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VOTE: DrNickRiviera
I don't trust doctors-
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As a grass type, the flavor of this game pleases me. What's everyone's favorite tree?-
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it means I'm your traitor, please recruit me immediately.In post 12, Hu Tao wrote: What does getting a red role pm mean?-
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The mafia are fine fedora wearing folks that are no harm, please cease.In post 13, KayJayQueue wrote:
It means I finally get to vote you!In post 12, Hu Tao wrote: What does getting a red role pm mean?
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Does that mean they are scum?In post 56, Elements wrote:I disagree with basically everything he's said and then he vote no lim
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I mean yes they can be scum but I don't see anything that implies that their belief is disgenuine here and I find it suspicious to overtly latch onto calling then scum for it.-
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committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later
Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.
Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements
I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far-
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Their entrance was towny via a micro interaction.In post 72, DrNickRiviera wrote:
What exactly has Kay done to deserve a town read?In post 71, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later
Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.
Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements
I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far-
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You don't strike me as the type to vote annoyed but to be fair I guess you didn't actually do itIn post 106, Dannflor wrote: I almost voted Rational out of annoyance too
I don’t think Elements’ vote is particularly scummy
I think the justification for the skill level elements has is mismatched to the vote feeling not good faith. Particularly didn't like the later backpedal to say they didn't actually scumread the slot when people pushed back against the reasoning-
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rereading the game I don't think I townread dann as much as I initially did (and kayjayqueue as well but that one is less of a drop)
might drop a reads list if i feel spicy but I'm enjoying being a passive observer for now-
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also i thought I might bring up this post as a fairly good point in the favor that rational is town that may be getting lost in the sauceIn post 44, RationalMadman wrote:
By the way this response, the tone of it and way it's said is extremely Towny. If I die NP2, trust this user to the end of the game. It's the laziness in the grammar too, everything about it screams honest Town reaction to what was read (the user skimread and ignored me saying I think we don't need the pressure DP1).In post 37, Dannflor wrote: so i dont understand why you aren’t voting somewhere Rational
(i also dont think its fair to characterize their play as just "i want nolim for mechs" when its clear by bits like this theyre at least trying to engage with reads, even if i don't currently agree with their reasoning)-
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ok fuck it ill cause drama VOTE: dannflor
the paranoia won
dann why are you town-
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am i in an EU heavy game as an american or something-
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ok i have concluded that i must be the uninformed minority because i'm suddenly unable to townread anyone except like 3 of you
mafia is a bad game-
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why?In post 126, KayJayQueue wrote: I doubt that’s going to cause any drama.-
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Rational imma keep it 100 with you and tell you that 12 people can't be mafia and those 12 people accept the meta of a day 1 elimination and won't rush for you.
More discussion time is what mafia hate, not lack of "info" for a kill. All that happens is X known strong player dies and then we're in a worse position. PRs don't play the game for town in any sense. Setup balance in normals are contingent on day play helping town, and possible guilties are always considerations. I don't think I can point at any properly reviewed setup in the past 2 years and say "yeah no elimination would have granted good info here over playing out day 1"-
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I'm going to personally ignore your posts regarding your view on day 1 elimination as its pointless from now on and won't engage (especially helps I townread your slot at this point lol) so yeah.-
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On the other hand, this is incredibly wolfy lmao.In post 171, Elements wrote:
I've changed my mindIn post 169, RationalMadman wrote: I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.
Come VOTE: Thomith
Will help end the day-
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scum are against no elim because town is lol.In post 194, RationalMadman wrote:
Rational imma keep it 100 with you and tell you that 12 people can't be mafia and those 12 people accept the meta of a day 1 elimination and won't rush for you.In post 182, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: Rational imma keep it 100 with you and tell you that 12 people can't be mafia and those 12 people accept the meta of a day 1 elimination and won't rush for you.
More discussion time is what mafia hate, not lack of "info" for a kill. All that happens is X known strong player dies and then we're in a worse position. PRs don't play the game for town in any sense. Setup balance in normals are contingent on day play helping town, and possible guilties are always considerations. I don't think I can point at any properly reviewed setup in the past 2 years and say "yeah no elimination would have granted good info here over playing out day 1"
More discussion time is what mafia hate, not lack of "info" for a kill. All that happens is X known strong player dies and then we're in a worse position.
Protection roles should default to whoever X is, even if X may be scum, during the DP1 no-elim, as that's optimal. I didn't want to clarify that in hopes it was simply how the instincts of any in that role (not excluding myself being that role, clarifying regardless) would go.
Idc what the scum members say so I only care that the other 9 all seem against no elimination. They are incorrect but I have to obey it as conforming to Town members you disagree with is part of the game.-
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In post 382, RationalMadman wrote:
Well if Mafia hit jackpot and kill a significant PR before it is useful then nothing but the mafia will claim such a PR anyway when voted DP1 and either force out a CC or end up lucky and unCCd and later end up winning a clash probably.In post 381, Elements wrote:
But if no one says anything on day 1 and there is not PR claims at the start of day 2, what is actually the difference in game state other than having less town players alive?In post 378, RationalMadman wrote: Yes I have. DP2 is a normal day, normal pressure whatever. Hopefully with a report on another player and claim leading toa crush proper structure of who to revolve the DP around and real situations where reactions actually matter to read rather than this DP1 chaos.
Spoiler: spoiler
I admit ironically that the case the mafia is not CCd means they lack information on PRs in terms of who but now out of the simple normal PRs they know one that is not present in the game and as others unvote them due to no CC it means that Town has to hit 1 in 6 chances of the 2 in 12 others and have the Scum probably decide which one ends up going as the temporary clear.
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we get it bro ur a fucking pr you lit the goddamn bat signal to mafia you are pr just take ur fucking n1 death and stop trying to impose your shitty mafia theory on the rest of us and distracting everyone from playing it the more optimal way which is actually discussing pushes and such.-
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only people with brainworms from playing on epicmafia too much think that PRs are good because the setups there are built so swingy and PR reliant despite the winrate probably going up if people stop worrying about PRs as much-
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why not gibidoIn post 387, KayJayQueue wrote:Why Gibdo? I didn’t feel strongly either way about the entrance post.
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also to go back to rationalman, awesome is probably one of the top towniest slots in the game right now and its incredible they are just OMGUSing because the dude just disagreed with them. i would be incredibly shocked to see awesomeming flip red here when they fit to a T how a less experienced townie might react to rationalman's play here which is to rightfully contextualize an experienced player pushing bad strategy as potentially suspicious while understanding it to be more of a towny thing to do from a new account.-
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team is probably something like gibido/cactus/elements atp but knowing myself thats probably only 2/3. i don't think this is a difficult game though even if part of that is wrong tho (unless it is a hard game in which case good luck yall im always dead before limlo)-
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i dont buy the reasons for elements being town here, feels like cope more than actual analysis (or straight up BS from certain people) - but awesomeming's post has made me consider an angle i had previously discarded(that i'm personally weak to) and uh kinda awkward but they have a point im giving rational too little credit and shortcutting my read on the basis that i should not respect them which I tend to do too often
VOTE: RationalMadman
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"I disagree so ur scum" type vibeIn post 580, Dannflor wrote: idk I think my Grovyle town read is getting weaker on the basis of other town reads getting stronger
and also the fact that i think his solve in 399 is somewhat likely to be 0/3
they also keep talking about how elements is scum but don't really seem engaged in pushing that convincingly-
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I don't try to pull the thread into 4 different directions and my solve has evolved past that point anyways to include rational.
your elements townread feels extremely bizarre here as I really see little to townread elements off of and it makes no sense for a town elements to make up such poor reasons for their push to eliminate Rational. in retrospect it looks more likely to be a distancing push to have a good 'excuse' to not vote there if actual pressure forms. (which indeed is going on in element's most recent vote to bring CCS to a tie with rational)
If you want to call me scum for being wrong, flip one of these 2 and then you can see if my thought process stays the same if i am wrong. if im right, then you are then burdened with changing your mind. at this point I don't think I can avoid resolving this dynamic.
you also throw out a bunch of assumptions about gibido that i find entirely unconvincing and I will trust myself on that player rather than someone who they know how to manipulate personally, no offense. Have had a few games in recent times where X player was vouched for by Y player who knew them and I felt they were wrong but allowed myself a sheep for the day phase and ended up losing due to it, so while I can avoid pushing them day 1, I will not take them out of my PoE for you.-
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why are CCS votes good to you?In post 591, DrNickRiviera wrote:
I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing elseIn post 587, Thomith wrote: Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.
I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol
And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS-
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In post 556, Hu Tao wrote: I did a quick read and I still want to eliminate salty. I'm getting vibes there of scum. I'm also getting small pings from gibdo
i hate this thought flow it doesn't feel genuine to me and I probably should re-iso hu tao at some point and that point will be thursday goodbye chatIn post 563, Hu Tao wrote:
Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:
Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at bestIn post 554, Hu Tao wrote:
WhyIn post 552, Dannflor wrote: I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town
side note: i dont like the ccs wagon esp with elements on it, and I don't trust dann's logic for his reads so far (maybe he gets better with a flip though)-
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i lied about leaving because i was thinking about thomith and i got dragged back and i reskimmed his iso and he has a few points that are almost blatantly towny despite my disagreement with a lot of his takes. i would veto that slot for day 1 @CCS @drnick-
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im feeling sick and about to nap but from what ive skimmed from hu tao as promised I agree with dann VOTE: hu tao. overall feels like a TMI filled slot that lacks any towny passion.
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oh no
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well uhhhhh kayjay slot is probably slot then-
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push townie -> vocalize suspicion on partnerIn post 756, RationalMadman wrote:
That's literally part of reading someone other than awesomeming.In post 755, Hu Tao wrote: I think you shouldn't speculate replace reasons and just read the player instead.
Anyway rational can you tell me who else you scumread besides awesome?
Elements is my main scumread outside him but the replacement ramps up how Inperceive the exact things you were saying about KJ. It alsoakes me incidentally Townread you as I don't see her bussing just before quitting. So KJ scum makes me hard Townread you for that ending.-
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2/3rds of a mindmeld pogIn post 703, awesomeming327 wrote: rational elements you if i had to say-
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and throwing a read at the wall continuously with no reevaluation is also a tell that a player is not absorbing info as it comes and arbitrarily assigning alignments.In post 713, RationalMadman wrote:
No it's not. It's easy. Pressure leads to tells.In post 695, camelCasedSnivy wrote: rationalmadman im starting to get behind your read on awesoming but considering his acc age its far too early to be pushing this hard.
imo it is hard to get a proper read on awesoming if youre breathing down this neck.
awesome started pushing on you and that is all the reason you have for that.
i started pushing you, you're frozen asf not able to reply to me in the same way.
people townread you for bad reasons but you aren't making it to endgame here.
your lack of a holsitic worldview is telling and as soon as we flip at least 1 scum you're effectively done lol-
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im accusing your reasons of being adhoc to the scumread awesoming made on youIn post 780, RationalMadman wrote:
No it isn't. antibody can read the reasons I scumread him even before he suspected me. You liar.In post 778, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:
and throwing a read at the wall continuously with no reevaluation is also a tell that a player is not absorbing info as it comes and arbitrarily assigning alignments.In post 713, RationalMadman wrote:
No it's not. It's easy. Pressure leads to tells.In post 695, camelCasedSnivy wrote: rationalmadman im starting to get behind your read on awesoming but considering his acc age its far too early to be pushing this hard.
imo it is hard to get a proper read on awesoming if youre breathing down this neck.
awesome started pushing on you and that is all the reason you have for that.
i started pushing you, you're frozen asf not able to reply to me in the same way.
people townread you for bad reasons but you aren't making it to endgame here.
your lack of a holsitic worldview is telling and as soon as we flip at least 1 scum you're effectively done lol-
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im not you're rightIn post 784, RationalMadman wrote: Big bad grovyle ain't making it to endgame either.-
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i meant to say townIn post 790, Black wrote:Hi do I know you?
What does this meanIn post 775, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: well uhhhhh kayjay slot is probably slot then-
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cant say and yesIn post 793, Black wrote:
Why am I town? And do we know each other?In post 791, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:
i meant to say townIn post 790, Black wrote:Hi do I know you?
What does this meanIn post 775, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: well uhhhhh kayjay slot is probably slot then-
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link?In post 962, Hu Tao wrote: I quickly skimmed through a RM game just in case where he was scum and yeah he is different here.-
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i think im back to fully townreading dann again btw
elements actually somewhat towny in recent posts
hu tao still my preferred elim here, awesomeming is slipping a little
rational still beating the same scumread into the ground is pretty cringe but the overall readslist that finally shows some holistic thought gives them a day 1 pass for me at this point-
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can you explain why? I don't really see how you reached this honestly based on your progression?In post 1013, awesomeming327 wrote: I agree with kayjay scum
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what the hell happened while i was goneIn post 1201, tris wrote:-
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im ok with flipping awesome as its not the worst poe flip that also resolves the most annoying slot in the game although id rather go hu tao first-
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@awesomeming intent to put you at e-1-
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(also i think through voodoo vibes that dann counterwagon and it being contested now makes it actually a good hit, and maybe hu tao might be kinda cleared off this so sorry dann)-
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In post 1164, awesomeming327 wrote: I was never trying to frame KJQ back then (see 412)
I already responded to the part where I made a townie argument because I didn't know you were experienced in post 412
Please go read that again thanksIn post 1165, awesomeming327 wrote: please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's rightIn post 1170, awesomeming327 wrote:
i think elements has done towny things and scummy things. i do not have a solid read.In post 1168, ActionDan wrote:
Ignore him for the moment and just answer my Qs ty!In post 1165, awesomeming327 wrote: please don't fall prey for the mere exposure effect guys
just because rational's confident doesn't mean he's rightIn post 1172, awesomeming327 wrote: vibes are certainly good and progression with dann is also good
def a townread
bah this is mildly towny thoIn post 1173, awesomeming327 wrote: i would like anyone who thinks rational's arguments have even a shred of logic in them to have a talk with me-
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actually dann cw gained real steam during hu tao wagon scratch my hu tao town theoryIn post 1129, tris wrote:-
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i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)-
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lets get it VOTE: hu tao-
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In post 1336, RationalMadman wrote:
I am not following your thought process at all. You also get some VIP privilege to hide your main from others which I assume is part of Normal Game conduct that we can't demand it.In post 1329, DrNickRiviera wrote:
4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lolIn post 591, DrNickRiviera wrote:
I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing elseIn post 587, Thomith wrote: Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.
I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol
And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS
Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner
Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.
So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day
If you had to name scum rn who would you name?
Also this isn't a good time for me. I can better give myself to this game in a couple days' time but even then I'm a bit busier irl depending which hours.-
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this literally doesnt happen, i thought you were supposed to be one of the better scum players on the site?In post 1313, Black wrote: I think I agree that scum are trying to frame Hu. I don't really see Hu making that hit-
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ok annoyingly i thought you were possibly scum bc i thought you were showing the signs of a scum hellbussing their teammate losing steam the dayphase right after but this is something i mindmelded on so its probably wrong. still have my eye on youIn post 1307, RationalMadman wrote: I'm voting Dr Nick, Elements, ActionDan this DP.
If Black were scum, why changed rapidly after Dannflor did? That is not the logical scum move.She made the wagon on awesomeming gain momentum as mucna s Dann did.
DrNick and Elements were voting Dannflor throughout. Only hammering awesomeming means nothing, elements gets absolute zero towncred for that one top of pussyibng out of admitting she put Dannflor in danger over Hu Tao and stuck on him over awesomeming when I called.her out on it. She outed as vanilla townie for no reason at all. DrNick similar issues with denying putting Dann under kill threat.-
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again, scum do not do "frame kills" unless they are actively throwing or already have a positive gamestate. either scum are too simple and go for obvious targets to silence them or they are big braining themselves while killing a threat.In post 1295, RationalMadman wrote: Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.
I am not naive either.
Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.
It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.
killing random useless player is not scum MO ever and its a stupid first assumption to make when doing NKA. if you died with a scumread, would you assume that scumread was wrong? what if dann flipped last night, and instead you died overnight RM, would that point towards awesoming being framed? no thats silly. scum dont keep loud people around who are correct.
I think there are more reasons than his hu tao read that he was killed fwiw but I think "framing hu tao" is absolutely an absurd reason and its more likely hu tao is just red and a primary reason, because only dann was really yelling for hu tao's head last dayphase.-
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also i think its completely ridiculous to immediately point to "bussers" without a good reason, like only focusing on late voters or poorly explained votes that were at an awkward stage. I'd rather people be pushing me over people on wagon because its frankly annoying to see it happen consistently and be the wrong play over and over.
can there be scum on wagon purely? yeah
can there be scum off wagon purely? yeah
but thats never 100% and should be evaluated carefully, not with shortcutted assumptions.
like lets assume there are bussers - i think the assumption that thomith and black for example are bussers is completely ridiculous in context of their votes being swing votes to make awesoming a real wagon.
like if we analyze how wagons went down, I think it really does point straight at hu tao being red and it makes no sense to go anywhere else this day phase. it was hu tao vs dann at first then the hu tao wagon became the awesomeming wagon and was awesome vs dann -> and we know the alignments now of the 2 wagoners. I personally would not want to resolve wagons like this as info if i were scum, unless I was sure that keeping that person alive was more detrimental to my wincon than the info it might give town. this case is where hu tao fits in - only a hu tao team 100% of the time kills dann - granted there may be other micro reasons to kill dann there like a PR read, seeing as he did flip one, or that he is mostly clear due to being a counterwagon and RM having otherwise poor reads, but thats a fringe case that I don't think outweighs the evidence pointing towards hu at this point.-
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