mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Never trusting the yellow M&M again.
Even with a cop inno.
If there's a cop inno, I'll just assume you're godfather.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Why is Drew the yellow M&M?

[Gamma Emerald]

Every role PM is personalized

[Gamma Emerald]

It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

Impossible, me and HPE are already masons

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Theta Alpine
found scum already

[Gamma Emerald]

Never trusting the yellow M&M again.
Even with a cop inno.
If there's a cop inno, I'll just assume you're godfather.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Why is Drew the yellow M&M?

I realized I forgot to respond to this, but Drew can explain that reference.

The only Yellow M&M I know of is Alisae, that’s why I ask

[Gamma Emerald]

Aureal gets a D1 pass

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae will post a yellow M&M reaction image sometimes

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure e’s posted it before demon slayer

[Gamma Emerald]

we got the first 1 hour and 56 minutes out of the way, time really flies huh.

you all having fun?

I’m enjoying this game like fruit flies with a banana

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m down to speedwagon on Broccoli

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh no I broke the tags

It looks cool tho

[Gamma Emerald]

So hello everyone, is it too late for an RVS vote?

VOTE: Alianna Alphabetical after me...

Wow eight pages already..... meh

And so much colour, is that going to be

a

thing

in

this

game?

anyway, so seems many of you know each other and have game time, well I don't. brief game with Andante, Titus and Hu Tao, before being lim'd D1 but that's about it. In fact I think Titus joined the game after I was lim'd.

So.. what next?

oh yes my TZ is GMT +4, so probably will not be chatting live to many of you....

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?


UNVOTE:

Don’t underestimate the power of degen hours

[Gamma Emerald]

we got the first 1 hour and 56 minutes out of the way, time really flies huh.

you all having fun?

I’m enjoying this game like fruit flies with a banana

I like bananas, dose that make me a fruit fly?

@Skygazer. I will let you know if I am having fun in about eight days.

It was a joke because Skyg said time flies

[Gamma Emerald]

I no longer am interested in voting Broccoli

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

@Broccoli

might I suggest not worrying about correcting a post if you forget to color it in if it’s just a for-fun thing? It seems prone to causing thread bloat.

[Gamma Emerald]

being able to confidently say there’s 2 scum in that group of 3 seems wild

[Gamma Emerald]

being able to confidently say there’s 2 scum in that group of 3 seems wild

Oh it’s omgus

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I’ll trust

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Ircher
I think I want to keep this wagon alive

[Gamma Emerald]

but why, its a dead wagon...It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!!

its dead

Says you, maybe
Also lmfao “metabolic processes” you got that from a video game didn’t you?

[Gamma Emerald]

but why, its a dead wagon...It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!!

its dead

Says you, maybe
Also lmfao “metabolic processes” you got that from a video game didn’t you?

It's the parrot sketch ... Monty Python... look it up

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

What do you think she is saying there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Town apathy is also a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's part curiosity as to what will happen, and part fear that the mafia will garner too much information from a longer day 1 and have a clearer path forward. 15 pages may be low to the point where it becomes pretty problematic for us long-term though...

How does a

short

long D1 help scum at all? (

HPE note: this is probably what Drew meant to say

)

They would prefer the less information made public (outside of a town PR claim) the better.......since if you are town you are uninformed.

Ultimately the longer the day with more people posting is better for town.

REALLY have to agree with Drew here, there are very few circumstances where a day as short as this is very helpful for town. Its part of why this one didn't get on the Broccoli wagon when it was feeling it because pushing that to a lim esp on such an early and potentially flawed read would deprive us of an entire day of talking and reading in exchange for a flip that doesn't give much info and only has dubious odds of ACTUALLY flipping scum to boot. In general, the shorter a D1, the better it is for

scum

, not town.

but if I say the truth I'm really not TRing Ircher's last post so I don't mind voting him either.

I would like more thoughts from people, especially Andante, HPE, Alianna and Theta (basically the people not on one of the main wagons), and maybe from you as well.



HPE, I agree a short day is bad. Who out of the 3 big wagons that existed so far do you think is scum, if any? Or do you think they are all town?

Ircher and Titus, methinks. Still not sure about Alianna? A scumlean on her never really clicked for me.

Mmm interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

i feel like that means ircher is town, but like, idk, i can't read gamestate to save my life

I would think that if his return wasn’t so mediocre

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not touching Drew with a 15-foot pole here

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I’m not voting there because Andante + Meuh’s combined play felt ultra-weird

[Gamma Emerald]

I am choosing to believe you are using the solve juice that I am opting not to use this game
Because ftr I am Not Really Trying this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant the opposite
I had reservations about the lack of counterwagon but then Ircher made a do-nothing post that felt tone-deaf

[Gamma Emerald]

[
people (specifically Gamma) wanted to speedlim me

Source?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, forgog

[Gamma Emerald]

Who?

[Gamma Emerald]

lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

Impossible, me and HPE are already masons

No. Me and my brother are masons.

Who is your brother?

Mathblade
He’s not in the game, that was just a shitpost

[Gamma Emerald]

I think half this game has expressed an interest in cheese? I was thinking that was just a rare easter egg

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah, did you see my first post?

[Gamma Emerald]

lolwut

I think you forgot I'm a broccoli for a second there.

No
I just think it’s odd you want someone else to start a fresh wagon rather than doing it yourself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town

Broccoli
Andante

Null

Everyone not listed.

Scum

Titus

vrej

Btw I feel decent about furrtive rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m down

[Gamma Emerald]

No it literally means “bruh”, it originated as a horrendous mistyping of that word

[Gamma Emerald]

Reminds me of that Heracross alt I encountered on MU

[Gamma Emerald]

By which I means the Heracross account was the alt of an established player

[Gamma Emerald]

yoooo afrayed... I think is scum

Nah like I said, don't make the same mistake twice. Unless you know you are, then stop. Do you know?

This is ominous.

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus is annoyed, OK I know that I have been lined up as a possible scumbuddy to her, but she is starting to sound like a fucked off Town Duck. Interesting though how Hu Toa and Gamma are as absent as I and yet Andante misses that….

Right now looks like theta is just trying to jump from one wagon to the next

Andante is just jumping votes as is Broccoli. is that a good or bad thing?

How am I “absent”?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not touching Drew with a 15-foot pole here

why not?

I explained this later

am choosing to believe you are using the solve juice that I am opting not to use this game
Because ftr I am Not Really Trying this game

sooooo what is that and why not?

I was being funny, and why do you care? I probably solve better this way anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I feel decent about furrtive rn

why?

I have very little faith that you actually care about genuine questioning, but I feel like the places he’s going feel logical for town!him

[Gamma Emerald]

I just think it’s odd you want someone else to start a fresh wagon rather than doing it yourself.

wasn't that wagon already there, and I do recall Broc being on it, in fact he actually started it

None of this detracts from what I said.

[Gamma Emerald]

INCOMING FLOCK POST!!

Can someone tell me what a “flock post” is?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like AK isn’t asking genuine questions though

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm, why is that?

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

• comes into several new pages, get upset
  
• Posts 1 minimum-effort response
  
• Gets mad at ???
  
• essentially pulls names out of a hat and tries to guess the scumteam using that

You good, Titus?

[Gamma Emerald]

Doctor Drew - I actually liked my reasoning for scum!drew yesterday, my gut read is that drew is scum here

"I liked my own reasoning on them" is a bit odd here don't you think?

How is this?

[Gamma Emerald]

The classic game of Town Blunder or Scum Maneuver

but you think maneuverer?

ig so if we have to put round thoughts into square holes

what u mean?

This one feels like Afrayed keeps trying to make the read go from 1 to 100 wrt if Meuh is scum for wanting an early end to day and like yeah this one leans scum a bit on her for that its really fucking weird for town to do but

someone

is poking and prodding me like "hey so meuhs scum to you right? yeah you think shes scum huh? yeah? uh-huh?" and it feels like an attempt at escalation? And that unnerves me a little, to be honest.

Doctor Drew - I actually liked my reasoning for scum!drew yesterday, my gut read is that drew is scum here

"I liked my own reasoning on them" is a bit odd here don't you think?

How is this?

It's just an odd statement to make on your own reads list to me. Would have much preferred if she mentioned what that reasoning she liked was in place of that.

Mmkay

[Gamma Emerald]

I am leaning towards voting Afrayed if I get the answer I expect wrt what a flock posting is

[Gamma Emerald]

I have my own idea on it
I don’t think “flock” and “sheep” are necessarily connected

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh maybe you’re right
I think I wanna wait for the answer now

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you intend on actually posting content?

[Gamma Emerald]

woag

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that was my initial interpretation and I didn’t like that you announced it in advance. Felt like you were self-conscious and wanted to have that promise of content out in the thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your previous questions didn’t feel genuine and I think one of your responses to someone else’s answers justified my opinion

[Gamma Emerald]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

nice, did your pals tell you that just now?

This is the post that affirmed my opinion of your questioning fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is your preferred D1 elim?

[Gamma Emerald]

The problem is your questions don’t feel very thoughtful, you seem to ask a lot of “why” questions that sometimes have answers already in-thread. That’s the first thing that bothered me, and then seeing you try to flip furtive’s response against him told me all I felt I needed to know.

[Gamma Emerald]

I got PEdited so hard I ended up causing a sonic boom with how hard I clapped back!

[Gamma Emerald]

So hello everyone, is it too late for an RVS vote?

VOTE: Alianna Alphabetical after me...

Wow eight pages already..... meh

And so much colour, is that going to be

a

thing

in

this

game?

anyway, so seems many of you know each other and have game time, well I don't. brief game with Andante, Titus and Hu Tao, before being lim'd D1 but that's about it. In fact I think Titus joined the game after I was lim'd.

So.. what next?

oh yes my TZ is GMT +4, so probably will not be chatting live to many of you....

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?


UNVOTE:

Is this post towny...I'm saddened to disagree.
I'm gonna pull on this loose thread.

VOTE: Afrayed Knott

Ngl I do feel a nagging sensation reading this post

@furtive

who are you attempting to disagree with here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I don't see anything towny from GE prior to this post.

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

VOTE: Titus

lol glad im not the only one thinking this

I'm familiar with scum!Titus and she's usually tonally stiffer than this game.

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

Agree with this, Ircher has always seemed scummy to me regardless of alignment. Not really sure what the right approach is.

maybe it's a little extra to have two vote counts on one page, but i'm going for it

nah it's great

I'm here

thoughts?

Still think Titus is scummy

I kind of think we need a flip at this point? Under the impression that night actions will be meaningful

This seems quite early in the day page-wise, +scum for me.

Setup: I'll probably just go on reads as usual rather than get too caught up in trying to outguess the mod/fall into setup spec pitfalls that are probably expected.

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)

Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.

Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

these were the furtive posts I liked btw

[Gamma Emerald]

The problem is your questions don’t feel very thoughtful, you seem to ask a lot of “why” questions that sometimes have answers already in-thread. That’s the first thing that bothered me, and then seeing you try to flip furtive’s response against him told me all I felt I needed to know.

What do you mean by trying to flip Furtive, why shouldn’t I try to ask questions. This is ridiculous. Because I ask why it’s not genuine?


Why are you even considering that as a scum tell is beyond me. Your whole reason to vote me rests on that alone?

You’re misreading, I am saying you took furtive’s answer to your question and tried to make him look bad with it. Why should I allow you to do that to me? I think it’s better to make you work for it if you want to miselim me.
You can ask questions; you just should ask better questions.
I don’t think I’m voting you, last I recall my vote was still on Ircher?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Afrayed
Yeah idr where my vote is but you need to die here
You are not engaging in good faith AT ALL.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have attempted to be accommodating here and you are just spouting more and more whiny nonsense about how “you aren’t allow to do anything”

[Gamma Emerald]

'm wondering whether Ircher was just told by someone while at E-1 "hey can you start hard pushing Titus?". Just a theory, but I'd like to maybe get some comment from Ircher on this - was your initial vote's logic the same as given by Meuh (not solving)? Was there more at the time?

how hard a theory, or just a fancy?

especially with the beetlejuice

what is that?... serious question

It's reacting to your own name being mentioned, especially soon afterwards. Comes from a character who appears when you say his name I think.

'm wondering whether Ircher was just told by someone while at E-1 "hey can you start hard pushing Titus?". Just a theory, but I'd like to maybe get some comment from Ircher on this - was your initial vote's logic the same as given by Meuh (not solving)? Was there more at the time?

how hard a theory, or just a fancy?

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

nice, did your pals tell you that just now?

This whole interaction
You ask an innocuous-looking question, furrtive answers honestly, you go in and try to suggest furrtive got the response from his alleged scumbuddies

Do you not see how duplicitous you look here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Again, you hang on to a weak reason to vote. And yes I am asking you why I can’t ask questions. You really need to re evaluate your whole approach if that is all your voting is based on, weak accusations that someone is not being genuine.

Again I ask you show me where what I ask is not genuine, or where I am not genuinely engaged in the game. So don’t just point a finger and get all flustered because you can’t actually give an answer to a reasonable question.

I checked my ISO, until my very recent vote on you, my vote had still been on Ircher. So you are not doing yourself any favors by acting like I gave been voting you this entire time.
What do you want? Do you want me to merely point out every single question I have a problem with, or do you want me to try to help you learn how to ask better questions? It really bothers me that your response to me critiquing your habit of asking very basic “why” or “why not” questions is to merely changed your wording. That doesn’t solve anything. Those questions are busywork, both in the sense they look like promising questions but imo rarely lead anywhere useful, and in that the sheer volume of them can bog down a player that bothers to respond to all of them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you like them? Is this based on play experience or just because he can put together a good argument. Which you do know is not alignment indicative

Yeag it’s somewhat based on past exp, the other part is I think it just feels natural

[Gamma Emerald]

You do of course realise that was sarcasm sheesh.

I don’t see how that’s a normal response even if you were being sarcastic
You went from asking a serious question to snarking? Mmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

I challenge anyone to tell me Afrayed’s responses to me suggest actual interest in effective sorting. He’s pissed I’ve caught him and trying to subvert me.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

nice, did your pals tell you that just now?

Yeah they said "hey furt your slot is doomed sorry. Can you start pushing Afrayed? I think there's thread appetite there. Also, pushing Meuh would be great. Risk of her becoming TRed so it would be good to prevent that. As for your own slot, scumreading your predecessor always goes down well."

great. I don't have a predecessor? or am I misunderstanding you?

or is this a weak try at sarcasm?

First of all

or is this a weak try at sarcasm?

fucking lole

being serious now, I think I saw more on this in another post but I don’t like how Afrayed reacts to the predecessor thing. Most of his replies are constituted by him taking something said completely incorrectly, in actuality.

[Gamma Emerald]

great. I don't have a predecessor? or am I misunderstanding you?

or is this a weak try at sarcasm?

I understand this now, maybe use quote marks next time to show you are quoting your buddies

Hmmmm

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

nice, did your pals tell you that just now?

Yeah they said "hey furt your slot is doomed sorry. Can you start pushing Afrayed? I think there's thread appetite there. Also, pushing Meuh would be great. Risk of her becoming TRed so it would be good to prevent that. As for your own slot, scumreading your predecessor always goes down well."

I wonder what these things are? " "

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe use quote marks next time to show you are quoting your buddies

This is also extremely disingenuous, and don’t bullshirt me about no sarcasm, there’s nothing to indicate such in this post.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have attempted to be accommodating here and you are just spouting more and more whiny nonsense about how “you aren’t allow to do anything”

*honks in annoyance at expecting a newbie to just not be a newbie and not get frustrated at being scumread for newbie behavior*

I don’t think you read that whole exchange.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think people just feel like giving Ircher another day phase

read starting from 716 to see what's up w Afrayed

[Gamma Emerald]

CRIES

this one drastically overestimated where the posts were at. anyway.

?

[Gamma Emerald]

weird shit

Whats weird about floating something we all should have thought at one point or another? Are you saying the idea

never

occurred to you?

What is kind of weirding me out is how you came on so strong about how unsalvagable my slot is.

What, murdering Andante to confirm the sample PM?
W I L D

[Gamma Emerald]

This is perhaps the liveliest this one's seen a game be this early on with the amount of scumreads already going around.

I have none, is that an issue?
I still have cheese... here ducky ducky ducky

I think part of the problem with my slot is that affrayed has a jocular style that isnt fully meshing with the rest of the game. This isnt the first game I experienced him in since coming back, and I think they had a lot of the same feel

That’s gonna change later

[Gamma Emerald]

The big thing nagging at me re: Ircher is that “read list”
He typically actually puts effort into those regardless of alignment I believe, maybe that’s changed though because my key memory of that is like half a decade ago

[Gamma Emerald]

ohhhkay

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Intent

UNVOTE:

waoaw
you realize the intent was to get the claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Isn't the rule you don't claim until your at E-1 with intent?

Anyway, I claim cheese connoisseur. Each night, I can target a player to learn whether or not the word "cheese" is listed anywhere in their role pm.

this can be left alive imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Intent

UNVOTE:

waoaw
you realize the intent was to get the claim?

It sounded to me like furtive and pisskop expected me to have already claimed before now.

that was @ furtive

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Isn't the rule you don't claim until your at E-1 with intent?

Anyway, I claim cheese connoisseur. Each night, I can target a player to learn whether or not the word "cheese" is listed anywhere in their role pm.

this can be left alive imo

Because of the claim?

yeag

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it has a chance to catch scum
if someone mentioned cheese but it's not in that person's role PM, that person has potential to have learned about cheese privately from another player

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it has a chance to catch scum
if someone mentioned cheese but it's not in that person's role PM, that person has potential to have learned about cheese privately from another player

*honks from ship that has already sailed to some other pond*

I disagree, yes some people probably mentioned it as a response to it being mentioned in-thread but I think a good chunk of people’s first mentions were unsolicited. And it isn’t a scenario where mentioning the solving idea ruins the ability to do so.

[Gamma Emerald]

cause that hood thing, hu tao is gonna be scum for sure, but like that’d make pisskop probably town, and this page just screams piss/furtive partners

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

what/who is FA?

[Gamma Emerald]

???

[Gamma Emerald]

please actually spell the term out

[Gamma Emerald]

swoop

[Gamma Emerald]

furtive

How the hell does that become “FA”?

[Gamma Emerald]

The slot has content, it’s not Aureal’s fault if anyone has a skill issue

[Gamma Emerald]

Essentially. The main point I want to get across is pushing the slot for the logic of “gimmick posting = useless slot” is disingenuous imo

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s fair @meuh

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d still rather flip pk, and there’s time still

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not a bad argument
VOTE: Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually reconsidered pk and I might be considering that slot town now

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I appear to have manifested something, I will not be elaborating

[Gamma Emerald]

masterful snipe there

[Gamma Emerald]

My explanation for unvoting was that I wanted a claim. I didn't realise Titus' intent apparently came with the hidden caveat that she wasn't really about to hammer.

Intent to hammer on an unclaimed slot is “if you don’t claim now you are going to die”

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at things it appears Aureal is the only goose, there rest of hu tao’s pondmates are ducks

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut tells me that pk giving off bad vibes is possibly a towntell for him

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

[Gamma Emerald]

That sounds passable

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the bewilderment feels real

[Gamma Emerald]

My townread on FG is actually declining rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he meant which VC are you calling the AK wagon bad on?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who’s scum on it?

[Gamma Emerald]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

disagree on hu tao

[Gamma Emerald]

and I'm probably more "alien" to this game than any of us would like because work is absolutely taking all I have and I promise yall it's not getting better next week.

here's a recap of how my reads got to where they are:

I had a readslist I posted in thread, looked something like:

HighPrincessErinys
Meuh
Broccoli Quest 2 -
Afrayed Knott
---
furtiveglance Alianna
Theta Alpine
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Gamma Emerald
Ircher
Aureal
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Hu Tao
Doctor Drew
Titus

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Not perfect I know, but when I sit down and truly think about it, it's probably the best we're gonna have. 3 of those people I had 0 read on, they were null, they'd be Gamma, Ircher, Aureal. I had high confidence HPE, Meuh and Broccoli and Afrayed were town for whatever reason I said in thread. That left furtive,Theta,Hu Tao, Drew, and Titus.

So with the nulls, I figure only 1 scum in them, and very likely 2 in the other.

So 1 scum in Gamma, Ircher, Aureal
2 in Furtive, Theta,Hu Tao, Drew, Titus

now, off the top of my head I can't tell you what I even did day 1, but in all honesty I think it's better to go in the pool of 2... slightly better odds..

Then after the flip, and my attempt at some VCA/looking at ISOs, I reached the conclusion that Drew and Theta could never be partnered with Ircher, now we're down to Furtive/Hu Tao/Titus. Hu Tao's ISO screams scum to me, everything about it, and I genuinely don't SR Titus, I actually have reasons that make me TR her, and here we are at a furtive/Hu Tao scum team!

I'm having slight doubts on broccoli yes, but I don't think I'm truly going there till after flipping furtive or hu tao

Yeah this is town thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: furtive
I feel solid on this vote rn

[Gamma Emerald]

@broccoli

have you played on sites other than MS?

[Gamma Emerald]

if u want, please vote titus with me

pedit: DO you accept one maf in the hoods? Or are you just voting Drew in the hope to save your skin?

Your titus wagon hasnt really resulted in any progress made on the game. Nobody is really digging into her.

one maf in the hood is probably 60/40.

I think youre trying to hold ircher/piss team in your head while also trying to push titus/maybedrew. It doesnt feel like you have a preference over where you vote, as long as you can get a lim

Who do you see as possible maf in the hoods?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
I like this better than pk rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Not for any substantial reason ftr

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a VT. I can't believe no one noticed the fact I faked a guilty on Aureal to get some discussion there. They've been obvscum since go.

how tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I ISOed Titus earlier tonight and I feel more assured that she is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Wassup bianco

[Gamma Emerald]

Well this fucking blows

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain shortly

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the other scum is GE btw. The positions she took up yesterday were scummy and not really precedented or explained.

How much is this assessment informed by you preflipping pk?

A lot. I only have one view of the game at once. Could be wrong, but I'm trying.

This feels woefully incorrect, I feel I have seen you play not this way as town before

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: furtiveglance
went thru some of my old games with him and in one of them he openly admits he's more tunnely as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: furtiveglance
went thru some of my old games with him and in one of them he openly admits he's more tunnely as scum

quote it

also, what's 'this fucking blows' about?

Subject: Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

Yeah furtive’s scumgame seems to be pretty dry between that and my own example of chromavalon

I'd say the key difference is the amount of analysis that I give (and that also depends on how invested I am in a game). If I'm scum I'll probably post more irrelevant stuff, and show little to no progression on reads. I'm also prone to tunneling as scum. This post is an example of a nothing post, I'm just talking generally about my playstyle.

wrt "this blows" there's a couple things, one of them being my night action last night feeling potentially wasted

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm also pretty sure I saw you reconsider Aristeia in the WF Mountainous game we both played, tho I acknowledge that was post-scum flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma did you 'vig' Meuh by any chance

no

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
yeah I think I'm chill for now w you
I forgot what my exact reads on all the hu tao hoodmates were so I will reread those to sort them out again

[Gamma Emerald]

idk
I kinda should've kept my mouth shut on reflection

[Gamma Emerald]

?

[Gamma Emerald]

broccoli looks good upon rereading that thread
one down three to go

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: love child - pond private thread (Hu Tao & pisskop) [leaked]

Im convinced that somebody who contribuited to the hell that was the first 15 pages of the game is maf.

this take should be justified imo
who do you see as responsible for this, pk?

[Gamma Emerald]

also dislike pk going dark during n1

[Gamma Emerald]

has hu realized she has a new hood yet? there was some confusion D2 about it

[Gamma Emerald]

drew and aureal I didn't feel much when reading those but I wanna recheck who got heated over how aureal was posting, if it was Ircher I'm inclined to locktown aureal

[Gamma Emerald]

2 days just isnt time to build a case or press much...

the gimmick feels like a town thing to do

Well no, the gimmick itself may be fun but its distinctly NAI. The gimmick is furthermore preventing actual content. So unless the slot is going to form the Tyrannasaurus megazord and fight sinbad or whatever its effectively an empty slot by its own design, which is anti-town-wincon

mmmm yeah, still don't like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: love child - pond private thread (Hu Tao & pisskop) [leaked]

Im convinced that somebody who contribuited to the hell that was the first 15 pages of the game is maf.

this take should be justified imo
who do you see as responsible for this, pk?

It didnt go anywhere, and it was made prior to becoming public, and I mentioned it publicly. do you think its scummy to say it but not produce anything else as a follow up? Originally I had brocolli and co in mind. Ive said repeatedly that I had my doubts about broc, but Ive never found that one scummy thing

game start was pretty slow so saying it was "hell" feels unsubstantiated and throwing that out randomly without any idea or intent of solving with it feels like mudslinging

[Gamma Emerald]

has hu realized she has a new hood yet? there was some confusion D2 about it

shes posted in it.

Did the rest of you not get a new one?

Hu isnt fucking active enough to really bounce things off of, and it sucks. She does ask questions when she is around, but it's like shes just doing the rounds

yeah that's a pretty substantial problem
I think her scumcase on FL in 245 might have been more believed if she was more present

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what I'm just gonna out
I'm the one who leaked hu tao's neighborhoods, I wanted to get a peek at the hood pk claimed and thought it was more fun/useful to target hu tao.
Last night I targeted HPE because I claimed mason with her but she didn't target me with any hood recruiting power so I was interested in that, but I saw nothing. So I kinda feel like it was a waste but it slightly raises HPE's scum equity imo
btw the other reason I said this blows: I was targeted by two neighborinos N1 and one of them died last night, so I was concerned that scum were going to end up killing the other one that targeted me tonight. Me being targeted by the neighborinos is a lso what I meant when I said I manifested something: I fakeclaimed mason D1 with someone and then ended up as essentially masons with 2 people

[Gamma Emerald]

nothing I assume

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pisskop
this is probably the player I feel the least good about from hu tao's web of hoods, and I think there's likely 1 scum in there exactly

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what I'm just gonna out
I'm the one who leaked hu tao's neighborhoods, I wanted to get a peek at the hood pk claimed and thought it was more fun/useful to target hu tao.
Last night I targeted HPE because I claimed mason with her but she didn't target me with any hood recruiting power so I was interested in that, but I saw nothing. So I kinda feel like it was a waste but it slightly raises HPE's scum equity imo
btw the other reason I said this blows: I was targeted by two neighborinos N1 and one of them died last night, so I was concerned that scum were going to end up killing the other one that targeted me tonight. Me being targeted by the neighborinos is a lso what I meant when I said I manifested something: I fakeclaimed mason D1 with someone and then ended up as essentially masons with 2 people

Wait. By "last Night" you mean N2? So you're saying there were 2 Neighborino

other

than TA?!

yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Mhm. So now that word is already out, I may as well say that TA targeted me N1, leaving me with a very lonely hood

funnily enough I figured that out and said as much in meuh's hood

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut sense is the intent of my role was to snoop out scum in that initial web, I just hit the jackpot thanks to pk claiming D1 and me outguessing the mod or whatever you wanna call the thought process that drove me to target hu tao

[Gamma Emerald]

You had no knowledge of gamma's role here?

what would it change if furtive did know of my role?

[Gamma Emerald]

btw can all of pk/bianco/aureal/enchant please make it clear which they are out of duck/mallard/goose? MY signals are probably mixed but iirc Aureal was the only one to say she was a goose

[Gamma Emerald]

there could be a swan, that's a type of waterfowl

[Gamma Emerald]

where is Drew?
VOTE: Doctor Drew
I'm gonna put this here until he shows.

[Gamma Emerald]

where is Drew?
VOTE: Doctor Drew
I'm gonna put this here until he shows.

Drew is now Enchant.

wow I’m slow

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Enchant
Please claim what species of waterfowl you are.

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what I'm just gonna out
I'm the one who leaked hu tao's neighborhoods, I wanted to get a peek at the hood pk claimed and thought it was more fun/useful to target hu tao.
Last night I targeted HPE because I claimed mason with her but she didn't target me with any hood recruiting power so I was interested in that, but I saw nothing. So I kinda feel like it was a waste but it slightly raises HPE's scum equity imo
btw the other reason I said this blows: I was targeted by two neighborinos N1 and one of them died last night, so I was concerned that scum were going to end up killing the other one that targeted me tonight. Me being targeted by the neighborinos is a lso what I meant when I said I manifested something: I fakeclaimed mason D1 with someone and then ended up as essentially masons with 2 people

I was convinced scum was the one who leaked the hoods. Also does this not confirm me as town? If I was scum, would it not have shown I was in another hood? Or is that not how it works sorry.

Yeah it’s non-factional only

[Gamma Emerald]

But I think you’re town anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

has hu realized she has a new hood yet? there was some confusion D2 about it

shes posted in it.

Did the rest of you not get a new one?

Hu isnt fucking active enough to really bounce things off of, and it sucks. She does ask questions when she is around, but it's like shes just doing the rounds

yeah that's a pretty substantial problem
I think her scumcase on FL in 245 might have been more believed if she was more present

Sorry I'm on vacation so my posts aren't as strong right now. But, pk is lying. I tried to talk to him ik the new hood and got no response for days.

Yowzers

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the collective name should be wilfs (waterfowl I like to feed)

[Gamma Emerald]

I will try to be productive soon

[Gamma Emerald]

not that this is much new but with all the flips it seems Ircher was deliberately avoiding addressing his partners

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh also I don't feel ircher and alianna are partnered based on their interactions so far (which i reread), little as they might be

*honks at having had this thought first but warily circles both parties*

this might be of interest, which posts did you see ircher interacting with alianna in?

[Gamma Emerald]

not enthused by Aureal's play on an ISO read

[Gamma Emerald]

Drew's Ircher progression feels questionable but I also think he's town for it/some of the content around it

[Gamma Emerald]

Setup: I'll probably just go on reads as usual rather than get too caught up in trying to outguess the mod/fall into setup spec pitfalls that are probably expected.

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)

Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.

Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

my gut say furtive stuck both his partners in null here

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't say I know what to do with this information yet, but I will note that the sample VT PM has Andante's name on it.

Ooh it does...

This is the closest Ircher got to interacting with Alianna, it is just reacting to information

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeag

[Gamma Emerald]

because it's such a nothingburger post that why even bother stick it in the scum PT
also, interesting choice of thing to comment on.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: furtiveglance
That method of sliding into this discussion was not gracious at all

[Gamma Emerald]

The f you mean “unless there was wacky bussing” 2 of your scumspects were on the wagon? Where the hell does this “unless” come into play, seems like you already think that’s the case?

[Gamma Emerald]

cause if anything 1629 to me looks like you want to go that way.. "oh I'd vote enchant!!" cause if I tr someone I don't go "wow the only thing you did all game was e-1 me"

Ok so you're making up a scenario in which I want to vote Enchant. That's cool I guess

It's literally a fact, that's the only thing Enchant's posted...right?

I'm pointing out a fact.

That fact has side effects of bring pointed out though.

[Gamma Emerald]

If they are intentionally not claiming despite ample chance to then you dont need the claim

This feels like a bit like trying to push the vote to completion before Ircher could arrive to claim.

I kinda like that HPE points this out

[Gamma Emerald]

don't know don't care
I don't see how that's a material argument to furtive being scum or not. Try engaging with the actual reasons people are presenting, not trying to use ancient cheese as evidence.

[Gamma Emerald]

You realize I had multiple posts in a row of reviewing slots’ prior content?
Just because the votes don’t have logic in the post doesn’t mean it ain’t there

[Gamma Emerald]

So you continue to refuse to engage with the actual issues at hand. Got it.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I need to think things over a bit more, Hu Tao’s posting is giving me pause

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I am starting to realize

exactly

why town

does

need such a role.

[Gamma Emerald]

See above.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was trying to gather additional data. I targeted furtive last night. Why would I bother with that when you yourself said it was basically not worth it?

[Gamma Emerald]

No point in lying if gamma can leak our hood.

I gave you credit for this comment.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aureal
On reflection, this feels like a more pivotal slot if scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

votecount 4.04

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[Gamma Emerald]

I shaded you because I felt like there was more you should have addressed/done

[Gamma Emerald]

I had like 5 posts of thoughts on how various slots interacted with/around Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like there was more to engage with than what you did, and it felt like scummy selective engagement

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: furtiveglance
Fine Andante, you win

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I don’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait that wasn’t directed at me
Are you seriously suggesting that comment to Andante is meant to imply some knowledge of your alignment? Because if so, why the fuck do I write that? Me saying “fine, you win” is wholly extraneous.

[Gamma Emerald]

Andante did state she was basically mod-confirmed in the main thread at one point

[Gamma Emerald]

cause i want to hear your solving furtive, I will say, most of the rest of the PL knows im town, thus they wont vote me. ever. so think of me as IC and yeah…
even though I sr you to no end right now, I figure it won’t hurt to share that

[Gamma Emerald]

The only team that doesn’t know about that hood is aureal + HT and I don’t know why they would kill anyone else here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I’ve already claimed. And my action from last night is obviously targeting Andante.

[Gamma Emerald]

And yet you did nothing about it att

[Gamma Emerald]

my gut wants to go after HU Tao for being one of few slots the not express interest in cheese early
I feel like it's possible only town are "cheese enthusiasts" here

[Gamma Emerald]

I was mainly looking at the main thread :/