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Post #17 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:36 am
Postby Gimli »
In post 16, Gimli wrote:
this is a game where town needs to be precise and lock tight. a good misflip ends the game today. a bad gameday can lose us the game just the same.
In post 33, Gimli wrote:
Black, I had a similar read to yours, but mine was that my first read was Lorne is probably not kira for the way he is interacting with the game
maybe I can townread you.
I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling
I don't wanna talk about how I think kira is going to try playing this out for obvious reasons but the way you started isn't quite what I imagine.
of course you can be scum but the game winning flip is unlikely to be you IMO. but it's early. it's just an impression.
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Post #72 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:15 am
Postby Gimli »
In post 63, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Well, hello there. This one appears to be late to the big Kira Suspect Convention. VOTE: Malakittens
In post 36, Lorne Malvo wrote:I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling
optimal tbh.
hi HPE looking forward to playing with you again
why are you voting mala? cause she is always scum?
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Post #90 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:05 pm
Postby Gimli »
from the people who have posted so far I think koki is the most likely kira as well
I like kawaii's two posts even though they're kinda nothing as well. maybe kawaii would try to appear more townie as scum, especially as Kira, instead of pointing at them and calling them kira.
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Post #91 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:06 pm
Postby Gimli »
In post 85, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Just kinda picked someone at random, my experience with scum!Mala was only the one game so this one isn't going so far as to say she's on a roll with getting scum.
Kokichi is ZZZ, this one doesn't think it super trusts Lorne and the skill claim, and Black's pro-active stance is nice to see. Strong opinions on multiple people seems to just not really be my thing this one notices but it'll try and not constantly have lukewarm reads on most people this time around.
you mean you think kokichi is boring? does that mean anything alignment-wise for him in your opinion?
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Post #93 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:16 pm
Postby Gimli »
yeah but he is quoting a very scummy post by kokichi and calling him kira for it, it's not really random, there's a read on a player here. I think maybe as scum kawaii would be more elaborate, and IDK if kira is condidently doing anything tbh. if this is a chess game, kira is the scum's king. IDK if it plays too loosey goosey but ofc kira might do that if we start just reading people as not kira for playing loose.
well I'm taking it at face value. I do scumread kokichi, maybe rather strongly given how little evidence I have rn, and I find that post to be quite reminiscent of kokichi's scum game in ab:loaf. does a push, then tries to buddy up when he starts getting heat, and the backtrack doesn't feel like a normal solvey townie thought to have. 'you voted me back so you're more likely town' is a tired approach to mafia, I'm very likely omgusing people as scum anyway so it doesn't work, and I'm not voting koki cause he voted me, I'm voting him cause of all his posting not ringing townie to me and I think he knows that.
so to see that someone else read that post and thought it was scummy, I'm satisfied with it.
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Post #131 (isolation #15) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:44 am
Postby Gimli »
In post 124, Kokichi Oma wrote:
The game you're referring to, I vote TL and pushed him all of day 1. Never tried to buddy him as well. I was the MAIN factor as to why TL was the day 1 vote.
more importantly than me being wrong about your behaviour in that game, is how can you possibly townread me for 'voting you back' and how could you phrase that as your vote being some sort of reaction test. I don't see the townhunting in this? also in ab:loaf at least I voted you first.
you did the same kind of superficial fake solving reasoning with STD. 'i thought you were scummy the other game so maybe now you're town' is another example of you having tired reads in page 2-3 or whatever. that's why HPE thinks your posts are boring.
I think these two posts are particularly scummy, just so we're clear:
You did the same thing there and you were town and I tunneled you all game. Also the other game I thought you were town you were scum now that I think about it.
In the 2 games I've played with you, every time I voted you, you voted me back. You were town those games so I wanted to see if you would do the same here. Good work
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Post #136 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:59 am
Postby Gimli »
okay so we're both using wrong meta to identify things. to me the important thing is that I don't believe you have a townhunting attitude wrt me and STD. but if I'm wrong, maybe in time I'll find you in this game. I don't expect you to townread me for voting you, and I don't expect you to townread STD for posting a jokey entrance just because he did the same thing in haunted village.
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Post #140 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:09 am
Postby Gimli »
vanderscamp is the towniest player I think. lorne trolled a bit too much to be kira. but the one player with nearly no kira equity is hopefully meg. cause of that thing meg posted. I don't really wanna talk about it too much, but I feel that meg might have openclaimed kira alignment, and it's still not a good flip because we should be focused solely on kira hunting.
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Post #147 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:36 am
Postby Gimli »
let's say we follow a plan that kills indiscriminately between kira and followers.
say we use that plan to get 'wolfy people' and people who are openly talking to kira in thread like meg
say we kill them and the game doesn't end
the problem we have is that we don't know what we killed. we might have killed a townie instead. we need some sort of strong evidence to kill based off things that aren't specifically kira hunting, which is hunting for a mastermind serial killer, and normal scumhunting tools might as well be a bunch of ass. so we need to kill off based on a 'could this player easily be kira?' type of mindset first. if we get followers, that's good. but it should be secundary and accidental when we do it imo.
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Post #155 (isolation #25) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:54 am
Postby Gimli »
Hiding. If both your Followers are dead and you used ability Assasinate already, mod will warn you about this and unlock this ability. At day, you can lose Death Note and memories permanently, becoming innocent for "Brainstorm" of Detective and unable to use "Write". Criminals will stop dying (message "Criminals in prison not dying anymore" will be posted publically), so everyone will realise you used this ability. This action can't be reversed.
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Post #163 (isolation #29) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:12 am
Postby Gimli »
I don't like when there's a random 3p in game cause it's ???????????
here there's a bunch of mechanics and how people have to interact with each other given the roles they have, that make it interesting to investigate. I'm rly rly happy with this setup lol but I get the no flip thing can be annoying.
In post 29, Black wrote:
Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them
Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a follower
the man is paying attention, and while kira is follower hunting, they might not do so in public like this.
vander gets not kira points and not follower points for this post, imo.
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Post #168 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:32 am
Postby Gimli »
what I said re: followers is that "we need some sort of strong evidence to kill based off things that aren't specifically kira hunting". if we have a sure read on someone as being with kira, we'll kill them. but kira hunting comes first.
In post 177, Gimli wrote:
they literally put 'i'm death, straight up' in the signature
is this softing to kira
Pretty sure signature stuff is against rules so I don't think that's the case.
How do you know it's not the case? It can totally be the case. All I know is that I wasn't seeing this signature, then I refreshed it and there it was. Even if we exclude the signature, the posting is making sense as signaling just the same. It's weird cryptic phrasing.
Idk why you're so quick to disregard that as nothing.
Did my thoughts about Vander change your opinion of him at all?
I could've explained my Vander townread a lot better than I did, and I think your case is very good and makes a lot of sense, but I also think Vander's posts only feel scummy when taken out of context, I think they're all towny entrances in real time.
Jsyk I read your case and am taking it into consideration. You're my strongest townread at this point in time.
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Post #223 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:45 am
Postby Gimli »
the only questions related with the setup that I think are justifiable for us to go through d1 is 1) how to kira hunt/who to kill etc that we already went through; and 2) specific talk about skills. I don't think we should talk about skills because the kira followers can coordinate with kira. unless we wanna go full claiming abilities and do something else to break night actions.
I don't wanna talk about 2), I normally leave it with the smarter players, so I was expecting kokichi to help with that sort of buisness but he seems to be scum unfortunately.
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Post #227 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:05 am
Postby Gimli »
after reading I think it's a bad idea
a lot of these roles are gonna be useful for players when kira and followers don't know we have them. we can absolutely screw with scum here with some of that stuff. but I think it's gonna be more of a player specific thing where each of us uses our abilities well at night and knows when to claim it. that's it. but if someone else has an idea I'm all ears.
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Post #255 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:54 pm
Postby Gimli »
yeah but they didn't respond to you, you can't just say it was my case that did anything to that vote
in other news I think I know your main now and it's cute and idk what to do with that. do I tilt you in many directions until you become scummy, do I let you cook, idrk.
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Post #276 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:56 am
Postby Gimli »
I really like HPE's posts, the push on kokichi, and all its leans. I'm calling a towncore of black/vander/HPE aorn, with a townread on Azu. I agree with leaving lorne and STD at null atm. I think flipping inside of (koki, mala, kawaii) is good for d1.
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Post #280 (isolation #56) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:02 am
Postby Gimli »
In post 264, Kokichi Oma wrote:
The reason I like playing with Gimli is he is one of the few people who can post as much as I can in a game. I enjoy this banter. Since I always enjoy making the game about me.
I like playing with you and enjoy the banter just the same, koki
too bad you keep randing mafia when I'm town. I wish we could play this the other way around to see if you're as good at catching me as you're good at making me townread you.
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Post #286 (isolation #58) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:16 am
Postby Gimli »
HPE, I'm afraid kokichi is a good enough player to escape from a tough situation and sway us into doing something horrible instead. I agree we should talk it out as much as possible, but koki has a surprising range of manipulation methods as scum, especially as early as d1. I'm voting there because I feel good about it. if people quick hammer we can figure out what it means later.