Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Gimli]

thats about std and to kokichi

[Gimli]

thats his playerstyle

I dont see him solving, I find him opportunistic

he jumped on my wagon and im sure as a townie he wouldnt think im scummy

why wouldn't he? Why him in particular would he not see you scummy when others could?

He is good town

He's seem me play both roles quite extensively

I mean you can be town and on a tunnel, I'm sure you think your case is good but it's not and since my wagon picked up, I think std placed an opportunistic vote there

[Gimli]

[Gimli]

the followers know who kira is

thats why i thought kokichi and black were your followers

i wouldn't attack you if im a follower of someone else's kira

like this is page 41 you still don't know this

game got too exasperating now...

Can you talk about why you wouldn't attack them if you were a follower of someone else's Kira?
I don't understand that.

Sorry that was word salad on my part, kawaii have me brain freeze

[Gimli]

Eh maybe

I'm too tired to argue guys

Is this what you want to flip today, Vander?

[Gimli]

Im baffled you think that case was any good

[Gimli]

He is clearly a new player fwiw

I brought up his experience when I was hard casing him.

[Gimli]

Std wagon hopping here points to scum

I don't think Vander had much of a point saying it was a slip by kawaii, ofc he believed in it, but I think std only voted there cause he saw momentum gaining on that wagon again

[Gimli]

I rly don't buy that you're town this game anymore

[Gimli]

You're opportunistically wagon hopping, I'm seeing what you're doing

Why did you vote me?

[Gimli]

Thats the worst tinfoil you could possibly come up with congratulations

[Gimli]

Yes I have to kira why don't you kill me and find out

[Gimli]

I know it's okay you're just rly exhausting to deal with but you're just playing and that's okay

[Gimli]

I know it's okay you're just rly exhausting to deal with but you're just playing and that's okay

Dude, if you are town, I cannot be the first person to play bad around you. Why are you calling me out like this? Why am I even exhausting? Because I suck? smh

I'm not saying you suck but you're tiring me

I don't mind it but this game is hard already without getting tunneled and you've been like just interpreting everything as meaning I'm scum

[Gimli]

Don't read my ISO with food poisoning

[Gimli]

Don't read my ISO with food poisoning

Perhaps a good idea. We'll see.

My ISO is such a mess, HPE. Cant you just read into my soul and trust I'm a townie this game just like the last two?

[Gimli]

But a follower who doesn't know the followers know kira?

[Gimli]

Kawaii can really only be kira imo

[Gimli]

Kawaii can really only be kira imo

Why do you feel Kawaii Kira is the only option?
I want to see what your opinion changes to when the day fails to end with my elimination, if I'm eliminated

I meant that as a follower you'd know the setup better

you can be either kira or townie.

[Gimli]

we can lim kawaii for wolfslipping like, a gazillion times already, and then be shocked when that doesn't end the game. my current theory is that he is a townie. but he can be kira, you already know what I think this game looks like when kawaii is just kira. (koki + one of black and hpe as followers).

we can lim kokichi? cause I don't think kokichi marries that meta read of his wrt my play being too confident to be a townie. that seems really shallow.

we can lim STD cause he is playing from the sidelines and his defense of mala is a bit too much

we can lim mala cause she is a little scummy and has weird associatives with STD

we can lim lorne cause fuck it lets lim lorne

we can lim meg cause fuck it lets lim meg

we can lim hpe cause fuck it lets lim hpe

we're left with (vander, black) as a non-lim pool atm.

and it's page 47 already...

I think we need to just flip someone at this point.

[Gimli]

kawaii is almost certainly not a town pr

so okay lets flip kawaii and deal with the consequences of that

[Gimli]

VOTE: kawaiikame

im really sorry if youre town you played a good game and hope to play a lot more with you, it's been fun <3

[Gimli]

nah im going with actual scummy

VOTE: save the dragons

how about that, can we do that? do we need convincing?

[Gimli]

okay I'm gonna case STD, this will actually be mostly me trying to convince myself his posts are actually scummy as opposed to std just being std, the unreadable fox I keep playing with

in a bit

[Gimli]

yeah IDK I like his ISO tbh

[Gimli]

I really don't know man. I don't think you're the game, but there's so much stuff you said that any of us would have to flip over it, and we're letting it slide. if you're scum at all you played it in a fantastically absurd manner and I think if you're kira you're the cutest tryhard scum newb kira I have ever played with

so idk. I don't think it's std either. idk where to go.

[Gimli]

I'm not against it

[Gimli]

he spent the entire game wanting to kill me

[Gimli]

that was some beetlejuicing

VOTE: malakittens

[Gimli]

if mala is kira then followers are std and lorne

check the vote-unvote lorne made on mala i feel that was some distancing so he doesnt look follow-y

[Gimli]

wow I think that feels like caught scum

[Gimli]

have a nice one mala you killer

[Gimli]

I think mala is hard scumposting

[Gimli]

lets put mala in E-1 and see what happens

[Gimli]

That's a great question and I think I would have to comb back over the thread to look for associatives. I've been under the impression Gimli is more likely to be a follower so I've been thinking more about who his Kira could be

my kira is vanderscamp obviously

[Gimli]

malakittens never plays this game like this as vt. she is either kira or one of the PRs.

that's my last thought for this game if you really wanna kill me. mala is my last answer as to who kira might be. flipping me is fine im just a vt, im a safe option.

[Gimli]

i'm uninformed mala

do you understand how I can't possibly decipher you

when you dont play

the game

at all

for days

[Gimli]

and then you come here all survivalistic, what does that look like?

[Gimli]

like this is so annoying

[Gimli]

VOTE: kawaii

okay flip this with me? maybe? im gonna die vt man

[Gimli]

malakittens never plays this game like this as vt. she is either kira or one of the PRs.

that's my last thought for this game if you really wanna kill me. mala is my last answer as to who kira might be. flipping me is fine im just a vt, im a safe option.

This is either a wolf post or a town post coming from someone that doesn't care about losing the game D1

Can we just send Gimli packing here?

the only reason why we're gonna lose is because you're thread captaining the game

[Gimli]

Why would town!Gimli be totally cool with losing the game D1?

let me explain something to you.

kira is survivalistic.

the investigator is survivalistic.

the assistant defends the investigator.

the followers defend the kira.

figuring out this game is hell. it's a very thin balance between trying to find kira while simultaneously not killing town PRs. they'll even claim similar stuff in similar circumstances.

[Gimli]

like you dont grasp the difficulty and then you punish me for playing

there's nothing else I can do and yeah I don't wanna force the town PRs to claim but there's barely any difference between a town PR and kira when it comes to the reaction to being wagoned and things like that

pedit: I don't really care about dying, its okay. you're not understanding where I'm coming from or you're scum, that's not for me to figure out.

[Gimli]

btw mala you're crumbing TPR really hard and then acting all insulted when I say it out loud. you're making me not wanna kill you cause you're softing TPR and then you wanna kill me cause I say you're clearly either TPR or scum for doing it.

I'm definitely not clearing you for the game you're playing here and if you're town that's horrible TPR play

[Gimli]

kira will always crumb TPR

follower will always save kira by hardclaiming assistant

you have to be aware of this stuff moving forward. you have to step on toes of people who are softing TPR because that's what kira's gonna do, push comes to shove.

[Gimli]

like you dont grasp the difficulty and then you punish me for playing

You're getting punished for not caring about losing the game D1 in your bloodthirsty attempt to win the game D1. Assuming you're town of course

But I think you're scum. And you admitting you don't care if you push a PR to claim makes me more than ok voting you off here

Like, we don't understand the difficulty? I don't think you do tbh. If you are town then the last thing we want D1 is the Detective/Assistant to have to claim. We can win the game if we don't catch Kira here but we more than likely LOSE the game if we force a PR to claim

what do you think kira will claim at E-1? what do you think kira's followers will do?

you better be prepared for shit hitting the fence in multiple ways if you wagon kira and kira gets to E-1.

[Gimli]

which will put the player at kira/detective range

and if they're detective they're outed detective on day 1

a follower may also claim detective. a kira may claim assistant and that they dont want to out the detective.

there are multiple situations that can happen

the important thing is that kira/followers might as well be crumbing TPR to avoid wagons on them, and have some kind of plan ready for when things heat up

[Gimli]

which means kira/followers/actual TPRs will play several multiple situations quite similarly

anyway

[Gimli]

Do the Kira followers who who each other are?

Or both Kira followers know who Kira is

where's everyone adminishing malakittens for not knowing the setup

[Gimli]

I was hoping for something whimsical myself

[Gimli]

I think kawaii has been incredibly towny in these pages so it can't be him, right?

I agree with his read on black and vander being townies

[Gimli]

VOTE: malakittens

I'm gonna just park here I think

lorne/std non entities as of late

pedit: why is mala town by default?

[Gimli]

so

final solve kira!mala std lorne traitors

I tried.

[Gimli]

std is always a wolf in this game and I think both him and lorne have extremely alarming interactions about malakittens

after I'm gone the game won't end cause im either vt or traitor. I suggest pushing the game hard against mala/lorne/std if you want to win it

[Gimli]

I'm voting mala

there's nothing conftown about her, she just crumbed PR

that's my final solve, I could be wrong, but so is everyone so lol

[Gimli]

VOTE: gimli I think I'm still on board with this

notice that std has never even once given any reason why he'd be scumreading me this game

that's what happens when a newb is so certain about everything, scum gets to coast and get easy af mislims

get std
get mala
get lorne

push the game there townies. <3

[Gimli]

your read on mala is crap and you know it

also you've backtracked it

but now you're happy to vote me for no reason

its fine you're just a wolf and you'll earn this w

pedit: lol yeah but really i think so

mala/std/lorne contains the scums

[Gimli]

@Gimli

Why did you call for v/la yesterday in the middle of getting called scum only to continue to post your normal amount? I'm not asking this to be like "oh you're def scum" but I'm wondering what that was about

I need a break from playing but this fucking gameday won't end

I have my thesis to write I thought I'd get to do it but games' too involving

tried putting v/la and walking out of them a bit but guess i can't

and yeah i dont wanna talk rl but just bc you asked

[Gimli]

I think I'm getting convinced of the arguments against you, gimli. In addition I think you are possibly deliberately causing chaos to help mask who kira is. I think you're likely a follower. Which sucks because I want kira but I'm okay with red means dead for now

Here's where I gave a reason

yeah no

you wouldn't parse me out with this logic idt

[Gimli]

what slots am I avoiding? how am I just throwing everything in thread to see what sticks? isn't it more likely I'm simply a townie trying to solve the game?

I'm not even willing to argue with that cause it's clearly just bad faith from your part.

[Gimli]

you otoh is just sitting here voting the biggest wagon everytime

unless of course that wagon is malakittens

[Gimli]

I'm either throwing shade everywhere or I'm avoiding slots on purpose

you're trying to have your cake and eat it too this is 100% scumposting lel

[Gimli]

the only time I went kinda mental itt was when I voted meg cause I was frustrated with people

my other votes have been mostly fixated on you, mala, kawaii (who I'm not coming to terms with just being town), sometimes kokichi

I've been townreading the same people for a while now and my progression on slots is clear from my posting

you're trying to paint me as the bad things black thinks of me and you wouldn't do that if you were town, you'd simply know better

[Gimli]

kawaii isn't scummy

[Gimli]

kawaii isn't scummy

you'd also be townreading at least partially the things kawaii is doing here if you were town

you're just hopping on the easy wagons you think have the most chance of going through with 0 attempts at real scumhunting

[Gimli]

it would be a compromise wagon, I'm saying I think he is a townie while voting him, its in all my posting. how is that scummy?

[Gimli]

Hey, Gimli.

What the fuck was all this?

you need to ask me especifically what part of it you're confused about

[Gimli]

Spoiler: my vote and reasoning for going kawaii

we can lim kawaii for wolfslipping like, a gazillion times already, and then be shocked when that doesn't end the game. my current theory is that he is a townie. but he can be kira, you already know what I think this game looks like when kawaii is just kira. (koki + one of black and hpe as followers).

we can lim kokichi? cause I don't think kokichi marries that meta read of his wrt my play being too confident to be a townie. that seems really shallow.

we can lim STD cause he is playing from the sidelines and his defense of mala is a bit too much

we can lim mala cause she is a little scummy and has weird associatives with STD

we can lim lorne cause fuck it lets lim lorne

we can lim meg cause fuck it lets lim meg

we can lim hpe cause fuck it lets lim hpe

we're left with (vander, black) as a non-lim pool atm.

and it's page 47 already...

I think we need to just flip someone at this point.

kawaii is almost certainly not a town pr

so okay lets flip kawaii and deal with the consequences of that

VOTE: kawaiikame

im really sorry if youre town you played a good game and hope to play a lot more with you, it's been fun <3

nah im going with actual scummy

VOTE: save the dragons

how about that, can we do that? do we need convincing?

clearly not someone I'm scumreading

[Gimli]

Hey, Gimli.

What the fuck was all this?

you need to ask me especifically what part of it you're confused about

What motivated you to comically wagonhop and change reads multiple times in such a short span of time? Furthermore what is compelling you to do the same here and now with Kawaii/Mala? And don't say compromise wagon because that feels like a weak excuse for some rather erratic play considering how much you seemed to be townreading Kawaii. A compromise wagon on someone you very actively strongly townread is just weird as hell to me.

he is not a TPR probably and is someone people are scumreading. at this point it was a compromise with what vander and meg want, which are people I'm more (vander) or less (meg) townreading. it's not strange or weird to me, but maybe it is to you.

I'm wagonhopping a lot in these pages cause after I stopped tunneling kawaii I needed to figure out where scum probably was. I repeat where I think they are: std, lorne, and malakittens. you do what you will with this read.

[Gimli]

@std: IDK if you're not paying attention or if I went bananas with trying to solve and I'm stuck in HMS mutiny again where no one cares what I post anymore, but I'm the easiest townread of your life if you do understand all the shit I'm doing here.

[Gimli]

I think calling me not present is disingenuous. I think stating you can't be chaotic and ignoring certain slots at the same time is taking my argument in bad faith. I'm having trouble seeing a reason to townread your play.

what have you pushed that wasn't easy af low hanging fruit this game?

you pushed kokichi when it was cool to push him
you pushed kawaiikame when it was cool to push him
you're pushing me when I'm everyone's favorite dish

[Gimli]

when its popular to do so

[Gimli]

Is it popular to push you

yes I almost got eliminated here

[Gimli]

back at finding the townies as well. HPE's posts are fine, also its reaction to re-reading me and malakittens, feels like its solving from a genuine standpoint.

[Gimli]

what have you pushed that wasn't easy af low hanging fruit this game?

Would you mind answering this about yourself?

I'm not engaging with you this gameday anymore for the sake of the thread. you think I'm a wolf and that everything I do is wolf, and that's okay. we talk tomorrow or I flip today.

[Gimli]

Without ISOing her first can you tell me why she feels townie?

Gonna be real with you it's just kinda vibes and also their opening post which as Gimli pointed out is very likely not a post that Kira would make imo. This should come as exactly why this one needs to go and do a proper ISO to get more than "uhh... feels town "

feels so good to read someone agreeing with me on that

[Gimli]

kira koki would kill kawaii

[Gimli]

koki kira kills kawaii

[Gimli]

hi im drunk

[Gimli]

Yes

Do you feel it's worth the risk of getting a potential Mala Kira even if she may be the Detective?
Idk how much hope we will have of killing Kira within the day if Mala is the 2nd option

I think Mala is sufficiently scummy and her detective softing is so blatant that at this point if she doesn't vig someone I would just lim her.

I agree with this and I want to thank you for shattering the idea that I was being antitown for 'hunting PRs' when her softing was extremely blatant and it's not my fault for picking up on it/its not like i was outing her or anything

[Gimli]

And I still have no idea why you scumread me, I've asked you before and you haven't answered

im not scumreading you its more like an associative for a possible world where mala is kira

but would I lim you? yeah probably, hpe is right that you're a NAI goofball, you can be anything

[Gimli]

who do you think is scum lorne

you didnt sign up just be charming you have to solve this fucking shit with us

[Gimli]

Yes

Do you feel it's worth the risk of getting a potential Mala Kira even if she may be the Detective?
Idk how much hope we will have of killing Kira within the day if Mala is the 2nd option

If no, I'm willing to be town's day elimination today
You won't win, but you won't lose, since I'm not Kira/the Detective

im hard defending you for the rest of this game you wonderful little towny slot

[Gimli]

std/mala are my favorite wagons

lets flip one of them

[Gimli]

all the scums will hardclaim PR, that's why I would never back down just because you're crumbing it

[Gimli]

I was also being open about your range being pr or scum because I'm sometimes good at mafia and I'm a townie and I'm being open about everything I'm seeing so we can solve the game

[Gimli]

I was also being open about your range being pr or scum because I'm sometimes good at mafia and I'm a townie and I'm being open about everything I'm seeing so we can solve the game

if there's an assistant who knows the investigator is not mala then this person knows mala is scum, fwiw.

[Gimli]

mala is not the detective because her potential assistants (std and lorne) literally made distancing posts about her

she can be the assistant but idk if she's been crumbing any type of townread necessarily

[Gimli]

black
vander
kawaii
koki

HPE
meg

lorne

std
mala

[Gimli]

maybe hpe over koki but i think koki's reaction to mala here is very towny indeed

[Gimli]

Vander is still town and I'm town even if mala is assistant

You're all doing very poorly rn imo

[Gimli]

We can wait on a cc and Lim elsewhere if there isn't one

But like neither the claim nor a cc guarantee anything

Claiming assistant is 100% a scum move though, y'all bad for taking it at face value

[Gimli]

You're all doing very poorly rn imo

Same to you lol

It's the most convenient claim for a wolf here, you're vote parking a townie slot

[Gimli]

A wolf can't claim detective cause they have to shoot

The most convenient claim for mala is assistant

Anyway

[Gimli]

Yeah and the real Assistant will speak up if she's lying

So anyway

a follower can also CC, insta limming mala just because there was a CC would also be bad so it depends on who does it and how much we believe that claim

since it'll go unflipped we can't know what's up

[Gimli]

stop piling votes on vanderscamp he is not scum just because mala claimed a PR

even if mala is a tpr vander has been super towny about all that stuff and blaming him or me for 'outing PR' is a stupidity.

[Gimli]

another scumpost by std

'is there anyone left' lmao yeah there's a lot of players left. meg, vanderscamp and hpe didn't post after mala claimed

[Gimli]

black is towny and you're not

[Gimli]

I'm saying vander is my kira for a while now, that's not a novel read that's not interesting solve and doesn't make you town

yes I've been consistently townreading everything vander does since the very beginning of the game because I think he is town, but no one else has to guess that's just a read, maybe he is my kira

and I'm defending him here because the push against him is for bad reasons, since mala can absolutely still be scum

if there's no CC we flip elsewhere, but I'm not flipping vander with y'all. you can do it thinking he is my kira without me but the reasoning for scumreading vander is bad. just for association with me and because of this thing with mala where he was being absolutely towny about it imo

[Gimli]

Yeah Gimli doesn't think I could be the detective so he has no reason to push me. You Lorne and mala though? All possible detective candidates

they're literally my POE, man

[Gimli]

I wish you could stop being so obsessed with this scumread but its okay you're just playing mafia

[Gimli]

it's okay, you're just playing mafia. but everytime I'm here I'm having to look at your avatar and look at you casing me. in everything, in every post, from every angle. it gets tiresome after a while. but its okay you're just doing your thing, I just wish you'd look elsewhere for a while but I'm your solve so you can't

[Gimli]

and now you're reading the game all upside down because you're scumreading people you'd definitely be townreading like fucking vanderscamp the towniest slot in the game

[Gimli]

you're voting vanderscamp over PIKACHUUUUUUUUUUUUU you know

and you won't read anything I post, its just from these glasses that im a wolf doing it that you interpret the game, I can't get a single thought across you

[Gimli]

Black it's just ATE Gimli's trying anything he can to get out of it because he's scum

I can't tell if you legit think this or if you are just making fun of my reads

I'm telling you he is scum I wish I could actually flip so you could get out of the tunnel and see something as simple as std being scum in this game

[Gimli]

I just said I was tired because I'm tired, I'm not trying to look emotional or anything it's just physically tiring to deal with. as I said it's okay black is just playing the game. when you say I'm AtEing it almost feels as if I'm doing something toxic here to get townread, which I wouldn't as scum and I do my best to never cross that line and getting emotional as town. but yes it's draining to deal with black.

[Gimli]

i just think you're being strategic. that's all.

I also think you're scum and you're being strategic and you're trying to throw filthy mudballs in my direction when I'm talking it out with a townie.

[Gimli]

lets kill that slot

[Gimli]

@mala you ok with it?

[Gimli]

VOTE: lorne malvo

may you rest in pieces

[Gimli]

63 page flipless on day 1, do you want a replacement?

nobody townreads lorne, really

he can be kira
he can be follower
he played associatively both with std and with malakittens

I know that's what I want so it becomes what you don't want by default but it's a perfect d1 flip

[Gimli]

i don't think i want to lim lorne slot today

this is crumbing that lorne is the detective

im gonna say it before everyone pretends bullshit

[Gimli]

he played associatively both with std and with malakittens

He played associatively with the claimed Assistant so he's probably scum instead of Detective? What?

his association with malakittens comes from his end not from mala's, I think he can be the follower to mala's kira

if that's the case then the game ends anyway with a CC right now

even if he is town, its a fine flip imo

but ofc mala not wanting it makes it a hard go unless someone CCs

[Gimli]

I think if mala goes un'CCed she can kingmake the game and flip me, or flip vanderscamp if she thinks he is my kira

otherwise the real assistant CCs and we play into that.

[Gimli]

if no one cc's mala she should pick the kill

[Gimli]

I've never seen someone get so defensive over being tunneled on. Like legit everytime I post something about you being scum you just call me bad? And you think I'm exhausting?

It's the AtE he was claiming I was doing earlier day 1. Funny how the tables turn

when have I said anything like that?

[Gimli]

UNVOTE: wanna think about it some more

if koki is scum, that's exactly the type of manipulation tactics I expect him to use and make people feel insecure and lots of other bad things. he has no reason to bring up past games w/ you just to complain about your reads in that game.

he is also doing that w/ me, saying I'm only scumreading him because I'm scared of being fooled. it's simply undermining our leans with things that are not this game. in this game, kokichi is scummy, and doing these things fits with his scum range. I expect town koki to try and talk on the level of where the conversations are instead of doing this.

when have I said AtE or anything like that? you were bringing up past games to complain about how people play, 1) that's fucking lame and 2) that could be scum tactics. that's not an appeal to emotion and it has nothing to do with what I was doing which is just telling black that he is tiring me.

[Gimli]

vanderscamp didnt say anything neither did meg

wait a bit

[Gimli]

telling black that he is tiring me.

she*

my apologies, for some reason I never saw your pronouns before

[Gimli]

noone is gonna cc me you scumbutt.

wait for vander then I'll try to plead you not kill us both

[Gimli]

well if you're set on that, then go ahead, but only AFTER everyone's checked in and no one CC'ed you

[Gimli]

NM are you the assistant?

[Gimli]

if mala is the assistant I think we lose this game like 9 out of 10 times because I'm town and I'm pretty sure vanderscamp is town and it's just a bad spot guys I'm sorry

[Gimli]

vander's ISO isn't giving me assistant vibes lmao fucking vt

[Gimli]

since im reading this game backwards, maybe yeah

[Gimli]

he really feels like the towniest only not as towny as you

[Gimli]

I think kira is gonna feel scummy at least at some point

Did you scumread any parts of Vander's play? I feel like he's been towny throughout

[Gimli]

those who are voting me unvote me now

i'm trying to get my skill to be used

and then i get my answer and i'm letting the day vig go through

You already used the skill, allegedly, you don't need to be unvoted

[Gimli]

If this kills kira then I played the most insanely scumsiding but somehow perfect village idiot and deserve a scummy for it

[Gimli]

What happens here?

Like I know this is a fake order, presumably we don't have to wait for the mod to confirm that, right?

We surely have to wait I think

[Gimli]

Although if the action is real, it already went through

[Gimli]

If enchant post like a votecount or something and ignores it then we just flip mala

[Gimli]

I still think mala is lying and trying to bait the detective here lmao

But it could be just wanting to be right

It's a very devastating game for me if mala is town and Vander is scum

[Gimli]

Oh well I guess she was the detective after all

[Gimli]

thinking about it now

i prob should have holstered

i'm sorry town

im wondering if the kira is someone that is highly townread that vander felt very confident to do this

I think your play was good

[Gimli]

if game doesnt end with vander dead then we'll see who he pushed hard and those slots are confirmed not kira

we have ONE shot at doing that though so things will be ridiculous next gameday

I'll... try... not to die

but it's an uphill battle given how scumread my slot is

[Gimli]

I just hope vander is kira lol

there's no defense for me, I'm sorry black we're definitely gonna lose if the game doesn't end right now

[Gimli]

I find it pretty funny that you have called out multiple people for playing bad, awful, etc and your main townread is scum

your main scumread is town though

[Gimli]

I don't think I admonished people like you're suggesting. I called you bad a few times cause of your tunnel and I called mala's PR play bad cause well I mean it outed her

I wasn't the only person outing mala, she crumbed PR very heavily into the thread

its a hard game and like, figuring out what kind of informed posting comes from PR or from scum is fucking hard thing to do

[Gimli]

I think (meg, koki, HPE) works as a kira pool. we know what std is by now, and I think there's at least a bit of sussing on lorne from vander that makes lorne unlikely to be kira. but anyway I'll check that tomorrow.

he interacts to and about kokichi a lot but it's always kinda softballing to him, it could be partner-y

I guess between those three the one I've scumread partially has been kokichi so he'll be my mais focus for tomorrow

[Gimli]

yes

[Gimli]

yeah I see HPE is being very reserved around this... twilight?

[Gimli]

we are so fucked

I hope our NAs help somewhat

[Gimli]

I wonder if kokichi thought kawaii was his follower and was defending him because of that

[Gimli]

Yes let me just beetlejuice the mods

I DONT HAVE THAT POWER OK

AOMEONE PUT ME IN JAIL SI I SURVIVE

GOGIGIGIOOO

wait what

[Gimli]

So a few things:


Mala knows she's outed and this is a play from her to try and out the detective.
Please try not to react in obvious ways.

I don't want to say a lot about this but it blows my mind that anyone is thinking Mala is real here. I'm never claiming this as Kira so if she's real she's outing as detective D1 to shoot someone who almost certainly isn't Kira, which doesn't make any sense.


The actual play here we do now btw is we all vote Mala.
Either I die to the vig shot, which won't happen, or we get proof that Mala is lying, in which case we should just be snap limming her and moving on.

oof

I'm glad you're town, I'd be eating so much rope for my d1 if you weren't

let's give it a second for enchant to at least be awake and then we'll vote mala and move on

STD/lorne contains the other scums imo

[Gimli]

you just said you were lying and you dont have that power

[Gimli]

we dont need to discuss, once enchant shows up we'll know

[Gimli]

So a few things:


Mala knows she's outed and this is a play from her to try and out the detective.
Please try not to react in obvious ways.

I don't want to say a lot about this but it blows my mind that anyone is thinking Mala is real here. I'm never claiming this as Kira so if she's real she's outing as detective D1 to shoot someone who almost certainly isn't Kira, which doesn't make any sense.


The actual play here we do now btw is we all vote Mala.
Either I die to the vig shot, which won't happen, or we get proof that Mala is lying, in which case we should just be snap limming her and moving on.

oof

I'm glad you're town, I'd be eating so much rope for my d1 if you weren't

let's give it a second for enchant to at least be awake and then we'll vote mala and move on

STD/lorne contains the other scums imo

Gimli, you seem quick to believe him before anything's even

happened

.

thats gimli for u

[Gimli]

you just said you were lying and you dont have that power

Yes let me just beetlejuice the mods

I DONT HAVE THAT POWER OK

AOMEONE PUT ME IN JAIL SI I SURVIVE

GOGIGIGIOOO

You could technically interpret that as being what Mala meant, but there's also the context of this one talking about PMing the mods, which Mala ALSO mentions. "I don't have that power ok" could be "I can't summon the mods." or "I don't actually have Condemn."

but 'someone put me in jail if I survive' puts it in the context of not being the detective, don't you think?

[Gimli]

I just think mala is scum and vander is town now but we don't have to be arguing about it

if mala is scum the game is easy. just kill std tomorrow and the game ends.

if mala is town we're fucked

[Gimli]

mala is scum and trolling everyone

gnight

[Gimli]

ah, well, maybe vander was operating on the thin expectation that mala was trolling as a townie

if she is trolling she is scum

otherwise vander is dead whatever vander is

at least he'll flip publicly

[Gimli]

ah, well, maybe vander was operating on the thin expectation that mala was trolling as a townie

if she is trolling she is scum

otherwise vander is dead whatever vander is

at least he'll flip publicly

Who is Kira if Mala is follower? Who is Kira if Vander is follower?

if mala is follower its std
if vander is follower I think its mala's POE (you, hpe, meg)

and like a really fucking hard game if mala is detective unfortunately

[Gimli]

yeah its too bad

[Gimli]

pls be scum?

[Gimli]

I also think its HPE

today will be crazy cause even if we're right the other follower will try to get killed

[Gimli]

nice avatar black

[Gimli]

I had the stalker/getting really close whatever ability thing. but I didn't realise it was a day ability? so I didn't send in my action sorry

I know that's really convenient but I just misread my ability

[Gimli]

'clingy'

[Gimli]

there's a nonzero chance our boy vanderscamp thought I was a follower

[Gimli]

which I think points to HPE much more than kokichi, for isntance, because I was pushing kokichi rather strongly in the beginning of the game

[Gimli]

I was clearly scumreading things wrongly, because I thought the followers would treat kira a certain way that'd be actual openwolfing.

we have the possibility of one clear in this game by the assistant outing. if no cc we have a clear town which is good.

[Gimli]

yeah kawaii is definitely not kira

[Gimli]

I think kawaii is very clear but I don't think kokichi is clear, I'd have to ISO vander to figure out if this is meaningful or not. I think not.

[Gimli]

sigh

hey did you receive any action today black? I targeted you with my ability now so I guess it went through and you know my name

[Gimli]

lmao the plot thickens

[Gimli]

my initial reaction is that flipping HPE is very good baseline we have for today, because she is 100% outed with this result, yes? with the difficulty being wether it is kira or it is a follower.

[Gimli]

sigh

hey did you receive any action today black? I targeted you with my ability now so I guess it went through and you know my name

Nothing yet. I'll confirm once I get the PM

enchant phrased my role like a potato, so its not rly my fault, but the action only resolves at night. so yeah oops.

[Gimli]

5. Clingy. Once, at day, you will watch target closely. It means really closely, that they will learn your Real Name. If target performs any role ability next night, then you will learn about this fact, but not which ability was used. Target are notified about this.

how wouldnt i think they would learn my real name at day?

[Gimli]

lmao at hpe spewing me not kira after being outed scum

[Gimli]

I'm glad HPE is hard posting d2 cause I think it means we got this

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

[Gimli]

mala made a POE that literally excluded me and included both kokichi and HPE

[Gimli]

as a follower

we're not follower hunting

[Gimli]

I think hpe's push against me is looking too much like a wolf telegraphing what the plan for the gameday is

but I'm not sure if it's kira, I think it could still be std, it could still be meg. I just think hpe is behaving like the most kira rn.

[Gimli]

as a follower

we're not follower hunting

And we're not calling you a Follower, now are we?

you're trying to pretend like malakittens thought it was me, when she especifically said its never me

[Gimli]

does it look to anyone else like koki is trying to draw the elimination to himself? by daring us a whole lot like this

[Gimli]

Either way, this one does not think Gimli is currently posting in good faith, considering his premature callings of 'outed scum' which he refused to elaborate on, and 1903 which has zero basis in reality.

that I agree with anyway

[Gimli]

hmm, I'm not so sure its a good idea for kira!hpe to limit its shot so much by doing a superpush on me

otoh I think maybe it would do that, thinking its a good idea

im open to the possibility of hpe believing that push though

I still think many people can be kira

but its as kawaii said, all in all im ready to live and die by mala's reads cause i clearly have a poor handle of a game with these dynamics in play

[Gimli]

it can easily be std

[Gimli]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

huh? why is that?

[Gimli]

hmm, I'm not so sure its a good idea for kira!hpe to limit its shot so much by doing a superpush on me

HPE has been posturing to push you since yesterday btw. It's the only wincon for Kira here...mislim the scummiest townie. The overnight note trying to appear anonymous was meant to be a springboard for it but kawaii ruined that

this can easily come from a follower

die or kill, make it a 1v1, win either way

[Gimli]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

huh? why is that?

[Gimli]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

huh? why is that?

Do your ass an ISO read and you'll see that StD and Vanderscamp agree like, once. Vanderscamp calls StD's reaction good and then most of their interactions are disagreements, Vander including StD in solve lists for Kira/Followers, and by the end during twilight just openly saying that he thinks StD is a Follower to a lying Kira!Mala. They have zero synergy, yet nor are they keeping distance.

which means they've been avoiding each other almost as much as vanderscamp has been avoiding you

and you're defending std which you probably have no reason to as kira

so you're either a townie or a follower and std is kira?

[Gimli]

So please, at least have the dignity to meet me head on instead of trying to go OOOOH IT COULD BE ANYONEEEEE when you know damn well what's up.

if you're a follower this is a very good way to play and its why I like playing with you

VOTE: savethedragons

this is where I'm at atm.

[Gimli]

MEET ME HEAD ON

yeah no lol ty for the offer...

HPE isn't behaving like kira at all, lets be honest

[Gimli]

HPE, who are your Kira candidates other than Gimli?

The only actually viable candidate is me. It is either this one or Gimli, even it can see that.

is that too blatant to be an actual follower? haha idrk I think you spewed std kira though

[Gimli]

and you're defending std which you probably have no reason to as kira

I disagree. You are the easiest mislim today, not StD. Kira could townread someone they know is town to keep the list focused on you

kira wants to keep their options open

hpe just said its literally either me or it. don't you find that incredibly strange?

[Gimli]

hpe is trying to limbat so hard here black, that's my impression anyway.

[Gimli]

I think I struck a nerve when I brought up std and hpe's reaction was very telling, I don't think it reacts like that to anyone else being brought up here unless it feels the need to defend that slot. that's why I think hpe telegraphed std as kira, and I really do think std has been just scummy the entire game but I think that of him every game...

if you all prefer hpe that's fine but I don't think so atm.

[Gimli]

i kinda think hpe would have tried to strike down any slot you suggested, you just happened to pick me

either you're kira and hpe is pure and it is correct and wants to lim you

or hpe is kira and is trying hard to lim you specifically because that's its plan for looking townie

im having trouble seeing other possibilities

we can both be town, one of us can be a follower and the other town. show me your work on how you can have this POE of two people as possible kira. can't be kokichi, can't be meg, can't be not_mafia?

[Gimli]

Before this post Gimli had HPE in his townlock. Nothing indicated he had a follower or a scumread on HPE at all, and then this post happened

my idea on HPE there was specifically being kawaii's follower, cause of that post where it was defending him but it wasn't defending him that looked like crazy word salad talk, and I thought she gained a lot of equity specifically as kawaii's follower there.

I think if you wanna look at my d1 through lens of hpe being my kira you can certainly make the case for it. I do suggest you understand why I'm saying her behaviour now makes more sense as follower than as kira, because the reality is that I'm town and I'm trying to convey pure towny thoughts to you.

[Gimli]

std has done nothing all game

not one game advancing thought

agrees with whatever is popular at any given time

[Gimli]

i defended mala cuz i thought she was town, i didn't jump on the popular belief that we should kill her

then you called her posts bad at some point

when shit hit the fan with the claims and the investigator kill you just went like 'i'll wait for reveals'

playing an absolutely safe game

also you'd townread mala to pocket her, I think.

I have more reasons to think you're kira than to think hpe is kira, at any rate. I'll check meg and NM at some point.

[Gimli]

POSSIBLY KIRA

1. Gimli (Teru Mikami)
2. Kokichi Oma (Thierry Morrello)
3. HighPrincessErinys (Shuichi Aizawa)
4. Save The Dragons (Raye Penber)
5. MegAzumarill (Quillsh Wammy)
6. Not_Mafia (Mihael Keehl)

NOT KIRA

1. Black (Misa Amane)
2. KawaiiKame (Hideki Ide)

agreed

[Gimli]

you're playing like kira would. safe throughout the game, not a single wave, not a single push that wasn't thread consensus. even today you're like 'hpe or gimli' lol. this is not your towngame.

hpe is playing like a follower would, trying 1v1s, being loud, acting obtusely. I don't think that's how kira would behave.

so I think it's just you. I may or may not have time to look at other slots, but I'm okay with my solve and I'm ok with being wrong.

[Gimli]

you're playing similarly to your bug game in gnosia

[Gimli]

yes it was, very safe and very consensus both times. you were getting behind the main pushers everytime. when you were pushing kawaii, I was the one doing it loudly. when you were pushing kokichi, I was the loud one. when you were pushing me, it was black's doing. you're not getting your hands dirty. you're playing from the sidelines. you're agreeing with whatever is convenient throughout the game.

[Gimli]

have I caused chaos today? really? I'm just posting, I'm playing my game.