ban vocaroos

[Jake The Wolfie]

images shouldn't be restricted if they are embed and dont have cryptography/are used to crumb imo.

Me and the bois becoming steganographers to meme on the game

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anyone want to play a blindfolded marathon game some time

This seems like a great idea in theory

[Jake The Wolfie]

brb gonna become a voice actor to sound more townie so people will stop throwing axes at me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why sitewide, for no one to use, ever again?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Because I don't like it.

Well I don't like Jesters. That doesn't mean we ought to ban them from this and every other mafia site.

If we're banning it from Normals it should just be banned sitewide since I don't see what possible non-normal mechanic you could add that would justify allowing them in games while also alienating deaf/mute/shy/ESOL people.

Some games just aren't people's type. all mafia hosts are not required to host a game that 100% of all players could feasibly enjoy.

Nobody has given a good reason for allowing it in games other than "for fun", but when has mafia ever been about fun? If I wanted to have fun I'd play a different game.

We don't need to give a good reason to allow it in games. The proper position to take is to do nothing. The burden of proof is on those who claim that something should be done, rather than nothing being done.
Even if we had no arguments whatsoever as to why they should stay, that doesn't mean the proper course of action is to remove them, the proper course of action is to do nothing regarding them.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well I don't like Jesters. That doesn't mean we ought to ban them from this and every other mafia site.

That's a game mechanic, it's different. When you join a theme game you are trusting that the mod will host the game with rules you like. If a mod is known for/makes it known there are bastardish roles you don't like, you can just not join the game. Vocaroo isn't a game mechanic unless you make it one. See the difference?

Even if Jester is a game mechanic, that doesn't change the fact that I don't like it. Tomatoes actually being a fruit doesn't make me any more inclined to eat it like an apple, because I don't like Tomatoes (with the exception of Ketchup ).

Some games just aren't people's type. all mafia hosts are not required to host a game that 100% of all players could feasibly enjoy.

Agree. However, if they explicitly create/allow a mechanic that you literally can't comply with through no fault of your own and not being told beforehand, that's a problem. If someone wants to host a game completely through zoom that's fine. That's a different form of mafia, I gotcha. But if I join a game and suddenly players are joining a zoom call together and the mod allows it, that's a problem.

You can replace out of the game. It's not like mith himself will descend from MafiaScum heaven to delete your account if you replace out of a game that you no longer want to play. Even if that were an issue, we could just.. make a rule stating that game mods have to state whether they will allow it in their game or not.

We don't need to give a good reason to allow it in games. The proper position to take is to do nothing. The burden of proof is on those who claim that something should be done, rather than nothing being done.
Even if we had no arguments whatsoever as to why they should stay, that doesn't mean the proper course of action is to remove them, the proper course of action is to do nothing regarding them.

Disagree. If no course of action is done, then vocarooing is implicitly allowed. So mods who don't want it in the game would have to explicitly ban it, unless they were using it as a mechanic. This leads to two scenarios: either all mods explicitly bad vocarooing, in which case it's no different than an implicit ban, or mod's don't explicitly ban it and any given game I'm at risk of a vocaroo message suddenly being thrust upon me and becoming an integral part of a game forcing me to drop it. I hope you can see how that's different from the Jester scenario above.

Do you.. disagree with the burden of proof? If yes, I'd like to sell you some healing crystals which will cure any disease if you rub it on your belly. Stabbing it into your belly will cure them faster.

If a moderator doesn't want their players to call each other dimwits, then they should explicitly say so. It is the moderator's fault that they don't lay out what they don't want players to do. Now, there are things that it would be unreasonable for a mod to lay out each and every time they host a game what they will and won't allow before a game (See: Site Rules, and common game rules), but this is not one of those things.

If all moderators explicitly banned players calling each other dimwits, then we would probably make it a site-wide rule.

Of course it's different from the jester scenario. I was comparing you not liking one thing (vocaroos) not being a reason to ban something to me not liking something not being a reason to ban something.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am open to banning stuff.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Cryptography is generally banned from games. Anyone who is found out to have used cryptography would probably recieve either a warning or a ban from the actual staff members.

[Jake The Wolfie]

we could just.. make a rule stating that game mods have to state whether they will allow it in their game or not.

that sounds like the best solution

Now, could you tell me why we should implement this?

[Jake The Wolfie]

data can be embedded in audio signals, therefore, malicious actors can use audio signals as a medium to exchange information in a way that is inaccessible by other players

How’s this work exactly?

I try to keep this as short and concise as possible.

The avg human speech is between 85hz - 255hz, so you encode your hidden data to an audio signal with a different frequency (i.e > 5000hz), then combine it with your recorded voice audio.

To recover the hidden data, fourier transform the combined audio signal to convert to its frequencies, filter out the low frequencies (< 255hz), or, depending on how noisy the signal is, can also use a band pass filter to only extract the frequencies around 5k hz. Then, apply inverse fourier transform to convert back to an signal with only the encoded hidden data. Decode it to get back original data.

There are many tools that convert data to audio, and those that filter audio by frequencies.

-which is good and all, but it's also generally banned from most mafia games.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Then it should be policy to post anything that can't be directly slapped onto MS onto a site which doesn't allow the users to change the data itself, only delete it. If a player encrypts something and then later deletes the encrypted video, they will automatically be presumed guilty.