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Post #50 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:44 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
the "you win when there are only 2 players alive" in the minion and demon role pms is very confusing to me, isn't the wincon just the demon survives until endgame? and why doesn't the game end when there are 2 town/2 scum? do the minion and demon not know each other?
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Post #59 (isolation #11) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:50 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
it's probably not something they want to do then i guess, maybe creating a vortox could be useful just...enchant might decide that they lose the game. lol
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Post #66 (isolation #13) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:00 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 60, AniX wrote:
You might if they have a lot of heat on them. Remember, dead players can still talk, so it might be worth it to a Demon to sacrifice Minion's ability to 1. get the heat off them (since now they seem good since they were demon killed) and 2. get this consolation prize.
my interpretation of the ability is that is that you basically get a permanent roleblock instead of a nightkill, in which case why not just kill the townie? your scenario makes some sense, but i don't see how they're sacrificing the minion's ability
In post 18, AniX wrote:
Oh, wait, there is only one minion in the game. I don't know why I keep thinking there is 2. Nothing I said is WRONG but certainly "Minions know all other Minions" is...superfluous.
I'll buy this as a genuine dumbtell
i maybe disagree but i think it's towny to point this out
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Post #81 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:26 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
VOTE: anix
people tend to be under the illusion that the threat of elimination generates reads but in basically every game many reads are generated when there is no threat of elimination
Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?
this leans town imo
scum you better start faking townslips
What do you mean?
i think you probably genuinely didn't know those 2 things that scum would know, making you town. given that multiple people have townslipped, I joked that the scum should probably fake a townslip so they can look town too.
Vander, I get it, but also I'm pretty lost about the mech and my questions have gotten me to understand a lot more about how the game works, idk how much the scum benefit from it
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Post #168 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:57 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
i'm surprised people don't think scum would fakeclaim in a game with no flips; regardless, nurse was a super strong townread of mine so i'm happy limming anix.
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Post #176 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:53 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
why is swapping alignments so bad for town? the person who was previously a demon can claim, so we know what happened right? and yeah they get poisoned, but if you're not going to use your ability anyway that doesn't seem like a big deal.
this is a strange claim to make as scum, but it's also strange as town, so.
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Post #185 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:04 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 178, AniX wrote:
Well, once the Demon reveals himself, I have a different wincon and I wouldn't want that to happen.
so? i don't get what you're saying here, if you're just playing to the town wincon while you have a town role, swapping alignments isn't a disaster and the risk seems well well worth it. if you're playing to try to win the game, which is probably what i would do, it's even less bad to swap alignments because you're just playing a normal game as scum with town down 1 pr.
if we're agreeing to lim anix here, we can try to maximize flowergirl and town crier. though i'm not sure if you can actually vote without nominating? that would make things more complicated
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Post #208 (isolation #37) » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:05 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
oh you're saying now that anix claimed. yeah wait wouldn't we want to leave anix alive then? though maybe that's part of the gambit idk especially if the demon is someone who fucks with roles
Because it would obviously be Anix since they already claimed snake charmer. So if they swap with the demon then Anix is the demon.
but before anix claimed we wouldn't know, which is what anix was talking about
now i'm wondering why it's not correct to claim snake charmer at the start of the game under that mindset? i think you have to play to winning the game not just your current wincon cause yeah
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Post #217 (isolation #40) » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:40 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
well the point is, while you're the snake charmer you're town, so you want town to win even if you flip alignments and end up losing. i think that was anix's mindset?
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Post #273 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:10 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 271, PiggyGal15 wrote:
I am a little baffled why people want to end the day early when there's still nominations and discussions to have? I get that we can talk during night too, but I don't think ending day early should be such a rush.
i tend to agree with this, but no one is actually talking and i don't know how to get the game moving, so
Fun fact my ass literally doesn't have a choice. This one is Klutz and it is now everyone's problem. Let's get down to business.
Do you have to pick an alive player?
If you don't, Anix is conf town from my POV and soon to be everyone's POV unless infinity wants to deny being a twin.
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Post #356 (isolation #53) » Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:08 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
Infinity refusing to counter-claim Twin is super-interesting. Infinity, if you are the other Twin, for God's sake claim. We need to kill one of you or Vander to win. I know it may seem like a Good town play to not counter-claim. It is not. Every Twin game where the Good Twin doesn't claim I have seen is a game where town loses.
I am not the twin. I already claimed Oracle. what is so confusing about this
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Post #358 (isolation #55) » Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:10 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
I'm still not sure exactly why vanderscamp claimed, but I would like to make it clear that there does not have to be a vortox here if vanderscamp is scum
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Post #360 (isolation #56) » Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:22 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
vanderscamp is doing a gambit. I guess the reason to gambit is that from town's pov, there's less risk to killing me than killing vander, because if they are town and we kill them town loses, whereas if you kill me the game keeps going. it's also an advantage to get the idea in people's heads that there's a vortox, which means that town can't trust their results. this claim also gives more credibility to anix.
what I would ask even if you elim me here is that you don't let vander just coast to endgame. since them being town requires there being a vortox, you might as well investigate them or whatever and see if that info is consistent at least.
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Post #417 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:17 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
if there does have to be a vortox, that means anix is town then right? i don't see why that's not the world we live in
i do think I have to be limmed today cause of Occam's razor, which is a bit frustrating because there's no way to know for sure that vander is lying, but I don't see what else we can do