Kemusan - Game Over

[SirCakez]

Oh man I am gonna have a hard time getting into this game today
Tomorrow should be better
Someone ask me out <3

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is also SirBaked rn so this should be a great time to play this game

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to just read the last ~10 pages so I can be into the game faster and interact w people since this game is hella active

[SirCakez]

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

[SirCakez]

JOIN THE BAKE OFF

[SirCakez]

I'm working on it pg 9

[SirCakez]

Fear your wishes.

Weird fishes?

[SirCakez]

Ok 15 pages down, opening vote here

VOTE: fferyllt
her posts just feel so awkward. I haven't played with her in a while and I'm sure somebody is gonna come to ay it's just her playstyle. But like someone (StD?) said that it looks like she's trying to blend and I 100% agree. It's like she's performing all these obligatory posts with cabd and lld and co but they don't feel genuine to me.

[SirCakez]

I honestly don't feel good about Cabd or LLD either (with the asterisk that I know LLD was high so that affected things lol)

[SirCakez]

Bell, Firebringer, StD, RH9 feels like my early parsing into town vibes ish area

[SirCakez]

cakez, we're in pairing stage lol.

Lmaoooo SirBaked move

UNVOTE: my vote that doesn't exist

[SirCakez]

Oh man I am gonna have a hard time getting into this game today
Tomorrow should be better
Someone ask me out <3

cakez i think ur cute

but alas

we were not meant to be

ty, tragic

[SirCakez]

Ok I got distracted but I am done reading now but I don't have as much as I'd thought

[SirCakez]

Ehh. I was gonna say I’ve only ever seen cakes!scum get overwhelmed with faster paced games and then end up on endless catchups with no agency. Which could happen here.
So I lied, vibe.

No I'm town stop this isn't happening

[SirCakez]

I'm caught up but like I'm not feeling much to engage with honestly, still thinking about pairing but I always find it hard to scumhunt without being able to vote people and use wagons

[SirCakez]

Can someone explain their fferylit scum read? I’m seeing it so much but still not getting it, what am I missing?

A lot of her posts have a sense of being ~constructed to me, like she's trying to make herself sound like her town self but something feels kinda subtly off when she's trying to do that. Her entrance in particular feels like she's trying to hit the points her town-self would, but misses somehow

Also a lot of her later posts are kinda opaque and like she's trying to make a big deal abt Having Reads and Sorting but i don't feel like there's actually substance behind a lot of her posts and lines of questioning

An example would be 915 - i feel like we already established that i thought she/fire could be svs. She's asking why her townflip would/might change my read on fire/alleviate the sr. To me this seems kind of obvious - if i'm reading them as svs, and one half flips t, i'd need ro re-evaluate, because the reason for scumreading tbe other wouldnt be there as much anymore, which is what i said. But the line of quesrioning to me seems kind of lacking substance because i feel like this shouod be an obvious thought process

Also in that convo, the throwaway lines abt 'what would a weak scumteam be doing here, etc' feel like saying things to look like she's having Complicated Thoughts abt the game. Despite asking a couple of times, I wasn't able to get her to flesh this thought out in any way that is meaningful, or elicidates why this would be important to her. This is the kind of thing where I feel like she's trying to have deep thoughts without the substance being there

Like, skitter just articulated how I'm feeling with ffery way better than I ever could, like I'm down to get this wagon moving but we can't yet

[SirCakez]

Yes I want to mega yeet ffery very much still if that wasn't obvious lol

[SirCakez]

I'm open to pretty much any offers pretty much, I'm just thinking it over before I pick. I think there's several good candidates to go down in a flaming shipwreck with me

[SirCakez]

what do you think of cabd

what do you think of them getting together

idc about cabd now because he paired with ffery and we are probably going to yeet ffery pretty quickly so cabd's alignment will become known no matter what

[SirCakez]

it's unlikely but it would be hilarious if they were both scum

[SirCakez]

I very cautiously want to say I feel good about spiffeh from his early posts but i also have to note I really want him to be town here lol

[SirCakez]

still don't have a good take on a lot of people tbh, hopefully things will become more clear in the dance stages

[SirCakez]

This game is very active I skimmed hello

[SirCakez]

lld said if bell is annoying he's town and it feels like he's trying to push my buttons so maybe it's true?

[SirCakez]

This game is very active I skimmed hello

When are you going to start playing this game?

Lol you can just vote me instead of this kinda posting I know that makes it easier to stop pushes. I feel like this post is such a baited attempt to stir the pot w me

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna look at lavar and rce ISOs to see who is the better candidate for leaving out

[SirCakez]

RCE's posts are okay, nothing that pinged me as super town really but I wouldn't be voting there in a typical day one setting rn

[SirCakez]

This game is very active I skimmed hello

When are you going to start playing this game?

Lol you can just vote me instead of this kinda posting I know that makes it easier to stop pushes. I feel like this post is such a baited attempt to stir the pot w me

ok or at least vote for me when we get to first dance finally

[SirCakez]

If you wanted to talk to me you could just talk to me directly instead of these weird shade-casty posts
Where in skitter or I's assertions about you are we wrong?

[SirCakez]

If you wanted to talk to me you could just talk to me directly instead of these weird shade-casty posts
Where in skitter or I's assertions about you are we wrong?

going to assume this was for ffery

Yes lol just bad post timing making it look weird

[SirCakez]

I kinda like Lavar for town after reading that iso. His posting feels pretty loose in a good way and
So I guess I would lean to leave out RCE? Or maybe Enchant, I feel okay about RH9 for now

[SirCakez]

I kinda like Lavar for town after reading that iso. His posting feels pretty loose in a good way and not faked tonally.
So I guess I would lean to leave out RCE? Or maybe Enchant, I feel okay about RH9 for now

ebwop oh man im off it today

[SirCakez]

If you wanted to talk to me you could just talk to me directly instead of these weird shade-casty posts
Where in skitter or I's assertions about you are we wrong?

You're wrong that any of that shit is indicative of scum-me. And I think you know that.

I wrote up a paranoia scum team guess and I was surprised as hell that you fit into it.

Explain like I'm five why it's wrong. I don't have any recent or memorable enough meta to be using on you here.

If you wanted to talk to me you could just talk to me directly instead of these weird shade-casty posts
Where in skitter or I's assertions about you are we wrong?

And this is exactly why you fit in.

You haven't tried to actually read me. You haven't interacted with me ONCE until I called you out.

Because I was expecting the discussion to go about this direction

[SirCakez]

RH9 btw I did see your offer I'm just still thinking about who's left

[SirCakez]

No, you should definitely vote sircakez now ff.

I really don't want to unleash on you. Please back off.

I’m making a joke and it was at their expense, not yours.

Also ffery this ^ it was totally one of his usual pokes at me

[SirCakez]

enchants iso was useless, he's a coin flip rn but I think RCE could become more readable later in this game so ig Enchant is my vote to leave out for now

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I also think Holy turtle is town, their posting gives me the genuine vibe of actually having fun interacting with the game that I think scum is trying to manufacture this game

[SirCakez]

RH9 btw I did see your offer I'm just still thinking about who's left

i was going to say that if we pair, it would be good if you posted in the pt.
same with fireisred. (tho scum!fireisred is more than capable of using a pt to appear town)

yeah I know I always say I'm gonna put stuff up in there then don't follow through so I wouldn't pair with me if that's really important for you

[SirCakez]

What is the difference between there and here? On that page in that game you accuse me of the same thing you did here, that I'm avoiding interacting with you. I feel like I don't understand what you're saying here.

[SirCakez]

What is the difference between there and here? On that page in that game you accuse me of the same thing you did here, that I'm avoiding interacting with you. I feel like I don't understand what you're saying here.

I told you there's a difference. I knew I was getting elimmed, and I was not pissed about it.

That's the difference between my scum and town game. In a nutshell.

i'll think about this

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I also think Holy turtle is town, their posting gives me the genuine vibe of actually having fun interacting with the game that I think scum is trying to manufacture this game

So is there anyone you think is artificially manufacturing this "having fun" tone?

i get that feel from ffery's (earlier) posting, and kinda Cabd, and Spiff, honestly. he kind of seems like he has a front up of "this is town spiffeh here" this game, which i felt was townish earlier but his posting and takes have felt a little safe for sure. however i also think this could be the result of nervousness/rustiness from a mafia layoff so i'm still on the fence with the mouse ultimately

[SirCakez]

i think my reads on rh9 and enchant both just tanked

can you talk about what caused this because it went totally over my head

[SirCakez]

i think my reads on rh9 and enchant both just tanked

can you talk about what caused this because it went totally over my head

rh9 - i asked him a pretty basic question and he just asked me for clarification and then said "noted" instead of answering, i feel town rh9 would be more open with his thoughts but scum rh9 might put some distance in being confronted even if it's a benign question

enchant - i actually think i'm a decent enchant whisperer. i have been able to discern their alignment before. the biggest take away here is that enchant is a mech heavy player. Even in a game that's not mech heavy like this one, there's still some discussion to be had about what might be optimal. enchant has not really chimed in. the other important thing to note is that by meta, enchant trolls as either alignment. HOWEVER, i believe that when enchant is scum, nearly all or all of their posts are trolling. tell me if you see anything in this game so far that you would consider content from enchant.

without votes or anything happening i would take both of these with a grain of salt but they're enough to make me go "hmm"

i can see both of these arguments actually, thanks. i think this makes me lean more heavily towards wanting to drop enchant since you're right that his iso is literally nothing today

[SirCakez]

All the mentions of tenet this game make me happy

[SirCakez]

When we getting another cakez game!!!!

soon.tm
I'm serious I'm working on it!!

[SirCakez]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?

While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.

I feel like her posts are pretty transparently town tonally, motivationally, everything. What reason do you have to not think she is town?

[SirCakez]

here i have enough to put together a readslist now

Town

Ydrasse (Confirmed)
Bell
skitter30
HolySpiritTurtle
Firebringer

Nulltown

LLD (i can't talk about this one yet but we will get there)
LavarManos
Save the Dragons
RH9

Null

RCE
Cabd (i'm not trying to read him really bc he is a dead man walking)
Gypyx (i'm working on sorting her right now)
fireisredsir (idk fireisred's posts don't really make me feel one way or the other much yet)

Nullscum

Enchant (my vote to leave out of the remaining gents)
Spiffeh (he just feels weird this game)

scumzors yeet rn

fferyllt - the dialogue we had earlier did not feel good to me. i could maybe see the meta argument for town ffery that she presented but it did not feel compelling enough to me compared to the thoughts many in thread including myself have shared

i have a lot of townreads and not many scumreads. i really just need this game to get to first dance so we can eliminate ffery and cabd and then i'll work out my reads from there based on that.

[SirCakez]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?

While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.

I feel like her posts are pretty transparently town tonally, motivationally, everything. What reason do you have to not think she is town?

No specific reason, just no reason to write her off as town like a lot people seem to be doing.

I think many players thought her asking Bell the role PM confirmation question made her town and I don't find that alignment indicative in the slightest.

Cakez, do you have any scum reads other than ffery at the moment? If so, can you elaborate on those a little bit (or point me to where you've already done so?)

P.S. I'm going to be catching up on my phone for the next hour or so but will be back later this evening for some more ~high~ posting to honor what we've built here.

personally i am not just writing her off as town, i am reading many of her posts as town. i'm not really considering the role pm confirmation question.
also see my last post for the answer to that question

[SirCakez]

cakez when was the last time scum u made a readslist

fuck if i know

[SirCakez]

cakez when was the last time scum u made a readslist

fuck if i know

as u and i both know i have a tendancy to defend scum u.
who should i outsource my read of u to

yes i am aware of that LOL
i think you could ask any of the other people in my town pile rn for their read on me and they should be able to help you

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh isn't WKing ffery because ffery is scum lol

[SirCakez]

Im here and around but I am not really feeling much to comment on tbh, my positions are stated now and nothing is changing my mind so far

[SirCakez]

Congratulations on the scum win Sircakez, I saw you when you said, “Gee, I can’t believe I was right in limlo for once!”

Thanks, yeah there were some tells for sure I got helped a lot by pooky and the fake will

[SirCakez]

Im here and around but I am not really feeling much to comment on tbh, my positions are stated now and nothing is changing my mind so far

Apologies, where are your positions stated?

1562

[SirCakez]

*pollutes game environment wildly*

[SirCakez]

I can accept RCE or lavar

[SirCakez]

Lavar > RCE > Enchant my accept order preferences

[SirCakez]

I'm still thinking about it, I want to see what RCE and Enchant do before perma locking something

[SirCakez]

accept RCE

It looks like there's enough suspicion for Lavar that I don't want to take that option away as an elim even though I TR there. RCE feels neutral to me, I definitely don't want to take Enchant

[SirCakez]

Yeah I am also interested in this answer, that post was weird even dropping the "haha that post was meant for scum pt" tell that is literally right 1% of the time

[SirCakez]

I'm really not in a position to give out more town reads but I think SirCakez is town after all.

What changed your mind here?

[SirCakez]

I'm really not in a position to give out more town reads but I think SirCakez is town after all.

What changed your mind here?

This game, you're not trying too hard to look like you're trying hard like I would expect you to as scum.

The specific moment I started feeling this way was here:

*pollutes game environment wildly*

I think scum!SirCakez who has been largely absent throughout the game and already on his back foot doesn't take the time for a jokey, nothing post like this with no other content. I think as scum you would try to emulate a carefree attitude but fill out your posts with something that could be considered content, rather than make a silly comment that doesn't state opinions or take *effort*.

The lack of caring about how you come across is something I don't see in your scum game typically.

ok this actually makes sense, thx

[SirCakez]

BTW, maybe there is some personal bias seeping in
but I'm not a big fan of how RCE was sorta pushed into pairing with Cakez (and this is lowkey my own fault too lol)
fmpov, RCE was sorta hedging on the fact that he could pair with Cakez, but only went forward once there was support in the thread.
Sorta just feels like scum testing the waters, and I'm gonna call a cigar a cigar and say that he is low effort scum here

there was a gap between when RCE asked me and I actually accepted. Why didn't you say anything in between?

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh why do you think Enchant is lean town?

[SirCakez]

oh baby can't wait to get lit and solve this game after work

[SirCakez]

RCE and I didn't talk much but something about how they were talking made me feel more town vibes tbh

[SirCakez]

I agree that Cabd's suicide means scum is somewhere well positioned and not in the obvious suspects
I also think that might make Spiff town

[SirCakez]

I agree that Cabd's suicide means scum is somewhere well positioned and not in the obvious suspects
I also think that might make Spiff town

doesn't that contradict
or u think spiffey is in a bad position.

cause i don't see a lot of scumreads on spiffeh

Myself and a few suspected Spiff pre dance
First dance was so ridiculous idk what to even pull from that

[SirCakez]

I unfortunately think Fire/LLD may be a good pair to yeet here

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh come back in 4.5 hours and we can haha

[SirCakez]

I agree that Cabd's suicide means scum is somewhere well positioned and not in the obvious suspects
I also think that might make Spiff town

I unfortunately think Fire/LLD may be a good pair to yeet here

These are contradictory thought processes, how do you go from one to the other.

*I think scum are in the townread people*
*Suggests eliminating a pair with two widely townread people from predance*

What's the issue

[SirCakez]

do u think LLD can convince me not to leave or something

thats at @cakez and RCE

nah this is just a scumsiding push to eliminate us because scum is worried i'll land on them and be right at this point.

They need me dead to win, not because I'll live to endgame but because I actually give a fuck now and I'm right and when I'm right on things I tend to have my solves come together.

Yeah but which is doing it, cause i lean on cakez

Bro I am not going to endgame again, that's just not gonna happen esp with RCE attached who people probably will elim at some point, and me LMAO

[SirCakez]

I agree that Cabd's suicide means scum is somewhere well positioned and not in the obvious suspects
I also think that might make Spiff town

I unfortunately think Fire/LLD may be a good pair to yeet here

These are contradictory thought processes, how do you go from one to the other.

*I think scum are in the townread people*
*Suggests eliminating a pair with two widely townread people from predance*

What's the issue

How am I a widely townread person? I'm a "kill at this point so no sense reading them in pre-dance" person".

How do you not see the contradiction of "Cabd wants to let his ace in the hole live to win" and "LLD has agreed to die, and can't escape that"

Who pushed you predance? The tides have turned at this point but Cabd couldn't have predicted how it would go. It also just seems like he shit the bed in general this game

[SirCakez]

HST just wrote the Cabd book y'all

[SirCakez]

SirBAKED is not sure if LLD is scum or town anymore this outburst feels genuine but you can never trust LLD fully
I also think LLD does deserve some credit for helping drive the Cabd pressure early, idk if that insta suicide gambit was planned from game start or when things took a bad turn though

[SirCakez]

I'm not sure where to go now though because if scum isn't in my scumreads and they aren't in my town reads then where tf are they

[SirCakez]

VOTE: save the dragons/skitter
I rechecked my readslist and my thoughts on the gambit strat and I think this is the pair for me to vote right now.

[SirCakez]

oh yeah SirBaked scumreads the fuck out of Pooky dude is never the same alignment as me

[SirCakez]

that was differentt okay

[SirCakez]

this is a rough game ngl, we started strong but the scum nuke strat is going to make this endgame really tricky

[SirCakez]

and everyone in this game is so good I really shouldn't trust any of y'all

[SirCakez]

I don't want to pick the endgame town pair yet, we still have several eliminations

[SirCakez]

I shall make my long awaited return tomorrow

[SirCakez]

gg!

[SirCakez]

i feel like i did a good job this game making myself readable as town (at least early on) and with some of my reads. got there in the end lol hopefully i can sustain this energy

[SirCakez]

spiffeh don't leave forever again it was so fun having you back!