Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

That kinda seems like a scum claim

Like on the surface that is how I feel, but why say it in the FG where there is at least one town in there?

Pre Edit: Yes it was at the end of D3

[Doctor Drew]

The irony is that if I was more active I would have hammered Dan more than likely lol.

And if Flavor pulled that shit I would say that is a town play, but why would Dan do that

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

Ohhh, hold on, was this towards the end of D3? Dan had put himself in hammer range and publicly asked to die as well.

Dan did actually say I could hammer him as well, just not Cakez for fear of Flavor tunneling Cakez.

This is the thing, it seems like Dan knows Flavor won't push me at all(or at least Dan feels like Flavor won't push me)...........

Bah, there is some missing smoking gun here that I can't put my finger on.

I wish I was converted, would make things much easier lol

Pre Edit: Theta, yes

Roden, that is kinda my point.......kinda feel it was aimed at me

[Doctor Drew]

OK well final reads:

These people are town:

FL
Drew
Tomith
Cakez

Likely town or at least fade hu first:
Roden

I'd say good luck but I'm not sure I'd mean it aside from aureal tomith and cakez ATM.

VOTE: ActionDan

UNVOTE:

I unvoted exactly one minute after, Maestro didn't have time to hammer

I checked, it was like 2 hours after Roden's unvote.

Dan did state he was in hammer range, not E-1.......but did seem resigned to being the lim.

[Doctor Drew]

I think I do deserve to get faded since maestro had the chance to hammer me and didn't. Moreover I believe he must have recognized the opportunity but didn't take it. I don't know why. We'll find out post game.

In the meantime I will do all I can to try to solve the game.

I think it's clear Hu is converted maybe small chance of group scum. And is currently open wolfing.

I think there has to be group scum in at least one of Theta, Titus, and Aureal.

I am coming around to Aureal as town but it is in no way a surety.

At risk of provoking FL to feed into his confirmation bias I think there is role synergy between bianco, FL, and Theta. Theta's claim is currently the most useful role in the game, and it does align with Bianco's. Though possibly less strong, same deal with FL. They have otherwise played extremely passively this game.

I don't know what partner makes sense with Titus scum currently. That's about all the good I can say. I sense their play has taken a nosedive which might be a characteristic of Titus scum.

I feel like this is such a town post, idk if even a convert makes this post, just look at the tone. If he knows he's going down as a convert, why even bother efforting? If he's groupscum, why isn't he fighting the elimination/wagon?

I hate this post.

This feels like Cakez leaning into to being the lim

[Doctor Drew]

No, I'm saying neither of us should be the elimination, I want Theta today or Hu Tao or Aureal but I think Theta is best odds of group scum, Hu Tao is more likely convert and Aureal can go either way

Respectfully, I am not believing a word you are saying right now

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dan

[Doctor Drew]

FL it would be cool if you could talk to me and not just compromise on me again

Yeah.

VOTE: Dan

I’m gonna sit here at the very least.

I do not really have a strong read on you either way, and my read on you is based on my read on Dan, and how everything seemed to group around them, which got confirmed when Maestro fell on the sword to die instead of Dan.

Ffs.

This is why we can't have shiny things.

Dan's likely a convert.

Maestro protected Cakez well before any Dan nonsense.

Dan's just a second shield for Cakez.

I think Dan is the group scum......How did Mae protect Cakez?

[Doctor Drew]

FL it would be cool if you could talk to me and not just compromise on me again

Yeah.

VOTE: Dan

I’m gonna sit here at the very least.

I do not really have a strong read on you either way, and my read on you is based on my read on Dan, and how everything seemed to group around them, which got confirmed when Maestro fell on the sword to die instead of Dan.

Ffs.

This is why we can't have shiny things.

Dan's likely a convert.

Maestro protected Cakez well before any Dan nonsense.

Dan's just a second shield for Cakez.

I think Dan is the group scum......How did Mae protect Cakez?

Maestro

revealed

Cakez was on my list as a reason not to lim him.

Are we reading the same game?

Cakez being on your list was public knowledge in the FG.

I can assure you we are reading the same game

[Doctor Drew]

Any talk of Aureal being scum should stop right now.

I also don't think it is Titus.

Still would rather go between Cakez and Dan.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm extremely annoyed at this game. I have prepared a mountain of evidence, both social and mechanical only to be told no without any real reason by certain slots. If we don't fade Cakez today, I don't frankly see a point where we ever will.

lol this is such a load of bs
What social argument have you offered for me being scum? Absolutely none. The only thing you've argued is that your role gives me a 50/50 of being scum, so like if you're gonna push me like this constantly just say that

Maestro's defense of you, hard and consistent fmpov.

anyone who is in the FG can tell you that defense was neither

Lol, Maestro was definitely not hard defending you.

[Doctor Drew]

That's what I'm saying!!

I will say, you could argue that how they tried to interact with you in the FG does seem like traitor trying to reach out to scum.

It did feel a bit weird and forced how they acted around you.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm glad JV is here because I think I might be able to get a better grasp on that slot now

Something is afoot between Cakez and Jackson.

[Doctor Drew]

I've never played a game with a cult before. So I genuinely don't know how these things work. Not trying to dumbbell

You just assume I am the cult leader

[Doctor Drew]

If it's any consolation, I have no idea who that fellow with the mask is

Alex Terrible, lead vocalist of Slaughter to Prevail

I am not an alt, that was my old account I was trying to make my alt

Smh thought you didn't like that band

I don't lol

Was gonna hydra with Skygazer and Tris with the name Triumvirate of Terrible(because we all are bad at Mafia), but the game never happened.

I was gonna use that pic as the avatar, when I decided to make my old account as my alt I wanted to go with the devil motif, so I dusted it off and here we are.

[Doctor Drew]

Can we stop the nonsense of trying to solve every slot when Cakez is just obvious here? We just need to hit the two scums.

I do kinda think that it is best for the game state just to lim Cakez......I do trust Titus is coming from a town mindset here

VOTE: Cakez

[Doctor Drew]

Mod is on vacation I believe

Also

@Mod, V/LA this weekend

[Doctor Drew]

I will admit I am officially lost in this game.

I still want to vote Dan, but I literally could be convinced to vote anyone else as well.

Except maybe Jackson, I read your kind words about me in your GTKAS.....and I don't have the heart to lim a homie like that

[Doctor Drew]

happy birthday drew

Thanks!

You really beat the buzzer there, in my time zone at least haha

[Doctor Drew]

happy birthday drew

Thanks!

You really beat the buzzer there, in my time zone at least haha

What does your aquariASS think about the Theta/Roden situation?

You think Theta/Dan/Titus is a possibility or Theta is just right with Roden getting converted.

It is a weird conversion after Roden was asking to be watched.

Titus really really wanting lim Cakez, does lend itself to scumTitus.....totally could see her doing that as a buss.

I can't see Roden being a convert.

Could just simply be Theta as well.

And obviously Dan lol

[Doctor Drew]

Roden saying Dan is 90% town after the theory of group scum converting in FG seemed more likely

And

Titus saying Aureal is almost always scum here

Are the two biggest things that have stood out to me as odd today.

Ah shit, forgot about that Roden post about Dan

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez got voted out because Drew suddenly switched to him for no apparent reason then Hu and Jackson followed, and from the way those two are acting I don't expect them to have any sort of analysis of your names.

Can we stop the nonsense of trying to solve every slot when Cakez is just obvious here? We just need to hit the two scums.

I do kinda think that it is best for the game state just to lim Cakez......I do trust Titus is coming from a town mindset here

VOTE: Cakez

I can't say why Hu and JV switched to Cakez, but my switch wasn't 'out of nowhere'

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's not a roleblocker, though the claim was never spelled out terribly well.

Alright, Dan.

I’m gonna be real with you

You hear that Maestro and Cakez both didn’t submit an action, you see NK15’s role, you see the names all being posted for all of you

How do you Occam’s Razor that all town are in there + go out to defend them that hard

I have always included the possibility of one original traitor in FG even though I absolutely thought it was more likely all of us were town. On that I have been proven wrong. Currently I still believe maestro will flip traitor and that's the last of scum in FG. I believe I said earlier that in an extreme circumstance I would compromise on maestro. And that's not because he didn't action but because his role was out of sync with the rest of us.

I explained Nk15's role (away) by saying traitors probably get to talk with each other. I still think that's the case.

Let me counter by asking you what you make of Drew's role if their were group scum in FG.

He targets FG members only and blocks non FG members only

. That doesn't make sense if group scum exists in FG

I mean, it seems clear. I target a member of the FG, and they cannot not be targeted by an action of someone outside of the FG

[Doctor Drew]

Cakez got voted out because Drew suddenly switched to him for no apparent reason then Hu and Jackson followed, and from the way those two are acting I don't expect them to have any sort of analysis of your names.

Can we stop the nonsense of trying to solve every slot when Cakez is just obvious here? We just need to hit the two scums.

I do kinda think that it is best for the game state just to lim Cakez......I do trust Titus is coming from a town mindset here

VOTE: Cakez

I can't say why Hu and JV switched to Cakez, but my switch wasn't 'out of nowhere'

Do you feel Dan is an acceptable lim? Yes or no.

I have been pretty clear for awhile that I am.

[Doctor Drew]

If Aureal stopped scumclaiming, I could vote for Dan.

Aureal is specifically group scum, if scum, and scum with Drew, or I guess Theta if Roden is telling the truth.

I can assure you I am no level of scum, convert, addict or whatever here.

Which upsets me since I just want to flip someone and if we lose we lose.

Preferably Dan

[Doctor Drew]

Meh, FL that kinda sounds wrong again.

Aureal scum, Drew scum, Roden scum, Hu Tao scum
Dan town, Theta town, me town, JV town, Thomlith town, FL town

That's possible

Aureal has been all in my shit since the day start

My scum flowchart from your perspective Titus is actually quite simple with a FL town assumption.

Dan scum, Roden convert, Hu group , Jv convert.

We have to assume thomith town regardless in this gamestate.

Drew's chart has a couple more branches / possibilities

So you are saying it is me vs you?

[Doctor Drew]

Meh, FL that kinda sounds wrong again.

Aureal scum, Drew scum, Roden scum, Hu Tao scum
Dan town, Theta town, me town, JV town, Thomlith town, FL town

That's possible

Aureal has been all in my shit since the day start

What does this mean??

Objectively we can't be buddies I mean, since you have been riding me hard.....at least earlier today

[Doctor Drew]

Meh, FL that kinda sounds wrong again.

Aureal scum, Drew scum, Roden scum, Hu Tao scum
Dan town, Theta town, me town, JV town, Thomlith town, FL town

That's possible

Aureal has been all in my shit since the day start

What does this mean??

Objectively we can't be buddies I mean, since you have been riding me hard.....at least earlier today

Again, what does this mean? It does not seem to meet the standard use of this phrase, which would mean that I have been very suspicious of you. Are you hungover from your birthday still?

huh
well then

roden i wanted to see what your self watch would look like in my results how could you

anyways after the cakez flip i went back and looked for any good traitor indicators and did find a very early comment about flavor leaf being a scum lord among other things so flavor leaf was my second target

so

flavor leafs room had a flavor cop action happen in it and nothing else
rodens room had a recruitment action happen in it and nothing else

also i am in the most recent list titus made as juniper

Ugh wtf

If I trust those Titus results it's not Dan and Theta

My head hurts

Maybe those nagging concerns about Drew that I was getting in my review of day one had something to them after all

UNVOTE:

I will be honest, I remember reading this and thought I remembered more posts of the sort.

That's a bit of my bad lol

But as with D1, still no nagging concerns with me now lol

[Doctor Drew]

I will be honest, I remember reading this and thought I remembered more posts of the sort.

That's a bit of my bad lol

But as with D1, still no nagging concerns with me now lol

Are you...

telling

me that I have no nagging concerns with you?

Yes actually

As with D1, I am the same here......ie not a recruit nor group scum

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't even realize I wasn't voting Dan

VOTE: Dan

[Doctor Drew]

and frankly, I have a damn good case on Dan, full stop, and I'm tired of people acting like I have no reason for it.

Dan, if somehow you are town here, I'm sorry for the push, but there are reasons upon reasons, and if so, I think Drew set you up here very well, but I do not see a world where it isn't you or Drew, and the case is absolutely staggering for you.

I don't disagree with any of your points against Dan, except that it still makes sense for the traitors to follow Dan's lead even if he's town, because he was pushing town. Setting him up to take a fall after he keeps getting town like Rat and I faded seems like a reasonable enough strategy for them to be trying.

That's why I'm still on the fence here over Dan/Drew. I still hate all that stuff Dan has done over the course of the game. But I re-evaluate, and right now Drew's skulking around like he's just trying to lie low and not say anything that changes the narrative we've been pushing of Dan being scum. It doesn't feel good. Why isn't he even voting Dan? He said he's still mostly looking there. Is he waiting for his recruits to file in so he can hammer?

Didn't even realize I wasn't voting Dan

VOTE: Dan

Me laying low is since between the FG and the conversions I have just been confused, and I have been settled on Dan is scum for while with not much changing my mind.

Plus just haven't had a crazy amount of time for Mafia as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew was suspicious of the FG from the beginning, the only one of the FG, and he was surrounded by them.

I think it was the the day Maestro was limmed, but I said in the FG that I won't post anymore(or at least for the time being) since I didn't trust them

Wouldn't it behoove me to stay active in there as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I read that like a super serious dramatic reveal, that’s why I think that Dan line is so funny

I wonder if it's because both of you had........

*David Caruso puts on his sunglasses*

TMI

*Cue the CSI Miami theme*

[Doctor Drew]

Moment of truth to see if entire scumteam is currently on me.

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck yeah

Lol, you know there is no chance Roden votes you

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dan

Please just be converted

Genuinely surprised here

[Doctor Drew]

Drew FL Theta Titus scum I guess?

Really hard to tell

Well definitely Drew FL right?

You can give up the pomp and circumstance

[Doctor Drew]

Guys, I was totally group scum with Thom! Let's go. GG. Sorry Dan.

[Doctor Drew]

Ha, culted at the last moment to get the victory

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck cults

Well I appreciate you culting me lol

[Doctor Drew]

I had no clue what to do this game, didn’t fully catch up cuz that was intimidating and I didn’t want to step on the plans the main faction cult was doing so did the bare minimum I could think of

i think thats what bianco did too. i think thats the nature of this setup because converts do have to protect the group scum.

i imagine it doesn't feel good to be converted, though. I guess you came into the game like that, though.

Bianco did target both group scum members with their target, and i even hard defended what I thought was a Dan case about the 3 of us scum, but he was town casing us.

Theta, JV, and I were all Novice/Non-Consecutive, so was hoping that didn't get out too much.
Theta and I had roles that were kinda helpful, but not really, so it really was a matter of controlling day play.

Me testing out Gamma Ascetic claim helped tremendously, and I likely wouldn't have done that without getting the coffee/recruit on Bianco Day 1, so that is a swing that went in our favor.

Just had a thought, now I know when we don't fight in a game......you are scum lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I had no clue what to do this game, didn’t fully catch up cuz that was intimidating and I didn’t want to step on the plans the main faction cult was doing so did the bare minimum I could think of

i think thats what bianco did too. i think thats the nature of this setup because converts do have to protect the group scum.

i imagine it doesn't feel good to be converted, though. I guess you came into the game like that, though.

Bianco did target both group scum members with their target, and i even hard defended what I thought was a Dan case about the 3 of us scum, but he was town casing us.

Theta, JV, and I were all Novice/Non-Consecutive, so was hoping that didn't get out too much.
Theta and I had roles that were kinda helpful, but not really, so it really was a matter of controlling day play.

Me testing out Gamma Ascetic claim helped tremendously, and I likely wouldn't have done that without getting the coffee/recruit on Bianco Day 1, so that is a swing that went in our favor.

Just had a thought, now I know when we don't fight in a game......you are scum lol.

well, i would have faked it, but you were too trusting of me

There was a nagging paranoia that you were pulling a fast one on us, but I kept doubting it as just that. Plus I was so tunneled on Dan I didn't have time to actually think about you lol.

Apologies to Dan for that as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Flavor is a damn good bullshitter, and though I was already onto Theta, I probably wouldn't have ever caught Flavor had I survived. My guy basically claimed NK immune miller and we all just believed him.

Informed NK immune miller. i had to retract that the next couple phases, though, ofc, lol

Just curious why you two chose who to convert, and why in that order?

[Doctor Drew]

Flavor is a damn good bullshitter, and though I was already onto Theta, I probably wouldn't have ever caught Flavor had I survived. My guy basically claimed NK immune miller and we all just believed him.

Informed NK immune miller. i had to retract that the next couple phases, though, ofc, lol

Just curious why you two chose who to convert, and why in that order?

I gave the name Nova. we got Nova.

Gave the name Arden, got Arden.

Didnt get a N3 one.

Roden had claimed Lennox, so we went Lennox because I could warrant teaming up with Roden in thread, and he was starting to town read Dan, so didnt want to lose his vote.

You were chosen as the 'take them to win with us'.

So Roden was the only choice, and only one we knew 100%. And only kinda knew 100% because Roden started coming after me too, haha.

The only reason you would convert me was when you knew you would win lol, but appreciated.

Roden definitely had a tonal shift, seemed obv they were a convert.

[Doctor Drew]

I do think the choice of culting drew was appropriate

Kinda was that if somehow the game continued I would have been such obvCult(even I wasn't recruited)