause everyone else is town

No, I am not. You are just trying to throw it down my throat

so, ok, who's not town then outside of that, Out"50% of the town's power"Worlder? Hu Tao who's the only protective with a macho town role? perhaps outworld lied about his checks and ketchup isn't a VT, or hey idk, maybe obvtown luca is actually scum? i don't know you tell

idk how you're ever comfortable assuming that psyche is town cause "yeah i would never have beaten scum!psyche" but any of these are too far fetched

i mean, i do know, you're just afraid of being boxed in but that's my 2 cents and i think that's what you call strawmanning, just saying it makes the most sense with scum motives

and i could give out more but i think i've already said that i don't really like casing people unless there's no other recourse

[Gypyx]

I only just woke up, but omg nobody else rush Gypyx. There’s no reason to rush right now

it's all scum piling ketchup, nobody is gonna rush anything

[Gypyx]

it simply doesn't make sense for town to play this recklessly in ELo, the only reason to vote before a consensus is reached is if you want things to go faster, right now town!black has zero reason to want to speed it up EVEN MORE

[Gypyx]

i know dead thread is rooting for me and in the end that's what really matters

[Gypyx]

i need to walk away from this thread, if anyone sees me posting anything in the next like, 3-4 hours please tell me to get away