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My plans to leave the dance early before Spay could get out a post are dashed, but I won the moral victory of folding a toddler's Disney Princess socks.-
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hmmIn post 25, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 21, morph the cat wrote: Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.
nah just straight up ascetic no joke
I'll start a cult later but I have to claim ascetic now cuz optimal play etc-
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I see this hydra got a different role PM per head.In post 26, Shello and Goodbye wrote: no one is allowed to push or suspect me until skitter is back btw - ydra-
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In post 25, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 21, morph the cat wrote: Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.
nah just straight up ascetic no joke
I'll start a cult later but I have to claim ascetic now cuz optimal play etc
Step right up, be the next hero-vig if you're out there~In post 18, morph the cat wrote: Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?
Don't let yourself get shown up by a literal wolf girl.-
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VOTE: STD only because I can't vote the mod and you share a household, for not telling me about that place in Seattle that serves Earl Grey ice cream and making me discover it via other means.In post 41, Save The Dragons wrote:
With my bodyIn post 32, Firebringer wrote:
did u bribe ur husband to get a scum pmIn post 16, Save The Dragons wrote: Hiiii-
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I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.In post 55, Firebringer wrote: libertarian utopia
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Pooky. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Woofbringer. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or sheep votes.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.-
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I see two problems with this so far.In post 63, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I'll start;
Strong Townreads: Firebringer
Townreads: Save the Dragons, Shello and Goodbye, PenguinPower
Townleans:
Null: Everyone Else
Scumleans:
Scum: Firebagel, Morph The Cat, Sunflower
Strong Scumread:
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Noted, thanks, but not where the problems lie.
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Your posts are landing kinda flat.In post 85, Dunnstral wrote:
I'm not sure how you can say this based on what I have posted so far.In post 83, morph the cat wrote: I'm with the third best fire on that one, actually.
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Your meta self-read is also noted!In post 88, Dunnstral wrote:
That does not sound out of character for me as town early.In post 87, morph the cat wrote:
Your posts are landing kinda flat.In post 85, Dunnstral wrote:
I'm not sure how you can say this based on what I have posted so far.In post 83, morph the cat wrote: I'm with the third best fire on that one, actually.
I have tonal whiplash.-
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Eyebrows raised, pinky twirled, chamomile served, tell me over tea.In post 93, Dunnstral wrote: I am leaning towards believing that Pooky is a town ascetic-
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*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!In post 94, morph the cat wrote: I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.
Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.
Grrrrrrr.-
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In post 96, morph the cat wrote: And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.Spoiler: Wherein Cabd Waxes Poetic about his theories of the evolution of multi-game lasting hydrae-
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Oh and the bagel gets an official hives badge for re-entering what is very clearly a rapidly expiring RVS phase, after having already posted their opener.-
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Fluffy flavor banter.
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What has snagged your attention so far?In post 109, Sunflower wrote:In post 103, morph the cat wrote:In post 96, morph the cat wrote: And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.Spoiler: Wherein Cabd Waxes Poetic about his theories of the evolution of multi-game lasting hydraeSpoiler:
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Yeah the hosting is fucked up somehow.
Bork has nightmares about it apparently.-
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You asked Mom queries. Not me. She managed to escape insomnia Island so you'll get it tomorrow.In post 137, Lukewarm wrote:
dad, I asked a questionIn post 135, morph the cat wrote: Hi "I'm a miller", I'm Dad.-
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Can you explain what this means?In post 168, Klick wrote:PookyTheMagicalBear
Oblivion
ActionDan
Firebagel
Brian Skies
Spiffeh
morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Firebringer
Dunnstral
Gypyx
marcistar
Save The Dragons
Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)
Sunflower (JupiterXV & fireisredsir)
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Hermit Crab
Cat Scratch Fever
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How active is your hood, Dan? Any thoughts about your other neighbors?In post 205, ActionDan wrote:
People who engage in gimmicks like that place a high priority on RVS banter to form early reads. If they do not post while the iron is hot, the utility disappears as well.In post 119, Dunnstral wrote:
OK. Why is not posting for a page scummy?In post 107, ActionDan wrote:
Sunflower is because of forces outside the main thread. I will not explain that at this time, but may before the day is through.In post 92, Dunnstral wrote: My thoughts so far:
Sunflower in post 13 struck me the wrong way as I wasn't expecting that post from fireisredsir, and then they had a lot of filler type posts. They then call me towny and I'm not sure what they are basing that off of either with the 4 posts I had before.
ActionDan's post 86 rubs me the wrong way because I don't agree and don't know how they reached their conclusions. Perhaps they can explain.
Firebagel was because as an alt that may very well only exist for the purpose of stealing Firebringer's scum claiming gimmick, it hadn't posted for a page.
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I see our neighborhood has been outed. At first glance this worry from Maristar looks planned and manufactured. And with the goodfellas award I am discarding this as an oversensitive townie
VOTE: Maristar
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I'm a little more concerned about another player in this game who sports the goodfellas banner from Mafia Invictus.-
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It was more than one data point, and it was one prong of our concerns last night.In post 221, Sunflower wrote:
1. morph was using one data point to make a bad read ("fire being fluffy = scum copying jupiter's style in order to cover for him" is just not good in a lot of ways) and i expect better of them particularly when they have access to a second data point that would make the read not make sense and they ignored it. by "interesting" i meant bad. i thought it was scummy at first but eh maybe not. dunn has also played with me a decent amount but his read didn't bother me, maybe because it sounded more gutIn post 149, Spiffeh wrote: 1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
2. don't wanna
Haven't seen cabd around this morning, and I'm still catching up.
PSA: I'm probably going to be a little slow-witted over the next couple of days. I seem to be in recovery mode now, from Covid.
Luke, I saw your question, and I'll get to it when I'm caught up. The short answer is, we wanted to play a couple cards close to our vest last night. Right now, not caught up, I'm not sure if that will still be the case.-
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My concerns were wrt to disagreements with the list, not whether it was expectable.In post 129, Lukewarm wrote:
I am interested in your answer.In post 81, morph the cat wrote:Noted, thanks, but not where the problems lie.
fwiw, every name on this list seems to be approximately where I would expect it to be coming from pooky at the moment I hit it lol
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I think Firebringer was the first to say something about a PT last night.
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Your answer kinda answers your question. Why are you so curious about this?In post 287, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like answering this question stops my line of questioning from being useful to me, but I pinky promise to respond to this after.
I kind of just want to know which two names did you object to, and why
You're voting Action Dan, at least in part over his reaction to marci's neighborhood related posts. Do you expect him to know her towngame well enough not to have that reaction?In post 288, Lukewarm wrote: The more I think about how Marci handled the hoods, the more I want to just town bin her for the rest of the game.-
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So, Marci has come a loooong way since mountain dew era. But this player list is a BIG gathering, and a lot of us are playing with claws out from the get-go. So I'm going to concur, but note that it's not impossible to pass this test as scum-her, just less likely than the alternative that she's town and expects to be found eventually.In post 200, Shello and Goodbye wrote:In post 175, marcistar wrote: If it helps
Theres a like ..5..? Idk how to count! Person hood and we got info that suggests scums in the hood.
I think its sus of action to say "0 or 1 scum in the hood" since i dont get why ceph would give that info if there wasnt scum in the hood?
I think hes scum trying to push the assumption of no scum in hood so he can get whateber that buff is.
i’m admittedly unused to this from marci (this being like… i guess not being pseudo trolly if not all out) but it matches what i think she could post as townIn post 177, marcistar wrote: Really! Lets all claim our hoods! i am so fucking scared of mine what if theres multiple scum i know im an easy pocket..
like it seems out of her wheelhouse to be a wolf and go hi guys. Neighborhoods? to me lol-
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This doesn't answer my question. Or I'm being obtuse.In post 305, Lukewarm wrote:
I actually planned on waiting for the answer to 232 before voting, but then a wagon formed, and I wanted to feel includedIn post 294, morph the cat wrote: You're voting Action Dan, at least in part over his reaction to marci's neighborhood related posts. Do you expect him to know her towngame well enough not to have that reaction?-
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fwiw I like that you picked up some of the stuff that caused my raised hairs last night. There was one post fireisred made before I went to bed that calmed my concerns somewhat. at least for now.In post 310, Spiffeh wrote: I’m saying this now so no one can steal it from me before I can get back to my computer and act like they thought of it first:
I’m not townreading Shello and Goodbye
Or Lukewarm
Or Pooky (this one’s not that special)
One might call them “the big three”
Sunflower remains to be seen when I can properly read what I’ve only skimmed but I’m sad no one followed me onto them, I was proud of my page six case-
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In post 264, Dannflor wrote: which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddyIn post 149, Spiffeh wrote: Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!In post 102, Sunflower wrote:
i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting takeIn post 96, morph the cat wrote:
*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!In post 94, morph the cat wrote: I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.
Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.
Grrrrrrr.
I don't like either of the above from SunflowerIn post 116, Sunflower wrote:
actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possibleIn post 112, morph the cat wrote: What has snagged your attention so far?
pooky a little towny
dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising
y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied
if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks
firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn
The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.
The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.
These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.
@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:In post 1520, Eternity Larva wrote: my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.
i also never townread their predecessor.
buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.
i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.
before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort
this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads
these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.
I’m fine with either being eliminated-
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specific?In post 317, Lukewarm wrote:
I am trying to figure out why you ended up responding to that reads list seriously. Like I think that that reads list voiced between 0 to two (MAX) actual reads in in, so seeing you respond to it seriously raised questions.In post 294, morph the cat wrote: Your answer kinda answers your question. Why are you so curious about this?
For reference, Pooky's reads list was:
-The three people pooky bantered with about being/claiming scum on page 1 in the scum pile (15, 17, 20)
-Firebringer in the highest possible town pile, as consistent with the dynamic between the two, where firebringer claims scum, and pooky calls him lock town, and firebringer pretends to be offended that pooky could even consider that a possibility. This played out in this very game before the reads list.
-PenguinPower, who has made 0 posts, in town. Once again, this appears to be a Pooky+PP dynamic, as I am like 90% sure I have seen pooky say basically the same thing as fb's 80.
That leaves the only two that had any chance of having *any* substance behind them being the STD and the Ydra/skitter hydra reads.
I am not familiar with pooky having a dynamic with them like the PP or FB one, so that is where I see the possibility of 0-2 actual reads being expressed here, but overall this just seems like the culmination of his early banter.
So seeing you respond, with specific critiques, made me wonder how you got there.
You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?
Somewhat tangential: we wanted to see players bring their A games last night. I think to some extent that happened, and we're feeling pretty good about it.-
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It's because I told her to dance, just saw maybe what I needed to, thanks.In post 326, Lukewarm wrote:
You had an exact number of name placements you were disagreeing with.In post 324, morph the cat wrote: specific?
I don't know. It seemed unaware of the content of pooky's prior posts in a way that seemed particularly out of character for you. I was worried that it could be that you are scum, and was hoping to get you to voice what lead you to making that post, so I could judge that instead of trying to just guess at how you got there, but it feels like you have been dancing around that question.You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?
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I did!In post 326, Lukewarm wrote:
You had an exact number of name placements you were disagreeing with.In post 324, morph the cat wrote: specific?
Heh!
I don't know. It seemed unaware of the content of pooky's prior posts in a way that seemed particularly out of character for you. I was worried that it could be that you are scum, and was hoping to get you to voice what lead you to making that post, so I could judge that instead of trying to just guess at how you got there, but it feels like you have been dancing around that question.You've put some thought into matching Pooky's list to what was going on during the first few pages. I think you know me as a player about as well as you do Pooky. How does my taking partial exception to Pooky's list fit with your understanding of my playstyle?
Well, I got what I wanted out of this convo, and so did Cabd. Consider your day 3 ticket punched.-
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Yes. Get Skagway'd.In post 332, Lukewarm wrote:
I feel like I have been bamboozled in this conversation some howIn post 330, morph the cat wrote: Well, I got what I wanted out of this convo, and so did Cabd. Consider your day 3 ticket punched.-
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In post 329, Lukewarm wrote: Not that I think you would be unaware as scum. But that the content might not influence the directions you take as much.
So, the "post" seemed unaware. Not necessarily that "you" seemed unaware.
fwiw I filter Pooky's early banter and his readslists separately. At that point in the game I had 3 and a half nascent reads, none of which (with the exception of firebringer (the .5)) made it to Pooky's list.-
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spayhalf (me) is a little wary about Dannflor atm. I feel like he's made a lot of hay out of Dan's posts, given the posts.In post 335, Klick wrote: morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet-
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Neuter-half saaaaaaayz:In post 335, Klick wrote: morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet
I liked the self-withdraw about playstyle differentials with Luke. Other than that, I have an outstanding post to him about Spiff-scum stylistic notes that I'm waiting to hear back on before declaring more detailed read data there.-
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I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?In post 335, Klick wrote: morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet-
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How is this impacting your Dan read?In post 336, Dannflor wrote:
i will take that into accountIn post 331, Klick wrote: I find ActionDan is quite first-layer regardless of alignment-
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So you're not looking back through this lens but will look through it going forward?In post 346, Dannflor wrote:
it doesn't really matter right now, but I'll consider it as Dan continues to postIn post 342, morph the cat wrote:
How is this impacting your Dan read?In post 336, Dannflor wrote:
i will take that into accountIn post 331, Klick wrote: I find ActionDan is quite first-layer regardless of alignment
Why is that?-
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Our best guess is that the strikethroughs mean you've found them town enough for now, and the bolds are your scumreads/concerns.In post 353, Klick wrote:
I will answerIn post 339, morph the cat wrote:
I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?In post 335, Klick wrote: morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet
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NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.-
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Can you explain why Brian Skies is a strikethru?In post 371, Klick wrote:
That's basically accurateIn post 356, morph the cat wrote:
Our best guess is that the strikethroughs mean you've found them town enough for now, and the bolds are your scumreads/concerns.In post 353, Klick wrote:
I will answerIn post 339, morph the cat wrote:
I may have missed it if you answered my question. I'm curious about the meaning of your tags in your reads list. what do strikethroughs and bolding denote?In post 335, Klick wrote: morph, do either of you have an opinion on Dannflor yet
Could I ask what your best guess is first?
I find value in it being ambiguous. I like to experiment with different methods of expressing my thoughts on the game. I also enjoy extracting information out of how people engage with different levels of ambiguity vs straightforwardness. I often find that some people's assumptions about things like that are pretty closely attached to alignment.
I'll occasionally shift how willing I am to highlight someone in one direction or another just to try it out and see what will happen-
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Interesting. You think we are both town reading you?In post 392, Spiffeh wrote: That's funny because you're the one(s) I was talking about!-
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I kinda wondered! You mentioned Kemusan to Gypyx. I've been thinking about that game as well (and my thoughts in that game about WH13) wrt what tends to form my reads on you.In post 392, Spiffeh wrote: That's funny because you're the one(s) I was talking about!
And I'm wondering how well you've reverse-engineered all that.-
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"they" being Spiffy?
I'm not very moved past 55-45 or so. I'll note that I was koishi in the above example, and spiff has great results pushing me while staying in the town block as groupscum in that game. The lean is that I'm not sure he does that then immediately goes goading me again In this one, about my read of him.
But like he said, he's not a shitty player and he's not outside any ranges at the moment.-
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