Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[KayJayQueue]

What does getting a red role pm mean?

It means I finally get to vote you!

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Hi everybody!

*in unison*
Hi, Dr. Nick!

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Is there a tl:dr, asking for a friend (the friend is Hu Tao)

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Spoiler: the exact opposite of a tl:dr

Is there a tl:dr, asking for a friend (the friend is Hu Tao)

I can skip what I said about Mafia pressure in general and say one thing about this DP and situation:

We have 12 other people than ourselves as Town. Scum probably at ratiod 3:10 (4:9 requires an underpowered mafia and this is a 'Normal mini' setup so in all regards we can assume the 3:10 ratio unless there's a thirdparty at play).

As Town, all of the 9 other Townies than me are operating trying to appear as Towny as possible to others, masking what they do and say but also trying hard to read 12 others and interrogate and force reactions (or they're just random posting silly hellos etc I'm not saying it to be mean but to clarify it's junk activity often dubbed 'fluff' or 'filler' perhaps).

The 9 others are all operating in a way that may well seem scummy at first, though I had a towntell from one player who replied to me so far, I think that's not a good bet to be what happens often during this DP. Meanwhile, the scum are only worried about appearing Towny and watching what they say, they will be primarily concerned with reading PR vs vanilla dynamics in how people operate. That type of leaking and telling is far more likely to become obvious the more we have happening during the DP.

Either we all out instantly and try to crack the balance and whatever else or we hide it and vote no elimination. If we vote scum they'll force a PR CC or end up appearing unCC'd PR by picking, by luck, the type of PR that isn't directly had by another (for instance tracker and watcher cancel out balance-wise while cop and the other wouldn't necessarily, you get the idea). Either way it's a disaster where at best we voted off a vanilla or forced a PR to CC and happened to vote the fake one in the CC.

Ooookay thanks

[KayJayQueue]

committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later

Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.

Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements

I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far

What exactly has Kay done to deserve a town read?

You’re not allowed to ask that from my pocket Doc!

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But no elimination = no information. I need something to base my reads off of and player’s movements during D1 leading up to an elimination can be very useful when figuring shit out. (in my opinion)

If they know there won’t be an elimination, it’s hard to say anyone is being AI if it feels like there’s nothing at stake.

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Serious question to those who have played with me: when do I get to be considered no longer a newbie? Is it measured in time, games, annoyance level?

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I’ve voted out of annoyance before, I’m trying to turn over a new leaf. But relapse is sneaky.

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Serious question to those who have played with me: when do I get to be considered no longer a newbie? Is it measured in time, games, annoyance level?

I think time. I still felt like a newbie months in though

The thing is, knowing myself, I’ll feel like a newbie forever. And I’ll always feel extra defensive. Which is not super great for playing this game lol

[KayJayQueue]

I doubt that’s going to cause any drama.

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I doubt that’s going to cause any drama.

why?

Are you expecting him to freak out or something? He won’t. Unless you’re expecting a half hearted wagon to form. I still don’t think it’d be very dramatic lol

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I’m also working a long ass 4-day weekend and I’ve worked 42 hours and had 5 hours of sleep since Thursday. And I will be working 18 hours tomorrow. I can guarantee I will be delusional if/when I post tomorrow.

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I’m also working a long ass 4-day weekend and I’ve worked 42 hours and had 5 hours of sleep since Thursday. And I will be working 18 hours tomorrow. I can guarantee I will be delusional if/when I post tomorrow.

Holy smokes, you need booze

No kidding.

[KayJayQueue]

am i in an EU heavy game as an american or something

I’m American, it’s hard to hide it.

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It’s really odd to narrate your actions by saying “if I do this it would look like scum so I’m not going to”…why do you think that would make people townread you when that same logic could be given to the reason both town and scum wouldn’t do it - to look town.

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Okay Elements putting that much effort into that explanation is giving me town vibes for sure. I don’t see why scum would argue that hard annd in depth against something that could help them just to “appear” town. I won’t be voting Elements D1 unless something spectacularly scummy comes from her which I don’t anticipate.

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I won’t be voting Elements D1 unless something spectacularly scummy comes from her which I don’t anticipate.

just gimmi some time xx

I’d actually be really funny if you did something that pinged me so hard that I did a 180 like “get her outttt!!! I’ll drive the bus!!!!” lol

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I feel like being able to analyse how wagons are formed or deformed during the day is more beneficial in the long run for us than speed no limming, where mafia get a kill, and town may also not use their PRs correctly, as they don't have anything to base their choices off of.

When we start getting flips, seeing how wagons formed and deformed does provide us information we can use to help solve the game.

This is what I was trying to articulate earlier. I agree with this take, if anyone is wondering where I stand on this issue.

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Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

If that is true, I honestly didn’t know the implication of that wording. I was just trying to make a joke. You could look through my other games and search that phrase, I’m fairly certain I’ve never encountered it. I’m still technically “new” so there are a few things I’m not completely familiar with when it comes to acronyms and keywords. If you’re going to scumread me for being uninformed on the lingo, okay, but it wasn’t a slip or whatever you’re insinuating.

[KayJayQueue]

Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.

If that is true, I honestly didn’t know the implication of that wording. I was just trying to make a joke. You could look through my other games and search that phrase, I’m fairly certain I’ve never encountered it. I’m still technically “new” so there are a few things I’m not completely familiar with when it comes to acronyms and keywords. If you’re going to scumread me for being uninformed on the lingo, okay, but it wasn’t a slip or whatever you’re insinuating.

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/Bus
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing

So I thought bus and wagon (I think I’ve also used the word train) were interchangeable words to describe people getting in a vote. I honestly had no idea. Thank you for the links I feel pretty dumb at the moment and I don’t really understand why no one else has corrected me on this faux pas.

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Thank you for those, I need to bookmark them.

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I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

That’s my fault. I tend to be a superfluous writer in these games, it’s just how I express myself. I tend to over explain everything (even this post, I can’t help myself wtf)

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I was referencing how many words was in the conversation. I never said the conversation was unnecessary, I said that the superfluousness of it was unnecessary.

That’s my fault. I tend to be a superfluous writer in these games, it’s just how I express myself. I tend to over explain everything (even this post, I can’t help myself wtf)

I need to get my head back in the game

Kay, 50 words or less......why aren't you scum?

Go!

I saw green!

Me = good

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I’m an over achiever!

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I’m an over achiever!

I would disagree heh

Worst read of the game tbh

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@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.

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@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.

Anyone you have enough suspicion of to vote?

Honestly this RationalMadman stuff has been so distracting to me. It feels like it’s the sole focus of every page and I can’t get actual reads. I was trying to think of the best vote but honestly I just need to unvote and wait for more content that I feel can give me literally anything I feel confident about.

UNVOTE:

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I kind of got turned off of the game when all the toxicity was flying.

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@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.

Join me on

I’ll trust your gut until my gut wakes up.

VOTE: SaltiestCactus23

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Am I already sheeping a baddie?

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I sus Dann

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Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol

Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.

[KayJayQueue]

Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol

Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.

yeahhhhh I have a habit of distrusting people who town read me and town reading people who scum read me

is there a particular reason you aren't sold on grovyle

I'll admit I think Grovyle is a good player as both alignments and I think there's some chance my read there is wrong but I kind of need Grovyle to be town right now or my bearing in this game just goes out the window

also is there a reason you decided to sheep hu tao out of everyone

I have no idea on Grovyle, I’ve never encountered them before so I guess I’m just naturally skeptical.

Regarding Hu - because she asked

Plus I wasn’t lying when I said the toxicity kinda turned me off a bit and I wasn’t exceptionally invested at the time. I’m working my way back to a better place re: this game.

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I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why Gibdo? I didn’t feel strongly either way about the entrance post.

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Or win but lose with the win like get rid of mafia but expose PR to them.

Do you play blood on the clocktower?
I think you'd enjoy it

Do you? I’m obsessed with watching it but have never played. Sorry for getting sidetracked I just love that game so much lol

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I don’t think it’s Elements

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Maybe I’ll be a reactionary player this game. I’ve never really tried that (purposefully) before.

VOTE: Dr Nick

OMGUS how dare you scumread me

Joking aside, let’s see if this gets me any new info.

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Secret tells.

Oh please enlighten me on this. Do you mean in interactions with each other or separately?

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I am very confused as to what could prompt people to vote Thomith, tbh

I’m not a fan of this vote.

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I am certain of it. This is the natural ending, voting outside it is futile. I will lead us to victory.

You won’t entertain anything besides this the rest of Day 1?

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I’ve definitely felt disengaged from this game and I’m not sure where to naturally come back in confidently. I don’t have a ton of concrete reads outside of Thom and Elements as town.

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I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town

Why

Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at best

Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.

I agree about not wanting to vote Rational but I definitely see a world where scum just continues to let him cause distractions that could cause TvT issues which I think may already be happening today. I don’t know. I just know if things turn toxic again, I might step back.

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Why would we want to eliminate him.

same reason I half wanted to eliminate Random Nurse, the innocent child, in our last game

That would’ve been so helpful lol

[KayJayQueue]

Ugh I’m feeling very off about one person that I usually always feel good about so I guess for now I’ll just listen to that gut feeling.

VOTE: Hu Tao

[KayJayQueue]

Ugh I’m feeling very off about one person that I usually always feel good about so I guess for now I’ll just listen to that gut feeling.

VOTE: Hu Tao

This vote hurts the most

You just seem different

[KayJayQueue]

Idc if I die or not, my primary issue is making sure that since we wasted the no-elim opportunity, we land on scum and not town.

I’ve never been in a game that had a no-elim vote. I honestly didn’t know that was a real thing that anyone would do.

[KayJayQueue]

Hi Dr Nick

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look rational if i was scum and wanted to get town read by you, believe me, i could

Yeah that’s what scares me most lol

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gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting

Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.

I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.

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gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting

Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.

I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.

Be the change you want to be lol

Let's have a thought experiment

Gun to your head, who is the scum team

I will respond with mine as well

Oh god I don’t know. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs? It could literally be anyone right now except Thom, Elements, and Rational - from my perspective.

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I don’t know. I gave you what I thought. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs. But I don’t know how this helps anyone.

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I don’t know. I gave you what I thought. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs. But I don’t know how this helps anyone.

It definitely helps me

Why is Thomith a 'definitely' not scum?

Just a gut feeling same with Elements.

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Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.

I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.

I feel this way a little bit too but I can't help but worry if stating it directly is a method of playing a bystander card and letting people point fingers and argue. Not that I'm scum-reading you.

I’d be scum reading me at this point in the game too. I’ve brought it on myself. I’m only stating it because anyone that’s played with me knows this really isn’t how I usually am in games so I thought ignoring it would the worse choice.

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I think Kay has been basically going with the flow of the game. And being sus of whoever is being voted in the moment. I think that's why that leads to her scum list not really sounding good

I feel like I explained why my reads aren’t good right now but whatever I say will just be sus anyway so that’s why I didn’t want to be forced to say reads that I don’t really believe. But if I didn’t answer, that would also be wrong.

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I* carried

*Black

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I’m sorry for repping out but I couldn’t mentally handle a specific player’s playstyle/attitude (who isn’t even here now) and I thought it was best for me to exit the game before it affected me personally.

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I have no concern with moderation, but the amount of replacements was quite ridiculous this game.

I’m sorry

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RationalMadman woulda carried that for town with his superior skills.

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If that was dragon, I think I would’ve figured it out lol