Explain to me how supposedly eliminating a supposed town you helps town be less likely to spare scum, than eliminating a slot that has a chance to be scum compared to a supposed town you.In post 3187, Bingle wrote: Proof of purchase, me, as town, being totally willing to self eliminate to remove WIFOM and give town a shot in a much higher stakes game than this one.
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Look at it this way:In post 3196, Bingle wrote:
Look at it this way:In post 3188, Taly wrote: what the fuck
Me and Freedom both have a ~0% chance of being spared, right? I think town gets more info from my flip than Freedom's flip. Which one of us sits in the game til the end doesn't really change that neither of us get spared, so we go with the higher info flip.
This isn't a game where we have to hit every mafia. This is a game where we have to hit a large number of town. The conceit of the game is very different for what we want to get out of a lim.
If we eliminate scum, we have less scum inside the pool of people we can spare.
But fine if you want to be eliminated first i'll give you your wish
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In post 3219, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I've had problems with all of Sakura's posting so far except for one post that was a pagetop a couple of pages ago
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Actually this is a good point, maybe i got taken in by emotion.In post 3263, implosion wrote: I mean, I think that it's more or less nai lol. I think if I had to read into it I'd be inclined to call it more town than scum, because getting limmed today (from a purely win condition point of view, not an emotional one) probably feels a little bad for town but quite bad for scum because it'd mean both their teammates need to be spared. But if Bingle does genuinely believe that there's no chance of ever being spared then that kind of becomes a shrug. It's all sort of a shrug.
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why does it give you that impression, you think scum would've given up otherwise?In post 3319, Taly wrote: i feel like we have at least 1-2 deepwolves and that gives me the impression scum are confident in sparingI bloom in spring?
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why does it matter if we're going mercy anyway, dunn is getting flipped regardless.In post 3319, Taly wrote: i also need to putdunnin the hotseat because those were both quickhammers
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Now i like this argument more actually.In post 3321, Taly wrote: im also wondering why nobody has really stopped me from tunnelling slots, that's undoubtedly part of why im universally townread because that feeds a scumsided narrative
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Do you think anyone has tried? I haven't really been paying much attention.In post 3340, Taly wrote: like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?I bloom in spring?
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I feel like that question is kinda pointless, if they werent then Isis wouldn't need to differentiate between dunn getting spared or eliminated.I bloom in spring?
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I would hope that we at least arent awful at sparing the right people.In post 3356, Alisae wrote: I wanna kill people but we are fucking awful at killing the right people huhI bloom in spring?
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Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?
[Taly, Keyleth, Dannflor, Kyouko, Ydrasse]
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Doesn't look like anyone wanna spare me, and i dont really care at this point.In post 3363, Dannflor wrote:
why aren't you including yourself?In post 3360, Sakura Hana wrote: Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?
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You or KeylethIn post 3369, Dannflor wrote:
i feel like a lot of people have been town reading you?In post 3366, Sakura Hana wrote:
Doesn't look like anyone wanna spare me, and i dont really care at this point.In post 3363, Dannflor wrote:
why aren't you including yourself?In post 3360, Sakura Hana wrote: Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?
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I dont see how we lose this.
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Why wouldnt you want mercy? I thought Fight lowered your WIM?In post 3379, Taly wrote: do we just all want to do mercy thenI bloom in spring?
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Dunn still gets the entirety of the short Day 3 to post anything before being removed.I bloom in spring?
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I was under the impression that Mercy was a foregone conclusion at this point, but since you're asking about it i'll give my opinion on the matter.
I personally went for Mercy because implosion's EV post seemed to imply it had the highest chances of winning, and i found it unlikely we'd end up townlocking 2 scum or at least sparing them before sparing 3-4 town.
But then now i remembered that Dunn could potentially be scum, I know i townread him before, and I wonder if going after beeboy and then townlocking kyouko for the beeboy rep out is something scum!dunn would do.I bloom in spring?
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In the end i think still Dunn is town.I bloom in spring?
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I just realized this, but, it didnt hit me before.In post 3399, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Also I dont understand why mercy is the foregone conclusion here, that seems questionable, like yall have been wrong twice and there's a rush to potentially spare scum!Dunn putting us immediately into a situation where we have to dodge scum spares for what, 4 days straight?
And nobody seems to be considering this
If dunn is scum, not only means we have to dodge scum spares 4 times in a row, but also there would be 3 NKs in between.
That's... about 7 townies that we need correct when we're already two down, and scum wont be doing us any favors by killing non consensus TRs either.I bloom in spring?
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I guess it's about how much i trust my read on dunn huhI bloom in spring?
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GFI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.I bloom in spring?
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Fixed that for meIn post 3415, Sakura Hana wrote: GDI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.I bloom in spring?
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Ok, I still think Dunn is town, im gonna trust myself on this.
If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i won't learn from my mistakes otherwise if i keep second guessing myself everytime there's a little bit of paranoia.I bloom in spring?
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Still gotta wait for Day 3 to end after choosing.
Anything else you wanna add Dunn?I bloom in spring?
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Well at least Kyouko will have enough time to catch up.I bloom in spring?
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Idk, i dont think that's a very good argument for town!Dann given that scum WANT to be spared instead of middling in the reads list. How would scum even achieve that without doing risky stuff like that.In post 3694, Keyleth wrote: I would feel awful to be wrong on it but, yes he wants to be spared. Why would a wolf be so open about that ya know? Feels like a wolf wouldn't try hard to be spared so openly.I bloom in spring?
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Some of Dunn's posts this day make me feel like he's sitting on a chair with a glass of wine looking at us and going "muwahahahaha" and make me more anxiousI bloom in spring?
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This is why i'm anxious.In post 3746, Lazy Shirou wrote: Dunn is scum
It's hard for me to believe he's playing this cryptic as town rather than trying to give last opinions/thoughts in the game
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If we're gonna spare Taly always today.
Why are we doing more discussion outside of wanting to hear from Taly? I thought the point was to not give scum NK ideas.
I'm not opposed to more discussion, but i dont see what difference does it make between today and tomorrow when we actually have to spare someone other than Taly.I bloom in spring?
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Of course if there's anyone who opposes sparing Taly today, im willing to hear arguments on that front.I bloom in spring?
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I still think you're more likely town than kyouko after that townslip from several pages ago.I bloom in spring?
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So?In post 4050, Alisae wrote: Sakura you're going to get an angry evil dragon named shirou coming after youI bloom in spring?
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In post 2682, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 2573, Alisae wrote: OH WAIT 3 player wolf team 3 mafia ok
This is a big townslip from Alisae imo.In post 2574, Alisae wrote: idunno why I had a 4 player wolf team in mind
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I felt like the way Ali was playing until that point felt weird, but if e had a 4 player scum team in mind then it makes more sense.In post 4054, Bingle wrote: What progression makes it look real? All I see is Ali saying e has 4 scumreads, no one caring, and then saying e thought it was a 4p team?I bloom in spring?
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Go ahead, i dont mind being proven wrong, but that's how i felt when i saw it.In post 4058, Bingle wrote:
Hmm. Maybe. I’ll need to look back for clues that Ali actually thought there was a 4 person team that aren’t potentially fake slips.In post 4056, Sakura Hana wrote:
I felt like the way Ali was playing until that point felt weird, but if e had a 4 player scum team in mind then it makes more sense.In post 4054, Bingle wrote: What progression makes it look real? All I see is Ali saying e has 4 scumreads, no one caring, and then saying e thought it was a 4p team?I bloom in spring?
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Where did RCE do this?In post 4071, Dannflor wrote: RCE's posts to and about Sakura feel like stereotypically partnery to me and feels like RCE trying to resurrect Sakura's previous widely town read status.I bloom in spring?
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Isnt that from like back on day 2, how would that be "resurrecting" my townread status, if that's what he's trying to do he decided to drop it before day 2 ended.In post 4078, Dannflor wrote:
the specific callout to you he does that he doesn't do with anyone else feels like a classic S/S interactionIn post 2684, RCEnigma wrote: Hi Sakura! I don’t have any confidence reading you. So a little summarization of why you’re town would be helpful.
i also don't really believe RCE would want or would get anything out of you summarizing why you're town
also just a read I get s/s vibes from. I don't think town actually thinks along the lines of "an endorsement from their predecessor being a plus"In post 2834, RCEnigma wrote: Brown eyes isn’t very prevalent in the game up to where I’ve read but his posting is good. That’s so vague but I guess it’s…tonal/vibe?
Same with Sakura and having an endorsement from my predecessor is a plus.
town like to have their own individual reads and are prideful of them
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Speaking of, where has shirou been doing any of this? pretty sure shirou has been hard scumreading rce, if they are partners that's some hardcore distancing.In post 4072, Dannflor wrote: to be transparent i think the team is exactly like sakura/rce/shirou and they've been subtly pushing each other into or back into the town core for a while nowI bloom in spring?
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So, Mr Dannwolf, if im not partnered with Alisae and Kyouko is also town, what is my endgame here pushing for Alisae spare instead of sheeping the spare of kyouko. Wouldnt in this situation the more optimal solution be to push for an RCE spare to validate Shirou's scumread to help a Shirou spare next?, looks like according to you my master scumplan is to head into town spares and lose.
Or you know, i'm just town and firmly believe that Alisae townslipped back then and so i rather spare e whom i believe has a very strong chance of flipping town.I bloom in spring?
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You think Bingle's town? now i'm even more confused by Dannflor here.In post 4103, Alisae wrote: Bingle I think is a very underrated and good spare. Bingle was not on D1 or D2 wagon and he has been very much I think just doing his own thing guy seems townie.
RCE I think has a very villagery read on me. What makes his read villagery his his strength and how it stands out compared to his other reads.
I think Sakura has just been consistently villagery throughout teh game.
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I suppose, but then i wonder wtf are the wolves doing then if it's not Dann trying to spare a partner.In post 4108, Alisae wrote:
idunno it really comes down to if a wolf!Bingle knows that his spare chances go up if he just puts down a vote on me because when I saw Bingle put a vote down on me I thought "wait a minute my spare is a realistic thing that actually happens" and it's only made possible by Dann making it happen. I don't think a wolf is making my spare happenIn post 4104, Sakura Hana wrote:
You think Bingle's town? now i'm even more confused by Dannflor here.In post 4103, Alisae wrote: Bingle I think is a very underrated and good spare. Bingle was not on D1 or D2 wagon and he has been very much I think just doing his own thing guy seems townie.
RCE I think has a very villagery read on me. What makes his read villagery his his strength and how it stands out compared to his other reads.
I think Sakura has just been consistently villagery throughout teh game.
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VOTE: Sakura
May i offer an alternative?
Truth be told, i've never been into this self-towncasing thing, i've always believed that as long as i'm myself people will just read me correctly anyway.
But this game is different, and as of right now this is the only person i know 100% to be town.
And i dont really know who the heck can be scum anymore among the remaining people, but the truth is, half of you are.
It's possible Bingle's just town and i dont need to do this, but i'm more certain of this being a game winning move, specially coz it's Dann who has been pushing for Bingle.I bloom in spring?
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I don't claim to know or have the answer to everything, the thing is tho, your result is an accident due to Dannflor, he's been behaving weird all game which has been pinging me, and if he's scum then you can't be town or he'd be pushing hard for a game losing move.In post 4166, Bingle wrote:
Um... Bingle's town and you don't need to do this. Sakura, if I'm scum why the fuck do I solidify the Alisae spare? Its the functional equivalent of having the lurker scum come in and bus the powerwolf for towncred two days before MYLO. I'm not that dumb.In post 4165, Sakura Hana wrote: It's possible Bingle's just town and i dont need to do this, but i'm more certain of this being a game winning move, specially coz it's Dann who has been pushing for Bingle.I bloom in spring?
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Besides it was me who prompted you to look into Alisae's ISO
I only started doubting you were town when Dannflor made a push for you to be spared today since yday.
Alisae says you're fine but i cant shake those feelings.
Of course it's probably only a matter of moments before Dann comes and hammers you anyway so i doubt anyone cares.
Now care to explain why voting for Alisae makes you town? Because i doubt it's the equivalent of whatever you say.I bloom in spring?
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Actually... the later is a good point. Unless he's relying on town to vote for you. Either way, i still know for a fact that my spare is an endgaming move and im not sure on you, heck, im less sure of you than say, Ydrasse.In post 4171, Bingle wrote:
What's his other option? Not push me as town? He already shut that door. And notice, if he's scum he's doing a pretty great job of not voting me.In post 4167, Sakura Hana wrote: I don't claim to know or have the answer to everything, the thing is tho, your result is an accident due to Dannflor, he's been behaving weird all game which has been pinging me, and if he's scum then you can't be town or he'd be pushing hard for a game losing move.
OTOH, i pushed Alisae spare on the grounds of a townslip being pretty damning evidence of e being town, of which you had to be convinced of, and still had to go dig into the ISO to find a reason to vote. I firmly believe Alisae was never set to be spared or NK'd but i shook up whatever plans scum had.
P-Edit: You didnt put Ali at effectively S-1 unless you knew Dann was always gonna vote Alisae, only one that wanted to vote Alisae and was known to was RCE.I bloom in spring?
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Like, i was ready to fight Shirou if it came down to it, hence why i told Alisae "so?" when e said that Shirou would come after me very angrily.
But day ended before Shirou even got to post.I bloom in spring?
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?In post 4181, Bingle wrote: I would also be absolutely furious if you died or sakura got spared tomorrow, and would march on Isis's house to demand retribution, fwiw.
RCE... and Alisae.
Isnt this implying a you spare means there's a tomorrow?I bloom in spring?
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Thank you
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Also thank you implosion for explaining the events of yday better than i could.I bloom in spring?
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I feel like maybe i've been fallen into a deep hole due to the way Dannflor has treated me this entire game making me think he's scum angling for a win while reducing the ammount of towniness i can radiate, examples of this is him literally parroting Meuh's reasons for scumreading me.In post 4201, implosion wrote: if Bingle is town? What about if Bingle is scum?
How does this relate to Bingle?
Well if Dann is scum then Bingle HAS to be scum unless Dann was gambiting and hoping Bingle doesnt get hammered after pushing him hard.
Bingle himself is a hard read for me, i thought he was kind of eh, at first, maybe a little town, but him angling to diminish my actions from yday while making his seem like had more impact (idk what the word for that would be) felt a little sus for me.
Either way, if Bingle is scum, then clearly there's already 1 scum voting for himself, which means he just needs 3 instead of 4 townies voting for himself, not impossible, but the moment i voted for myself he started trying to convince me to vote for him instead, which means if you're town, then there's already another scum voting for him either RCE or Yddra.
If Bingle is town then......gasp
I guess Bingle is scum then.I bloom in spring?
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I guess Scum!Dann campainging for Town!Bingle to be spared without him voting him and praying he doesnt get hammered while pretending to wanting to hammer is not out of the picture, but if so... damn i wish i had hammered instead.
Which i guess Dann knowing my stances was probably convinced i wasnt gonna do it.I bloom in spring?
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This is a good point actually... dammitIn post 4207, Dannflor wrote:
idk i guess if im scum with bingle why don't i just push for myself insteadIn post 4205, Sakura Hana wrote: Well if Dann is scum then Bingle HAS to be scum unless Dann was gambiting and hoping Bingle doesnt get hammered after pushing him hard.
i mean i guess i haven't specifically checked this but i don't think bingle and i looked especially paired before i started hard pushing for his spareI bloom in spring?
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I guess...
Maybe this game's easier than i thought if scum is just not posting much or at all and are resigned.
Or scum!Bingle was just counting on Dann pushing for him and then get a partner to capitalize on it.
Either way seems like it was a good idea to stop the wagon.I bloom in spring?
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