Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

hi
VOTE: big chungus gaming

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

pooky you are evil
VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura Hana, would you dance with me?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kawaiikame
this person doesn't play games let's just day 1 hang them and get it over with

good vote

[Gamma Emerald]

this person doesn't play games

???
I'm confused now

they join a bunch of games and then flake

this seems mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Tour as in I've just been going around and playing games on the website.

I played 2 games there this year and both went I think the exact same: got miseliminated relatively early but still won

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm, you might have a point
VOTE: Gamma
Although it's not exactly related to what you just said but like...

VOTE: kawaiikame
this person doesn't play games let's just day 1 hang them and get it over with

good vote

this person doesn't play games

???
I'm confused now

they join a bunch of games and then flake

this seems mean

????

I saw my own thing that made say it was a good vote

[Gamma Emerald]

also #1 reason why gamma is mafia lol

I feel like this is some major cap because you’ve used inverse logic before? As in you caught me for not having a defined read on you

[Gamma Emerald]

I saw my own thing that made say it was a good vote

what thing

The double dip on the Kage TR talk, mindlessly agreeing and then asking about it felt sus

[Gamma Emerald]

No I am saying I don’t get why you seem to have changed your metric

[Gamma Emerald]

I saw my own thing that made say it was a good vote

what thing

The double dip on the Kage TR talk, mindlessly agreeing and then asking about it felt sus

so why r u voting me instead of kawaii then

Didn’t feel like it atm

[Gamma Emerald]

Also tbis is a good playerlist hi everyone Luv u all

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma feels weird and spiteful which I've seem from town!her but is probably more likely to come from scum!her.

What about my play seems spiteful? I feel like I’m just vibing

[Gamma Emerald]

pooky you are evil
VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Are people seeing this as a 100% serious read? Wild.

[Gamma Emerald]

also #1 reason why gamma is mafia lol

I feel like this is some major cap because you’ve used inverse logic before? As in you caught me for not having a defined read on you

Gamma what was the game where I faked a guilty on you when we were both town? I always think it's Radio Buzz but I think you told me it was a Mini Normal game

Believe that was Radio Buzz
And actually now that I am thinking about that game, I did form a read on Pooky very fast in that game

[Gamma Emerald]

ssbm_Kyouko
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana
Dunnstral
Alisae

pookythemagicalbear

SirCakez

Luka

Duelist Kage

Whemestar


Cephrir
Save the Dragons

Penguinpower

KawaiiKame



T3

ok im posting this bc a) im lazy but also b) i was about to make a list of reads but i realized i havent actually read any of the game so i got stuck in the sorting process kek

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Sakura Hana
T3
Whemestar
Dunnstral
SirCakez
Penguinpower
Cephrir
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons
Luka
Duelist Kage


this is going to be hilariously wrong and im going to have a completely different list by EoD but if i were a gamer(which I am) this is what I would submit as a solve right now

I’m guess these are different types of lists, what are they?

[Gamma Emerald]

link to where my TR on Pooky started in Radio Buzz
It’s not super early but I did have a fast soul read so I find it problematic that Pooky is acting like I can’t read him quickly

[Gamma Emerald]

were pretty obviously jokes.

Were they?

Maybe my joke-o-meter or whatever is completely broken but I think that I'm at least partially correct given that Kage never confirmed or denied whether she was joking or not, and her questions about your read on her seemed pointed in a way that implied she wasn't

really

trying to read Pooky.

Yeah, this guy gets it. pooky claiming to be shadow that will destroy the darkness is inherently silly because shadow is like darkness, see? It's self-destructive.

Also it's even more silly because obviously

I'm

shadow.

Shadows can lead us to the light.
(there’s more to this quote but I can’t remember it rn)

[Gamma Emerald]

link to where my TR on Pooky started in Radio Buzz
It’s not super early but I did have a fast soul read so I find it problematic that Pooky is acting like I can’t read him quickly

so whats ur read

Lean scum
I think it’s sus that you’re arguing something that is demonstrably not true, but the best argument I can come up with for a scum motive is weak. The idea I have is that you’re trying to undercut my read but that doesn’t make sense so early. I think based on our history it makes more sense for you to pocket me.

[Gamma Emerald]

link to where my TR on Pooky started in Radio Buzz
It’s not super early but I did have a fast soul read so I find it problematic that Pooky is acting like I can’t read him quickly

so whats ur read

Lean scum
I think it’s sus that you’re arguing something that is demonstrably not true, but the best argument I can come up with for a scum motive is weak. The idea I have is that you’re trying to undercut my read but that doesn’t make sense so early. I think based on our history it makes more sense for you to pocket me.

wait what am i even arguing

That I should be struggling to read you

[Gamma Emerald]

only town have trouble reading me facts

also #1 reason why gamma is mafia lol

I don’t see any other way to interpret this

[Gamma Emerald]

do you know the difference between the word "only" and "all"

Yes, but I was extrapolating meaning, because there’s not a clear through-line

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a joke but it evolved into a read

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not claiming my read accuracy on you is perfect, I know that’s bogus. I am saying I have read you on miniscule evidence previously, and you seemed to be denying that? My read on you only really got serious once you did that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah we chill
VOTE: Kawaii
still don’t care for the kage double dip and I think him blankly questioning the votes on me feels worth inspection.
What drove you to ask about penguin and luka’s votes on me, Kawaii?

[Gamma Emerald]

I s2g i did that out of consideration for your feelings Gamma and not because Cakeboi has decided to vote me and then immediately go into witness protection

okay.mp3

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah we chill
VOTE: Kawaii
still don’t care for the kage double dip and I think him blankly questioning the votes on me feels worth inspection.
What drove you to ask about penguin and luka’s votes on me, Kawaii?

The building momentum in voting you, I wanted to know the reason behind it

Okay
btw penguin just votes to wagon on D1 iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we maybe not read into my emotions at every turn? It’s kinda invasive.

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you feel we should read you?

How about on my actual gameplay, let’s give that a shot

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah we chill
VOTE: Kawaii
still don’t care for the kage double dip and I think him blankly questioning the votes on me feels worth inspection.
What drove you to ask about penguin and luka’s votes on me, Kawaii?

The building momentum in voting you, I wanted to know the reason behind it

Okay
btw penguin just votes to wagon on D1 iirc

This should explain one vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Can ppl stop townreading me for notbing ur all annoying

Tell me what you want, what you really really want
But seriously, I feel like in G&R you were upset over the push on you, this seems better imo?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can ppl stop townreading me for notbing ur all annoying

Tell me what you want, what you really really want
But seriously, I feel like in G&R you were upset over the push on you, this seems better imo?

I imagine Star was scum in G&R?

Nope, he was town

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I would expect him to be grateful to not be getting shitpushed

[Gamma Emerald]

If he’s town, but I don’t necessarily expect gratitude, I just find it disturbing that he finds the TRs on him annoying

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll probably try to explain this better later, but not impressed by how you 2 have engaged me on this

[Gamma Emerald]

Being townread for nothing is the same as being scumread for nothing I don’t see the difference

okay then

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you mean drawing water out of a stone?

In any case I said I liked their observation there, not the questioning.

Drawing water out of a stone = it’s a big reach

I do not think that means what you think it means

[Gamma Emerald]

ok fk it i wanna be controversial cuz i got some vibez VOTE: luka

what sort of vibez did you get?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have any SRs, Klick?

[Gamma Emerald]

i think i figured out why thread feels stiff and its probably bc some ppl play like frightened kittens when they rand PR so im going to ask only once but please pretend you're vt

bruh this game is mountainous did u even read the setup

this is awkward

Do you still struggle to differentiate PR and scum tells?

[Gamma Emerald]

When is it my turn for ppl to follow me

What makes you think your reads are good enough to follow?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t even know ur reads

[Gamma Emerald]

BCG+Sakura scumteam about to roll us with hyperactivity I called it first

Would believe it from BCG

[Gamma Emerald]

2 weird posts is 1 2 many 4 me

I am pretty low on mental bandwidth rn so I don’t appreciate this coy bullshit
If you have a problem come out and say it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

I originally thought they were town because I saw Koba do something similar to 103 in a recent game

But in that game they had extensive and confident reads and I'm not seeing that here at all

There's no oomph behind any of their reads or pushes

Wasn’t 103 made before BCG realized the setup?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

OK so which slots are townier than mine? Out of every slot

If my answer wasn't "all of them," I would be voting for someone else

Your words with your vote sound like you had an actual concern/issue with BCG’s content/reads, but this doesn’t ring the same. So what exactly drove you to vote BCG?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling

I originally thought they were town because I saw Koba do something similar to 103 in a recent game

But in that game they had extensive and confident reads and I'm not seeing that here at all

There's no oomph behind any of their reads or pushes

Wasn’t 103 made before BCG realized the setup?

Yes? I’m not sure what different that makes.

i think i get what gamma is saying but also at the same time i dont xD

I’m mostly just curious if you were bluffing or thought you were the sole VT

[Gamma Emerald]

Fenrir your play rn feels fangless

[Gamma Emerald]

Fenrir your play rn feels fangless

How is this different to his towngame in general?

He at least puts himself out there as town imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m struggling to follow kyouko v T3 so I’m just gonna assume both are town

[Gamma Emerald]

Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???

Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.

I honestly think for some players the inverse is true (that being poor analysis is a towntell) and Cakez is debatably one of those players

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't believe his confidence (I know he's always blustery and faux confident but I don't buy it here) or his reads, they feel made up and this was strengthened when he immediately attacked me when I entered voting him, he knows hes not gonna get anywhere with me on his ass so he has to get rid of me first. y

I see, can you explain why you entered voting him? As in, what gave you impression of him being scum? You can link posts because to me it felt a bit early to have that "confidence" you showed.

In 182 I voted him bc I always have to enter approaching him as if he's scum bc we are rarely the same alignment and he completely bamboozled me one time in 3p once so I can never trust him again <3
But then I read on and noticed posts that I actually found objectively scummy in 184 and nothing since has made me feel like "okay maybe I can trust Pooky a tiny tiny bit here"

I’m putting a pin in this, I might have insight on this at some point

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: WhemeStar
I would try to ask him to explain himself but his reaction to Klick’s RL feels like a massive ass-pull given Klick has Wheme’s 3 SRs in his bottom tier

[Gamma Emerald]

None of gammas posts have been good and now she’s voting an obvious town

please enlighten me on what’s so towny about spitting out a scum pool and then immediately lashing out at someone who agrees with you
I feel like Wheme might be inflicted with confusion from being townread so early as scum and is stumbling over himself as a result

[Gamma Emerald]

None of gammas posts have been good and now she’s voting an obvious town

please enlighten me on what’s so towny about spitting out a scum pool and then immediately lashing out at someone who agrees with you
I feel like Wheme might be inflicted with confusion from being townread so early as scum and is stumbling over himself as a result

You could’ve pocketed tbh em but didn’t
Doesn’t even matter they’re obvious town based on post 1

eugh
tf are you even trying to say with that first part?
wrt the second part, I don’t think it’s at all AI since I honestly vibe that Wheme would say the same shit regardless of alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: WhemeStar
I would try to ask him to explain himself but his reaction to Klick’s RL feels like a massive ass-pull given Klick has Wheme’s 3 SRs in his bottom tier

This post is also scum because he’s scumreading me for something klick just did and it is +town for me calling klick out on it but gamma doesn’t call klick out on it and instead calls me out for scumreading klick

if you were in the absolute lowest tier maybe I could see that being comparable. There’s 6 names in the bottom tier, I think the first logical conclusion is the second-lowest tier is the “if the bottom tier isn’t aa lucrative as hoped, check here next”. So I think in that lens you + Dunn being there makes sense.
I also generally see the town response to such things to be trying to hash things out, not blindly throwing the person into your SRs.

[Gamma Emerald]

None of gammas posts have been good and now she’s voting an obvious town

please enlighten me on what’s so towny about spitting out a scum pool and then immediately lashing out at someone who agrees with you
I feel like Wheme might be inflicted with confusion from being townread so early as scum and is stumbling over himself as a result

You could’ve pocketed tbh em but didn’t
Doesn’t even matter they’re obvious town based on post 1

eugh
tf are you even trying to say with that first part?
wrt the second part, I don’t think it’s at all AI since I honestly vibe that Wheme would say the same shit regardless of alignment

Why would scum attack a free pocket?
I have no meta on the user it’s still town

No emote provided anywhere can encapsulate the sheer look of befuddlement on my face as I am processing your words
I think the most logical way to parse what you’re trying to suggest in the first part is “why would scum!Wheme attack Klick rather than pocket him” to which I raise the response: do you see any reason for Wheme to believe it would work?
And from that parsing attempt, I also am left to question why you said “you could’ve” there, that looks like you’re suggesting I could’ve pocketed Wheme which, WHAT?!? I feel like if I try to process this nonsense any further I am going to lose brain cells.
Lastly, I am bothered by the absolute nerve of stepping up to someone who has more experience with a person than you do and trying to act like you have better read on their core.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
hold up. something is cooking in my brain

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Luka

Sakura / Whem / Pooky / T3 as town
VOTE: Gamma

I feel like most of these slots stated as town were sorted far too quickly based on Luka’s prior posts, I’m leaning on most if not all those slots being TMIed town

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Luka

Sakura / Whem / Pooky / T3 as town
VOTE: Gamma

I feel like most of these slots stated as town were sorted far too quickly based on Luka’s prior posts, I’m leaning on most if not all those slots being TMIed town

Not sure what you are getting at here, why are they sorted too quickly?

Luka was prodding at 2/4 players there, and I don’t feel like enough work was shown to how he went from there to having townreads on the slots

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk
I kinda don't expect that to be true

I think this is a very nebulous statement but the posts in the topic review seem to indicate you have evidence to back this up so I won’t press it

[Gamma Emerald]

The answer would be that they're not intentionally doing anything

I think an issue I do see with your mindset is that you seem to be assuming scum have a broader-scope plan. I think that’s probably rarer than you think it is, yes scum generally try to coordinate but I think in the majority of scenarios scum will often just take their own approach

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think voting blocks very rarely contain high density of mafia, I’ve led myself on wild goose chases with that belief before

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think about the fact that Gamma has an acute awareness of your and Wheme's scumreads?

What does this even mean

[Gamma Emerald]

@Luka

could you explain your Sakura progression in more detail?

Out of all the TRs in 159 this feels the least natural since you had just been voting her, and as a result I feel like 153 is a valid post, I don’t see a real thru-line for how you got to that townread. I think that’s a leader for scum in that pool of 4 town if there is any since I can see the Sakura questioning as a distancing tactic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on Klick's point #1 about why he disagrees with Wheme's reasoning, I expect him to feel that town is not considering someone's scumreads when forming a read on them.

However, you scumread Wheme because his scumreads line up partially with the scumreads in 597 from Klick - meaning you are considering Wheme's reads. I think Wheme's rebuttal makes a lot of sense (Dunn and Wheme are in the second from the bottom tier) and that the reason you voted Wheme is very shallow (Wheme's scumreads are in Klick's bottom tier so Klick asspulled his disagreement with the list), but I wanted to know what Klick thought about this.

It seems like you are paying more attention to who scumreads who, and picked out a very surface-level issue to "gotcha" Wheme with. I feel like it's something Klick should take issue with but he excuses it as something he expects you to be doing. I'm weighing the possibility now that he's right.

You might be right
I honestly think a significant portion of my issue with Wheme is his attitude irritates me. He seems to think he deserves being sheeped when I don’t think he’s really put in the work to prove he deserves it. He did a similar thing last game but with different execution and circumstances so I felt like this could be the scum side of that same coin but I think a better approach is to let him actually do things outside of the particular irritating behavior and see how I feel about that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that the way Pooky is focused on the group of 3 sheeping votes stuff is scummy. I think they are the one focusing on that not really
Klick

This post feels incomplete pls try again

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I think I get it now, you just added a random line break

[Gamma Emerald]

I see what you mean now on mobile. Looks fine on desktop, I didn't add a line break.

I think the site does it on its own

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like penguin is town just off vibez

[Gamma Emerald]

I still want to see meta of t3 doing fucking anything as town

I'm sure it exists but I just want to see it

This feels out of the blue? I’m gonna ISO to see what prompted this

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like cakez gets run up day 1 of every game he's in so I'm not going to help because I don't feel like it

I think it would be good policy to not demand that gamma be emotional to receive townreads

I want to see at least one game that disproves my personal meta experience with t3. I'm positive it must exist but I'd like to put the stupid idea out of my head

Okay it come up before but the finer details weren’t gotten into
Also thank you for the assist here, I have made that request to a couple people directly before and it’s good to have someone in my corner in that regard

[Gamma Emerald]

fyi I don’t really need 209 answered anymore since I think it’s semi-apparent the list simply changed between posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

I will give Sakura townpoints for caring about getting an answer to my question more than I did

[Gamma Emerald]

So what made you put ssbm_Kyouko as top townread never change by post 210 where you first made your list?

thats a question for kyouko to answer

what???

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I have a vague idea why you say that but unless you have a plan in place, I think putting on the person you’re reading to explain your read on them is hyper-weird

[Gamma Emerald]

@BCG

do you have any notes on my play so far?

[Gamma Emerald]

@BCG

do you have any notes on my play so far?

no lmao

Okay. I didn’t completely expect you to but it would have helped me read you if you did.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
Show me your motivation.

[Gamma Emerald]

(expired on 2023-12-28 21:06:51)

one minute to spare

What was this btw?

[Gamma Emerald]

(expired on 2023-12-28 21:06:51)

one minute to spare

What was this btw?

Warmpup promised a vc within 10 minutes. I made a countdown.

okay, I thought it was something else because timezones + I obviously didn't see the unedited post

[Gamma Emerald]

bloop

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

I fear T3 has the greatest potential to lie, this is why I'm voting him

Is this a thing you’ve done before? What’s the success rate at catching scum with it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

yeah I have a feeling about Kawaii’s T3 read

[Gamma Emerald]

All I have to offer right now is why isn't bcg dead yet

Why should bcg be dead?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm dropping the chuuni bit but oh well

But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all? Dude is never going to say anything that is alignment indicative or that is going to convince anyone of anything.

I didn’t really see much change your posting by way of the bit

[Gamma Emerald]

All I have to offer right now is why isn't bcg dead yet

Why should bcg be dead?

i think this question is weird but i cant put a finger on why and im too lazy to ISO gamma rn

You were nulltown at that point for me

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

I fear T3 has the greatest potential to lie, this is why I'm voting him

Is this a thing you’ve done before? What’s the success rate at catching scum with it?

This is new, inspired by Sakura

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

yeah I have a feeling about Kawaii’s T3 read

What feeling do you have?

It reads awkward and forced. Saying “this person has the greatest chance to lie” just, doesn’t seem like a realistic read; it’s either a wild paranoia thought or a more normal idea that devolved, that bring that he wiuld have the best chance to get away with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

@pooky analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

dunnstural and cepher both have reads I disagree with so theyre both probably mafia

I bet you’re really proud of this read

[Gamma Emerald]

fake internet points

[Gamma Emerald]

[Big Chungus, Luka, Pooky, Alisae, Whemestar] <- Confident Towns
[Sakura, Penguin, Klick] <- Second Tier Towns
[JJH, Save the Dragons]] <- Above Null
[Ceph, T3] <- Null
{Dunnstural, Kaiwaii} <- Scum Lean
[Gamma, Cakez] <- Scums

Gamma Cepheral Dunnstural Cakez is looking very funny rn
Fairly certain top 2 tiers are pure

The Kool aid tastes off to me bro

Why is gamma even on this meme team that's circulating

Hey dunn and cakez I think they're onto our strategy of agreeing with each other. Let's try tripling down and do it even more, they won't expect that. Hail Whatever The Mafia Faction Is Called!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

Why doesn't this post contain a read

What does this mean? Seems pretty obvious to me Gamma scumreads you from that post

she dances around actually saying it, making it out like her vote is about game health or something

It’s not about game health at all kek
It’s because I think what I described is indicative of a scum slot

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

I find it hard to believe you can't piece this together so I think this is probably you starting shit

Based on the vote I thought you meant pooky but I quickly thought it might have been BCG
KEEP IN MIND: I made in a mod error in my last completed game I ran because someone ranted about shit that had zero consequence on their night action in the NA submission PM! So

yes

, I really do need this shit clarified!

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

I find it hard to believe you can't piece this together so I think this is probably you starting shit

Based on the vote I thought you meant pooky but I quickly thought it might have been BCG
KEEP IN MIND: I made in a mod error in my last completed game I ran because someone ranted about shit that had zero consequence on their night action in the NA submission PM! So

yes

, I really do need this shit clarified!

why r u trying to convince cephrir you really need this shit clarified if you think hes mafia

Because who he’s referring to will influence my opinion of his play this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

I find it hard to believe you can't piece this together so I think this is probably you starting shit

Based on the vote I thought you meant pooky but I quickly thought it might have been BCG
KEEP IN MIND: I made in a mod error in my last completed game I ran because someone ranted about shit that had zero consequence on their night action in the NA submission PM! So

yes

, I really do need this shit clarified!

Sorry, I was annoyed when I wrote that post

Okay, still would like that answer
And I realize I likely misspoke, I think BCG is the more likely person for you to be referring to but I don’t want to assume anything

[Gamma Emerald]

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91760 here gamma was very easy to tr early

Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to claim you correctly TRed me in that game after your meltdown in reaction to being wagoned

[Gamma Emerald]

what are you going to do
vote me

Maybe
Depends on how I feel at the end of this

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play and I just fucking hate your guts rn so you exiting the game is an improvement

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

fucking bet

[Gamma Emerald]

I have minimal tolerance for players approaching me in bad faith

[Gamma Emerald]

Hate is a strong word

your point being? Alisae’s read on me is absolutely trash-tier, he knows it, and is avoiding addressing the real issues by stating “I play on my own time”.
You even said your vote on me would be removed when Alisae said to, so you are the exact reason why that garbage needs to be called out.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play

I enjoy the aggression, Alisae has high partner equity with Kage/Klick if she flips scum. If Alisae flips town I want to flip you

what exactly do you enjoy about the aggression

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think you have the exact right picture but I’ll let it slide

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think you have the exact right picture but I’ll let it slide

What is the exact right picture? How should I see it differently?
Seeing Alisae as potential scum pushing you seems secondary to your hatred of her seeing you in bad faith.
Is this how I should see it?

I’m saying I don’t think zero tolerance for weak reads is apt
I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.

Isnt this what you did here tho?:

VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

smh
I would hope the differences would be self evident, but to explain part of it, my read is actually an expression of a gamestate situation that I think deserved resolving. Alisae’s is merely a meta platitude.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anything quantifiable? I think it's notable that Dunnstral seems to be getting on to a very similar point there to what you were just saying about Kawaii

well there's a reason i'd maybe vote kawaii and definitely am voting dunnstral

Have you clarified this reason yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

Anything quantifiable? I think it's notable that Dunnstral seems to be getting on to a very similar point there to what you were just saying about Kawaii

well there's a reason i'd maybe vote kawaii and definitely am voting dunnstral

Have you clarified this reason yet?

I dunno

fym you don’t know?

[Gamma Emerald]

the wagon on me is actually garbage

VOTE: SirCakes

stop hiding and fight me

VOTE: SirCakes

stop hiding and fight me

seeing this made me realize i completely forgot to move cakez's name in my reads list and ill just make it ambiguous bc its more fun that way

VOTE: sircakez

VOTE: cakez

VOTE: cakez

I'm the trash collector and I'm here to summon the garbage back to this wagon
VOTE: Cakez

How about no

[Gamma Emerald]

This is an open call-to-action until stated otherwise: if kyouko attempts to eliminate Cakez after I die, kill her.

[Gamma Emerald]

So you’re saying to clarify that you’d need to clarify those reads?
btw fym means “fuck you mean”, basically a way of saying “your response is not suited to the context”, since my question was a pretty explicit yes/no question with no room for doubt unless you have a memory like a sieve

[Gamma Emerald]

Is that @ me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma

I appreciate you are trying to engage with me

I just don't know what to say that my posts haven't covered

It sounded like you had some greater-scope concept behind your reads that apparently is not there

[Gamma Emerald]

This is an open call-to-action until stated otherwise: if kyouko attempts to eliminate Cakez after I die, kill her.

you are defending a wolfclaimed player

Do. You. Think. I. Give. A. Shit. What. You. Think?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

Wait what?

no way he believes im mafia

I don’t think that post was made with that as the implication? It does look wack anyway, but my issue with kyouko’s read lies elsewhere

[Gamma Emerald]

??????
The fuck does a hydra have to do with anything

Anyway, I think kyouko should not be viewing Cakez calling the wagon on him trash as negatively as she is

[Gamma Emerald]

??????
The fuck does a hydra have to do with anything

Anyway, I think kyouko should not be viewing Cakez calling the wagon on him trash as negatively as she is

Oh, my vote is not about that post but I see why you think that. I was just calling his former voters back to the wagon.

My way of reading Cakez is similar to how I've read you in the past. He's saying something he doesn't mean when he votes Alisae

Okay
I’ll aim to look into Cakez soon

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you link that most recent cephrir scumgame you spoke of, BCG?

[Gamma Emerald]

I had a feeling it was that one

[Gamma Emerald]

gross

[Gamma Emerald]

I want kyouko to justify this because a) I don’t like this completely unexplained read on me when she’s been able to muster something in past games and b) because I have an idea of what it might be for, in which case it’s a garbage reactionary read

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if I had a bomb or whatever I would case Gamma and then bomb Cakez

Why wouldn’t you just case me now?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have literally no idea how to read Gamma, but Kyouko, if she's a super confident SR, why would you rather eliminate Cakez first? (Judging by your current vote)

I worry if I die Cakez might get away (not worried about Gamma getting away), and also I think wagoning Cakez will be more productive. I think wagons on both of them will help find 3rd/4th scum.

I feel like I’m in a similar boat where if both me + Cakez die, you’ll get away, so the only I’m okay with an elim on me/Cakez is if you go next

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pooky
This is infinitely preferable to a vote on me or Cakez rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really townread you currently, and I would like to kick the can along on the matter of me + cakez vs. kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re an option that is outside that group, that’s all there is to it

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re an option that is outside that group, that’s all there is to it

So it boils down to "let's eliminate this person i dont townread coz it's not us" is that it?

I guess? Is that a problem?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma do you have any scumreads

Kinda, I don’t have much cohesion in my thought process; it’s hard for me to do that in most larges

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you join me if I did?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dunnstral
This is workable, his reaction to my wheme thoughts early was bothersome, in a way that I lean scum on

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope, according to the previous VC, Cakez was at 2 votes from gamma and BCG, and i voted Cakez for like less than a minute.

by "2 votes from" do you mean he had 2 more votes on him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope, according to the previous VC, Cakez was at 2 votes from gamma and BCG, and i voted Cakez for like less than a minute.

by "2 votes from" do you mean he had 2 more votes on him?

In the VC i checked, the only 2 votes on cakez were from you and BCG, soon after i voted him for like less than a minute and then switched to Ceph, skimmed a few posts after until Dunn's latest post i didnt see any more votes on Cakez which means the wagon on him hadn't re-emerged at that point.

then the VC is wrong because I never voted Cakez

[Gamma Emerald]

The duo would start an organization calling themselves Shadow Garden and begin recruiting by curing more of those afflicted by possession. All the while our hero thought the girls were just roleplaying with him.

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.13

Big Chungus Gaming [5][E-4]-T3, Cephrir, Penguinpower, SirCakez, Dunnstral,
Dunnstral [2][E-7] - PookytheMagicalBear, Save The Dragons,
Cephrir [2][E-7] - Gamma Emerald, Big Chungus Gaming
Sir Cakez [1][E-8] - Alisae,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] Sakura Hana
T3 [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
Gamma Emerald [1][E-8] - Luka,
Penguinpower [1][E-8] - Whemestar

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 3) : ssbm_Kyouko, Klick, jjh927,

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 15:45:00)

Mod Note: No current prods. Sakura Hana is V/LA for next 1 days

you must be misreading this VC; I was on cephrir, not cakez

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura is an IC this game btw

Why

what makes you think you're going to get a functional answer to that question?

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless you have a reason to disagree, yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Alisae is choosing to avoid being sorted

[Gamma Emerald]

how so?

[Gamma Emerald]

this is an open admission that im just watching and eating popcorn rn bc I genuinely have no idea how to interact with this game state except with the fun way of seeing how ppl react to me saying this post

what exactly is "this game state"?

[Gamma Emerald]

This is the laziest reason ever for townreading Alisae

Alisae doesnt twon read 3/4ths of the lobby as mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I have rarely eaten at Chipotle, I tend to prefer Moe's, but I don't think there's a Moe's in Texas. Chipotle isn't bad though, I think I had it for lunch at work once.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunn has been posting wah 2 much to be scum me thinks

I already know this is not a viable read, and you should too! You were in the game that immediately came to mind for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=87340
Dunn had 200+ posts in this game, was eliminated D2, and was scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

but actually taking player count into account he's posting like exactly 1/17th of the posts here with 17 alive, and in Isekai he posted a little over half of what 1/13th of the playerlist would be posting, so he's posting here more than he did in Isekai, relative to the player count and total posts of both games' D1s

noted
UNVOTE:
I think Wheme’s point is valid now

[Gamma Emerald]

i almost want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

Why aren’t you, then?

[Gamma Emerald]

i

almost

want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

Why aren’t you, then?

That isn’t even slightly an answer to my question

[Gamma Emerald]

These are what I'm referring to with Gamma

Spoiler: the quotes

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

what are you going to do
vote me

viewtopic.php?t=91760 here gamma was very easy to tr early

Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to claim you correctly TRed me in that game after your meltdown in reaction to being wagoned

what are you going to do
vote me

Maybe
Depends on how I feel at the end of this

cry about it

nothing u say is going to make me actually give a fuck to play, I play on my own time, sorry.

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play and I just fucking hate your guts rn so you exiting the game is an improvement

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

fucking bet

I have minimal tolerance for players approaching me in bad faith

Hate is a strong word

your point being? Alisae’s read on me is absolutely trash-tier, he knows it, and is avoiding addressing the real issues by stating “I play on my own time”.
You even said your vote on me would be removed when Alisae said to, so you are the exact reason why that garbage needs to be called out.

Maybe the reason I lack conviction is I have seen Alisae openly play in bad faith so I see getting rid of em as a “cleaning up” measure. Have you tried considering that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda hate you for the crap you’re pulling rn btw, kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s because I only do that when I think it’s useful to my game
I think the common groupthink that Gamma “has no reads” in most games is indicative of a collective lack of effort to actually pick up on what I’m saying

[Gamma Emerald]

I find what ssbm_Kyouko to be doing now to be a lot townier than what I was sawing earlier in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

deep breaths

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod

a vote count would be appreciated

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: STD

I don't see you explaining this in your ISO anywhere, can you do so now?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dunnstral
I regard ellitell as a player-by-player thing but I've little reason to think dunn is not a player that it can work on

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: STD

I don't see you explaining this in your ISO anywhere, can you do so now?

Gut read

Plus their sudden voting on whoever did that dunn math was rly weird

alright
ftr I believe it was kyouko who did the math

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree that the math point is a really weak reason to go on kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

wheme was talking about dunn

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see the conncetion, T3

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: T3
how about we just kill this, I feel like he's reacting to all the wrong things and in all the wrong ways

[Gamma Emerald]

She says things that she would say as either alignment, but the words lack conviction.

How does this track at all?

Put Gamma into a

situation

where someone has upset her somehow. She will normally have a heated reaction like we see 1303, for example. I can look at the

situation

that leads up to it and the reaction by Gamma, and see a couple of ways to identify if Gamma is town or scum from it. One way is, Gamma will have an over the top reaction that feels disproportionate to the

situation

. This reaction feels "hollow" when I read it even though the words are meant to be "powerful" when Gamma is making the post. When she is town, the reaction doesn't feel "hollow" to me. I can tell when she means what she's saying fully, somehow. It's hard to explain how I can tell, but the key lies in measuring the cause against the reaction, and feeling whether the words ring truly or if they feel hollow.

Put Gamma into a

situation

where someone has upset her somehow.

FOR THE LOVE OF HILLARY DUFF ON A STICK COULD YOU NOT ENCOURAGE THIS BEHAVIOR?!?

[Gamma Emerald]

So you're just going to refuse to engage with my rebuttal then, noted. You may think you're sooooooo clever but you're days are fucking numbered.

[Gamma Emerald]

anyone voting kyouko needs to eliminate me first because if kyouko is scum then i am scum too but me scum doesnt necessarily mean kyouko scum

you could also be wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

anyone voting kyouko needs to eliminate me first because if kyouko is scum then i am scum too but me scum doesnt necessarily mean kyouko scum

you could also be wrong

absurd notion to hold on day 1 when prior evidence of my ability to read that particular player should tell you killing kyouko d1 is the dumbest thing you could do in context of kyouko and me being in the game

the only argument i see for kyouko being scum is "i dont like what theyre doing because i wouldnt do that" which is like the most non-reason to find someone scum.

there are 4 mafia and you think all 4 will magically get away if i happen to be wrong on 1/4?

I'm not saying I want kyouko dead today, I kinda do but if I get eliminated first I see that as equivalent to a cop guilty on her so it's not a priority to vote her off. I don't scumread you though so I want you to remain open to the eventual reveal that you're backing the wrong horse.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fuck does that mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I should at least be reasonably identifiable as town to people who don’t use hyper-specific tells as a crutch, so that comes off as more of a “I don’t respect your towngame” which is just plain rude and uncalled for?

[Gamma Emerald]

deadline is approaching and im against a dunn kill atp, I think he has demonstrated enough plausibility of being town here and gamma is the only other viable option here and i am likely to be busy this weekend.

VOTE: gamma

willing to flashwagon onto PP, so consider my vote there in spirit.

Also, there’s over 48 hours which is plenty of time, and I feel like T3 should actually be considered as an elimination for today since this feels like he’s crashing and burning. In fact, I am getting some mild flashbacks to mini 2213 rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: T3
how about we just kill this, I feel like he's reacting to all the wrong things and in all the wrong ways

?

To me his recent posts about alisae just seem like someone who is thinking about the game enough to want to reach back at something

This just looks like word salad

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok here's another attempt

I think it's +town when someone pulls up something from hundreds of posts ago that has nothing to do with the current topic. It shows organic thought

Maybe
I just don’t really care for how he engaged with players that I feel like weren’t acting in good faith (Luka and Alisae), feels like he was doing a Don Quixote, which I think is +scum because it’s a way of looking productive but you’re just throwing your efforts at a solid object

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod

how are plurality ties resolved?

[Gamma Emerald]

At least it’s not random, but that makes it sound like if a wagon falls down into a tied position the other one would go through? Which just doesn’t make sense as a way to resolve it.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: penguinpower
I really don’t see what the logic for the jjh vote is beyond “lurker vote”
If we’re doing that, PP is a better choice since I feel like he actually has a lurkscum meta

[Gamma Emerald]

I think koba’s point holds water, I was also in the townstumps game so I have at least a vague memory of what they’re talking about

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura is an IC this game btw

Why

Stuff like this where you are approaching players who aren’t playing with full consideration like you expect to get something from them

[Gamma Emerald]

These are what I'm referring to with Gamma

Spoiler: the quotes

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

what are you going to do
vote me

viewtopic.php?t=91760 here gamma was very easy to tr early

Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to claim you correctly TRed me in that game after your meltdown in reaction to being wagoned

what are you going to do
vote me

Maybe
Depends on how I feel at the end of this

cry about it

nothing u say is going to make me actually give a fuck to play, I play on my own time, sorry.

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play and I just fucking hate your guts rn so you exiting the game is an improvement

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

fucking bet

I have minimal tolerance for players approaching me in bad faith

Hate is a strong word

your point being? Alisae’s read on me is absolutely trash-tier, he knows it, and is avoiding addressing the real issues by stating “I play on my own time”.
You even said your vote on me would be removed when Alisae said to, so you are the exact reason why that garbage needs to be called out.

Maybe the reason I lack conviction is I have seen Alisae openly play in bad faith so I see getting rid of em as a “cleaning up” measure. Have you tried considering that?

I'll think about this - as I recall there was a town game of yours I read in that recent meta dive where Alisae was the subject of your ire

I believe I've openly referenced it in this game, yes

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I'm just going to need the name of a game you were town and got mad at Alisae's bad faith play I don't have time to run it down
As for my vote toDay it doesn't look like Gamma or Cakez will be it so I'll probably just join some TRs on a wagon that I don't TR

Booneytoonz XVII: The Winston Chronicles is the main one
I think it also happened in Legend of the Buisness Company

[Gamma Emerald]

can we not use OGI

just claiming “ellitell” is okay I think but pointing out specific games/posts/posting habits is a bit much

[Gamma Emerald]

Yay Katsuki!
Btw while I don’t hate a Cephrir wagon I won’t be joining it because I feel like any time I go after Cephrir early he flips town. He’s an easier sort in later days.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda surprised you hadn’t seen anything about that

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym by “that one”?

[Gamma Emerald]

Koba how helpful is my death for your reads?

wdym by “that one”?

also you two both played in G&R so I want to hear what you think too

I do think your point makes sense, game presence is not a matter of sheer post count.

[Gamma Emerald]

hrm
something has gone terribly wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

The players chosen kinda make me lean it being a scum move. I recall little friction between Klick and Luka.

[Gamma Emerald]

So how was everybody’s weekend?

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe what sakura means is after the trial is over, does the night start?

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish I could access the dead thread once I get voted out because I definitely want to see their reactions!

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

If we're making the reasonable assumption that Luka and I are both town then I kinda think I should die today for a few reasons
I have a relatively useless PR given our current situation and I think my day play also extracts most of its value today

1. Lynch whoever got this PR tommorow this is TvT.
2. Can we NL?

Please use a different word

[Gamma Emerald]

spooky pooky

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

perfect pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: luka