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By universal do you mean that you would come up looking bad regardless of the type of invest? So, a tracker always sees you going to the night kill?
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I wonder if LadyL can make the mod regret giving her this power
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...............In post 94, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Well I believe that this was already pretty obvious in the first few pages. This post could be filler.In post 92, Pink Ball wrote: Do you know why your name is blue in the votecount?
VOTE: Pink
The way I went and opened up a the lyrics of the actual song and did a side by side to see what the differences were in there, but then still did not put it together with the vote count has me feeling ashamed.-
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Am thinking on this more, and I do want to know the wording on "universal"In post 97, Wavelength wrote:By universal do you mean that you would come up looking bad regardless of the type of invest? So, a tracker always sees you going to the night kill?
Was it said as "all investigative roles?"-
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This does not answer the follow up question. Was it "all investigative roles" or was it like, a list of roles that you would show up negatively for?In post 107, Ircher wrote:
Yes.In post 97, Wavelength wrote:By universal do you mean that you would come up looking bad regardless of the type of invest? So, a tracker always sees you going to the night kill?
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Annoyed that Ircher just called me nosy instead of answering my question.
I somewhat doubt LadyL pulls out a double voter here as scum, when she could just sit on it.
I liked the meta that PB said that they did on the Sportsman-
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In post 384, Marashu wrote:
Because lately in games I've played, town has been more likely to miss things like that. I'm not saying it's a towntell, but it's something I've noticed that has come from town more than scum (who I think tend to try to be more careful).In post 115, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Why not?In post 112, Marashu wrote: Do you think scum is more likely to try to dumbtell that though?
This, on the other hand, looks like an attempt to look townie by relating. If Amici is scum, Pink is probably town.In post 108, Amici Curiae wrote: If it makes you feel better, yesterday I did a side by side of the lyrics, concluded the refrain must have done something... and onlyafterthat I realized that the name in the VC was blue, so critical spot check fail there
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Why does this not have a commentary on me also having a post similar to this?-
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In post 103, Wavelength wrote:
...............In post 94, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Well I believe that this was already pretty obvious in the first few pages. This post could be filler.In post 92, Pink Ball wrote: Do you know why your name is blue in the votecount?
VOTE: Pink
The way I went and opened up a the lyrics of the actual song and did a side by side to see what the differences were in there, but then still did not put it together with the vote count has me feeling ashamed.-
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Why are you connecting Amici's alignment from that post to Pink's alignment, instead of connecting it to me?-
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I am trying to figure out why you seem to be treating my posts differently then you were treating Amici's-
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Do we think that these two things combine to mean that Kokichi is coming back?In post 405, SirCakez wrote:You all come out to see that no one has died last night...
However, Kokichi Oma has mysteriously disappeared!
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What changed between earlier when you said that you did not know if being nosy was scum indicative?
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Ircher and Marashu are the two at the bottom of my reads atm, but I am not sure if the Ircher stuff if just annoying me that he seems to be purposefully difficult.In post 425, Alisae wrote: Where u @ w/ reads bud
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This struck me as a comment that comes from legitimately having done at least a little bit of meta on Stephen to spot check his approach to his slot, and realizing that what he was originally scum reading was actually NAI.In post 214, Pink Ball wrote: Ok, made a quick skim on your past games and realized you actually start games like this. I thought both Flea and your votes were RVS and that you were trying to pick a fight, so the "fake reads" looked like bait from my point of view. I was calling you out for baiting me, and that felt, from my point of view, that I started pushing you and you retaliated.
I get where you're coming from now, can't agree with you with the "buddying" LLD theory when I wast just showing humanity which is what I usually do? Reading this made me think "this guy don't know shit about me and it shows", but then again, I now know who you are and know you know me, so I don't know what to take out of this whole interaction.
I leaned town for it, because backing down from the scum read on Stephen there did not seem a goal that he would really have as scum, when he could just stick to the scum read. So I read it as a genuine re-eval.-
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My read of the interaction was Marashu looking for a reason to call Amici scum/join the wagon. But then was surprised to see it hammered before he got thereIn post 429, Alisae wrote: Marashu isn't great, I can agree that it could be argued that they just picked out a post and tried to spun something as a wolf post without actually trying to garner a read. I think if PB flipped wolf I would be pretty interested in flipping it but on another hand he didn't seem like he expected a hammer-
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I am struggling to parse exactly what point you are making here >.<In post 431, Alisae wrote: I think his self-awareness on if he overreacted or not is townie because from what I read it seemed like he was overreacting but if he was told he wasn't overreacting maybe that gives him an avenue to keep the read open.
Makes me also think I missed an opportunity to try to cash in on this and really try to sort him using that :/
I was talking about him doing a meta check on Stephen to see his approach in other games vs this game. I am not sure I am following what you mean by him being self-aware on if he was over reacting or not. (Or why that would make him town?)
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Why do you think that him potentially leaving an avenue open to keep the read open is townie? I feel like looking at the point you made, it feels like it should lean you the other way?In post 435, Alisae wrote:
we're talking about different things I'm talking about this postIn post 433, Wavelength wrote:
I am struggling to parse exactly what point you are making here >.<In post 431, Alisae wrote: I think his self-awareness on if he overreacted or not is townie because from what I read it seemed like he was overreacting but if he was told he wasn't overreacting maybe that gives him an avenue to keep the read open.
Makes me also think I missed an opportunity to try to cash in on this and really try to sort him using that :/
I was talking about him doing a meta check on Stephen to see his approach in other games vs this game. I am not sure I am following what you mean by him being self-aware on if he was over reacting or not. (Or why that would make him town?)
Can you reword this post for me lol?In post 251, Pink Ball wrote:
Because his read seems fake to me, like there was a higher standard towards my play instead of the rest of the playerlist; the gamestate was full of banter posts but somehow I'm the one who was pocketing LLD and not playing seriously. Felt like bait.In post 249, Alisae wrote: why would you say yes right now but no if you overreacted and instigated the whole thing
If I overreacted then I'm giving him too much atributions that are just not true (he's not actually trying to bait me or supress me, he just has a legitimate read on me, among other things)-
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I would say town lean: LadyL, Stephen, PinkB, YouIn post 434, Alisae wrote: Lady Lambdadelta - Want to TR, I think she knows that there's gonna be a bunch of eyes on what she does next so I'm really interested to see what kind of magik tricks she has in store for us.
Here There Be Dragons - Town
Ircher - Want to TR, play is super underwhelming though
PenguinPower - I want to say their engagements so far seem townie? I don't know what wolf!PP looks like here, last time I played with wolf!PP they flaked and I want to say that it feels like it's easier for PP to engage with the thread so town?
kuribo - Need more
Stephen A Smith - Town
Flea The Magician - gun to head town, I feel like them just saying that their vote is rvs while wagons are developing is just more likely to come from town? they can be a wolf tho there's not much to really go off of here but I want to say they're a villager so far.
Marashu - wolf
Wavelength - Want to TR
Pink Ball - I can see arguments for the player being both alignments tbh :/
Nullish: Dragons, PP, Kuribo, Flea
Lean scum: Ircher, Marashu
Which feels like we are largely in the same ball park?
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Ah.In post 439, Alisae wrote: So like that's obviously one interpretation but his self-awareness on the situation looks like he's actively giving thought about it. I feel like a wolf in that spot would just keep tunneling?
That was part of my thoughts about the way he handled doing a meta check on him, was that he could have just stayed scum reading him if scum.-
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@Ircher
Gonna be nosy again.
You said you are a "Universal" Miller. We have a flipped Flavor Cop.
How would a Universal Miller interact with a Flavor Cop Invest?-
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If I had a double vote as scum, I feel like I never reveal it until the Elo (or the Day before dependent on game state), when you can get a surprise win from it.In post 448, Alisae wrote: I find it hard to find Kokichi to be more threatening than the Cephrir hydra or me tbh :/
or even LLD but there's a lot of ambiguity with LLD right now so it's pretty easy to get away with leaving them alive right now. I would like more details on how their doublevote works, like if that's something they can do again or not.
I think going for play I listed like hiding it until in hammer range then clawing would probably make her look pretty suspect so if she's a wolf I imagine she'll just use it to help her push something.
Actually revealing yourself to be a double voter kind of stops you from being able to end game, because taking such a slot to Elo is kinda bad, right? You kind of have to kill the double voted at Elo-1.
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I still think revealing it forces the town to kill you at Elo-1 in case you are lying. So doing so stops you from being a viable endgame scum.In post 454, Here There Be Dragons wrote:
What if it doesn't work in eloIn post 452, Wavelength wrote:
If I had a double vote as scum, I feel like I never reveal it until the Elo (or the Day before dependent on game state), when you can get a surprise win from it.In post 448, Alisae wrote: I find it hard to find Kokichi to be more threatening than the Cephrir hydra or me tbh :/
or even LLD but there's a lot of ambiguity with LLD right now so it's pretty easy to get away with leaving them alive right now. I would like more details on how their doublevote works, like if that's something they can do again or not.
I think going for play I listed like hiding it until in hammer range then clawing would probably make her look pretty suspect so if she's a wolf I imagine she'll just use it to help her push something.
Actually revealing yourself to be a double voter kind of stops you from being able to end game, because taking such a slot to Elo is kinda bad, right? You kind of have to kill the double voted at Elo-1.
Using it to push through a day 1 elim feels like actively bad scum strategy
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In post 441, Alisae wrote: Ceph called me town super early
I went back and looked at Dragons calling you town, and I am not really sure what part of that makes the Dragons more likely to be town.In post 442, Alisae wrote: and their reasoning for it was I think something I believe could come from him as town
I guess it does not really matter at the moment, since I am not really interested in a Dragons push currently, so I guess this is just a vague "you didn't sell me on that read" to float your way.-
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Yeah... those are unrelated.In post 484, kuribo wrote: And is there a reason we're assuming someone was rolestopped rather than the disappearance being a janitor kill?
Marashu looks like they were acsetic / rolestopped, because Ali and Dragons claim to have both targeted Marashu, and their actions failed.
Re:my comment on the no flip, I was thinking that maybe it was not a Janitor because the mod's post explicitly said "no one died" which feels weird if someone simply died and was janitored. Also, the fact that they are not listed as dead in the OP. If it was the night kill, I can see it being some kind of delayed flip though. Like flavor wise, they "kidnap" their target N1, and they "die" at the end of Day 2. So I am not really sold on it definitely not being the night kill? But atp, I think we just have to wait and see if anything happens.-
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Oh...In post 559, Pink Ball wrote: I’ll look into my past games but I really don’t remember anything
I have never played with PB, and when I saw PB's hammer with the Miltank, I kind of assumed that he was like Not_Mafia or Enchant, and quick hammered all the time.
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I am trying to think of a world where you are targeted with a rolestop if you are town, and struggling to come up with one.In post 583, Marashu wrote: Not claiming ascetic, if that's what you're asking. Not sure why people's actions targeting me failed. Whatever it is, it's not me.
Like, a town rolestop is should be used like a doctor, and I don't think that it makes sense for a doctor to target you. And I am not sure why a scum rolestop would be on you if you are town either.-
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I just stared at a list of roles on Mafia scum, and I guess I can see a couple roles that *could* make sense as having used you as a target.
Not gonna list them all, but I think that if there is a town bus driver that targeted you, they should probably out, since that would mean their other target is likely an unclaimed ascetic.
The others that I saw would either should not claim even if they targeted you, or would be the result of a scum action, so doesn't matter.-
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Unless this happens, I am still happy with my vote.In post 588, Wavelength wrote: I think that if there is a town bus driver that targeted you, they should probably out, since that would mean their other target is likely an unclaimed ascetic.-
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I am finding it really hard to believe that you are actually thinking critically about my motivations or what those motivations could mean to my alignment.In post 619, Ircher wrote: Zzz... Let me ask again: what is the purpose of this question specifically? The flavor cop is dead now. Do you expect there to be a second one? I don't.
But if you must know, I investigate as "mafia-aligned" to cop-type roles and as visiting all players who died to tracking investigatives. So for a flavor cop, I'd presumably investigate as my flavor. Flavor is likely null anyway; I'm sure SirCakez randomized alignments before developing roles.
You claimed "Universal miller" and I questioned how that could would interact with non-traditional investigative role in a role madness game. And wanted you to nail yourself down to a definitive answer so that if a non-traditional investigative role targeted you at some point this game, your answer could not just be: what ever answer helps you in that situation.
Our only flip so far, had not one, buttwodifferent non-traditional investigative roles, andyou still thinkthat me still wanting to get you to commit to how you interact with non traditional investigative roles is pointless, and that I should be focusing my time on "more important" things?
It is hard to believe that you are an actual town miller, who claimed it as "universal miller," and after the Amici flip, just... don't see that your claim, as presented, did not actually answer how it would interact with this invest:
Or this invest:In post 402, SirCakez wrote: Once at night, you may visit another player and you will learn their flavor.wrote:SirCakez post_id=13678132 time=1677893049 user_id=26092]
Once at night, you may visit another player and you will be told if they are wicked or not.-
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Do it.In post 627, Here There Be Dragons wrote: I was gonna call ircher scum but then his post improved so I won't... Yet-
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Please tell me why Ircher is in this category.In post 631, Alisae wrote: Anyway {Ircher, Wave, Dragons, Kokichi, Stephan} are all town especially on Marashu flip. If there's someone I'm wrong on here I think it's likely Ircher but so far I really don't think so.
I agree that you and Dragons because it took both of you outing a failed action on Marashu to stop this from being either of the other being roleblocked. I am on board with Stephen, and I think that Kokichi will be answered with time regardless, so sure.-
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I just really struggle to read his interactions with me and up to his most recent post, and see where he is actually asking:In post 636, Alisae wrote:
responding to me with "why are you asking me this?" I feel like does not come from a wolf when it happens but I mean like ya i can be wrong here. Probably more wrong than me on PP and Flea tbh and those slots haven't really done much of anything.In post 634, Wavelength wrote: Please tell me why Ircher is in this category.
Would a townie be asking me these questions, why would a townie care, would scum be asking me these questions, why would scum care?
And instead he is just assigning a scum read to me for being a thorn in his side.-
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Do you actually have any reads you want to share, or are you in full anti-spew mode atp?In post 671, Marashu wrote: I say I'm not ascetic. You say I'm not ascetic. So we agree on that. I really can't help on anything else involving that. I might as well full claim, though, since I can at least read the writing on the wall.
I'm Heihei. Novice Roleblocker - novice is because I'm "eating rocks for some reason" and am too stupid to act. Roleblock flavour is annoying chicken squacking.-
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Well, the disappeared thing with Kokichi appears not to have been the work of Kokichi-
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But, it also does not seem like it makes sense for it to be from the scum team, since Marashu flipped janitor.
So, 3rd party?-
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PB, why were you so confidently world building with the idea of 2 scum and a 3rd party?In post 682, Pink Ball wrote: assuming there's a 2 scumteam and maybe a third party for balance
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Right, but I am now wondering if there is a 3rd party doing the disappearing act, and wondering if him thinking a 2 man scum team was from him either :
-Being scum in a 2 man scum team, and therefore thinking there must be a 3rd party out there for that to make sense, or
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I was also thinking about this once I saw the Penguin disappeared post, either full mass claim or maybe flavor? idkIn post 795, Alisae wrote: Anyway I think I'm interested in a massclaim?
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None of his posts leading up the the very end of the day made any sense to me, coming from either alignment really, and left me kind of confused.In post 797, Alisae wrote: I'm so confused about Ircher's play yesterday tbh.
I think he was trying to "soft" being bulletproof at you during that conversation where he said his role was obvious, but you and PD did not get it, for what its worth.
Whether real or just an attempt to talk you out of shooting him, not sure, but that was what I gathered he was saying.-
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It was pretty clear that he was trying to get you to aim at PB instead of at himIn post 805, Alisae wrote: what good does softing bulletproof even do-
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Have you played in a 13 player game before that had a 2 man scum team?In post 810, Pink Ball wrote:
I thought 3 scum was too much but the scumflip talks about partners, plural, so my badIn post 794, Wavelength wrote:
PB, why were you so confidently world building with the idea of 2 scum and a 3rd party?In post 682, Pink Ball wrote: assuming there's a 2 scumteam and maybe a third party for balance
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I dont know. Like I said, his play at end of day left me fairly confused.In post 809, Alisae wrote:
I should probably rephraseIn post 807, Wavelength wrote:
It was pretty clear that he was trying to get you to aim at PB instead of at himIn post 805, Alisae wrote: what good does softing bulletproof even do
what good does softing bp do to make him look better
Probably best to just let him come in an answer this-
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I am Apollo Justice from the Ace Attorney games.
First ability functionally made me novice (I had to use this ability night 1 psyching myself up for court lol)
2 shot invest to see if someone has killed or tried to kill so far this game.
2 shot flavor cop.
I used my kill invest on Ircher last night. I kind of figured that with his miller claim specifically saying it worked for trackers, then if he was he was setting himself up to be doing the night kill night 1, but my result was that he has not tried to kill. So part of why I am not sure what to do with him anymore.
Side note, this is why I put Amici to E-1. I saw his flavor cop claim, and did not expect there to be two town flavor cops. I kind of thought I was going to have to claim the flavor cop day 2, but literally no one asked me why I voted amici lol-
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I can flavor cop PB if we really want their flavor and they keep refusing to claim it.
But I kind of think that my last kill invest could basically be nearly a cop shot with 1 scum down, so that might need to be a night 4 activity-
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I think that PB's role also just... looks like 3rd party, and so maybe we don't wait that long-
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I am kind of debating whether we should kill PB today, or actually give him a chance to kill of Penguin Power before we do, since PP is in the PoE too-
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It does not feel like a third party should be able to reach win con on Night 3, so not really sure if there is a big down side to waiting a day. But I might be missing something-
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I was already thinking that PB was a third party because of his posts end of day 2, and this is like the most third party looking role I have ever seen, and it is hard to believe that we have two town vigs (and if he can just kill them in their sleep, this is a vig with extra steps if town)In post 837, Pink Ball wrote: I want to target someone else I have to either wake one up (bring them back to the game) or let them in their dreams forever (kill them and they flip normally).-
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Oh, I missed this when I skimmed, so ignore what I said about getting his flavor if he refuses to claim itIn post 860, Pink Ball wrote: Ah whatever I already said my flavor is funny so I got your expectations up and it won't be funny now.
I'm this kid:
My action is called endless dream-
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Okay, did a proper read.
@PB I would also like Kokichi and Penguin's full claims.
Can you tell me why you used your power night one to stop a night kill and then used it night 2 to grab scum? Like, how are you approaching your power?
Also, could you have released Kokichi last night? You said you could do it tonight and take someone else right? Why did you keep Kokichi?
@Ali, I seem to remember you mentioned having another ability other then just your kill at some point? Have you claimed that?-
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