Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Hello frens !

Gotta admit, i did NOT understeand that part of my role worked like that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

how am i going to play this game without vomiting every time i look at the screen

VOTE: Clownpiece

be bold and change back to mafblack

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: clownpiece
don't mind me, just here to see where this goes

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

Identity Thief!

i think i'm the one who is getting their identity stolen

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

What's so bad about Daiyousei's entrance? Apart from the fact that she called me a Youkai when i'm actually a Werewolf

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I like Ichirins posts

i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

What's so bad about Daiyousei's entrance? Apart from the fact that she called me a Youkai when i'm actually a Werewolf

Werewolves are a type of Youkai, it's an umbrella term

shameful, i've been exposed as a touhou know-nothing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

it's a gut thing, nothing specific. i think my lack of flavor knowledge is contributing to my dislike of that post more than anything

and i never trust anyone who looks like they're having fun when playing mafia

what do you think of Yenshi?

Dai just seems like they wanna have fun yeah, NAI

Tenshi's post kinda didn't make me feel anything but i understeand where you're coming from, not really keen on joining the wagon

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

i feel the opposite

what makes you think that claim comes from scum?

It's just too on the nose to be a credible miller-type basically? Like,

no one is gonna belive that's an actual real result

, and as such it kinda defeats the purpose to give it to town. Of course i'm getting into modWIFOM territory here but at the very least i disagree that it's clearing her in any way

ofc flavor reasons probably mean the claim is true, but it doesn't indicate it's town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Setup Information

• Alignments have been randomized before designing the setup. This did not factor into how I designed my setup.

I don't think the miller claim is alignment indicative if I'm reading this right?

Good point

that means we'll have to figure out Yuuka's alignement the old fashioned way

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

I think the role itself is NAI based on how the setup was generated, but I like how they claimed it

disagree but ok

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

if they saw the same thing i did your 64 sounds like TMI sanae

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

if they saw the same thing i did your 64 sounds like TMI sanae

Ok I'm not really sure what you mean, I was referring to this bit

Setup Information

• Alignments have been randomized before designing the setup. This did not factor into how I designed my setup.

I have no touhou flavor knowledge, but from what others have said, it sounds like the claim makes sense with the flavor, but the flavor has nothing to do with alignment, so I think the fact that she has this miller thing as part of her role to begin with is NAI

However, I like that she claimed it (and how) in her first post. It isn't a

ton

of townpoints, but at this point, it nudges things slightly in that direction

I don't really know what role cards being in scum PTs have to do with anything

well ok, maybe it's just me having a different playstyle but wouldn't scum also want to claim in the first post? Hiding it certainely isn't realistic given it triggers on a visit of any kind, so the best thing to do with it is to follow the usual process

specifying that she isn't scum or 3P also reads as overly concerned about how we'd view her alignement, when, idk about you but i kinda understood her point without this

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

Hey Kangaroo-Chan, what do you think about Larva-San and Kochiya-Sama? I think they are cute - eek, I mean towny! I want them in my town block!

Larva i'm still neutral on and while Sanae's explainations are pretty good i still think i'm sitting at +scum

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou, that sounds like you have a preference for how information is conveyed to you and you’re conflating a preference with an alignment and using that to tilt slightly negative.

i'm absolutely using the way people convey their reads to get a feeling of their alignement, so yeah i guess you're correct

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

Hey Kangaroo-Chan, what do you think about Larva-San and Kochiya-Sama? I think they are cute - eek, I mean towny! I want them in my town block!

Larva i'm still neutral on and while Sanae's explainations are pretty good i still think i'm sitting at +scum

But feel free to make your own Marisa

Polycule

townblock !

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Whatever Daiyousei and Marisa are doing, lol.

This is the Touhou mind virus and we'll all have it by the end of this game

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah, I had assumed uh, that you were the one person whose role did not match their name.

Mod responded to me and told me they couldn’t tell me if that was the case.

Given that flavor and role seem pretty closely linked it’s not a waste of time to understand/get a footing there, in addition, there’s alignment juice there in how people interact with the information on the topic.

Uh. So what exactly is the mod trying to clarify with their note?

I think we maybe should keep role analysis for later

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I can only assume it's part of Kagerou's role for that information to be publically available

Yeah, it's part of my role PM

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

Hey Kangaroo-Chan, what do you think about Larva-San and Kochiya-Sama? I think they are cute - eek, I mean towny! I want them in my town block!

Larva i'm still neutral on and while Sanae's explainations are pretty good i still think i'm sitting at +scum

You think Kochiya-Sama is scummy? Woah... That's unexpected!

Please tell me why you think that, Kagerou-Chan!

Yeah, like, Sanae kinda made me go ?_? a few times (the Yuuka read and their vote on the blue haired person, sorry don't rember the name !!!1! >/////<), and she's one of the girls who feel the most like their are busywork written to look like solving !

But also as i've said she's trending towards the towny side so this is up to reevaluation ;3

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Nothing! I just felt like joining the wagon because I like the people on it!

?_? what do you like about the bunny rabbit though? i can understand someone liking the doggie but the bunny hasn't done much of anything

Can someone just clarify who the bunny rabbit and doggie are?

I think i'm doggie (werewolf) and reisen is the bunny rabbit

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Purple is the mod’s color.

killjoy.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

there's no rule about using the mod color ! :PPPPPP

otherwise, i guess that's even more reasons to wait a bit and see where i end up on Sanae

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Shaking and crying

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

?_? what do you like about the bunny rabbit though?

also asking this of the doggie because of post 92!

my bad, got confused u_u

I think claiming ascetic like you would claim a miller is extremely town!indicative (although there could be something that makes me reconsider) and i like how she reacted to the flavor / real role stuff, it felt like a good answer basically, kinda struggling to find the words

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginning

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

I lean town on the role itself. I would be very mad at the mod if I was actually scum with that role lol.

If the mod gave scum!me this role i would kiss him on the mouth

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginning

can you explain why?

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?

my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginning

can you explain why?

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

i mean i would argue that at the time of Clownpiece's entrance they were the first one to actually do something ~spicy and give people in the game something to talk about (outside of the miller claim, in which the majority of the discussion came later)

that may be an overly generous interpretation of their early posts and i'm nowhere near married to that townread but based on that i am struggling to buy that this was your initial reason for voting when i viewed it in the exact opposite way

i've disagreed with a lot of your takes so far so while i will respect you keeping the reasons vague for now i'm hoping you'll be able to fully elaborate at some point so i can actually parse if there's something more to that or if it's merely a playstyle difference

i'm very much aware i'm not being the most agreeable person right now

i'll elaborate if i feel the need to, for what it's worth i think you're acting pretty town right now too so i'm happy with how this is going

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Meeeeep

I continue to townread both Kagerou-Chan and Kochiya-Sama. And they are getting townier by the moment with their townreads on Larva-San. And yet it seems like they keep scumreading each other, and all I can do is yell meeeep and hope they start working together so we can vote the scumsters soon.

I am fine just putting that scumread on the side for now to do other stuff

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I just did - I don't understand where any of their reads are coming from

they're coming from the mystery box

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

(my head)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Let's vote any of
VOTE: Aya Shameimaru
VOTE: Koishi Komeiji
VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan
VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi
VOTE: Daiyousei

There are probably two scum in this pool.

VOTE: Daiyousei

let's see where this goes

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I just don't find many reasons to vote for Koishi, and also feel like they will step up soon (or like, i hope, i'd be able to reconsider if things stay like they are)

175 has also reached straight for my tiny little sensitive heart i'll admit, and i feel like it's a very real thought to have (basically maybe it's not very justified, but it rings true and goes against what Scum!Koishi would be immediatly enclined to do)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

was your therapist an agent of the incident causers?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

that's starting to be a lot of self-obfuscating roles

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}

why would you put yourself in the list

Because i'm viewing myself as part of it

and ok, there's DEFINETLY one somewhere in {Kagerou / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka / Aya}

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh and I just remembered this

I have immunity to all day abilities so please don't waste anything useful on me

Master Double Spark

Test.

based

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}

Are you also self-obfuscating in some way?

Less so than the others but i feel like my role name being announced to everyone is in the same family of modWIFOM

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kagerou is openwolfing guys

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}

Are you also self-obfuscating in some way?

Less so than the others but i feel like my role name being announced to everyone is in the same family of modWIFOM

If that is the only thing about your role that made you include yourself, I would not count that as the same kind of things as:

Auto Claiming Scum, Day-Ascetic, Night-Ascetic, or Ninja

Well i do, but like, i guess it doesn't matter too much from my PoV, are you agreeing with my theory or not?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

fair point, forgot that part of things

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Daiyousei this is probably just scum tho

and i don't think it's because i'm not vibing with the roleplay (i don't want to discourage the roleplay btw, do what is fun for you! i am just bitter about not knowing the flavor and being left out of the joke )

VOTE: Daiyousei

UwU

VOTE: Daiyousei

Do not like any of these votes.

elaborate?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i guess lacking reason is a word but mine did too and yet i'm not on the list so i guess there's more to it than that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

why would you be ok with dying if Larva explains what she was doing

It's a nice clear goalpost to pass before I get unceremoniously mislimmed D1.

sounds like pretty genuine frustration

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

but i do agree with Ichirin on some level, hopefully wagons will start to stabilize a bit cause otherwise it's gonna be hard to analyse that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can't really put it into words but Ichirin's reaction to the wagon feels extremely towny

Yuuka while maybe i'm reading too much into her natural mindset probably doesn't push a townie like that, this

could

be theater but i'm not thinking about that until a flip

and call me tunneled if you want but it really feels like clown is not pushing Ichirin in good faith

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

seems like some people can't handle the kagerou style

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

I wanna hear about this from Kagerou.

i've already explained a bit the thoughts behind it but sure what's bugging you?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

also about the Marisa / Kaguya hood, how substantially have you talked in it Kaguya?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh whoops

my brain is really not cooperating

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out

Besties

Marisa Kirisame - I could go into details but like she's just being obvtown

Eternity Larva - The second obvtown slot

Kaguya Houraisan - A common feeling i have with Kaguya posts is that she's making them for herself and not really for an audience, her overall play has also been decently protown

Reisen Udongein Inaba - maintaining that the Ascetic claim is prolly town, some individual posts like 314 or 313 i really like

Headpats

Ichirin Kumoi - I liked how sie played around the flashwagon, i hear the points about it sounding like TMI / scum anger

Yuuka Kazami - not saying that rude 100% equal good but she certainely feels confident in what she's doing

Koishi Komeiji - acting mildly towny

For later

Sanae Kochiya - Scum leaning but that read is on hold for either substantial agreement / me seeing something more direct to push

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson eyebrow

Aya Shameimaru - struggling to read through the gimmick right now

Tenshi Hinanawi - ok so maybe this is more a null read but like i kinda completely forgot who this was so not the greatest look i think

Shoot on sight

Clownpiece - I'm starting to really feel dumb for this read but clown piece is playing like how i feel a good scum player would play, will elaborate more but right now i'm not in the mood

Daiyousei - I guess i thought she had more posts than she did but under the gimmick there isn't a lot of info, her recent 349 i don't really know what to make of it so that's a work for future Kagerou

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Not game advancing but I really like the dynamic of Yuuka being fine with murdering everyone and Marisa is the polar opposite. Made me giggle.

this is very much the most important post so far this game

i think the weebs call this a "potential ship"

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

well she says she's town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i trust you <3

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou i know you said reading the thread is difficult right now but i am most interested in your detailed reads on Clownpiece and Sanae when you get around to it

well i'd like to preface my Clownpiece read by the fact that i think i'm just not in a position to push people this game so my plan right now is to be a bit more laid back and act smug about it when she flips scum

firstly, that whole argument about numbers and all just kinda dragged on and on and in the end i don't think we even got anything out of it?

then, i get being curious about account generation, but the fact that :
- she went ahead and went with straight up numbers
- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

makes me seem she was worried about finding something to start things off while also not caring very much about asking

Spoiler:

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

I had a town lean on page one, and I that has grown to 4. 4 reads on page 7 seems like a pretty solid pace to me lmao.

Also, unsure what the stopping the game from going forward even means, so :shrug:

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

the reaction to Ichirin's reaction was also something that hugely bugged me, to go into reasons :

Spoiler:

I am just confused on why you don't seem interested in determining the alignment of the people who voted you.

You started by saying it was town voting you, I asked why we could not be scum voting you (the full scum team part was a joke, but that was the idea), and you responded by not even knowing who was voting you.

I would expect some level of suspicion from someone who thinks that they are currently in serious danger of being miselimed (which I already felt was an exaggerated response to 3 votes), but you actually seem completely uninterested in your voters for some reason.

Complaining that you aren't getting scrutinized certainely isn't a weird look, and while it's kinda dumb, i feel like if Ichirin called for their agressors to be scum, it would just get called OMGUS?
likewise
i'm also of the opinion that scum often looks more intensely for these sort of low involvement slip rather than town, since like, it's one of the only things town can reasonable do under pressure that is actually scummy

i'll also fully admit that this is hugely a gut read and that i'm proud of it (besides upgrading "i think this is scum" to "i think this is null at best" isn't really game advancing content here)

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As for Sanane, as i've said already, i'm suspicious of her view of Yuuka's claim, , i get she was kinda overblowing here cause blah blah early game we already don't have much info early but that's not really clearing

she's also like really passive? I get not all townies can be at the front of the stage but a lot of her content is "agreeing with other people" and "explaining why she agrees with people"

this is somewhat related but when reading the phrasing of posting, i get huge vibes of "i'm posting for others to look at me in a good light" rather than "i'm posting cause i wanna figure out what's going on"

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but

their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

btw i'm very happy with my impact on the game so far so be assured this is intended

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out

Spoiler:

Besties

Marisa Kirisame - I could go into details but like she's just being obvtown

Eternity Larva - The second obvtown slot

Kaguya Houraisan - A common feeling i have with Kaguya posts is that she's making them for herself and not really for an audience, her overall play has also been decently protown

Reisen Udongein Inaba - maintaining that the Ascetic claim is prolly town, some individual posts like 314 or 313 i really like

Headpats

Ichirin Kumoi - I liked how sie played around the flashwagon, i hear the points about it sounding like TMI / scum anger

Yuuka Kazami - not saying that rude 100% equal good but she certainely feels confident in what she's doing

Koishi Komeiji - acting mildly towny

For later

Sanae Kochiya - Scum leaning but that read is on hold for either substantial agreement / me seeing something more direct to push

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson eyebrow

Aya Shameimaru - struggling to read through the gimmick right now

Tenshi Hinanawi - ok so maybe this is more a null read but like i kinda completely forgot who this was so not the greatest look i think

Shoot on sight

Clownpiece - I'm starting to really feel dumb for this read but clown piece is playing like how i feel a good scum player would play, will elaborate more but right now i'm not in the mood

Daiyousei - I guess i thought she had more posts than she did but under the gimmick there isn't a lot of info, her recent 349 i don't really know what to make of it so that's a work for future Kagerou

How confident are you about your reads? Because I have an offer for you if you are not that confident. Wait! *gasp*

You called your top tier "besties"! I love it! High fiveeeeee!

But if you are going to call Kaguya your bestie, please explain to me why! I want to have the same friends as you!

i'll admit, my Kaguya read is based a lot on her early posting, right now it's a little less interesting but not actively scummy either, i'm happy keeping her where she is

So, to tell the full story that's this post that's made me townbin her at first

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Kaguyas vote on me feels the worst given they pursued a similar line of thought, although mine was seemingly unclear.

There's a key assumption you're making here that's leading you astray.

Regardless my question for Clownpiece was focused more on why those numbers came up while yours was focused on why she knew about flavor not matching to account names in the first place

It's this combination of confident / self-centered / interrogative / focused that tickles my brain

Spoiler:

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

I believe the youngsters these days would describe this as "absolutely cooked"

Also you're probably

not

in the scum PT

?

Their scum partners would explain what clownpiece was talking about.

I can count on one hand the number of games here where people actually use the scum chat enough for this to have happened

I think this is a post from a very towny frame of view for instance, both in the way she's criticizing my townread of her (ie not saying that i'm wrong but not really eager to buy it either)
The indirect tone also view of genuienly trying to recall how it went, and not like, her potentially having a scum PT right in front of her to take example from

and also i know that sounds dumb but like

I'm town

town points for claiming town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

anyways my current vote pool is daiyousei / tenshi / Aya

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou. Why aren’t you in a position to be aggressive?

a mix of my mental state / the path i've chosen to take this game

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.

it would be so funny if i did

you're really making me wanna do it Yuuka

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

may i request a source on this, please? i remember ichirin pointing out the maths didn't math but then later realizing that the maths actually did math and it's just that the mod weighted things weird @_@

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

I’m too lazy to clip quotes. I think the townread number on command bit is the most compelling part of your argument here actually.

But only in a very general sense.

Yes I can see that kind of thing as much more scum indicative than town indicative. Even subconsciously scum are going to have a roadmap of what slots they think they can have miselimmed and it will probably manipulate their pool to townread in some way.

Just…mafia players are a lot more nebulous than that, it may not be as on the nose as that. But I like how you’re using your noodle.

not to answer for piece on this, but with the way i've set up how i'm playing this game to make sure i don't have a sudden out-of-body experience i could very easily produce an exact number of confident townreads instantly if i really wanted to

i'm honestly working off the general memory of no else having received specific numbers, which i agree no one else did / looked into it?

Not to answer for piece but *answers for piece*

nah i'm kinda messing with you will wait for piece's answer before saying more about this though

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Go ahead.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

it's less a question of could rather than would

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

sit down young lady you WILL argue about the semantics of my read for the next 2 to 3 buisness days

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Breaking news! Your intrepid reporter is down in the dumps. It turns out even Youkai can be depressed. Headline for Tomorrow: When Crows Cry, a cover by Alice Marigold.

Sorry to hear, would you mind if we yeet you out of the game?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Slowly pulling out my Yuuka townread because of her agressiveness and swapping it with an almost identical scumread cause it just seems like she's forcing it for the sake of being like that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I want to shoot a high-charisma meh slot

VOTE: Marisa

Not really liking the idea of going for the generally towny slots as, even in the event that Marisa is indeed scum i think this is more likely to fail than not

but i'm cool with seeing where your head's going regardless, why Marisa specifically?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Question for you though: is Marisa townie because she's doing town indicative stuff or is she townie because her charisma makes you feel like she's town

i'll admit, this is in great part a charisma read, more than i'd like to admit, but i feel like her behaviour has been extremely active so i'm under the belief that this could be a slot that will sort itself out as we get more flips

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

great job Kagerou you're both admitting and not admitting in the same line, you idiot

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kagerou is not kaguya…kagerou is not kaguya…

i've almost called myself Kaguya one or two times don't worry

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

[quote=Daiyousei post_id=14119210 post_num=560

488 is a really weird question to ask of the post it's quoting and 490 is a really weird response because it takes the question seriously! i feel like i'm the one missing something here @_@ (1)

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

why move to tenshi instead of sticking with me? did she move lower than me in your eyes since the last time you mentioned her? (i promise i am not a masochist!) (2)
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(1) : What's so weird about it ? I mean, i guess for 488 i can see how it seems forced but what kind of reply were you expecting?

(2) : I think voting my 3rd strongest scumread is more interesting than voting you, and i invite anyone else who's on the fence with Tenshi to do the same

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

488 is a really weird question to ask of the post it's quoting and 490 is a really weird response because it takes the question seriously! i feel like i'm the one missing something here @_@

(1)

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

why move to tenshi instead of sticking with me? did she move lower than me in your eyes since the last time you mentioned her? (i promise i am not a masochist!)

(2)

(1) : What's so weird about it ? I mean, i guess for 488 i can see how it seems forced but what kind of reply were you expecting?

(2) : I think voting my 3rd strongest scumread is more interesting than voting you, and i invite anyone else who's on the fence with Tenshi to do the same

rewrote for clarity

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can you write me an expose on what makes Ichirin so town? Maybe I just struggle to see it as I haven’t read all about it.

This reporter has said all she needs say on the topic, and is quite frankly sort of over this game. Three different slots have now taken bad faith arguments with her and she's lost quite literally all motivation to try. This is an anonymous game which means users cannot rely on their repuation to be able to save themselves, which means a user

coming out and being aggressively mediocre in a game like this will frequently lead to their elimination.

This is not the tactic scum normally takes, nor does this reporter think Ichirin is giving anything but the straight truth in how she is behaving. That's all you're getting from me.

So umm, not saying i read your alignement based on that but are you implying you're being intentionally mediocre?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

my take was more that people, regardless of alignement would prefer being townread right? I mean, this is not always true but that's the default

in a sense i feel like aya being accepting of her lackluster plays so far and expecting to be TR'd for it comes more from a town PoV

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

yeah i've misread a bit too it seems, sorry about that Aya

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

I actually questioned them about Reisen being left off, and they volunteered an answer for both Resin and Tenshi being left off. 188

Their explanation actually made more sense for Tenshi then for Reisen imo, unless I am missing more Reisen town reads at that point then I am remembering.

i forgot this was about Ichirin too tbh

and well, it's still somewhat strange Marisa thought she wouldn't have the votes on Tenshi but included other slots in the same situation like it's no biggie

if you're gonna have 7 people in your vote pool you're gonna have 7 people, her not wanting it to be too big is kinda artificially compensating, which granted could come from both alignements

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

yeah i figured dw

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

2) what makes a tenshi vote more interesting than a vote for me? maybe this is the self-loathing from generations of fairy hatred kicking in but i see myself as more likely to get exterminated than tenshi at this point in the game, so i don't understand why you'd vote tenshi ahead of me while thinking i'm more likely to be mafia

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Can you write me an expose on what makes Ichirin so town? Maybe I just struggle to see it as I haven’t read all about it.

This reporter has said all she needs say on the topic, and is quite frankly sort of over this game. Three different slots have now taken bad faith arguments with her and she's lost quite literally all motivation to try. This is an anonymous game which means users cannot rely on their repuation to be able to save themselves, which means a user

coming out and being aggressively mediocre in a game like this will frequently lead to their elimination.

This is not the tactic scum normally takes, nor does this reporter think Ichirin is giving anything but the straight truth in how she is behaving. That's all you're getting from me.

So umm, not saying i read your alignement based on that but are you implying you're being intentionally mediocre?

wow! this is by far the worst post i've seen all game! @_@ it contributes nothing to the hunting process and is obviously designed just to kick a clearly hurting player while they're down

in an iso vacuum i'm still not thrilled with aya's body of work but this post and sanae co-signing it in 598 makes me want absolutely nothing to do with voting aya for the foreseeable future and everything to do with exterminating the kagerou/sanae mafpair asap

2) I'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you, i feel like the general avoidance around this slot could come from a place of more well inserted scumbuddies uneasy with the idea of drawing the light to their weak like

Aya answer) Yeah this one is totally my bad, i completely misunderstood what the post was saying be assured that even if i was scum, i would not deliberately abuse / take advantage of someone being sad to try to "kick them" that's just like... straight up abusive

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

weak link*

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I like the reporter bit, maybe the one off commentary isn’t a good format for the game though.

The news is modernizing.

Yeahhhh, I was starting to hit that too. I'll have to think on how to, uh, keep up with the Times no pun intended.

Roleplay as a news blog maybe? Could be fun

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can we just kill Ichirin now?

ok but like, why? And also no, Ichirin is being towny

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

newkoi saying they like kagerou's body of work gives me the sads in light of my post on the matter ;_; fairies are used to being ignored but that doesn't make it suck any less!

I read the post, I just don't fully (or mostly, actually) agree with your conclusions.

;_; why not? i tried so hard.......

also i was re-reading and like, why this reaction?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

Aya certainely is genuine, leaning town but i wouldn't bet my house on it

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can we just kill Ichirin now?

ok but like, why? And also no, Ichirin is being towny

where?

I haven't really given more thought to the slot, this is still about hir reaction to the flashwagon

and please, elaborate on why you wanted to end the day now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

Aya certainely is genuine, leaning town but i wouldn't bet my house on it

Try again please.

What do you mean try again

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Give your opinion and interpretation of Aya’s posts, analysis, opinions, emotions, your emotional response to it.

i'm not really comfortable reading too deep into what's happened, sorry

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clown raises some interesting points in a vaccum, i guess i should probably read Ichirin's ISO

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I would argue being able to keep a low profile in an anon game when everyone’s already on edge would make me more than a weak link.

Meanie.

btw i'm not sure what you're trying to say here

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

the quiet link if you prefer

just saying this game has a lot of charismatic players which raises the bar for everyone involved

pedit : I would like to get scratched under my ears yes :o

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

the quiet link if you prefer

just saying this game has a lot of charismatic players which raises the bar for everyone involved

pedit : I would like to get scratched under my ears yes

Okay first task, please list the charismatic players from your POV, bonus half-step point if you rank them within the list.

most charisma
Marisa
Larva
Clownpiece
New!Koichi
Sanae
least but still charming

i would also like to include Yuuka as while her play is different there's absolutely a degree of social confidence to it that i classify as charisma

i gotta admit that's least than i estimated when thinking at first but half the game is already pretty good

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I don't really think my abilities for pushing players into following me / convincing them are that great, and this is probably not gonna be the game where that changes

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Interesting. I have you in my list for that even/despite your insisting that it's not you.

Maybe this game is the self esteem boost you need?

To be clear since i think i'm not being really clear with my view of things, i'm probably somewhat charismatic but i'm not a charisma player (getting tired of typing that word)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Would you rather I give the same list, or would you like to pick a new task? Both are information, as is how you choose!

i honestly don't really care either way, just answering your questions without much more thinking, if you feel like my reaction would help you fowards your thinking i guess we could do that, otherwise it's probably best to move on to the next thing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Do you actually town read me hard enough that you're fine and comfortable ceding the momentum to me when it's your turn?

Or what gives? Because this feels weird, like you're interacting with an innocent child who has already been thread-announced.

"Ceding the momentum" lol, you're viewing this in a way more adversarial fashion than i am i was more thinking that you wanted to figure me out a bit more and was happy to help out

And while i would place my odds around 85-15 on you, the truth is that i'm getting good vibes so i'm down to shut my brain off and approach things from the angle where you're town while leaving the possibility you aren't for future me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I have the feeling you're doing busywork that I've assigned you; but you're showing no actual drive to sort me in turn.

Yeah as i've said i don't really care about sorting you right now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Any dance in a game of mafia, by design, is at least somewhat adversarial.

Especially since I opened this one by going out of my way to state I don't think you deserve to be on my day two ticket list any more.

Not if i decide it isn't

Ah ok, so i misunderstood this also, my bad, i thought you were reiterating i was on the list or something

pedit : I trust the vibes

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

also reminder that by default, people are at a 75-25 ratio in your average game

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I don't think this is going to be helpful :/

I guess I want to hear from the champagne drinkers if any of it was useful for them?

hmmm, sorry i didn't give you what you were looking for, will try to think over what all that means for your alignement later, maybe some slight minus points due to expecting me suspecting you but that's all i've got

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There is a third secret type called "i trust who i want"

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

save a townie, join the Tenshi wagon

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why are you scumreading Tenshi again? I think they're town tbh

I feel it in my bones

i could try producing a scumcase too but this is more something that comes after the fact to justify myself rather than a legitimate unbiased case so i doubt it would hold much worth

but to make it short, the general air around them / the pretty huge neutrality they show, our somewhat slow / static gamestate indicates scum are not in a hurry to do things / are doing their own thing alone

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I feel like Kagerou is whispering trust me at a subsonic level and, yeah. I want to yeet that.

trust me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why are you scumreading Tenshi again? I think they're town tbh

I feel it in my bones

i could try producing a scumcase too but this is more something that comes after the fact to justify myself rather than a legitimate unbiased case so i doubt it would hold much worth

but to make it short, the general air around them / the pretty huge neutrality they show, our somewhat slow /

static gamestate indicates scum are not in a hurry to do things

/ are doing their own thing alone

I can see this argument about the current state of the game generally, but I'm not sure that points to Tenshi being scum in particular

I mean, Tenshi is a slot that's been relatively spared of scrutiny since the start right?

Granted, you could make that case for a lot of people, i just think it points to Tenshi cause they both never received that much pressure and don't put themselves that fowards

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I also think they're casually lying about minor things to hide themselves from scrutiny. It doesn't further the town's win condition.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

otherwise look, maybe you're not getting anything but if it wasn't working out for me i would absolutely try to play more traditionally

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

You could've scrutinized them whenever you wanted, you don't seem to have an issue getting in people's way.
Why not tenshi who is generally trying to put themselves out there?

i'm sorry but i don'r get what you're saying here

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why are you scumreading Tenshi again? I think they're town tbh

I feel it in my bones

i could try producing a scumcase too but this is more something that comes after the fact to justify myself rather than a legitimate unbiased case so i doubt it would hold much worth

but to make it short, the general air around them / the pretty huge neutrality they show, our somewhat slow /

static gamestate indicates scum are not in a hurry to do things

/ are doing their own thing alone

I can see this argument about the current state of the game generally, but I'm not sure that points to Tenshi being scum in particular

I mean, Tenshi is a slot that's been relatively spared of scrutiny since the start right?

Granted, you could make that case for a lot of people, i just think it points to Tenshi cause they both never received that much pressure and don't put themselves that fowards

Right so I guess my issue with this logic is that I think this can describe many people

Are these many people in the room with us right now

no like really who else does this apply to ? I guess reisen but i personally TR her

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I've lost the plot completely here too.

Just gonna step away and come back with fresh brain.

before you leave give me gun to head a read on Tenshi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

They say they're not in a position to push players traditionally, but pretty much, nothing is indicating that this is the case.
They're here, they're active, they're relatively cogent, and their opinions and points are not insane.
They can push whenever they want, they've chosen not to.

Y-y-you really think my opinions and points are not insane?

And yeah look whatever confidence issues, i don't trust i'd be able to bring it home by playing normally so i'm doing it like that regardless

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

You could've scrutinized them whenever you wanted, you don't seem to have an issue getting in people's way.
Why not tenshi who is generally trying to put themselves out there?

i'm sorry but i don'r get what you're saying here

You could've scrutinized or gotten in their way like you've gotten in my or clown's way, but you haven't. Tenshi seems very willing, almost ethically constrained to respond to people. They "owe" people responses, they don't leave people hanging and say as much.
I don't feel like your play makes sense.

Yeah exactly, i think that's scummy

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Not in a position = i'm bad at the game so it won't work out

I also felt like people just weren't viewing me in a bright light to start with, and you're kinda proving my point

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why would people view you in a bright light automatically?

Because i'm a shining beacon of honesty

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

They say they're not in a position to push players traditionally, but pretty much, nothing is indicating that this is the case.
They're here, they're active, they're relatively cogent, and their opinions and points are not insane.
They can push whenever they want, they've chosen not to.

Y-y-you really think my opinions and points are not insane?

And yeah look whatever confidence issues, i don't trust i'd be able to bring it home by playing normally so i'm doing it like that regardless

I don't think that you have the thread presence to materialize a wagon on any of the people that you listed in your "high charisma players" list, but I feel like you could reasonably make a push happen on other players.

But your votes so far have not felt like they have actually come with any real attempt to get people to follow you.

But you are also outwardly saying that you are not trying to lead people this game, so :shrug:

Well, look i think i know myself and my capabilities better than you do right? Especially since we're in anon format

this is also a problem of i hoped to find other townies pushing wagons i like but so far everything is just icky so that doesn't help

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why would you think that this would be the case, when there's simply no way your posts aren't designed to be at least slightly vexing?

Do you remember your "Tee-Hee" response?
The best you're gunna get from that is neutrality.

i think you're taking things too seriously

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well, look i think i know myself and my capabilities better than you do right? Especially since we're in anon format

I'm just saying that you have an approach and posting style that I gravitate towards, and I actually think that if your most verbose scum case was against someone other then me, I might be inclined to follow you.

Maybe tommorow i'll be in a scumcasing mood, can't promise anything

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well, look i think i know myself and my capabilities better than you do right? Especially since we're in anon format

I'm just saying that you have an approach and posting style that I gravitate towards, and I actually think that if your most verbose scum case was against someone other then me, I might be inclined to follow you.

Maybe tommorow i'll be in a scumcasing mood, can't promise anything

Okay, just promise you wont come back with another clownpiece scum case, because I still cant follow you on that one

Truth is i'm secretly rolling a dice in my notes PT before i take any stance in the thread so you've got a 12/13 chance

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou, your largest scum read, Clownpiece, is basically a universal town read at this point. do you find this problematic in any way? is there a reason you're not fighting harder to get people to see what you're seeing?

well, there are 2 worlds : i'm wrong, scum probably doesn't care about me being the only person townreading clown and they probably eat a nightkill
i'm right : you can't kill more than one scum per day, so there's no harm in trying to kill elsewhere and leave it for later, and like you've said, she's UTR, even if i'm correct fighting against that would be more disruptive than anything imo

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Daiyousei

back on this i guess

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

While Aya has stuck to character at the expense of game content, which makes her unreadable, she didn't pretend to contribute!

she posted a bunch without providing meaningful game content, i'm not sure how much more "pretend to contribute" one can get!

On the other hand, I also looked at your Kagerou case. And I also disagree there! Kagerou hasn't been pretending to look like they're helping like you say. In the posts yoy mentioned, they've been just posting their reads without making an attempt to appear like anything! I am not sure if you are just confused, or you are scum trying to force scumreads... but either way I feel like voting you.

posts 52, 57, and 61 combined to net zero meaningful opinion
post 104 is pretty much zero meaningful opinion
post 128 is pretty much zero meaningful opinion
the sanae "progression" over 104, 128, and 135 is net zero meaningful opinion
post 195 is a vote, which would be a meaningful opinion except there is no visible justification to it up to that point in their iso
etc etc.
things like "they could be town but they could be mafia" and "guess i'll have to wait and see" and voting someone "to see where this goes" are not meaningful reads, mafia can post these things without any effort! give me solid opinions on alignments that are defensible in the moment and i'm much more likely to believe you're town! they don't necessarily need to be things you'd dai on a hill for, as long as they're things you could genuinely justify believing (and do when asked)

This just in, town as the uniformed majority are more assured in their opinion than the informed minority

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can someone explain dai to me, I’ve been bouncing off their posts.

what's so bouncy in their posts? at best they're neutral and at most they feel fabricated to me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what are your wisdoms reisen

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Nothing popped out to me. I’m sure last night was more impactful for the players that could interact with each other real time though, so that’s nice.

I did see someone make a comment about the game state being slow and scum being content with its direction and that did ring some alarms.

That’s the type of indirect truth statements scum like to pull out for some town credit at some point. I don’t know who said it but side eye.

yes that's me !

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

cmon now

does 1 single post (which i think is very justified) undermine all that?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I maybe should stop acting scummy for the lulz

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah honestly that's fair

how would you feel about limming daiyousei over ichirin? i see they're both scumleaned by you

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I maybe should stop acting scummy for the lulz

if you’re town please do

if you’re scum keep it up!

am third party

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Can someone explain dai to me, I’ve been bouncing off their posts.

what's so bouncy in their posts? at best they're neutral and at most they feel fabricated to me

I get the fabrication too, but I'm trying not to read too much into it as they're trying to play a character

that's fair but it's also not a pass for being scummy outside of this whole character thingy

like, even if she has her doubters, Marisa is way more natural for instance

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

2) what makes a tenshi vote more interesting than a vote for me? maybe this is the self-loathing from generations of fairy hatred kicking in but i see myself as more likely to get exterminated than tenshi at this point in the game, so i don't understand why you'd vote tenshi ahead of me while thinking i'm more likely to be mafia

2) I'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you, i feel like the general avoidance around this slot could come from a place of more well inserted scumbuddies uneasy with the idea of drawing the light to their weak like

2) assuming your interest in seeing people's stances on tenshi is honest, what effort did you make to draw those stances out between the tenshi vote and the post i am responding to with this question? (this actually ties pretty neatly into what yuuka and piece have been saying about you lately)

still waiting for an answer to this btw ?_?

(ed. note: nested quotes are cleaned up for ease-of-reading purposes)

sorry missed it

- well, i maybe didn't get as much as i hoped directly at the, but i also feel like i've managed to prevent tenshi from just being able to fly under the radar undetected, and it's just that people don't really care about pushing there

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

yeah ik it's dumb counting the vote as that by itself, but it's true

I've lost the plot completely here too.

Just gonna step away and come back with fresh brain.

before you leave give me gun to head a read on Tenshi

save a townie, join the Tenshi wagon

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What is Tenshi cooking right now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I would also like people to engage me and stop ignoring me

Yeah sure i can do that

opinions on daiyousei?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I decided to make a reads list that was more then just structured them my PoE post.

Town:
Eternity Larva
Yuuka

Town Lean:
Marisa
Sanae
Reisen

I've seen enough to let them make it past day 1, but not solid reads by any means:
Koishi
Tenshi
Aya
Kagerou


I have seen enough to let them die on day 1, but not solid reads by any means:
Daiyousei
Kaguya

No one wants to listen to me, but I still think that this is scum:
Ichirin

Could you go in more details over your Yuuka townread? That's like, pretty sudden of you to put her this high i think

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

We’re clown partners.

Here all week

honk honk

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Daiyousei

back on this i guess

hello mod you forgot this

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

People blatantly going "hmm yes I seem to be only townreading the hyperposters this is a problem" and then not fucking doing anything about it is annoying as hell

We must sacrifice an LHF to appease the gods

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

would be curious to hear the opinion of anyone who still wants to wagon Kaguya right now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

uh Koishi why is half your scumcase on Yuuka points for her being town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

uh Koishi why is half your scumcase on Yuuka points for her being town

Because it's misformatted

yeah like duh i'm more curious as to how it came to be misformatted like that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I really should read better before posting shit

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Still, i guess i'm a bit curious, @Dai do you think scum!me / scum!tenshi at some level goes "Yes, Koishi already clarified that but i'm gonna ask again anyways"

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

That hyperposters are getting the occasional side-eye doesn't actually matter when the only wagons with more than one vote this game have been "bottom half of the activity count + Kagerou"

This is only a problem is zero of the scum are in the bottom half of activity count. Which is not something that I am actually worried about on Day 1 of a mafia game.

After sleeping on it I'm not a big fan of the goalpost shifting of "The hyperposter townreading isn't happening ok well actually it is but it isn't a problem"

banger post

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

it's certainly not a slam-dunk maftell but i do think it's more likely to come from mafia than town purely because of the foundational "town cases are honest, mafia cases are fabricated" premise of the game

i'd be making a bigger deal out of it if i thought doing that was worth it, but it's something i thought so i felt it worth posting

I mean, it seems more and more like we have really opposite views about the game but i think it's more likely for it to be an honest mistake than a dishonest fabrication basically, that's my point

But alright, maybe i'm making a bigger deal out of this than it deserves, i'm just getting really caught up on that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

(honest mistake not necessarily being town!indicative fwiw, like, scum can derp too)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I have stuff to say about that but will wait on Koichi's response

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I kinda wanna vote Ichirin for this catchup but that would mean admitting clownpiece is probably town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

(espe : i think the way he reads me / daiyousei is extremely forced)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

actually this is all theater and they're trying to land clown as the deepwolf

all is well (/sarcasm)

for real idk, i'm kinda warming up to clown, will need to see a flip before i can act confident on this read but i kinda was pretending like she was town for convinience anyways

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah go on what does that mean?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

sorry

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Ichirin

i'm cool with 1v1ing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Ichirin

i'm cool with 1v1ing

Cute OMGUS.

When i get pushed by scum i bite back

OMGUS is just buzzwording

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

rude

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

anyways plz don't lolhammer me thx

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh wait this wasn't about me

should go to sleep

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Ichirin

i'm cool with 1v1ing

Cute OMGUS.

When i get pushed by scum i bite back

OMGUS is just buzzwording

Alright then, you wanna tell everyone about your cool genuine scumcase you've been cooking up on me or did you just start throwing stones because I came onto your wagon?

going right for the throat i see

i don't have a case prepared but i'll just say that the way you voted me is extremely indicative that you are extremely excited to be voting me / you are projecting this excitement to us, something that town would have no reason for in this gamestate

especially disingenuous considering me being wagoned is nothing new, i'm not OMGUSing random people voting me

i think i'm at E-3 or something

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The fuck you mean i got caught with a disingenuous Tenshi read

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Oh yeah right that, was this really what Dai was about? I really think you're taking a mile from an inch there

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

at best she called me out for inefficiency, which yeah i'll admit i very much was

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And if i look at you with my cute wolf eyes does that change anything

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

at best she called me out for inefficiency, which yeah i'll admit i very much was

Again, you'll have to forgive me if I don't particularly trust you on this one. Daiyousei has been putting in the effort, you really haven't.

What do you mean you don't trust me, like this is not a question of trust this is a question of what was our conversation about

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kagerou can you explain why you feel this is scum Ichirin trying to push through your elimination vs. town Ichirin who feels confident about a read for the first time and is excited about it?

i am still catching up on the last six-ish pages so if you've done this already feel free to ignore this

Well, I feel like Ichirin would definetly be more honest about it if sie was actually town and excited about flipping scum!Kagerou

secondly, this scumread being on me at this exact moment just feel extremely convinient? Right as hir wagon threatens to get back on track

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I’m honestly confused what the case on Kagerou is?

too cute to live

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And if i look at you with my cute wolf eyes does that change anything

I think a metaphorical equivalent of puppy-dog eyes is how you've been getting away by mostly just fucking around despite the amount of people side-eying you. So no.

I tell you what if you unvote i forget the last 3 pages and we're buddies again

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kagerou can you explain why you feel this is scum Ichirin trying to push through your elimination vs. town Ichirin who feels confident about a read for the first time and is excited about it?

i am still catching up on the last six-ish pages so if you've done this already feel free to ignore this

Well, I feel like Ichirin would definetly be more honest about it if sie was actually town and excited about flipping scum!Kagerou

secondly, this scumread being on me at this exact moment just feel extremely convinient? Right as hir wagon threatens to get back on track

I did a catch-up. Something in that catch-up led me to believe you're scum. Go figure!

Yeah i think we get it now that's the third time you're saying this, and look, not saying this is impossible for this to come from town!you, just that this is exactly what scum!you needs to do, and your tone certainely isn't making me feel any different

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

sounds like we both agree on this being a fight to the death then

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Does this feel like theater to anyone else?

Only the greatest of entertainement for you all

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kouchi
I decided I don’t really believe them.

no pick a side

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well you see according to Daiyousei town can only do one thing at the time and i should've ran my head into the wall multiple times to try to squeeze pressure out of it or something

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

kinda think the way Ichirin is playing around Dai indicates T/S tbh

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

kinda think the way Ichirin is playing around Dai indicates T/S tbh

to elaborate on that, in a scum!Ichirin world hir play really feels like wanting to lim Dai after limming me by crediting her to the push, and likewise i doubt Dai would be ok with her partner sticking so closely to her

if the last scum turns out to also be someone in a precarious position, i'll maybe reconsider that as a "desperation play" sorta deal but for now there's no real reason to think about that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm not opposent to Koishi i guess but i would still be really sad if Ichirin lives

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

clown you're way too good at being aware about the gamestate please stop scaring me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I expected my "hey give a reads list" reply to have SOME impact in the thread after people kept bugging me for it but then it just kinda... didn't? Even from the requestor.

So that's weighing on me as something that probably means people don't know what to make of it? I guess?

well, most of the slots i'm curious of how you're viewing are still in nullreads, and waiting to see what your progression will be on those seems better

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Aya if you're still here can i maybe ask if you've read Ichirin's catchup posts / the stuff surrounding it? I think it's a big part of what makes hir scum and not LHF

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

That sounds really fun but also i still wanna kill you Ichirin, sorry

tbh for town this is basically a 1-shot Redirector with lots of neg utility

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Excuse me for not really seeing how town can use a hated / macho / random action redirection

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

We are not falling for too scummy to be scum please

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well, which ones do you think are bad faith?

You, Kagerou and Clownpiece for sure, Koishi could be trying to coast along without having to give in-depth analysis on me as an easy mislim, as I theorized. Otherwise I think Sanae and Tenshi just aren't really bothering to put in the effort to read me.

That's still like 4 townies at least who are legitimately thinking you're scum, i'm especially curious how clown is "in bad faith" where like, her case on you is quite voluminous

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I hear your disappointment. I don’t like switching my vote back after just getting a claim, but well. Your tone to me and goodness knows I cannot truly read or understand others. Seems genuine enough to me. Sorry if wrong Kage. Well, I’m sure you’ll get the elimination over the hill without me regardless if you really want it.

VOTE: Koishi

You seem to be under the impression that i'm some kind of dark force with mind control powers

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

go to sleep girl

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I think Yuuka's paranoia on me comes from a town place ? Like, i don't think scum acts like that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well you see according to Daiyousei town can only do one thing at the time and i should've ran my head into the wall multiple times to try to squeeze pressure out of it or something

Obviously this was not a case of "you must ask about it at every opportunity". Asking about it once or twice would have been sufficient. This commentary of yours is clearly intentionally disingenuous.

Well sorry but i really can't get my head into what your case is about and i think i'll just stop trying to

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Am kind of meh on voting out Ichirin, although that role is quite interesting. But we have a few people claiming anti-town powers, + I think this mod would/can/does make decent sounding fake-claims, so overall not going to read much else into the claim. I find the poison mechanic quite interesting

I think Aya last night was NAI, wish we actually had game-content from her

We are not falling for too scummy to be scum please

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yes Larva, i in fact didn't care about people townreading Clown cause i didn't wanna go anywhere with that read, now i wanna do something about Ichirin so i am in fact doing something about that read

My scumread on Ichirin materializes where sie comes after me because this is the post that makes me think he is scum

I think you're taking things that look surface level scummy without giving it more thoughts, you're better than this Larva

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

"makes me think sie is scum" sorry, i'm writing too fast

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I am capable of acting differently around different slots

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

My scumread on Ichirin materializes where sie comes after me because this is the post that makes me think he is scum

can you tell me what specifically in that post convinced you Ichirin was scum? i was not impressed with it either, but for that post to cause such a shift in your playstyle and a completely unwavering tunnel feels opportunistic to me when looking at the rest of your play today.

it is not "surface level scummy". in my opinion your behavior aligns with scum who's part of the PoE elimination pool and doing all they can to deflect onto low hanging fruit in the same position. this, alongside the fact that i've never really held you as a town read at any point, makes me far more confident you are flipping scum here than Ichirin.

but that was a cute way to try and deflect my reasons for suspecting you, try again when i'm not around to debunk them!

hir excitement about Daiyousei's case on me feels forced and exagerrated (sie even proved sie didn't understeand that well what it was about when phrasing stuff as if i was "caught red handed" This is absolutely not what the case is about) sie didn't make an effort to generate any material that's hirs about me, and this extremely contrasts with the content on other slots, way shorter and not that conclusives, this makes me think it's sincere (or like, as sincere as scum can be) but sie chose to push me as a way to save hirself

what part ? The part where i'm trying to pull as much heat on Ichirin / me as possible or the part where the case on me consists of "uhhh, yeah they could have pushed tenshi more" (strawmanning but that's to get the point across)

And look, i'm calling your read bad basically, i don't mind you being here to witness it, in fact i hoped it would make you reconsider that what you're seeing in me is in no way scummy

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

If this is not a post restriction please clarify, I'll assume it's a post restriction if you ignore this

That is almost certainly saying "I know your main, so my read is meta based, but I cannot say that out loud without breaking the rules."

I'm proud of the fact that I recognize precisely 0 people in this game

I have lobotomized myself to forget everything about other mafiascum people and their meta

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

Scum, kill it.

oops

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i mean, there's more about Ichirin but these are the points i care about hammering down

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what else is there about Ichirin that i’m missing?

Not really able to deliver on an ordered list cause it's more of an unorganized pile but basically for the stuff that comes to mind

-> The timing of the push is conspicuous, i'll admit that you can also raise this point against me but ichirin basically comes in the thread as sie has 3 votes and it looks pretty realistic for the day to end on hir

-> I'll admit that me calling hir earlier reaction extremely towny was poor choice of words, and it was more like... regular towniness?

-> Hir play is extremely reactive to how the thread angles around her, growing more proactive proportionally to pressure

-> General feelings that are hard to describe, i just don't like how sie describes my reaction as "OMGUS"

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what what

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

"Yeah ok i was exagerrating my read, it certainely wasn't outside the realm of scuminess"

what's confusing about this

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm starting to get quite pissed off how you're making shitpush after shitpush on me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow