TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[MegAzumarill]

ego

[MegAzumarill]

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get, I got my town pick, here are my picks:

Mafia: Goon(of an arbitrary faction) post 2180

Free: 10,000, post 10000

Mod Discretion: Alien Vote Donator, post 2367

I used a randomizer to choose roles so my town role may or may not be garbage too

Scum: I forgor give it 1 sec
Free: BP Survivor Hypogean
Mod discretion: Mafia Necromancer

[MegAzumarill]

Mafia Stalker was my groupscum
#4965

[MegAzumarill]

Players may sacrifice themselves to the Guardian Deity of Cops during the night. Everyone has gained the Sacrifice global ability.

Global ability:

• During the night, you may sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops to provide the Guardian Deity of Cops one Offering. If you sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops, you will unavoidably die.

Btw this is interesting. Do you think instead of limming we should force players to sacrifice themselves or be policy limmed next day?

Assuming that the deity of cops is town aligned.

I mean this doesn't seem like a great plan as a replacement to a lim and there's going to be town reasons not to (considering most of us presumably have some form of night ability) if we tried to do it in addition.

[MegAzumarill]

I think that just makes you goon if you rill groupscum

[MegAzumarill]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Spoiler:

[MegAzumarill]

would it be a good idea to claim authors?

The problem is if someone has an author that only has a few roles it could basically be a role claim

[MegAzumarill]

Something tells me its not me due to all my (town) roles in grandi being pretty bad

[MegAzumarill]

Something tells me its not me due to all my (town) roles in grandi being pretty bad

town?

I dont imagine you are claiming to be a werewolf

[MegAzumarill]

Something tells me its not me due to all my (town) roles in grandi being pretty bad

town?

I dont imagine you are claiming to be a werewolf

They claimed mod discretion

Makes sense then

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Radical Polaroid

What post is the guardian again? Not sure exactly how it works

[MegAzumarill]

The breaking strat doesn't seem like it would work then because the checks would be ince per day

[MegAzumarill]

Once*

[MegAzumarill]

The breaking strat doesn't seem like it would work then because the checks would be ince per day

I assumed it would just be however many offerings exist. If it is once per day, then I retract my assertion that it's probably not Town.

@Mod

How frequently is the Guardian Deity of Cops allowed to use the check ability, assuming offerings are available?

If not specified it would default to once per day.

A day vig with unlimited shots doesn't just shoot everyone and autowin.

[MegAzumarill]

tentative d1 towncore:
Itinerants
ZZZX
Guillotina
patchwork
camelCasedSnivy
Not_Mafia
iamveryhappy
--
PoE:
Nono
BlueSnakelet
MegAzumarill
Flavor Leaf
Cook
DragonEater70


slackers(non posters):
Arko
Invisibility

Excited to not be in the slackers category!

[MegAzumarill]

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

Why not?

[MegAzumarill]

I don't really at this point, just caught up but don't have things fully compartmentalized. Will have some more sorted thoughts in a few mins hopefully.

Dragon eater I'm mostly neutral about, I feel like its not a great initial push compared to some of the more quiet folk.

CamelCase's claim of author out of the blue feels scum leaning, I feel like scum generally are more incentivized to soft claim that way because a town role either usually doesn't want to draw kill attention or can verify their role through some means on their own.

[MegAzumarill]

you can worry about my role later

Why did you feel the need to try and make people worry about it sooner?

[MegAzumarill]

I disagree about claiming being scummy in role madness, but point taken that the upick format may lend itself to doing that, esp since they claimed mod discretion. I get sorta towny vibes from them outside of that regardless but ofc like endurance is everything when it comes to that.

It being primarily unprompted from what i can tell is what is offputting to me.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: ZZZX

Tonally I am not a huge fan here. ZZZ seems fairly passive, and it feels off. Happy if they prove me wrong with further play.

[MegAzumarill]

Guilla + Koba Town

[MegAzumarill]

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

Why not?

are you serious rn

Kinda
Early wagons tend to get the game moving forward and are pretty rarely lethal anyway

[MegAzumarill]

Catching up soon

whatd I miss

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.10

Cook (3) - DkKoba, ZZZX, camelCasedSnivy
Itinerants (2) - pisskop, BlueSnakelet
patchwork (1) - Nono
pisskop (1) - Itinerants

Not voting: Invisibility, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill, Cook, Arko, patchwork, Radical Polaroid, iamveryhappy

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-22 08:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

It appears to be a lot

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: pisskop

I thought DE was sorting Guardian Deity. pisskop being confused about it contradicts that, so either DE was faking the crumbs, or it's a scumrole that pisskop is trying to fake dumbtelling.

-Rat

What makes you think that?

[MegAzumarill]

marill can you do something towny please so i can change my vote

I have done nothing towny in my mafia career and I sure aint starting now

[MegAzumarill]

So I'm caught up, kinda feel like leaving zzx on the backburner for now, want to do stuff with new reps/cook/lowposters.

In the short term though don't have a lot of insightful comments. Probably gonna need to start a spreadsheet to keep up with this game

[MegAzumarill]

Open for questions though if someone wants me to focus on something in particular

[MegAzumarill]

Open for questions though if someone wants me to focus on something in particular

Curious about your thoughts on Koba actually.

Will sleep now, and read this game more later, but thats a good place to start

I've been a fan of their posting so far. Been fairly constructive toward scumhunting and I don't really see scum intent behind it. It's probably worth a thorough ISO at some point later in the game because strong players like koba can definitely do this as scum day 1 (in which case later days usually make them being scum more clear) but I'm more than fine writing them off as town for now.

To be honest their back off of you is partially why I wanted to focus elsewhere currently

[MegAzumarill]

Open for questions though if someone wants me to focus on something in particular

yo, so is my iso the pits or just a giant pit?

I'm fairly neutral over most of your slots iso in general, felt a little bit better on it pre replacment but its still pretty neutral if not slightly tl for me rn

[MegAzumarill]

when in doubt, omgus
this game is simply idea with no discards revealed and hate how i can't setup solve this

how do u solve a gim with a massclaim tho

Through the power of friendship

[MegAzumarill]

Got a day 1 cop guilty on clefable

[MegAzumarill]

Gettem

[MegAzumarill]

Will catch up a lil later today

[MegAzumarill]

i am here and i will now be catching up

[MegAzumarill]

yes listen to the guys whose iso looks like an episode of mad libs.

its very towny mad libs tho

[MegAzumarill]

can you tell me what you evolve into?

????

[MegAzumarill]

Am now caught up

Like patchworks recent stuff, like stds recent stuff

not a fan of IAVH, feels off and by the looks of things I'm not alone in that feeling

VOTE: IAVH

[MegAzumarill]

ok ya megmarill is scum

Incorrect

[MegAzumarill]

Am now caught up

Like patchworks recent stuff, like stds recent stuff

not a fan of IAVH, feels off and by the looks of things I'm not alone in that feeling

VOTE: IAVH

this feels like a post that both alignments could make but it's also really easy for scum to make :/ for someone who caught up with the game i think i'd expect more than just... that?
i think azumarill is going in my poe bin

My posts often aren't very telltale to my heart
I like to mask a red pm to my death
Often my weaker reads go back and forth like the pendulum in the pit
So for now I say them nevermore

[MegAzumarill]

I do think that iavh has a decent probability of being a miss and is kinda bait and... nono is the most blatant scum we have to kill with the kind of asspully takes theyve had that try to pretend they are reading and actively solving but come off as pretty fraudulent and agenda-y in that they push scummy bad faith arguments

I'm not really sold on nono, it just seems like garden variety lack of activity to me

Like its obviously not a lot but i dont feel like its trying to appear that way

[MegAzumarill]

Am now caught up

Like patchworks recent stuff, like stds recent stuff

not a fan of IAVH, feels off and by the looks of things I'm not alone in that feeling

VOTE: IAVH

this feels like a post that both alignments could make but it's also really easy for scum to make :/ for someone who caught up with the game i think i'd expect more than just... that?
i think azumarill is going in my poe bin

My posts often aren't very telltale to my heart
I like to mask a red pm to my death
Often my weaker reads go back and forth like the pendulum in the pit
So for now I say them nevermore

did u write me a poem

You will figure it out Allen good time

[MegAzumarill]

hey, nono, could you elaborate about why you scumread me? i know the difference between behaviors exhibited by town and behaviors exhibited by scum when they vote me, and if you could engage in discussion with me it'd help to sort you.

found it nvm

sorry, missed this
just felt like unnecessary effort to something out of nothing,, busywork, try to look towny etc,, insert quoted FL post, I agree
the second post? feels panicky, overly concerned over what? over me? i have no power here, why so tense xD

expecting me to effort? nah

least not now

meh, not feeling game

thoughts unchanged, @me if anything
won’t be claiming ty kbai

just finished catching up,

ngl skimmed

2manymonologues4me

trust dragon with my life no sarcasm
230 same, 100% xD VOTE: patch
rest unable to tell,, lots of words, not a lot of content
suppose koba towny, big assumptions (feels same as flavor, gullio) but good enough for now
will see how game progresses

bye flavor, nice seeing you)

Idk i just don't really see nono trying to present as solving more than they are

[MegAzumarill]

it looks like garden variety scum being frozen and forcing content to me ??

Disinterested town looks similar
Guess pressuring to make out the difference makes sense then

[MegAzumarill]

but like that still seems far off from what you are saying in #953

[MegAzumarill]

no i usually don't read them in the first place. but if i did i would probably not read my own slot

The true secret to mafia

[MegAzumarill]

Ive got time and a bit of a tummyache.

.

I isoed nono and I really dont have an opinion on nothing. A lot of carefully worded nothing, but still ultimately nothing. And I generally feel that way about a lot of slots. I promised I would iso guille, but never got to it.

Do you feel your current vote is better than a nothing slot? By how much if so?

[MegAzumarill]

T: DK, patch, yimmy? (not familiar with them but seems towny ig), std,
- Pisskop, Itinerats
- snivy?,
- IAVH, zzx,

[MegAzumarill]

i dont mind voting anyone i dont tr, but i would rather bludeon people who are active than people who aren't.

i would prefer to vote as i scumhunt, we're kind of in a bit of a lull rn.

why do you ask this? are you asking me to change my vote?

Im not really sure
Some part of me doesn't really get why the niggest wagons are still going

[MegAzumarill]

I guess the biggest hit against you is the lack of direction besides your own wagon but whatever

I don't really know what people are having against rats

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Nono

Fair enough

[MegAzumarill]

i will be happy to revote i just want to give some time on this one

that fair?

Why do you feel the need to ask permission to move your own vote?

[MegAzumarill]

i feel like you could make that case on half this playerlist bro

Do you think its an incorrect observation?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: cook

lmao sike

(gasp)

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Nono

Interesting turn of events
I mean Camel is scum dying at night tonight or scum we can freely lim tomorrow so I think im just going back to this

[MegAzumarill]

A rolestopper works at night but the GrandI role seems to have it as a modifier

I don't think its unreasonable to think it could be interpereted a modifier is always active (I mean by that logic a BP player could be dayvigged no?)

[MegAzumarill]

World's Best Role

- You are a Rolestopped Unjester.
- However, if you name a non-Normal role that is in the game by PM'ing the mod, your Rolestopped

modifier

is removed.

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.25

camelCasedSnivy (2) - DkKoba, Enchant
MegAzumarill (1) - patchwork
Nono (1) - MegAzumarill
Enchant (1) - camelCasedSnivy

Not voting: Save The Dragons, BlueSnakelet, Not_Mafia, pisskop, Cook, Yimmy, Nono, iamveryhappy, ZZZX, Itinerants

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 1 deadline is frozen at 5 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes until replacements are found.

ugh

@mod does being Rolestopped also affect day actions?

I can't answer that question.

STD is voting me

[MegAzumarill]

Again if you claimed Unjester: Go ahead kill self N1 and get your win.

But you only did after being shot. Fuck that.

This is a good point.


VOTE: Snivy

[MegAzumarill]

you can policy me day 2 ffs what could i possibly be that's a wreck to town night 1

Any scum PR

[MegAzumarill]

enchant is scum

they want me dead because its practically a no lim and cop god doesnt get any offerings from itt

we should lim enchant just to verify this theory cause if it's true then the cop god isn't mafia aligned and we can follow through on having everyone sacrifice themselves to it. i know it's only one shot per day. we can do it anyway. i just think it would be fun

An Enchant flip wouldnt confirm scum or town for cop god?

[MegAzumarill]

thought process: enchant doesn't want snivy to sacrifice, so enchant doesn't want the cop to have shots, so enchant is not aligned with the cop
technically this leaves third party god but that's a risk i'm willing to take

thought process: Yimmy wants to kill Enchant, so yimmy is not aligned with enchant, so we should flip yimmy to confirm enchant
technically this leaves third party enchant but that's a risk i'm willing to take

[MegAzumarill]

Snivy not gonna sacrifice, Snivy wants another night.

why would i claim a role that sacrifices themselves lol

1. You were locked in to a small subset of claims before you necessarily knew that you being bulletproof was public knowledge.
2. That makes it much more likely for you to survive that night.

[MegAzumarill]

How about the fact that there has been a known living non-normal role since daystart, and that he was still rolestopped when the shot was fired?

Especially after flavor leaf was claiming dayvig earlier the idea of getting shot day 1 would have surely prompted guessing the cop god and removing the rolestop?

[MegAzumarill]

I don't even think its necessarily unlikely they are unjester and have played weirdly
But there's enough room for reasonable doubt and things can go from mildly to catastrophically (think framer, vanilaiser, governor situations) wrong if they aren't.

[MegAzumarill]

yeah i didnt

my first thought was common non-normal roles came to mind, which were godfathers and dayvigs

So what did you guess? At minimum gives us knowledge of what isnt in the game if your role is true

[MegAzumarill]

tbh snivy and enchant aren't same alignment unless its 3p v 3p infighting, koba and snivy are w/t i think... w meaning non-town

I mean snivy is strictly always nontown as an unjester claim so idrk what the point of this comparison is

[MegAzumarill]

I mean snivy is strictly always nontown as an unjester claim so idrk what the point of this comparison is

Do I want to kill an unjester with votes?

It's not a strictly bad outcome is it?

[MegAzumarill]

And that's the worst case scenario

[MegAzumarill]

And the odds seem safer to me that its a fakeclaim than say randomlurker#2 just happens to be a scum slot

[MegAzumarill]

I dont know.

Clearly I need to look up what an unjester is.

Survivor that also wins if not elimed

[MegAzumarill]

I dont know.

Clearly I need to look up what an unjester is.

Survivor that also wins when they die and are not elimed

ebwop

[MegAzumarill]

In my opinion: If you want to pass yourself off as not a threat to town you need to contribute as a town aligned person would.

Id consider them to be an elim later on, or policy bait if we cant decide on scum today

The problem I find as keeping them as a policy lim for tomorrow and them living is some role could mess with the voting somehow, we could want to resolve some guilty inspect, etc.

Or they just use some powerful scum role tonight and we are punished for not limming the conf nontown

[MegAzumarill]

In my opinion: If you want to pass yourself off as not a threat to town you need to contribute as a town aligned person would.

Id consider them to be an elim later on, or policy bait if we cant decide on scum today

The problem I find as keeping them as a policy lim for tomorrow and them living is some role could mess with the voting somehow, we could want to resolve some guilty inspect, etc.

Or they just use some powerful scum role tonight and we are punished for not limming the conf nontown

Or you can be rewarded by getting a possibly free cop check for you guys tommorow

I mean we already have someone saccing to get a check for n2 so this isn't really relevant

[MegAzumarill]

I mean we already have someone saccing to get a check for n2 so this isn't really relevant

You mean enchant?

Enchant, are you 100% going to nuke yourself for us? Is it a vig like Flavor?

Patchwork has a beneficial on death effect (stopping nks the next cycle) and offered

[MegAzumarill]

Copping God: [Day Action] Expend 1 Offering to get returned a living player's true alignment.

Then we have day 2 covered still
Setup breaks if multichecks in a day so i dont see the point

[MegAzumarill]

Like seriously. Are you a bunny? cmon

I don't really get the context of the question but ues

[MegAzumarill]

So you want to hammer known town to prevent kills?
I'm not sure thats a great move
I feel like martyr (at least how its described, didn't read the grandI post yet) is stronger later in the game and getting the kpn is kinda important for scumhunting.

Plus we could, you know, try to hammer scum instead

[MegAzumarill]

And patch and pisskop both confirm they are conftown to each other?

[MegAzumarill]

So you want to hammer known town to prevent kills?
I'm not sure thats a great move
I feel like martyr (at least how its described, didn't read the grandI post yet) is stronger later in the game and getting the kpn is kinda important for scumhunting.

Plus we could, you know, try to hammer scum instead

fwiw it lets investigatives do their thing

A free night of investigation still feels more useful after some invests have outed rather than the random chance they die n1. (Potentially from a guilty on day 2)

[MegAzumarill]

But I guess in that scenario we aren't free to elim the guilty then because we would have to do patch

[MegAzumarill]

Ok yeah that makes sense

[MegAzumarill]

im literally martry hwo would pisskop die

?

[MegAzumarill]

So you want to hammer known town to prevent kills?
I'm not sure thats a great move
I feel like martyr (at least how its described, didn't read the grandI post yet) is stronger later in the game and getting the kpn is kinda important for scumhunting.

Plus we could, you know, try to hammer scum instead

fwiw it lets investigatives do their thing

A free night of investigation still feels more useful after some invests have outed rather than the random chance they die n1. (Potentially from a guilty on day 2)

It was mostly this post that pinged me.

A free night of investigatives is obviously more valuable BEFORE scum knows who to roleblock, and they're shielded from (most) kills anyway.

Feels like mental gymnastics to avoid missing out on the kills.

I mean in a vacuum kills and inspects both get more powerful as the game goes on, so a free night of investigation later is strictly better than earlier.

Though i do see how us having to sacrifice our elim for the free night makes it better to do now than later

VOTE: Patch

[MegAzumarill]

idk why you all would prefer this game get put on ice

I mean it feels on ice currently

[MegAzumarill]

Morning all

[MegAzumarill]

Makes our lives easier at least

[MegAzumarill]

Anyone have a juicy guilty to out?

But what if I wanna be mysterious

[MegAzumarill]

I have visited someone. If anyone has a role that confirms who, now is your chance to prove it.

Strangely threatening

[MegAzumarill]

MegAz, you were my D1 choice for a copping.

The role card says 'I get the true alignment' of anyone.

How says you

I mean I'm intending on claiming today regardless, I'd kinda rather you check someone else for a potential but it can most likely wait a bit

[MegAzumarill]

Probably wait until after I claim so its not doubled up on the same person

[MegAzumarill]

Im concerned due to what I assume was Cook stealing my offerings.

?

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

[MegAzumarill]

Flavor died to their dayvig

[MegAzumarill]

What?

[MegAzumarill]

Flavor Leaf has quit. They were a

Town Melded Vengeful Quitter

Spoiler: Flavor Leaf

TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, Flavor Leaf! You are a

Town Melded Vengeful Quitter

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• During the day, you may voluntarily leave the game. Once you leave the game, you may attempt to kill a player.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Guillotina has died during the day. They were a

Town Brainshocker

Spoiler: Guillotina

TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, Guillotina! You are a

Town Brainshocker

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• Each night, you may redirect a target's actions to themself.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Votes have been reset.

VC 1.8

Not voting: camelCasedSnivy, Invisibility, BlueSnakelet, DkKoba, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill, DragonEater70, Cook, Arko, patchwork, Radical Polaroid, Itinerants, Nono, iamveryhappy, ZZZX

With 15 alive it takes 8 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-22 08:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

[MegAzumarill]

Cook is dayvig, no?

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah im really not sure whats going on over there with that role of yours

Prolly leave it at that for now

[MegAzumarill]

Some thought makes me want to make people commit to this now.

People should claim if they are in a neighborhood or other similar PT.

*Masonries don't need to out, but PTs without alignment information on the members still should.

[MegAzumarill]

Some thought makes me want to make people commit to this now.

People should claim if they are in a neighborhood or other similar PT.

*Masonries don't need to out, but PTs without alignment information on the members still should.

If people aren't they should probably say so too.

[MegAzumarill]

I am in PT.

How much you say you read in that pt?

[MegAzumarill]

I am in PT.

How much you say you read in that pt?

What you mean? Amount of posts?

Not really about the posts

Don't worry about it if you don't get what I'm talking about

[MegAzumarill]

Mech breakdown since people don't seem to want to read Day 1.

One shot Dayvig as a role doesn't exist according to 3p.
Pisskop is a day alignment cop we can sacrifice ourselves at night to give more checks to. Currently has 1 check.
Cook had the power to dayvig day 1, doing so when their wagon picked up momentum, otherwise unknown for role.
Pisskop is an ISK according to patchwork, and therefore is mech!town if we trust patchwork's flip.
Other deaths have been to a day 1 dayvig/selfkill courtesy of flavor leaf.
NM and Eira are VT claims.
Some people but not all have claimed between mod discretion and town.

I think that's about it?

[MegAzumarill]

Mech breakdown since people don't seem to want to read Day 1.

One shot Dayvig as a role doesn't exist according to 3p.
Pisskop is a day alignment cop we can sacrifice ourselves at night to give more checks to. Currently has 1 check.
Cook had the power to dayvig day 1, doing so when their wagon picked up momentum, otherwise unknown for role.
Pisskop is an ISK according to patchwork, and therefore is mech!town if we trust patchwork's flip.
Other deaths have been to a day 1 dayvig/selfkill courtesy of flavor leaf.
NM and Eira are VT claims.
Some people but not all have claimed between mod discretion and town.

I think that's about it?

The role One Shot Dayvig specifically, or any role that can dayvig exactly one time?
Can pisskop daycop multiple times per day?
Cook was wagoner d1 and saved by a dayvig, why? What about the dayvig made her town?
What the fuck is an ISK?
Mechanically, how were roles decided this game. I thought it was supposed to be a upick?

1. The role specifically
2. No
3. Dayvig went off (public message so some ability resolved) but target didn't die so we shifted gears to focus on why they were bp.
4. Mason that always is town, effectively IC atp.
5. Upick, vetoed roles replaced by vanilla. Picks were town/groupscum/any/mod discretion. If you got your mod discretion pick you are any alignment mod chooses. Otherwise you are the alignment of the other pick type you got. (With 'any' being the alignment of that role)

[MegAzumarill]

Bingle, Itinerats and Psyche (by my count) need to confirm if they are in a pt or not.

[MegAzumarill]

Bingle, Itinerats and Psyche (by my count) need to confirm if they are in a pt or not.

sorry if i missed this but: why?

I've asked everyone to because of my last night's results.

[MegAzumarill]

Bingle, Itinerats and Psyche (by my count) need to confirm if they are in a pt or not.

I told you I wasn’t in a pt in our pt. Go check it once in a while.

My bad

[MegAzumarill]

Well as things look currently my information isn't going to be immideately useful

[MegAzumarill]

What’s cookin’?

not me, clearly

highlights of day 1:

flavor leaf quit the game and took guillotina with him
the guardian deity of cops is gonna be this game's amway i think
patchwork died so that no kills could happen
i failed to shoot camelCasedSnivy, snivy claimed a role of mine and then sacrificed himself
no kills happened

i started fighting with dkkoba, megazumarill is gambiting with a PT cop power (presumably) and three people rep'd out

i think that's everything?

I believe koba claimed a visiting role as well.

[MegAzumarill]

Do you have a compelling reason not to give up the information eira?

[MegAzumarill]

Tell us why it's absurd to claim picks that you did not receive

Because it's like looking at people trying to catch a bird by putting a net in a cage and asking it why the sky's blue. And I honestly I just find it funny.

I actually explained why it's useful to know at some point iirc and refusing to claim was precisely why i initiated the game with it bc it implies something about one of the picks

Koba I'm here to vote scum. There's two days left. To me these things are a timewaste. Itenerants likely in a scum PT. Enchant so silent today that them being town is a hard sell.Bingle I'm not even going to start talking about. If you want to be like Bingle and only focus on me go ahead. If it really matters so much I'll even claim it, when there's a massclaim. but you can lim me before i decide to waste any more time on something i've never attached even an iota of value toin terms advancing the game.

You know claiming it would have saved a signifigant amount of time and energy related to this conversation.

You are wasting time currently from withholding information, seemingly out of spite of Bingle?

[MegAzumarill]

I claim mason bitches

So?
We don't even know if theres a mafia right now. Could be wolves, aliens, etc.

Like the only masonlike with a decent degree of relevance here is ISK.

[MegAzumarill]

Enchant,

I understand why you want to oppose the Psyche wagon but ignoring that situation what are your thoughts on the slot's alignment?

[MegAzumarill]

Because it has to be considered in case of a s/t split, probably not today but it will be looming for the foreseeable future

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

And specifically mason and not another variation on neighbor/mason?

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

are you masons with Patchwork, the dead mason?

Give it a sec before checking I want to finish up my line of questioning here

[MegAzumarill]

Actually missed last night that wheme was
psyche replacement (thought it was N_M rep cause their opening)

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

And specifically mason and not another variation on neighbor/mason?

Not commenting

It is very important for you to do so

[MegAzumarill]

If you really don't want to say which i suppose its fine if you at least verify that your PT guarentees that members aren't a certain alignment?

[MegAzumarill]

BRO IM NOT CLAIMIN MY ROLE LETS MOVE ON

So why did you claim mason?

Why shouldn't I invoke lim all liars?

[MegAzumarill]

Answer very carefully

[MegAzumarill]

That's E-2

[MegAzumarill]

Well that's something

[MegAzumarill]

Day 3 Flavor

Mundane Pylon

DkKoba has died during the day. They were a

Town Cold-Blooded Doctor

Spoiler: DkKoba

TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, DkKoba! You are a

Town Cold-Blooded Doctor

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• Each night, you may protect someone from being killed.
• Anything that would trigger as a result of your actions (e.g. PGO and Reflexive roles) doesn't trigger.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Day 3 has begun!

VC 3.0

Not voting: Titus, Bingle, JacksonVirgo, MegAzumarill, pisskop, Cook, Gamma Emerald, Itinerants, Eiralox, ZZZX

With 10 alive it takes 6 to exile.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2023-10-23 17:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

@TemporalLich Is this supposed to say died during the night?

[MegAzumarill]

So are we thinking probably 3-4 scum left?

I guess 5 and 3:3:1 split isn't entirely impossible, but 2:3:1 or 4:1 seems more likely

[MegAzumarill]

I'd like to hear people's thoughts about massclaiming

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like we are in PMELO so while I don't particularly want to out my role I think it may be best to get as much mechanical knowledge as possible

[MegAzumarill]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

Why do you ask?

[MegAzumarill]

In addition, I agree that Enchant hammer is probably from antispew shenanigains

[MegAzumarill]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

it was because it would post the unredacted role pm's of every player who wasn't mafia if i used it, right?

because it would blow the setup wide open and break the game if i pulled that trolley lever, right?

It revealed all the town pms?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean what makes you think Bingle is the one that gave you the invention?

[MegAzumarill]

I have no doubts what Cook is saying is real

But I don't see where Bingle has anything to do with it feels like its connected because he said his role is gamebreaking but that doesn't mean they are claiming to be the role giving out the invention

[MegAzumarill]

I suspect the invention isn't as strong as Cook said and doesn't reveal town players (Possibly by mistake)

I think this because I also got a confusingly worded invention that specifically reveals whether cook got an ability to reveal all nontown, nonmafia members, among a few other things I'll get into a little later

[MegAzumarill]

viewtopic.php?t=59348&start=2090

Here's the role giving these out, that makes Cook clear from being mafia at least.

Took a while to find

[MegAzumarill]

Why would a negative be included if the inventor is town?

What are you asking I don't follow

[MegAzumarill]

How exactly did picks work btw?

We picked 1 pick for town. 1 pick for groupscum, 1 was our choice. and 1 was any role but alignment becomes mod disceretion

If your pick wasn't allowed for that faction you got vanilla

[MegAzumarill]

okay. kill bingle. either was a free space, scum pick, or mod discretion. that's a 2/3 chance of a red flip

Why do you think bingle is the inventor?

[MegAzumarill]

Anyway I do want to say I don't think my invention is net positive to town to use.

It would reveal all 3ps who could win with the mafia, but it would also do so at the end of day so it gives mafia no chance to crosskill something like a jester or survivor

[MegAzumarill]

It does some other shenanigains too but thats really the only potential positive

[MegAzumarill]

So are we certain Bingle is the inventor?

No

[MegAzumarill]

Easy enough.

Eir, Bingle, Itinerants, other people.

Pretty sure eir is a vt claim

[MegAzumarill]

Easy enough.

Eir, Bingle, Itinerants, other people.

Pretty sure eir is a vt claim

Why are you sure? Why answer for Eir?

They already claimed? Why waste time getting the same claim from a slot that already claimed?

[MegAzumarill]

Does someone who is not a major suspect vouch for this?

I'm not a fan of massclaims before elo unless we can crack the game from them.

I mean I do

I'm pretty sure the reason my invention had its abilities is that mafia is pushing for a majority amount tonight with potential 3p allies.

[MegAzumarill]

Betting on there being multiple gamebreaking roles? Perhaps you were not aware the alignment of the Inventor was announced? Simply making a tactical error?

Actually, on that note, @Meg, did your invention also announce it came from Mafia?

-Rat

It did not

[MegAzumarill]

Did contain a math joke tho so that was cool

[MegAzumarill]

Why don't we get claims in the order the IC decreed?

[MegAzumarill]

This doesn't feel town led

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Eiralox

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Eiralox

y?

scum guessed right i'm not a vt btw

I'm a big supporter of Lim all Liars

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Eiralox

y?

scum guessed right i'm not a vt btw

I'm a big supporter of Lim all Liars

You've got another chance

Lim Eir and then this if Eir hammers. This is not a town post.

lie

I actually don't think Eir and Elements are scum together, either. I think they're probably different teams.

lie

There’s a reason I didn’t play this game from the start, and it’s not that I’m bad at mech.

lie

well i have claimed. scum just had enchant in pt and enchant has seen me claim vt as pr so i suspect at least that might be the origin of the idea.

Eiralox inherited the VT claim.

Meg is the one who brought it up after both eir and I replaced in N1.

lie? yeah?

but eir doesn’t even pretend to want to solve the game.

VOTE: Eiralox

lie

Tries to get Meg, who they say seem townie but is de facto cleared already.

Why is Meg cleared?

lole

NM, Eiralox: what roles did you submit that got vetoed?

lole
Does it matter? Overall I have little reason to interact with you beyond what I've already said. I haven't felt you approach my slot in good faith or with any depth, you've basically done nothing today, blah blah blah i'm sort of tired so if don't end it here i'll rant on and on. And N_M already shared all his picks.

Yeah, so… really easy to claim a role you don’t actually have, and no associated risk. Really hard to claim a role that is believably gamebreaking but not gamebreaking enough that you wouldn’t send it in the first place, especially when someone else might actually HAVE that role.

lole look at this stuff

Which kinda makes eir wanting to sheep a page 70 rvs vote even more scummy.

VOTE: eiralox

lie proven d2 yawn

This doesn't say much. Yay or nay on Itinerants?

You vastly overestimate my "knowing who the fuck that is" stat. It was my dumpstat. I put everything into "Spite".

lole

-----------------

MegA in terms of lies ignore the pebble and hear the rockslide. im too tired too see where itenerants have lied and i guess i might have guessed a few from bingle not feeling into this game rn

Got a source for calling those lies? This feels like attacking random posts just to try and force a lim through without actual thought put in

[MegAzumarill]

honestly meGA i don't care anymore i said day 2 bingle/bluesnake should be obvious scum or third party to anyone. anyone who reads should be feeling itenerants/bingle, enchant was less of an obvious one but im glad i got it

don't feel like answering any more questions look at my prior content.

if people really feel like they want to keep voting me i might claim at some point or might not honestly doesnt matter to me anymore

I disagree on bingle, and you haven't seemed to make any effort to convince people.
Especially since they were

correctly calling out your lie

.
If you want to try and scumread people for calling out your own BS and not posit and actual case you don't really get to blame anyone for not following your reads, they have no reason to.

[MegAzumarill]

I'll compromise on a rats lim atp but I am preferring eira after these recent posts.

[MegAzumarill]

While I don't think it was a smart move (It disincentivizes scum to visit and incentivizes any town that can verify the claim) it makes enough sense I suppose.

UNVOTE:

[MegAzumarill]

As promised:

My mod discretion role was Mafia Necromancer 10660. I was changed to town. The things TLich wouldn't let me do:

Force Enchant to make the mafia kill on Eiralox and force Enchant to sacrifice for the deity. I've holstered so far because I didn't know enough to target the brainshocker confidently. I intend to either doc or brainshock tonight, but will not specify which because leaving it up to WIFOM is the way to make a potential save on pisskop possible for doc.

I'm potentially a confirmable role through killing scum and through someone else with a confirmable role dying.

I agree that 1 shot pgo is probably a fakeclaim.

Thats not TL not letting you do things thats you trying to do what the role doesn't actually do lmao (At least in grandI thread it specifies only role avyions are performable, so not actions unrelated to role like alignment abilities)

[MegAzumarill]

congratulations to cook

Gives us a lot more breathing room

[MegAzumarill]

That said I am now planning on receiving the invention I got last night so i should go over what it does.

[MegAzumarill]

1. It will day the role pm of every nonmafia player that can win with mafia
2. It will edit a compliment for a random player into day 1 vcs (Something i think they wanted to confirm it as a claim or somethin)
3. It will give me an optional Post Restriction tomorrow and give me all inventions received tonight, and each night until i break this PR
4. It will confirm Cook received the last invention and what it did publically, hardclearing them from mafia.

[MegAzumarill]

Its not great but I think its worth taking when we know mafia arent taking maj with 3ps tomorrow

[MegAzumarill]

Mainly didnt want to die tonight and someone kill me and steal the compliments or whatever as a fakeclaim

[MegAzumarill]

I copped you yesterday, you returned as town.

barring cultists, youre town.

I already know im town smh

[MegAzumarill]

Pisskop, Me, Cook,
Gamma, Eira , Elements
Titus, ZZZX

VOTE: Titus

[MegAzumarill]

Pisskop, Me, Cook,

Gamma,

Eira , Elements

Titus, ZZZX


Bolded have claimed

[MegAzumarill]

I havent my b

[MegAzumarill]

Pisskop,

Me,

Cook,

Gamma,

Eira , Elements

Titus, ZZZX


Bolded have claimed

Ebwop

[MegAzumarill]

why is gamma a towncase

Felt town most of the way through, haven't gone super far into associatives but I literally remember like 0 of what Zzzx has done dince day 1 and titus has felt off, but I felt they weren't super in tune with the inventor shenanigains so probably not mafia, but now werewolves exist I'm back to not liking the slot that much

[MegAzumarill]

okay but HOW did nobody call me on my bluff with the trolley problem lever

mod even posted saying i didn't have it

Cook did not have the opportunity to accept an invention that would reveal the true Role PM (without redactions) of all non-town, non-mafia players.

True this was a guilty in some sense

Well played though, I probably would have rationalized it as some sort of semantic difference between wording if I had lived and noticed it.

Congratz on a well deserved win