In post 175, Ramcius wrote: In post 173, Guillotina wrote: In post 157, Ramcius wrote: In post 155, Jake The Wolfie wrote: In post 154, Ramcius wrote:How to find scum, if I can't trust anything other players say without any hard proof?
Look beyond whether or not they're lying, and ask why they did what they did. Is it to further a pro-town agenda, or does it further a pro-scum agenda?
Know an easy way to determine when it's pro-town and when it's pro-scum? Because people use "town has no reason to lie" approach for a reason - determining motivation is hard, especially when dealing with edgelords who think they are smartest cookie in the room and try to lie just because they can
Town can lie.
Scum HAVE to lie.
Town's collective job is to find out the motive of the lie to determine if such could come from town or mafia.
Scum's collective job is to lie to appear town and get town misyeeted.
In law enforcement cops lie to get truths from suspects out. Parents lie to catch their misbehaving children in their lies. Wives lie to trap and catch their cheating husbands (and viceversa) and there are many scenarios from real life.
The same applies in a game of deduction like this one.
If you think that liars should get killed then i will tell you this, my best scum games were when i truth wolf. (The act of always telling the truth as scum). The best way to “lie” in a game of lies is by not lying.
I simply love how people intentionally misinterpret things just to say something obvious to look smarter.
You know, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to do it.
Who says that you must lie as a scum?
You don't, but a lot of them do, so yeeting liars is an easy way to deal with scum who likes to lie. It's an easy to understand and use scumhunting technique that was used for decades, but if you think that this method is bad or outdated, we'll gladly listen to you better and more optimal scumhunting techniques
Bonus points to you for pretending to understand how logic works.
There is no need for your condescending tone here, we are not playing mafia, you need not to publish scummy posts.
By being scum and having to show town why you are one of them, you are already lying.
So yes, you have to lie as scum by principle and you have to tell the truth as town by principle in a perfect world. Luckily (or unluckily, depending on the perspective) the world is not perfect and there are people with different personalities, behavior traits, culture. biases etc
There are town players who lie to get to the truth and backfire on them, there are those who lie to get truths out and work!
There are town who are always truthful and get death tunneled for it because they are obvtown too.
You can't be 100% truthful as town in a game of lies specially in games with Power Roles because you have to fool Mafia into believing that you are not the cop or the doctor.
I've seen town players lying in the game to pocket wolves and backstab them at EoD.
If you yeet a town for lying without looking beyond the purpose of a lie, you are as much anti-town as those that lie without purpose while being town.