Shell Game (Night 3)

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Greetings, Gentlebeings!

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My plans to leave the dance early before Spay could get out a post are dashed, but I won the moral victory of folding a toddler's Disney Princess socks.

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Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?

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Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.

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Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.

nah just straight up ascetic no joke

I'll start a cult later but I have to claim ascetic now cuz optimal play etc

hmm

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Woof being the third best fire in this playerlist I see.

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no one is allowed to push or suspect me until skitter is back btw - ydra

I see this hydra got a different role PM per head.

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Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.

nah just straight up ascetic no joke

I'll start a cult later but I have to claim ascetic now cuz optimal play etc

Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?

Step right up, be the next hero-vig if you're out there~

Don't let yourself get shown up by a literal wolf girl.

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Hiiii

did u bribe ur husband to get a scum pm

With my body

VOTE: STD only because I can't vote the mod and you share a household, for not telling me about that place in Seattle that serves Earl Grey ice cream and making me discover it via other means.

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Workplace benefits package on MS be wild.

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im in pookybucks debt i need to make some back

how so?

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libertarian utopia

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Pooky. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Woofbringer. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or sheep votes.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

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They only gave me three others, double traitor be wack.

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I'll start;

Strong Townreads: Firebringer
Townreads: Save the Dragons, Shello and Goodbye, PenguinPower
Townleans:
Null: Everyone Else
Scumleans:
Scum: Firebagel, Morph The Cat, Sunflower
Strong Scumread:

I see two problems with this so far.

And counting.

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I see two problems with this so far.

And counting.

Penguin is townie even when he doesn't post

Noted, thanks, but not where the problems lie.

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I'm with the third best fire on that one, actually.

I have tonal whiplash.

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I'm with the third best fire on that one, actually.

I have tonal whiplash.

I'm not sure how you can say this based on what I have posted so far.

Your posts are landing kinda flat.

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I'm with the third best fire on that one, actually.

I have tonal whiplash.

I'm not sure how you can say this based on what I have posted so far.

Your posts are landing kinda flat.

That does not sound out of character for me as town early.

Your meta self-read is also noted!

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Aside from scumteam size anything else of interest to you so far, Dunn?

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I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

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I am leaning towards believing that Pooky is a town ascetic

Eyebrows raised, pinky twirled, chamomile served, tell me over tea.

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I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

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nya

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And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Spoiler: Wherein Cabd Waxes Poetic about his theories of the evolution of multi-game lasting hydrae

But Cabd, WHYYYYYY is this a bad thing? Don't players sorta of enjoy melding with their partners over time? Aren't you a hydra who won't sign because you expect everyone else to figure out when you impersonate each other anyways?


To those questions, I say....

It's a bad thing because this is still within the first ten games together. At that stage, melding to the degree of one player taking the other's style and running with it is something you FORCE, to muddle the waters in an innocent looking way, and cover for your now-publicly-known scumslip-posting partner.

Yes, they do, but the key phrase there is "over time"

"Yes, skill issue if you don't get us nyeh~"

In that order, more or less.

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Oh and the bagel gets an official hives badge for re-entering what is very clearly a rapidly expiring RVS phase, after having already posted their opener.

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Fluffy flavor banter.

VOTE
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is not a template I associate with a serious vote. Are you affirming that it is a serious vote, then?

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And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Spoiler: Wherein Cabd Waxes Poetic about his theories of the evolution of multi-game lasting hydrae

But Cabd, WHYYYYYY is this a bad thing? Don't players sorta of enjoy melding with their partners over time? Aren't you a hydra who won't sign because you expect everyone else to figure out when you impersonate each other anyways?


To those questions, I say....

It's a bad thing because this is still within the first ten games together. At that stage, melding to the degree of one player taking the other's style and running with it is something you FORCE, to muddle the waters in an innocent looking way, and cover for your now-publicly-known scumslip-posting partner.

Yes, they do, but the key phrase there is "over time"

"Yes, skill issue if you don't get us nyeh~"

In that order, more or less.

Spoiler:

timelines run quick sometimes

but also this just isn't really an accurate assessment. im always like this, or can be, depending on mood. i don't think im taking jupiter's style here

What has snagged your attention so far?

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Yeah the hosting is fucked up somehow.

Bork has nightmares about it apparently.

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Hi "I'm a miller", I'm Dad.

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Hi "I'm a miller", I'm Dad.

dad, I asked a question

You asked Mom queries. Not me. She managed to escape insomnia Island so you'll get it tomorrow.

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PookyTheMagicalBear
Oblivion
ActionDan
Firebagel
Brian Skies
Spiffeh

morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Firebringer
Dunnstral
Gypyx
marcistar
Save The Dragons
Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)
Sunflower (JupiterXV & fireisredsir)
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower
Dannflor

Hermit Crab
Cat Scratch Fever
Lukewarm

Can you explain what this means?

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How can there be a huge hood and we aren't in it?

This is an outrage.

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My thoughts so far:

Sunflower in post 13 struck me the wrong way as I wasn't expecting that post from fireisredsir, and then they had a lot of filler type posts. They then call me towny and I'm not sure what they are basing that off of either with the 4 posts I had before.

ActionDan's post 86 rubs me the wrong way because I don't agree and don't know how they reached their conclusions. Perhaps they can explain.

Sunflower is because of forces outside the main thread. I will not explain that at this time, but may before the day is through.

Firebagel was because as an alt that may very well only exist for the purpose of stealing Firebringer's scum claiming gimmick, it hadn't posted for a page.

OK. Why is not posting for a page scummy?

People who engage in gimmicks like that place a high priority on RVS banter to form early reads. If they do not post while the iron is hot, the utility disappears as well.

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I see our neighborhood has been outed. At first glance this worry from Maristar looks planned and manufactured. And with the goodfellas award I am discarding this as an oversensitive townie

VOTE: Maristar

Secondly CSF earns a permanent FOS for the Miller claim for this particular game alone.

How active is your hood, Dan? Any thoughts about your other neighbors?

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I'm a little more concerned about another player in this game who sports the goodfellas banner from Mafia Invictus.

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1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

1. morph was using one data point to make a bad read ("fire being fluffy = scum copying jupiter's style in order to cover for him" is just not good in a lot of ways) and i expect better of them particularly when they have access to a second data point that would make the read not make sense and they ignored it. by "interesting" i meant bad. i thought it was scummy at first but eh maybe not. dunn has also played with me a decent amount but his read didn't bother me, maybe because it sounded more gut

2. don't wanna

It was more than one data point, and it was one prong of our concerns last night.

Haven't seen cabd around this morning, and I'm still catching up.

PSA: I'm probably going to be a little slow-witted over the next couple of days. I seem to be in recovery mode now, from Covid.

Luke, I saw your question, and I'll get to it when I'm caught up. The short answer is, we wanted to play a couple cards close to our vest last night. Right now, not caught up, I'm not sure if that will still be the case.

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I see two problems with this so far.

And counting.

Penguin is townie even when he doesn't post

Noted, thanks, but not where the problems lie.

I am interested in your answer.

fwiw, every name on this list seems to be approximately where I would expect it to be coming from pooky at the moment I hit it lol

My concerns were wrt to disagreements with the list, not whether it was expectable.

What were

your

reads of the listed players when you saw the list?

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I think Firebringer was the first to say something about a PT last night.

Does he belong to one of the megahoods?

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What were your
reads of the listed players when you saw the list?

I feel like answering this question stops my line of questioning from being useful to me, but I pinky promise to respond to this after.

I kind of just want to know which two names did you object to, and why

Your answer kinda answers your question. Why are you so curious about this?

The more I think about how Marci handled the hoods, the more I want to just town bin her for the rest of the game.

You're voting Action Dan, at least in part over his reaction to marci's neighborhood related posts. Do you expect him to know her towngame well enough not to have that reaction?

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If it helps

Theres a like ..5..? Idk how to count! Person hood and we got info that suggests scums in the hood.

I think its sus of action to say "0 or 1 scum in the hood" since i dont get why ceph would give that info if there wasnt scum in the hood?
I think hes scum trying to push the assumption of no scum in hood so he can get whateber that buff is.

Really! Lets all claim our hoods! i am so fucking scared of mine what if theres multiple scum i know im an easy pocket..

i’m admittedly unused to this from marci (this being like… i guess not being pseudo trolly if not all out) but it matches what i think she could post as town

like it seems out of her wheelhouse to be a wolf and go hi guys. Neighborhoods? to me lol

So, Marci has come a loooong way since mountain dew era. But this player list is a BIG gathering, and a lot of us are playing with claws out from the get-go. So I'm going to concur, but note that it's not impossible to pass this test as scum-her, just less likely than the alternative that she's town and expects to be found eventually.

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You're voting Action Dan, at least in part over his reaction to marci's neighborhood related posts. Do you expect him to know her towngame well enough not to have that reaction?

I actually planned on waiting for the answer to 232 before voting, but then a wagon formed, and I wanted to feel included

This doesn't answer my question. Or I'm being obtuse.

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I’m saying this now so no one can steal it from me before I can get back to my computer and act like they thought of it first:

I’m not townreading Shello and Goodbye
Or Lukewarm
Or Pooky (this one’s not that special)

One might call them “the big three”

Sunflower remains to be seen when I can properly read what I’ve only skimmed but I’m sad no one followed me onto them, I was proud of my page six case

fwiw I like that you picked up some of the stuff that caused my raised hairs last night. There was one post fireisred made before I went to bed that calmed my concerns somewhat. at least for now.

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which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddy

Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!

I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take

What has snagged your attention so far?

actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible

pooky a little towny

dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising

y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied

if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks

firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn

I don't like either of the above from Sunflower

The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.

The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.

These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.

@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:

my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.

i also never townread their predecessor.

buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.

i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.

before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort

this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads

these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.

I’m fine with either being eliminated

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Your answer kinda answers your question. Why are you so curious about this?

I am trying to figure out why you ended up responding to that reads list seriously. Like I think that that reads list voiced between 0 to two (MAX) actual reads in in, so seeing you respond to it seriously raised questions.

For reference, Pooky's reads list was:
-The three people pooky bantered with about being/claiming scum on page 1 in the scum pile (15, 17, 20)
-Firebringer in the highest possible town pile, as consistent with the dynamic between the two, where firebringer claims scum, and pooky calls him lock town, and firebringer pretends to be offended that pooky could even consider that a possibility. This played out in this very game before the reads list.
-PenguinPower, who has made 0 posts, in town. Once again, this appears to be a Pooky+PP dynamic, as I am like 90% sure I have seen pooky say basically the same thing as fb's 80.

That leaves the only two that had any chance of having *any* substance behind them being the STD and the Ydra/skitter hydra reads.

I am not familiar with pooky having a dynamic with them like the PP or FB one, so that is where I see the possibility of 0-2 actual reads being expressed here, but overall this just seems like the culmination of his early banter.

So seeing you respond, with specific critiques, made me wonder how you got there.

specific?

You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?

Somewhat tangential: we wanted to see players bring their A games last night. I think to some extent that happened, and we're feeling pretty good about it.

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specific?

You had an exact number of name placements you were disagreeing with.

You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?

I don't know. It seemed unaware of the content of pooky's prior posts in a way that seemed particularly out of character for you. I was worried that it could be that you are scum, and was hoping to get you to voice what lead you to making that post, so I could judge that instead of trying to just guess at how you got there, but it feels like you have been dancing around that question.

It's because I told her to dance, just saw maybe what I needed to, thanks.

Spay, you can explain now.

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specific?

You had an exact number of name placements you were disagreeing with.

I did!

You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?

I don't know. It seemed unaware of the content of pooky's prior posts in a way that seemed particularly out of character for you. I was worried that it could be that you are scum, and was hoping to get you to voice what lead you to making that post, so I could judge that instead of trying to just guess at how you got there, but it feels like you have been dancing around that question.

Heh!

Well, I got what I wanted out of this convo, and so did Cabd. Consider your day 3 ticket punched.

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Well, I got what I wanted out of this convo, and so did Cabd. Consider your day 3 ticket punched.

I feel like I have been bamboozled in this conversation some how

Yes. Get Skagway'd.

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Not that I think you would be unaware as scum. But that the content might not influence the directions you take as much.

So, the "post" seemed unaware. Not necessarily that "you" seemed unaware.

fwiw I filter Pooky's early banter and his readslists separately. At that point in the game I had 3 and a half nascent reads, none of which (with the exception of firebringer (the .5)) made it to Pooky's list.

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morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet

spayhalf (me) is a little wary about Dannflor atm. I feel like he's made a lot of hay out of Dan's posts, given the posts.

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morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet

Neuter-half saaaaaaayz:

I liked the self-withdraw about playstyle differentials with Luke. Other than that, I have an outstanding post to him about Spiff-scum stylistic notes that I'm waiting to hear back on before declaring more detailed read data there.

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morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet

I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?

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I find ActionDan is quite first-layer regardless of alignment

i will take that into account

How is this impacting your Dan read?

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I find ActionDan is quite first-layer regardless of alignment

i will take that into account

How is this impacting your Dan read?

it doesn't really matter right now, but I'll consider it as Dan continues to post

So you're not looking back through this lens but will look through it going forward?

Why is that?

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morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet

I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?

I will answer
Could I ask what your best guess is first?

Our best guess is that the strikethroughs mean you've found them town enough for now, and the bolds are your scumreads/concerns.

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CSF, Dann

you're meta reading firebagel?

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Obligatory Yomi namedrop here.

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NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.

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morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet

I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?

I will answer
Could I ask what your best guess is first?

Our best guess is that the strikethroughs mean you've found them town enough for now, and the bolds are your scumreads/concerns.

That's basically accurate

I find value in it being ambiguous. I like to experiment with different methods of expressing my thoughts on the game. I also enjoy extracting information out of how people engage with different levels of ambiguity vs straightforwardness. I often find that some people's assumptions about things like that are pretty closely attached to alignment.

I'll occasionally shift how willing I am to highlight someone in one direction or another just to try it out and see what will happen

Can you explain why Brian Skies is a strikethru?

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I'm very curious to see you address that point, spiffeh.

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That's funny because you're the one(s) I was talking about!

Interesting. You think we are both town reading you?

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That's funny because you're the one(s) I was talking about!

I kinda wondered! You mentioned Kemusan to Gypyx. I've been thinking about that game as well (and my thoughts in that game about WH13) wrt what tends to form my reads on you.

And I'm wondering how well you've reverse-engineered all that.

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"they" being Spiffy?

I'm not very moved past 55-45 or so. I'll note that I was koishi in the above example, and spiff has great results pushing me while staying in the town block as groupscum in that game. The lean is that I'm not sure he does that then immediately goes goading me again In this one, about my read of him.

But like he said, he's not a shitty player and he's not outside any ranges at the moment.

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Ffery is the one that grabbed the Eternity Larva post right?

No.

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VOTE: marcistar

hmm

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idk last time i saw marci prematurely hint/claim a really good role she was scum

What game was this?

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why would i lie about that

Aside from the claim does her play here remind you of that game?

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why would i lie about that

Aside from the claim does her play here remind you of that game?

I decided not really

My quick iso scan also suggests not really, which concerned me.

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Spoiler: Morph quotes

which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddy

Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!

I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take

What has snagged your attention so far?

actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible

pooky a little towny

dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising

y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied

if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks

firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn

I don't like either of the above from Sunflower

The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.

The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.

These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.

@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:

my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.

i also never townread their predecessor.

buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.

i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.

before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort

this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads

these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.

I’m fine with either being eliminated

I don't think this was a good comparison. The Eternity Larva post is 1500 posts into Day 1 where I'm scum, feeling myself, and being widely townread by the masses. My ~case~ on Sunflower was post 149 before anything's really happened (also I'm Town here but that's beside the point!). In Touhou, someone specifically asked for reasons why Koishi was scum so I was happy to jump in and oblige to earn further town points. Here, I posted the Sunflower case with zero prompting.

I'm sure there was a more apt comparison that you could have made earlier on in Day 1 of Touhou that you didn't, and I'm left wondering why.

I interpreted your question to Dannflor as your explanation for why you were town reading me, so it feels like unearned buddying especially when the circumstances are VASTLY different.

Especially coming out of Touhou where Cabd especially was snowed by me super hard and I expect him to be incredibly wary of my every move this game.

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood the point you were making.

Morph any response to this?

I don't think Cabd is around atm.

I'm curious why you thought I made that post. Also, did you have a response to my cryptic comment about Kemusan and WH13?

[morph the cat]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

I've been called both lackluster and tryharding so far

It's possible to be both. Even simultaneously.

[morph the cat]

Spoiler: Morph quotes

which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddy

Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!

I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take

What has snagged your attention so far?

actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible

pooky a little towny

dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising

y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied

if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks

firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn

I don't like either of the above from Sunflower

The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.

The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.

These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.

@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:

my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.

i also never townread their predecessor.

buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.

i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.

before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort

this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads

these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.

I’m fine with either being eliminated

I don't think this was a good comparison. The Eternity Larva post is 1500 posts into Day 1 where I'm scum, feeling myself, and being widely townread by the masses. My ~case~ on Sunflower was post 149 before anything's really happened (also I'm Town here but that's beside the point!). In Touhou, someone specifically asked for reasons why Koishi was scum so I was happy to jump in and oblige to earn further town points. Here, I posted the Sunflower case with zero prompting.

I'm sure there was a more apt comparison that you could have made earlier on in Day 1 of Touhou that you didn't, and I'm left wondering why.

I interpreted your question to Dannflor as your explanation for why you were town reading me, so it feels like unearned buddying especially when the circumstances are VASTLY different.

Especially coming out of Touhou where Cabd especially was snowed by me super hard and I expect him to be incredibly wary of my every move this game.

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood the point you were making.

Morph any response to this?

I don't think Cabd is around atm.

I'm curious why you thought I made that post. Also, did you have a response to my cryptic comment about Kemusan and WH13?

I just ISO'd you and can't figure out why I thought that was you.

I think you are referring to the fact that we mind meld fairly often and easily when we are Town together. The crypticness of your post makes me think you are not currently town reading me.

I'm townleaning you, but there is a mindmeld concern and an overall ~playing to meta?~ concern.

[morph the cat]

My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore

PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?

i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though

Luke was accurate about what I was doing with the UNO card. I kinda doubt he knew what our point was, or why the convo led to such a townread for both heads.

[morph the cat]

My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore

PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?

i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though

At the time I felt like Luke was a little too accepting of Morph as Town after that interaction

Like "yay Morph is townreading me now let me return the favor so they get off my back"

You think we were on his back?

[morph the cat]

Guys my hood is so fun and fresh rn!!

What's changed?

[morph the cat]

i was making a general statement about how it's frustrating as scum to watch people get cleared correctly for seemingly inaccurate or unfair reasons

and also taking a jab at sunflower

Do you think this is happening? Do you think scum are frustrated?

[morph the cat]

Guys my hood is so fun and fresh rn!!

What's changed?

We decided to talk things out together! Kiss and makeup and share what we know!!

Idk if its protown to share what it is tho

It probably isn't.

[morph the cat]

YALL I FINALLY REALIZED WHAT MY HOODMATES WERE SAYING

THATS SO SLAY.

I think theres exactly 1 scum in my hood.

Cool so who is it? Name your guess.

[morph the cat]

A playerlist of this caliber*

I mean I think most of us can put together "five players similar roles" and get the obvious answer regardless. So the not morph cat is already out of the deathy bag.

[morph the cat]

YALL I FINALLY REALIZED WHAT MY HOODMATES WERE SAYING

THATS SO SLAY.

I think theres exactly 1 scum in my hood.

who is it

Bear you're so late to the party that all you get is the stale crumbs from the cracker plate.

[morph the cat]

Pooky stop being a fake dumbtellinhg dork-idiot challenge: impossible.

[morph the cat]

My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore

PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?

i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though

At the time I felt like Luke was a little too accepting of Morph as Town after that interaction

Like "yay Morph is townreading me now let me return the favor so they get off my back"

You think we were on his back?

Your interaction with Luke felt like that thing you do in your town games where you engage with someone you potentially suspect heavily to either cement or shake yourself out of the read.

It's why I felt your slot came out townier in that exchange.

We were motivated by "this could be an easy read, let's see what happens". Which is why your characterization surprises me. Luke was pursuing us in that convo. We just took advantage of the attention for our own read purposes.

Our early engagements with Dunn and Sunflower were driven by concerns, though.

[morph the cat]

In the role pm theres listed 4 options and theres 5 of us.

what does this even mean

Critical thinking skills got left behind in the mafia PT and outsourced to a try harder I see. You must have gotten somebody who thrives on setup spec with you.

[morph the cat]

I refuse to believe that Pooky doesn't know exactly what is going on here with all of the clues. This is like "help dora the explorer figure out which train to ride" level of easy given everything itt already.

[morph the cat]

Okay fuck it both heads of this hydra have extensive experience with this exact set of five. Please hold I will babys first deathy explain this to folks.

[morph the cat]

A playerlist of this caliber*

I mean I think most of us can put together "five players similar roles" and get the obvious answer regardless. So the not morph cat is already out of the deathy bag.

Yeah, I get it.

We should probably kill in that hood.

I think the hood should have a HUGE say in whether that's the right direction.

[morph the cat]

Since Marci came out and just said it yeah...

A deathy is a five player neighborhood with the following details:

1 scum (tradition makes this a traitor but doesn't have to be)
4 town cops of unknown sanity (they don't know their own sanity, just the possibilities)

Now we go through the list of five people in that hood looking for possible traitor signals!

[morph the cat]

Crab town for annoyance.

[morph the cat]

Ideally I’d like more players to react to see who is and isn’t aware of what’s going on. This removes the opportunity.

Chuck Rab

This is town annoyance and you can fite me if you don't agree.

[morph the cat]

dethy.

At least spell it right.

I believe I still own the record for fastest and most eloquent crumb.

[morph the cat]

I don't buy Pooky. I do buy luke. Spiffy maaaaaybe because drugs distorted that.

[morph the cat]

fastest and most eloquent crumb

[morph the cat]

Also, I think this revelation prooobably makes Action Dan town.

[morph the cat]

Morph, would a goon placed into a dethy hood be informed that they are in dethy hood?

Traditionally? Unsure.

WIth this mod? Yes.

[morph the cat]

DeAthy also makes the milelor claim more likely town. Dunno how it makes me feel about the bear. Worse, I think, overall.

I won't cry if he gets tenshi'd.

[morph the cat]

Having played one of my favorite scumgames of all time under this mod: Scum get PLENTY of info and won't be caught flat-footed about this sort of thing. Ceph is very rigorous on not having mod mistakes or lapses in info make scum fall to gotchas.

[morph the cat]

Morph, would a goon placed into a dethy hood be informed that they are in dethy hood?

It's hard to say for sure, but I would think yes.

In the two dethy's in my games, (I was in one of them), the scum members knew as much as the town players did. It was in the opening post of the dethy hood.

They were traitors, not goons and the odd ability out was rolecop.

It would be super powerful for a goon to be able to tell their team who the cops of unknown sanities are, though. Not sure how to balance something like that.

[morph the cat]

i wanna explain things but some people don't like that for some reason zzzzzzzzz

I think I kinda want to hear from each of you five, your read list ONLY on the other four, in order.

[morph the cat]

We can talk about claiming the rest from there.

A deAthy of 5 town is extremely broken and shouldn't be a thing, so assume it's one and exactly one.

[morph the cat]

Morph, a penny for your thoughts on Dunnstral?

Chuck Rab

spayhead is leaning town. a little.

[morph the cat]

I think pros are we eventually hit scum in we lim on the hood.

But also if we lim on the hood ?? Its very possible we hit town too depending on who and how good the scum is.

I personally dont want to do it just for the lolz. But with legitimate suses, like some people have on some of the hoodies. I think is 100% fine.

The huge pro to eliming in the hood is if the first hood elim is scum, then the dethy is a 4 player masonry.

The pro to letting it ride for a bit is that scum may want to leave the dethy alone for a night or so. Cop results can be figured out, but it takes time.

[morph the cat]

It would be super powerful for a goon to be able to tell their team who the cops of unknown sanities are, though

So, uh, would you say that that would incentivize a traitor to out the full list of people in the hood to the main thread...?

Possibly. But the thing about a deAthy is that it pretty much never stays under wraps. I would expect anyone who has played with one before to not worry about it. But if they were new to the concept, yes, I could see an urgency to start talking about it while also hinting that it is one to the main thread.

[morph the cat]

Also, I think this revelation prooobably makes Action Dan town.

time to kill dan choo choo

My playstyle may be overinfluencing my take on that. :/

[morph the cat]

They only gave me three others, double traitor be wack.

Interesting.

a game with 2 dethy hoods and 2 traitors would be lit ngl

I mean yeah, that sounds fun but sadly I don't think Ceph did that here.

[morph the cat]

I think marci is Town

Spiff gets in the dora the explorer pile I see.

[morph the cat]

me

[morph the cat]

It would be super powerful for a goon to be able to tell their team who the cops of unknown sanities are, though

So, uh, would you say that that would incentivize a traitor to out the full list of people in the hood to the main thread...?

Two games isn't a ton of experience, but that's not what I've seen two traitors do in my dethy games. One traitor arguably played terribly though.

I'm trying to think more "writ large", but it kinda feels like staring into a hall of mirrors.

[morph the cat]

There must be some REALLY good STD posts inside the hood to shape some of those hood reads, because not really seeing it from the outside.

[morph the cat]

My playstyle may be overinfluencing my take on that. :/

I didn't sign up for this game for a lecture on the eloquence of crumbing about diners in the 1900s

I signed up to kill baddies

if you want to kill someone else in the hood you can make your case I promise I won't like totally not read it

That's not what I meant, but your response is...edifying.

[morph the cat]

They only gave me three others, double traitor be wack.

Interesting.

a game with 2 dethy hoods and 2 traitors would be lit ngl

I mean yeah, that sounds fun but sadly I don't think Ceph did that here.

I do not think our other 6 person hood is a deathy.

6 person hood is explicitly not a dethy.

[morph the cat]

Depends which head used it.

Spicy take.

[morph the cat]

Depends which head used it.

Is there any doubt?

[morph the cat]

marci is the absolute last person I would kill in that hood.

Chuck Rab

^

[morph the cat]

{Marci, Luke, Crab} have tickets to at least day three by now.

[morph the cat]

i think i'm okay with killing inside of the hood but im curious if its better to leash everyone to one target and let them go for a night because i dont think any of the people in that hood are a priority to kill for wolves (?) from the outside looking in, maybe mechanically but i don't feel like any of them have exerted a lot of solving pressure thus far to make them like 'clear' targets

like if wolves want to cut down their own poe and shoot in there sure i guess that could happen

I'm willing to give the dethy advice on ways to solve sanities, but I'm not interested in leashing them.

[morph the cat]

I think Klick is the scum in the dethy, personally.

Chuck Rab

elaborate?

[morph the cat]

ALSO MINE MINE MINE MINE

NOT YOURS SCUMBEAR

[morph the cat]

I think Klick is the scum in the dethy, personally.

Chuck Rab

elaborate?

It's not marci. CSF claimed miller which draws unnecessary attention as scum who would likely already know they are in a dethy. AD's reaction to CSF felt town. That leaves dragons and Klick, and they said dragons was who first instigated the discussion, which I lean more town on.

That leaves Klick.

Chuck you silly crustacean CSF is not in the hood.

-Herr Mitt

Brain rot from PrawnHub is a serious concern affecting today's youth.

[morph the cat]

Same slot, different heads, silly old bear. That was a legitimate snag and you're just salty.

[morph the cat]

What do we think about a certain ascetic claim in light of the dethy? I doubt any of those can clear an ascetic, no?

Chuck Rab

Well, when you see a bear-ascetic, it has a bear tummy. And when you see a bear tummy....

You....

Vig it.

[morph the cat]

(Mind you, had it been a bear forehead, you kiss it. And if it's a bear-ear, the earworm eats it)

[morph the cat]

Marci is the hood named deathy or something?

[morph the cat]

No, it's named dethy.

Every time you complain I'm gonna add an extra A to the middle.

We're already up to DeAAthy.

[morph the cat]

Marci is the hood named deathy or something?

uhh it has to do with our role dms!

united

inventors

association!

Marci is an innocent child, as of this post.

Facepalm.

That explains the nuance about "more complicated than that"

[morph the cat]

Hermit do you have a read of us?

[morph the cat]

Hermit do you have a read of us?

Note that while we will town read you regardless, we WILL judge~

[morph the cat]

Is cakez on a recent scumstreak? he was town in the dancegame, no?

[morph the cat]

Is cakez on a recent scumstreak? he was town in the dancegame, no?

Was he in your scum pt??

[morph the cat]

Is cakez on a recent scumstreak? he was town in the dancegame, no?

Was he in your scum pt??

cakez was town in dance but like out of like past 5 games cakez played i swear he been scum in 4, might just be 3

I'm giving neuterhalf shit because I'm still salty about that game.

[morph the cat]

Did I say I think Brian Skies could be scum yet?

Because I think he could

This is an untelegraphed mindmeld, for reals.

[morph the cat]

Is cakez on a recent scumstreak? he was town in the dancegame, no?

Was he in your scum pt??

cakez was town in dance but like out of like past 5 games cakez played i swear he been scum in 4, might just be 3

I'm giving neuterhalf shit because I'm still salty about that game.

leave dance again

[morph the cat]

So many people town read Brian's 150 when it's giving the bare minimum, I don't get that

Samesies

[morph the cat]

I'm very curious as to what crab thinks about Sir skies

[morph the cat]

idk guys

i dont see anything really wrong with the posts (his whole iso)?

but i agree it isnt giving much

I want you to think about what it means if we have four guaranteed Town In a group of five. And most of us have a few very strong reeds of town outside of those five. I know it's a 22-player game but the available space for scum is shrinking rapidly and just okay isn't good enough.

[morph the cat]

Also crab your hair is very blue but I'm sure you bleed very green.

[morph the cat]

I’m saying this now so no one can steal it from me before I can get back to my computer and act like they thought of it first:

I’m not townreading Shello and Goodbye
Or Lukewarm
Or Pooky (this one’s not that special)

One might call them “the big three”

Sunflower remains to be seen when I can properly read what I’ve only skimmed but I’m sad no one followed me onto them, I was proud of my page six case

Mickey, what's the deal with this? Have any of these changed?

I will need to reread the dethy hood realization when I'm not high af but my first impression is that Luke is townier, Ydrasse and Pooky no real change

I too am under the influence except for mine is the pill form of chore spoons.

[morph the cat]

I am voting dan for the CSF shade while being a supposed cop

Why is there a Miller in this game?

Before I step through a line of questioning, is this a question for the entire group or are you asking specific people for the answer?

[morph the cat]

I knew we shouldn't have taken the lines of questioning Do not cross tape out of the budget

[morph the cat]

idk guys

i dont see anything really wrong with the posts (his whole iso)?

but i agree it isnt giving much

I want you to think about what it means if we have four guaranteed Town In a group of five. And most of us have a few very strong reeds of town outside of those five. I know it's a 22-player game but the available space for scum is shrinking rapidly and just okay isn't good enough.

Ok so there is little room for scum to hide.

but also it looks like brian skies is pretty afk. its possible for an easy push that way so im a bit wary.

more than brian skies, i am concerned about dunnstral, esp if actiondan winds up being the scum in the hood. dunnstral is easily more active and i can see some reasons here, though i understand the associations im building makes me biased.

Well, I cannot speak for everyone but it is my impression that the actual votes today will be within the hood and everyone is just examining their reads outside of it for now. I'm certainly not on board to wagon anybody at this point in time.

[morph the cat]

idk guys

i dont see anything really wrong with the posts (his whole iso)?

but i agree it isnt giving much

I want you to think about what it means if we have four guaranteed Town In a group of five. And most of us have a few very strong reeds of town outside of those five. I know it's a 22-player game but the available space for scum is shrinking rapidly and just okay isn't good enough.

Ok so there is little room for scum to hide.

but also it looks like brian skies is pretty afk. its possible for an easy push that way so im a bit wary.

more than brian skies, i am concerned about dunnstral, esp if actiondan winds up being the scum in the hood. dunnstral is easily more active and i can see some reasons here, though i understand the associations im building makes me biased.

Well, I cannot speak for everyone but it is my impression that the actual votes today will be within the hood and everyone is just examining their reads outside of it for now. I'm certainly not on board to wagon anybody at this point in time.

mmm thats true. but im just saying i dont agree with some brian skies srs until i see more activity from there. hes null for me rn.i dont get how anyone could get any more unless if im reading too far into it?

Okay. There are 21 marbles in a jar. We take out like ten of them. There are then four evil marbles and six good marbles. Yeah?


So like, if some of those ten marbles have done town things. Then those other null marbles are looking pretty damn red.

[morph the cat]

Instructions unclear, ego inflated to size of universe

[morph the cat]

idk guys

i dont see anything really wrong with the posts (his whole iso)?

but i agree it isnt giving much

I want you to think about what it means if we have four guaranteed Town In a group of five. And most of us have a few very strong reeds of town outside of those five. I know it's a 22-player game but the available space for scum is shrinking rapidly and just okay isn't good enough.

Ok so there is little room for scum to hide.

but also it looks like brian skies is pretty afk. its possible for an easy push that way so im a bit wary.

more than brian skies, i am concerned about dunnstral, esp if actiondan winds up being the scum in the hood. dunnstral is easily more active and i can see some reasons here, though i understand the associations im building makes me biased.

Well, I cannot speak for everyone but it is my impression that the actual votes today will be within the hood and everyone is just examining their reads outside of it for now. I'm certainly not on board to wagon anybody at this point in time.

mmm thats true. but im just saying i dont agree with some brian skies srs until i see more activity from there. hes null for me rn.i dont get how anyone could get any more unless if im reading too far into it?

Okay. There are 21 marbles in a jar. We take out like ten of them. There are then four evil marbles and six good marbles. Yeah?


So like, if some of those ten marbles have done town things. Then those other null marbles are looking pretty damn red.

4 evil marbles and 6 good ones? where are these numbers coming from?

but i get it. i think. i guess i just feel bad fuck.

It's like obtuse bear never left

[morph the cat]

anyone outside the hood and not exceedingly bored right now is scum

Why did you feel town would be bored by the curtain parting on the dethy?

let me know when you guys have solved the game

You sound demotivated to me. Is that accurate?

[morph the cat]

Maybe the true obtusebear was the dethy's we made along the way?

Chuck Rab

<3

[morph the cat]

I am voting dan for the CSF shade while being a supposed cop

Why is there a Miller in this game?

Just fire, and to answer him it is unnecessary.

I am not the arbiter of why scum would claim Miller after ascetic, only that it does not fit the setup as I see it.

I want to be sure I understand. You think a town miller doesn't make sense in the setup as we -- writ large -- know it so far?

[morph the cat]

anyone outside the hood and not exceedingly bored right now is scum

Why did you feel town would be bored by the curtain parting on the dethy?

let me know when you guys have solved the game

You sound demotivated to me. Is that accurate?

- I don't think I understood what was going on at that point beyond vague mech shenanigans, mech shenanigans tend to bore me even when I understand what is going on. that post was mostly a joke but i was also thinking scum were more likely to be engaged in the goings on

- I'm a little grumpy yeah but I'll shake it off

Can you point me at another game where mech shenanigans brought you down?

[morph the cat]

didn't you dislike the miller claim before you realized the whole dethy things?

or do I have the timeline wrong?

I don't want this to be a townslip. but.

[morph the cat]

No town Miller does not make sense. It is a waste of creative space if all cops are unreliable anyway.

Could I interest you in a 17p game where a dethy and a miller were part of the design?

[morph the cat]

didn't you dislike the miller claim before you realized the whole dethy things?

or do I have the timeline wrong?

I don't want this to be a townslip. but.

Prolly-traitor weakens it somewhat, but a watered-down townslip is still nice pickings for a day one.

[morph the cat]

didn't you dislike the miller claim before you realized the whole dethy things?

or do I have the timeline wrong?

I was on this same line of questioning. Except I have a different reaction from Morph; is this not a scum slip? Actionsan would have been aware of the dethy before it was brought up in the hood.

We're saying it makes Dann feel slightly townier. I'm not sure what it does for AD.

[morph the cat]

I kinda think ActionDan is Town?

Does he really continue to double down on the miller thing as scum when it’s clearly rubbing people the wrong way and worsening his already vulnerable position?

If AD ends up being scum in the hood, this is 500% scum-spiff doing a cred trade, don't let this post get forgotten.

</tinfoil kneejerk>

[morph the cat]

@morph that both sounds like a chore and would not tell you anything meaningful about my alignment

sorry to be obstinate but also not sorry

Nobody likes Spay's homework.

TLDR there was a deathy game with a Miller in it and the miller was used as a game design object to have a known stepping-forward-on-decent-play calibration target dummy for the DeAAthy that was unlikely to get shot.

[morph the cat]

@morph that both sounds like a chore and would not tell you anything meaningful about my alignment

sorry to be obstinate but also not sorry

I'm not sure what post you're referencing here.

[morph the cat]

How would I earn cred for his scum flip when I’m calling him Town? Lol

The opposite, using some of your cred to protect your asset inside of the deAAthy in scum-AD scum-spiff world.

Actually.

SPAY QUOTE THE SPIFF POST AND THE IMAGE WE PREPARED FOR THIS EXACT SCENARIO

[morph the cat]

No town Miller does not make sense. It is a waste of creative space if all cops are unreliable anyway.

Could I interest you in a 17p game where a dethy and a miller were part of the design?

Was this a good game? It does not sound like one unless there were other forces at work in the same vein

It was actually pretty damn good. It was a FakeGod large theme.

[morph the cat]

I kinda think ActionDan is Town?

Does he really continue to double down on the miller thing as scum when it’s clearly rubbing people the wrong way and worsening his already vulnerable position?

[morph the cat]

as both alignments before

Sufficient then. Thanks.

[morph the cat]

Spiff townlean just fell off the mountain and hit every branch of the treeline on the way down.

[morph the cat]

anyone outside the hood and not exceedingly bored right now is scum

Why did you feel town would be bored by the curtain parting on the dethy?

There was a small moment between "suck it guys, all the cool kids are solving in the hood now" and "oh, its a dethy!" where I kinda vibed with that Dann post.

I actually typed out a "It sure feels nice to spectate a game" post, before deleting it.

I'm actually kinda enjoying being on the outside and watching the other outside reactions for once. Being a participant-observer is a blessing and a curse.

[morph the cat]

The past 10 pages have massively accelerated the state of the game but in a pro-town overall way IMO.

[morph the cat]

Your confidence in Actiondan being town feels out of place. And you are approaching your read on them in a way I find unnatural.

See our hydra's super fancy special custom title.

[morph the cat]

Yours!

[morph the cat]

@morph that both sounds like a chore and would not tell you anything meaningful about my alignment

sorry to be obstinate but also not sorry

I'm not sure what post you're referencing here.

you asked me to give another game where I was demotivated by mech

none are coming to mind right now but I'm fairly positive I've expressed similar emotions as both alignments before

but I don't feel like digging through 50 games

I thought you were saying "towntelling" would be a chore, and that didn't compute at all.

If you don't have one on the tip of your tongue, that's fine.

For perspective, that info hitting the thread was like someone pouring a bunch more puzzle pieces onto the table to both of us. Data is exciting! Lots of data at once is thrilling!

[morph the cat]

As far as I'm concerned {Crabs, Marci, Dunn, Luke} are off limits until you can show me the guilty.

[morph the cat]

As far as I'm concerned {Crabs, Marci, Dunn, Luke} are off limits until you can show me the guilty.

sync'd

[morph the cat]

Talk to me about Klick, because I’m still unimpressed by that ISO.

agree, but there's a whole thread we can't see. 2nd hand data is still data.

[morph the cat]

Don't worry, spiff, if 3p was you vs pooky, I'd vote the bear thrice.

[morph the cat]

Hermit Crab, without that, we'd be comparing note with you on just how unimpressive. :/

Is Klick your least town read of the dethy?

[morph the cat]

Morph what do you think of Ydrasse?

We think so far there's a dearth of skitter.

What do you think of Ydra?

[morph the cat]

we need to vote the people we want to kill instead of

talking in circles

If this is your impression of the game state, I'm done being sarcastic or snarky about it, you're just completely checked out of the thread and that's not really helpful and makes me think you're doing it because you're Mafia.

[morph the cat]

if you really think i'm that unhelpful because I want to get actual wagons going and pressure people rather than talk about your townread on random person over there in a 22 player game with each other person in the game then i can shut up and let you cook and lets see what the results are buddy but so far your reads r p bad lol

Other head is tagging in. Who are you really really for reals scumreading?

Also, who are you and what did you do with Pooky?

[morph the cat]

also, which of our reads do you disagree with, and why?

[morph the cat]

h-hey... morph... can i ask you a question uwu

Yes!

[morph the cat]

this game is less than 24 hours in

some people haven't posted

you're on track to hit 200 posts b4 we get to 24 hours

so when I say I am bored of you repeating the same nonsense over and over again I mean its bad for thread health.

I asked you to commit to an actual push so we can get somewhere instead of listening to you wax poetic about how you sound.

this is the same issue you had in Touhou where you spent pretty much all of day one talking and almost none of it pushing anything useful.

Touhou? WHAT?

[morph the cat]

also, which of our reads do you disagree with, and why?

who have you actually pushed to kill today?

so far all I see is you whining about someone vigging me and not much of a push to kill anyone else

so I know your lone scumread is wrong because I know my own role.

As you've noted it's 24 hours in and we have players who haven't even posted. Most games, we're way beyond 24 hours before we put down a first vote.

So tell me about your reads? Who are you scumreading and why?

[morph the cat]

h-hey... morph... can i ask you a question uwu

Yes!

uwu what do you think of the lower count posters so far...

excluding brian skies since your slot already talked a bit about him?

At the moment there's a fair distance between the over 40 posts and under 20 posts. That's about where I'd draw the lower post counts line. Klick and people with fewer posts. Of that group, I'd strongly, strongly object to voting Oblivion right now.

And the two cyphers who haven't posted at all, either here or in their hood according to spiffeh. I have no opinion about them, but the more other players move up in our reads the bigger the hill they'd have to climb to get into our townreads when they do show up.

[morph the cat]

i think sunflower is mafia because I think his posting is made for an audience and not made to move the game state foward

I don't disagree.

I think it's been 2022 since we last played. maybe really early 2023. Your play here is really confusing to me.

[morph the cat]

Inside or outside the deAAAthy, Pooks?

[morph the cat]

I'm not saying we have to kill someone immediately

lets at least camp out in front of their house with torches and threaten to show them a good time or something

<3

[morph the cat]

At the moment there's a fair distance between the over 40 posts and under 20 posts. That's about where I'd draw the lower post counts line. Klick and people with fewer posts. Of that group, I'd strongly,

strongly object to voting Oblivion right now.

see this is the thing im so nervous to ask...

like idont get it...

i dont see anything special there....

is there any reasonings you got?

I see town thought process there. I liked its approach to firebagel. I feel like its alignment will become more and more clear with more posting. I want to know its thoughts about the revealed mechanics an player reactions.

[morph the cat]

VOTE: Klick

[morph the cat]

Such timing!

[morph the cat]

Anyway, what metrics are being used to read Pooky?
Because I don't really see Pooky being scum here, at least for now.

-Herr Mitt

We're happy enough now. It wasn't a read. It was irritation and frustration. Which was mutual, as it happens.

[morph the cat]

Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.

Word. I just spent like two hours reading to get caught up.

I have some concerns about the setup and how everyone is just accepting that a hood is set up a particular way, given that this game is literally called "shell game" and the mod clearly knows what that is.

Well, a deAAAthy is in and of itself, a shell game, of sorts. Hence the thematic. I'm sure the other hood has a different sort of fuckery ready for us.

[morph the cat]

it is going to try and go understand what Dethy means

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Dethy

[morph the cat]

@5 person hood, can ideally two of you independently ask the mod if your sanity flips on death, and report back?

[morph the cat]

The scum in the deathy has to play a shell game where they have to pick a faked alignment, and stick to it. While constantly trying NOT to be narrowed down into a 1v1 vs whoever actually has their assigned sanity.

This plays out like the mafia in the deathy is going for a shell game, they want to last as long as possible with misdireciton and ambiguity. The more sleights of hand and "mist" you can get away with, the better your long term odds, but in the end you WILL die, so you're playing for maximum chaos agent while alive knowing you cannot endgame.


...Not sure if everyone thinks of mafia in those terms but I do.

[morph the cat]

Essentially....

I've tasted the sweet nectar of a living deAAAthy masonry, and the second chance is just as addicting.

[morph the cat]

Oblivion do you have any questions for us?

[morph the cat]

Well, WE have. Spay was inside of it, I was outside of it but we linked up and had a romp of an adventure along with her three bestest friends.

[morph the cat]

Nobody gonna grab that eh? Then me.

[morph the cat]

Essentially....

I've tasted the sweet nectar of a living deAAAthy masonry, and the second chance is just as addicting.

It does tend to hasten the dethy's end though.

[morph the cat]

Oblivion do you have any questions for us?

It is very interested in picking your brain, yes. The issue is it doesn't know where to begin. Can you... hmmm perhaps with a mental modeling check.

Do you agree with Crab's interpretation of you?

Generally, I do. And I think the interpretation is believed to be accurate, which for my purposes is more important than the accuracy itself.

[morph the cat]

My kingdom for an entire Lukewarm written essay on our play.

[morph the cat]

Well, WE have. Spay was inside of it, I was outside of it but we linked up and had a romp of an adventure along with her three bestest friends.

two best friends and a towel.

[morph the cat]

i tr loke i think

Welcome to 25 pages ago!

[morph the cat]

I just wish his thumb was better, because getting strips months apart is no fun, story is dragged out.

[morph the cat]

The scum in the deathy has to play a shell game where they have to pick a faked alignment, and stick to it. While constantly trying NOT to be narrowed down into a 1v1 vs whoever actually has their assigned sanity.

This plays out like the mafia in the deathy is going for a shell game, they want to last as long as possible with misdireciton and ambiguity. The more sleights of hand and "mist" you can get away with, the better your long term odds, but in the end you WILL die, so you're playing for maximum chaos agent while alive knowing you cannot endgame.

I dunno, playing a game you're doomed to lose in spite of your misdirection sounds like the opposite of a shell game to me.

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0428.html

Yeah I can't resist the chance to link to Order of the Stick, fite me.

Doomed to die does not equate to doomed to lose. Especially as the scum in an embedded dethy.

[morph the cat]

Sure, no problemo. Sync'd or off the cuff?

[morph the cat]

Town reads....

Marci, because this is just NOT how Marciscum handles the entire unraveling of this death info the main thread, ever.

Crabs, massive mindmeld.

Luke, see luke's recent post where he correctly lays out how he got shuffled and uno-reverse-carded.



Scumread, klick and sunflower. Due to the Deathy, this is an either-or scenario but we don't really think it's outside those two anyways.Klick is more my take, Sunflower is more Spay's take, we're evaluating both but currently voting Klick between the two.

[morph the cat]

For me, Marci, Hermit Crab and Luke are the top three townreads.

Marci because she was so visibly uncomfortable and confused by her role/neighborhood and very suspicious of the hood until things began to click for her both within the hood and externally, in the game thread. I could see the gears turning (and grinding) in her posts. Everything about the way she revealed what was going on just built onto that foundation in a very natural and unstructured way. I also think that scum Marci would want to give us much more of a wide berth than she has.

Hermit Crab as a hidden hydra wouldn't go out of their way to support us as they have. There would be no need and we wouldn't think twice about a more cautious approach from an unknown quantity. And we're enough of a threat as scum that it would be a no-brainer to wait and see what town actually makes of us this game. There's also an incredible amount of mindmeld going on with Hermit Crab which I believe doesn't happen this way if they're scum.

Luke as town has a POV (that I don't want to discuss in detail because it's filed under competitive advantage) that we feel confident in reading when we see it. I interacted with him and pushed back at him long enough for us both to feel confident about that POV being present.

If I were pushing outside Marci's neighborhood, I'd be voting Spiffeh at the moment for this post. We discussed whether to vote in the dethy or outside of it before putting our Klick vote down. The deciding factor was the dethy players' preferences for cleaning their hood.

[morph the cat]

We're around. Did you have other queries?

[morph the cat]

For me, Marci, Hermit Crab and Luke are the top three townreads.

Marci because she was so visibly uncomfortable and confused by her role/neighborhood and very suspicious of the hood until things began to click for her both within the hood and externally, in the game thread. I could see the gears turning (and grinding) in her posts. Everything about the way she revealed what was going on just built onto that foundation in a very natural and unstructured way. I also think that scum Marci would want to give us much more of a wide berth than she has.

Hermit Crab as a hidden hydra wouldn't go out of their way to support us as they have. There would be no need and we wouldn't think twice about a more cautious approach from an unknown quantity. And we're enough of a threat as scum that it would be a no-brainer to wait and see what town actually makes of us this game. There's also an incredible amount of mindmeld going on with Hermit Crab which I believe doesn't happen this way if they're scum.

Luke as town has a POV (that I don't want to discuss in detail because it's filed under competitive advantage) that we feel confident in reading when we see it. I interacted with him and pushed back at him long enough for us both to feel confident about that POV being present.

If I were pushing outside Marci's neighborhood, I'd be voting Spiffeh at the moment for this post. We discussed whether to vote in the dethy or outside of it before putting our Klick vote down. The deciding factor was the dethy players' preferences for cleaning their hood.

Sync Achieved indeed.

What are your thoughts on Dunnstraal?

I think Dunnstral's been scumhunting and pushing people pretty hard once there was more to sink his teeth into. My read had gone leantown before then but his reaction to Spiffeh re ActionDan made a pretty big positive impression.