Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[ActionDan]

That was fast

VOTE: Celebloki

[ActionDan]

@Naerys, do you like rolling scum?

I cant like something i have never rolled

You haven't played a single scum game since 2019?

[ActionDan]

Me a d FL aren't real people

[ActionDan]

for what specific reason?

[ActionDan]

I suppose I can't speak for what the intent was but considering my own feelings I ascribed a measure of assessment that Naerys was town from it.

[ActionDan]

or Vanderscamps' response implying a town bump?

This for Vanderscamp

For me personally 62

[ActionDan]

so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone with six simple letters!

I buy it

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Wheme

E-2

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Wheme

E-2

Is the Wheme wagon based off low post count?

Spoiler: All of Wheme's posts

VOTE: Vanderscamp

I’m just to good at tbis

I am an expert mafia player sheep me

Quality wagon. I believe this is lower than normal post count for town wheme (which is low already). Bad Rvs vote.

Ymmv.

[ActionDan]

CHESSKID would be proud today

[ActionDan]

Know I do this out of love.

Know that you are loved

[ActionDan]

Will I get a scum flip on my cake day? that would be nice

[ActionDan]

The cake does not lie

[ActionDan]

Small losses

[ActionDan]

Celebloki where do you stand with reads

[ActionDan]

So any distinctions to be made between your range of Elements, me, drew, roden?

[ActionDan]

Mine are succinctly put in post 174

[ActionDan]

Drew / Roden read town to me thus far. Why is the town cred exchange weird / scummy

[ActionDan]

Does someone have Kitty scum game in mind I can look over?

I'm starting to get worried that the townies in this game may not know how to town

[ActionDan]

Just how Roden perked up when I said I saw opportunists on the wagon, specifically the town cred comment. Hopped over to Drew for it. Could have all just been goofing around, but it still struck me as weird. Like he forgot he called Elements town for voting Star.

The difference between elements and drew for roden in that moment would be that roden thought Drew's vote was a bus.

This does not explain your sus of drew adequately either. What was scummy about Drew's side of the exchange?

[ActionDan]

What changed your mind

what are you referencing here exactly? I don't think I've changed my mind on anything in particular

Thank you for providing Kitty's scum game its quite helpful in that it seems that he plays similarly as either alignment.

[ActionDan]

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk

LEAN SCUM

Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural

SCUM

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - still town lead, still townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - still posting a lot but not too spammy, still seems to contribute enough
Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes
(Ele and Drew actually contributed yesterday instead of sitting around and then jumping on me)

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - idk what to think of the push on me, I feel FL can be wrong town but he's brazen as scum
Celebloki, Naerys - idk
Vanderscamp - still bad vibes but hasn't talked today, shouldn't be focus today

LEAN SCUM

Roden, yessiree - jumped on me with no reasoning, not active yesterday. Not omgusing, this would be omgus if yall actually backed up your reads instead of this being a nudist colony for votes

SCUM

ActionDan - "small losses" comment and then asking for reads feels like scum behavior. Like it feels like a fake nonchalantness? Also naked vote put Wheme at E-2

VOTE: ActionDan

So I thought your first readslist was quite bad and this next one is equally so. It deserves to be picked apart.

Looker is not leading town. He certainly is posting but if he were

leading

you might expect say an actual push or perhaps more posts than others neither of which is happening. Why is he so high on your list either D1 or D2?

The town lean category seems reserved for those who either "contribute" or have good vibes. I don't put much stock into either but on the surface good vibes would trump contribution, which makes elements position suspect if you're not putting in effort to determine whether element's contributions are towny/scummy/null. Additionally all these people at the time of the D2 readslist are voting you. This "reeks", so why how have they remained there while I (who did not vote you) migrated to scum.

The Vanderscamp read is bad vibes. I want to know why you thought his posting was "erratic" or "unnatural" D1. It was in fact pretty consistent and was one of the few people that had a pretty clear train of thought. Furthermore were I to have had that opinion, I would not so casually toss him into the nulls. To me it looks like his saving grace is that he hasn't voted you today.

And now to your vote on me. asking for reads being scum behavior in a vacuum has never been the case. You had put me as "good vibes" after I was 5th vote on D1. Why is this a problem now? And my reasons do exist in a later post, but clearly they weren't worth a mention.

[ActionDan]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

The worry is that you're LHF if you are town.

But the scum game linked means you are capable of bullshiting (or at least attempting to) as scum. I ought to find a complete town game of yours but in the community redux game I replaced you in, you had better takes in the brief time you existed.

[ActionDan]

Actually, I got you and Kitty mixed up because of the yellow in the avatar

ah ok.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Doctor Drew
i can see Drew and Vanderscamp as buddies

Without any other context this loojs like you selected two random names that participated in wheme/kitty wagons. Vander isn't even on the kitty wagon. Please elaborate

[ActionDan]

Will at least give kitty a chance to respond

[ActionDan]

It may well be 12 hours before I can examine recent developments

[ActionDan]

I just want you to know FL, that I absolutely caught that crumb, signaling town investigative.

Good crumb though. Not that I had much doubt but this further means naerys less lilely to be scum eliminating them as killer / vanillaizer.

I agree with your list minus Kitty / Celebloki. There are things in Kitty's response that continue to be objectively untrue, for example their disposition on looker. I can classify their other opinions re: contributions/ good and bad vibes as subjective opinions but it isn't quite fitting into place just yet.

I was of the opinion that drew was nominally towny. I'll revisit.

[ActionDan]

Stop it you

[ActionDan]

Work has been awful for the past 2 days and this one will be as well. Hopefully they won't let us work 18 hours again..

I don't have game advancing material.

Hmm

What if Roden and elements engineered a double fake claim and there's no inventors or vanillaizers at all? *taps noggin*

[ActionDan]

I probably should have declared vla for the past couple days. Will post tonight

[ActionDan]

I dislike that claim. But a really stupid fakeclaim to claim

[ActionDan]

Could be a real scum role tbh

This.

It's a win more as town role a lose less as scum role. Bit that conclusion is so obvious that as scum I would never claim this. Would yessiree think beyond 1 dimension?

[ActionDan]

wow.

[ActionDan]

Ok reading the last like 8 pages makes me immediately think Yessiree is scum and that Kitty is town.

Will confirm Me + Vander + Yes are neighbors.

I guess bullet points.

1) Recent Yessiree posts regarding gamethrowing do not look like town responses since it is very understandable regardless why this push is happening and makes sense based on claim alone
2) Despite the fact that I think it's insane that procrastinating town roles in the wiki actually are featured (making mod outguesses harder and they are terrible for game health imo) if we treat the wiki as precedent and follow its language then it's implicit and intuitive that a setup with a known number scum in it would prevent the procrastinating role from actioning when the number of scum alive exceeds its restriction. Therefore, Roden's point is moot, and the fact Yessiree claims he actioned N1 is suspect.
3) There isn't anyone in names being thrown around that I'd vote over Yessiree, and that includes Roden.

Where I stand off a skim.

[ActionDan]

It also seems I have independently came up with the same logic of gamma. So that's nice.

[ActionDan]

how is it not throwing when you're limming a claimed role cop when i could get cop cleared instead

yall legitimately game throwing here if you think limming me today is a good idea, i think my role is gonna play a key role later when there are vanillarizer and inventors at play this game

naerys is just gut + off wagon scum

Well... I feel like this was at more than drew.

Even so, I don't believe the logic here. This would be the ideal situation but it's clearly unlikely and someone who says this ought not to believe their own wishful thinking.

[ActionDan]

No I'm saying the situation you brought up is unlikely to ever happen. It exists (and to clarify the only thing worthwhile is role copping the vanillizer), but this scenario is not likely to happen if you are spared for many many many many reasons.

[ActionDan]

Sidenote: Naeyrs is pretty obviously town from her posts. This kind of bizarre ATE is something I do not see coming from Newbie scum

[ActionDan]

Ok.

Sure.

(I do not think it obvious that Roden is tomorrow's fade though)

[ActionDan]

Stolen

[ActionDan]

Celebloki

I very much am curious why you think this. I keep thinking regardless of yessiree's color this has a great chance to be scum.

[ActionDan]

I absolutely missed that factional kill is single

[ActionDan]

I think if there is a town inventer that gave an invention to roden n1 they should claim. Because otherwise... today is probably a foregone conclusion

[ActionDan]

Guess we wait to hear RL's result and off to D3

[ActionDan]

FL*

[ActionDan]

But Drew is town.

If roden is town there has to be a confluence of unlikely things at this point. It would require alien roles / tech to negate Drew's result

[ActionDan]

I'm assuming you have a guilty on looker, but go ahead and hold

[ActionDan]

I am okay with mass claim. I think since Drew full claimed he should popcorn

[ActionDan]

In future please popcorn.

Frail and vulnerable. Next will have weak if the mod is a slay the spire fan

[ActionDan]

I will not claim until I am popcorned, I have principles

[ActionDan]

Popcorn to looker

[ActionDan]

Oh sorry. VT neighbor. Popcorn looker

[ActionDan]

I think if there is a town inventer that gave an invention to roden n1 they should claim. Because otherwise... today is probably a foregone conclusion

This post kinda bugs me btw

This was the natural conclusion from the available info.

[ActionDan]

I'm objectively null imo. I think a lot of people are just blatantly townie so I'm not upset being in the POE.

No need to throw the kitchen sink at me!

[ActionDan]

If you somehow have a guilty that's NOT on looker that's an even better result. However I have everyone else as basically town. I even looked at celeb last night and softened my stance greatly.

[ActionDan]

AD def scummy. I scum read them when they were town on a game i don’t speak about anymore.

So they could be town here. They kept trying to dissuade my town read on certain slots yesterday, and they tried to defend the Yessiree claim while saying they don’t like it but they think it comes from town.

Curious which game.

I never defended yessiree claim nor called it town.

Out of like 5 town reads I believe I pushed back on kitty and celeb only at the time of your reference, while elevating drew.

[ActionDan]

This is my view of the game state, assuming all claims true thus far:

POE:

ME
Looker
Vander (only here because its a possibility)

Town:

Everyone else.

Unless I am underestimating naeyrs kitty, which I don't think I am.

If someone has lied about night actions / role thus far its roden and no one else.


L

[ActionDan]

Do you agree?

[ActionDan]

Scum have multi-task, can alientech + personal ability. I agree she hard town by play

[ActionDan]

Scum have multi-task, can alientech + personal ability. I agree she hard town by play

You forget the nature of FL’s clear. He did not see Naerys act at all.

The thought is that either Yessiree does both faction ability / rolecop or scum #2 does vanillize / faction ability while scum #3 doesn't act.

@FL I think Drew being scum makes town max have JOAT / novice inventor (pending other claims to come) . I know aliens have 1 shot factional kill but I think this may border on not enough town power.

[ActionDan]

I think my statement still holds even if you have cop / watcher / JK

[ActionDan]

Wait at least until prod we have time. Drew theory is noted, but I really can't imagine it. It would be impressive if Drew is scum to come up with this plan, essentially putting it into action N1.

[ActionDan]

Well that's fortuitous

[ActionDan]

As far as I'm concerned Naerys is still town on play even if looker is town. Which is still possible. Elements being scum opens that up a bit

Now I would have claimed this on D2. Town being under the impression of a false clear would not sit right with me

[ActionDan]

There are three mysteries in terms of scum night actions I am trying to piece together

1) Why did elements claim as she did?
2) Why was vulnerable used before frail?
3) Why is there no NK yet?

I only have a guess to #1

Prediction:

Elements flips 1-shot vanillizer. Clearly claiming vanilized is a play for town cred. To give this a maximum chance of success, elements will not action N1 (supported by choice of fake claim with novice modifier). If a buddy was more than a 1-shot vanillaizer I'd imagine they'd action N1 and not waste elements night action as well (which we know they have). A buddy having a 1-shot vanillaizer means if they ever flip elements is outed. Thus it's elements that has the role. And believe it's one shot or it would be used on town n1 and not be claimed.

2) factional Tech is probably on a cycle. Saving frail until you want to know who to kill via dayplay, rolecop, etc makes sense. Expect to see it again later. That said Why vulnerable on roden n1, was there really nothing better

3) I have no clue here. Is the factional power a either or? Meaning can either kill or tech but not both?

[ActionDan]

Addendum:

Why frail on celebloki? Why not anyone of FL Gamma (who i absolutely thought was crumbing rb/jk day 2) or Drew who hard crumbled clear on gamma

[ActionDan]

Is Bloodhound even a real role. Ome would think it would detect blood, aka a killer

[ActionDan]

Looker may still be town but let's not entertain elements as town

[ActionDan]

Guess we wait for mod.

[ActionDan]

@mod Requesting Votecount

[ActionDan]

K then

VOTE: elements

[ActionDan]

uhhhhh.

Celebloki = frail (assume scum power used to kill)
Kitty = 1-shot alien factional kill

Gamma = ????? ; alien tech? seems rather strong.

[ActionDan]

I assumed FL was dying but Kitty was obvious town so shrug. @Gamma any knowledge about this?

[ActionDan]

roden / celebloki were informed after alien tech was used on them, I would speculate the same might be true of gamma. Seems not. Could mean this is the result of an actual scum power role.

[ActionDan]

Think that tracks. And same with the Bus Drive thing, idk if I see scum doing that.

Before 3 kills I was thinking looker might be scum because setup wise a town busdriver gives a chance for making scum kill themselves would be too strong against a limited kill faction. And so far Mod has pretty good roles maintaining a fragile balance. Now I'm trying to think if scum firepower here vs just the two town power roles is balanced or not. If these are the ONLY 3 kills then I think its possible (theoretically we have 5 chances right now); unsure otherwise.

[ActionDan]

If Drew is scum you and looker are the only power roles and I'm not sure I believe that based on quality of the roles. Busbdriver in this scenario is feast or famine. Scum are much stronger than mountainous.

[ActionDan]

I'm going to look over D1 and D2 tonight

[ActionDan]

It's never FL, it's never Drew. I want one more "never" at least as I read

[ActionDan]

I'm going with Naeyrs "never" scum.

I am prone to severely underestimating people whom I don't perceive to be playing in a sophisticated manner, but I can't help but think the reaction to kitty's wagon is coming from town. And I see nothing to suggest their play overall or on any individual posts look more scum than town.

@vander drew is town as I think town is too weak if he weren't.

[ActionDan]

I was about to say:

I will probably end up voting looker. Also proddodge.

Also Game End?

[ActionDan]

Cool. I sure was in this game.

[ActionDan]

Wheme was totally scum

[ActionDan]

GG!

WP town and Flavor in particular

This + kitty at L-1

[ActionDan]

Gamma vote was suspect at the time