Mafia Rule Updates Discussion Thread

[TemporalLich]

can we get a ruling on whether V/LA declarations are outside of the game or not? (probably better for site health if it is outside of the game)

edit: this post used to say OGI, but V/LA declarations themselves don't provide an undue influence, speculating on them does

[TemporalLich]

Why would they be

V/LA is outside the confines of Mafia game mechanics, and most V/LAs have reasons that are outside of the game.

Speculating on V/LAs should be considered OGI.

[TemporalLich]

yeah I edited the post because I misspoke

[TemporalLich]

I don't think it's about referencing things outside the game as data. I think it's about using things outside the game as leverage.

yeah, saying someone repped out or went V/LA is the former and not undue influence, speculating on replacements or V/LA is angleshooting (but should be explicitly against the rules) and a use of OGI.

note to self: OGI means Outside of Game

Influence

, don't forget the third letter.

[TemporalLich]

also note: the new rules state that replacements in and of itself are OGI

Replacements are an unavoidable out-of-game influence.

To minimize the impact of replacements on game integrity, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly consider or publicly announce a choice to replace out. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced. Once you have requested to replace out, you are no longer a player in that game. More information on this rule can be found here.

[TemporalLich]

147 is unclear if the discussion thread is the game thread

Grand Idea Deflated Bubble was a pretty unusual Grand Idea.

The Discussion Thread was a thread in Mafia Discussion that allowed discussion of the game while it was still ongoing. (that is why it was called Deflated Bubble, as the game's ongoing discussion "bubble" was deflated)

So the answer to your question was no, but the discussion thread was public anyway. I'd consider it a "PT code word" and imo I think those should be allowed as those are just a form of crumbing.

This is an example of a rule break that requires listmod approval.

[TemporalLich]

Are UPicks and CYS games now inherently bastard? just wanna make sure I'm reading the rules right (more specifically Moderator Rule 16)

[TemporalLich]

I don’t know what CYS means, but yes, UPicks are inherently bastard and technically should have been announced as such for a while now.

If I'm remembering correctly, a CYS (Choose Your Side, I think) game involves sending in picks on alignment preference.

For example, you can send in the pick {Town, Scum, Third Party}, meaning you'd prefer being Town but would rather be Scum than Third Party.

It's a non-random (if the mod creates a setup UPick-style) or semi-random (if the game has a predetermined setup) way of generating a setup.

[TemporalLich]

Currently under Mini Theme queues, uPicks have "procedurally bastard dynamics" - which lumps it into the same category as

games where the moderator can outright rig the game

.

A uPick without the possibility of bastard roles would be marked no for "mechanically bastard roles or mechanics" but that still means a role that enables direct mod influence like Moderator 1-shot Factional Kill Enabler would be able to exist.

Grand Idea is of course both mechanically and procedurally bastard for reasons anyone who knows what Grand Idea is should know.

[TemporalLich]

The bastardy condition against non-randomness used to be

un-divulged

non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, which means that uPicks weren't bastard as the non-randomness was known in signups.