Back to the Future Mafia - Over: Was Hill Valley saved?

[SnakePlissken]

Prod dodge a go go. I should point out I'm V/LA most weekends as I am also on family duties, plus next weekend is my birthday.

[vezokpiraka]

So. What is the plan today?

[Antifinity]

I wasn't fishing for reactions from Maru, I was hoping scum would jump off the wagon as it got near a lynch, but instead what I got was even better. Also, masons are impossible because abilities are dependent on time-period, so unless someone got "Mason" as their ability in every time period, it wouldn't really work out.

[Maruchan]

Oh good. Antifinity just pointed out that everyone has different roles in different time periods.

I wan't to ask about that but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. WOOT WOTO.

Thanks antifinity.

[Shadow Dancer]

So. What is the plan today?

Lynch scum?! Have any better ideas?

[xvart]

Un FoS Maruchan. He's annoying as hell but I'm more interested in the case on antifinity. Looking him over harder. Don't see the case on LC.

Why does you interest in antifinity warrant an unvote of Maruchan?

I personally think Antifnity is bad town.

How are you differentiating bad town from scum in this case?

I wasn't fishing for reactions from Maru, I was hoping scum would jump off the wagon as it got near a lynch, but instead what I got was even better. Also, masons are impossible because abilities are dependent on time-period, so unless someone got "Mason" as their ability in every time period, it wouldn't really work out.

Make up your mind. You've now said you were voting for the following reasons:

1. Crazy defense;
   
2. Reaction fishing; and,
   
3. Hoping scum would jump off the wagon when you joined the wagon.

So for the third reason you thought Maruchan was town being voted by scum and you were hoping to dissuade scum from continuing the wagon by increasing the number of people on it? Why would they have jumped the wagon because you joined?

[Antifinity]

No, that isn't what I said. I'm fishing for a reaction, not from Maru, but from scum on the wagon, who I expected would jump off as the wagon got too close to lynch.

[LordChronos]

No, that isn't what I said. I'm fishing for a reaction, not from Maru, but from scum on the wagon, who I expected would jump off as the wagon got too close to lynch.

Why would you expect scum to jump off as the wagon got close too lynch? That makes no sense given you think Maru is town. (At least, I think you do, based on your terrible lynch comment in post 86.)

[kiwieagle]

No, that isn't what I said. I'm fishing for a reaction, not from Maru, but from scum on the wagon, who I expected would jump off as the wagon got too close to lynch.

I say your being opportunistic and suddenly your saying that you were on the wagon to find people being opportunistic?

[vezokpiraka]

I'm not seeing atifinity scum here. He's just himself.

[Antifinity]

No, that isn't what I said. I'm fishing for a reaction, not from Maru, but from scum on the wagon, who I expected would jump off as the wagon got too close to lynch.

Why would you expect scum to jump off as the wagon got close too lynch? That makes no sense given you think Maru is town. (At least, I think you do, based on your terrible lynch comment in post 86.)

I don't think scum would want to be on an arbitrary lynch of town, 3-4 pages into the first day. That's impossibly suspicious. I was hoping as more people piled on, scum would jump off first.

[Maruchan]

His stance makes slight sense, but also at the same time it is very shaky. It was an interesting tactic, but it had as much danger of lynching me as of finding him scum.

[Antifinity]

I didn't think you'd get lynched, but hey, I found prob-scum, so it evens out, right?

[SnakePlissken]

I'm not convinced either way, I think that we are most likely looking at town, town. However I'm not completely ruling out the possibility.

[havingfitz]

Labor Day prod dodge.

[xvart]

Labor Day. Should have a post tonight.

[Shadow Dancer]

Just a prod dodge... Had a bad day, and to make things worse those bastards lynche me in campaign mafia..., sorry, just not in the mood to do my reread now...

[Maruchan]

Shadow I know how you feel about that campaign mafia.

[xvart]

No, that isn't what I said. I'm fishing for a reaction, not from Maru, but from scum on the wagon, who I expected would jump off as the wagon got too close to lynch.

When did you determine that it was a scum fueled wagon?

I'm not seeing atifinity scum here. He's just himself.

More details please.

I didn't think you'd get lynched, but hey, I found prob-scum, so it evens out, right?

But you didn't find scum based on your "experiment." Plus, you admit your vote is also OMGUS, so it wasn't like "ooohhh prob scum."

[kiwieagle]

Yeah, the only reason he thinks im scum is cause I pointed out a flaw in his umm "reaction test"

[Dekes]

D1 Vote count #5

Antifinity

(L-3) - kiwieagle, MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, xvart, havingfitz

Maruchan

(L-4): Shadow Dancer, Starbuck, LordChronos

PeregrineV

(L-5): SnakePlissken, ooba

Shadow Dancer

(L-6): Maruchan

LordChronos

(L-6): vezokpiraka

kiwieagle

(L-6): Antifinity

Not voting (0)

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With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline expires in (expired on 2011-09-13 19:30:00)

V/LAs:

Starbuck:

09/02 - 09/06

MagnaofIllusion:

09/02 -09/06

Alright, Labor Day's over and I expect you guys to go back to regular activity tomorrow. If activity doesn't pick up by tomorrow night (meaning > 5 prod dodging posts in 24 hours), I'll send out a mass prod, just in case. PeregrineV and ooba are due for a prod, so that's been done already.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Kiwieagle

– Your content this game has basically revolved around Anti. Who else do you suspect at this early juncture?

@Shadow

– Still waiting for your promised insight re: the Maru wagon.

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I personally think Antifnity is bad town.
If he flips town, we should look at xvart, Starbuck\SD and Snake.

1. Why do you feel Antifinity is ‘bad Town’?
2. Why would you look at those four specifically?
3. What do you think of LC?

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Oh good. Antifinity just pointed out that everyone has different roles in different time periods.

I wan't to ask about that but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. WOOT WOTO.

Thanks antifinity.

Why do you think that Anti has better an idea of the set-up than you do?

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I was on the Maru wagon for the same reason I imagine most people were. Reaction fishing. I don't think there is much a chance at all that Maru is scum. Kiwieagle tried to distance himself from the lynch he wasn't even on, which makes it seem like he knew for sure Maru was going to flip town, and was worried Maru might actually get lynched. Since the format makes it unlikely for Masons to exist, I strongly suspect Kiwieagle of knowing Maru is town because Kiwieagle is scum.

Please explain how Kiwieagle is scummy for not thinking Maru was scummy (aka distancing from the wagon) and attacking you for a very weak leap onto a wagon you now say you didn’t even believe in. Because that looks more like behavior coming from someone looking to hunt scum.

Why is no-one else (like, for example, myself) who has called your play scummy scum who was ‘distancing’?

I wasn't fishing for reactions from Maru, I was hoping scum would jump off the wagon as it got near a lynch, but instead what I got was even better. Also, masons are impossible because abilities are dependent on time-period, so unless someone got "Mason" as their ability in every time period, it wouldn't really work out.

1. It’s a pretty absurd premise that scum would immediately back of a possible quicklynch of Town. Please see Invictus Mafia where Town Spyrex was quicklynched in just the manner you describe. Neither of the scum on the wagon leapt off fearing the result of the wagon. This is hardly the only very recent example of Town early quicklynches that scum didn't fear.

2. Nothing about your statement regarding “Masons are impossible” makes any sense at all. Why again can’t players be Masons in all Time periods again?

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Never ever?

Nothing is never ever. Don’t be foolish. The fact remains that in a Mini-Theme game scum are very unlikely to be worried about being buddied.

You interest in the very small possibility is noted.

At that point I hadn't gone and read through his other games, so I didn't know he was getting shit in multiple games for his style. At this point, I'd say it's justified.

So you just threw out a weak Meta tell on him that you now are retracting with only one other game as your basis? More on this regarding your response to Shadow's question later in this post.

Expressing disinterest in the lynch as a policy lynch? Duh?

Then it was a fluff, contentless point to begin with. No reason to go out of your way to note you don’t like a Policy lynch Day 1 and then proceed to manufacture bad reasons to support said Policy lynch target’s wagon anyway. That’s scummy.

Point 1 - Don't necessarily mean Town PR or even Town doesn't mean that Obi-Wan Kenobi isn't more likely to be a power role than Zett Jukasa.

Point 2 - Bean, another Big Theme Name in that game, was a PR. Quit suggesting that I'm saying the suggestion (yes, it was a suggestion, if a soft one) of a mass nameclaim is only scummy if big name characters are guaranteed to be town PRs.

Point 3 - See parentheses response in Point 2.

You’ve yet to give single reason why his question was scummy other than you just saying it is. None. It isn’t role-fishing given that there is

ZERO

evidence that themed Names and PRs are related.

If you can’t find a scum motivation for what wasn’t a call for a Mass-Name-Claim in the first place then your stance is weak and scummy. I’m waiting for said motivation other than “I think it’s scummy”. That’s just you looking to label something scummy without being able to actually articulate why.

I thought you said he didn't suggest a mass name claim. Make up your mind. Why the heck are we talking like his only experience with claiming is that game, anyway? He has more posts than I do and has been in/is in about 2/3 as many games on this site as I have, and I don't see you clamoring that I'm new and my experience is limited.

He didn’t but you refuse to actually acknowledge this so I thought I would approach it from asking you to justify your position.

You dodged my question with this response.

Again ( as I have asked above ) – why do you find it scummy? I want actual scum motivation for what you claim was calling for a mass name claim.

Let me ask you something, MoI. What if I came into this game and said I've never had experience with a neighbor or neighborizer role before? Would you attack me for lying? Would you back off me if I said in response that I meant never off site? Would you back off me if you made a mistake about the level to which I was involved in an event in a recent game?

Again you are dodging the question and I’m getting rather sick of this behavior from you LC.

You directly lied regarding that game. He directly lied (according to you) regarding his experience based on that game. Why aren’t you just as scummy as he is?

Also, read my quote again. I didn't ask why you didn't ask him why he asked about the name claim. I asked why you didn't ask him why he would ask that question in this game with names but not his previous game with names.

I don’t care why he asked the question. There’s no scum motivation in asking it as I’ve said.

@SD

Yes, same game.

Ok, so you were attacking him on meta being different when he was a Serial killer in the game in question? Scumtastic.

[Antifinity]

Yeah, the only reason he thinks im scum is cause I pointed out a flaw in his umm "reaction test"

I think you're the scummiest player currently, because of this:

also for those curious, I find Maru townish and his lynch in page 4 is heavily opportunistic.

Yeah, I looked at you because I'm a very defensive player, but having your first analysis beyond "lolscum" being "oh, and I totally disagree with this lynch, just saying" isn't just not-scumhunting, it makes it look like you're trying to claim some sort of pro-town credit for knowing Maru is town.

[Maruchan]

Oh good. Antifinity just pointed out that everyone has different roles in different time periods.

I wan't to ask about that but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. WOOT WOTO.

Thanks antifinity.

Why do you think that Anti has better an idea of the set-up than you do?

I don't. I just don't want to be the person the town says "YOU IDIOT YOU JUST TOLD SCUM THAT WE ALL HAVE MULTIPLE ROLES" to. So I didn't want to ask if everyone else had multiple roles. However, Antifinity pointed it out without being asked, so I like him. ^_^

2. Nothing about your statement regarding “Masons are impossible” makes any sense at all. Why again can’t players be Masons in all Time periods again?

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

[xvart]

There is nothing impossible about it, however Antifinity I believe has a role PM similar to mine in which we change roels with the time period. If yours is different, please enlighten us or not as you see fit.

I would caution against assuming that shifting roles are indication of town alignment. I would assume that the same mechanics that might alter town roles may also alter scum roles; similar to the Color Concentration mafia mechanic.