Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

hi python, can you explain your townreads on infinity and std
can you also walk me through your biancospino scumread i couldn't understand

[humaneatingmonkey]

you look almost town except i couldn't quite agree with a lot of your reads, so you could be just very good scum! what's your mafia experience

[humaneatingmonkey]

comprehension. can you explain it in some other way? you voted him on #106 so I'm mainly interested in what inspired the vote

[humaneatingmonkey]

comprehension. can you explain it in some other way? you voted him on #106 so I'm mainly interested in what inspired the vote

The 106 vote was like 50% just gut telling us "somethings up", it's only after 113 that it really became a solidified scumread

Basically we think there's a difference between "No you're wrong" and "No you're wrong + vote" in 101 since while the first implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure but can see how town could come to that conclusion

the second implies

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• bianco doesn't think he thinks the wagon is pure and doesn't see how town could come to that conclusion

which doesn't seem like a real thought town has and instead seems better explained with the informed mindset of

• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• yep, it's pocketing time

after 113

sorry im even more confused because of the double negative

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Aureal

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe I should stop monologuing

you should. you look like you're avoiding to play this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Camel

If STD is sizable scum to you why are you still voting HEM for something the moderator posted

like mentioning SK plus HEMs replace in or whatever

tweety are you trying to pocket me

[humaneatingmonkey]

i want to decide that python is town but their progression on bianco either felt like town tunneling and confbiasing or scum trying to justify their push by developing their position on bianco

their withdrawal was not consistent with how confident i thought they would be. reads more like scum whose fire was put out because nobody else was buying their push.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ccs is probably town

why

[humaneatingmonkey]

ccs is probably town

why

Why not

1. she voted for you initially in rvs, and in my recollection she has not elaborated her read on you nor was it ever obvious that she was trying to sort you. and then later she says you had a sizable chance of being scum?
2. she votes for my slot insinuating that alianna's mention of a serial killer after my replace in. she's apparently confident enough of this read to park it. it's a very convenient way to avoid dealing with the game as scum and bank your vote on a modpost.

these are just some of the questionable stuff for me. i can also entertain that she could just be town, but i haven't seen anything to make me say this slot is town yet. I'm interested in your town case.

[humaneatingmonkey]

1. she voted for you initially in rvs, and in my recollection she has not elaborated her read on you nor was it ever obvious that she was trying to sort you. and then later she says you had a sizable chance of being scum?
2. she votes for my slot insinuating that alianna's mention of a serial killer after my replace in. she's apparently confident enough of this read to park it. it's a very convenient way to avoid dealing with the game as scum and bank your vote on a modpost.

i elaborated on the first part

also im literally not parked on your slot, i switched to aureal

yes i saw your note about std being fickle with their voting. i just don't believe that you believe it because you then switched your vote on me just because your scumread didn't care?

it also wasn't until you were called out on it that you pivoted to the slot (aureal) your other scumread is voting. (me)

it makes me hard to think there's an actual train of thought when there isn't consistency in how you play. especially because i think the votes are opportunistic. but i do understand that you can just be like this as a person

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't rate this Aureal wagon.

VOTE: Aureal

Why'd you kick it off?

well, rate it then. it's happening.

i don't think aureal should be allowed the play the way she's trying to play right now and if she wants to remain in the game she needs to towntell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I have called you out on this before, in other games, unless I am going crazy.

Usually involving me lol.

It's the "respectfully" that's pinging us I think

lmao

is drew usually disrespectful

[humaneatingmonkey]

how about we eliminate Aureal right now and treat it as a bonus day zero flip

[humaneatingmonkey]

heip what do you think of my iso

and yes im just asking that to get you to look at my posts that explain my vote

[humaneatingmonkey]

well, rate it then. it's happening.

i don't think aureal should be allowed the play the way she's trying to play right now and if she wants to remain in the game she needs to towntell.

2/10.
What's the difference between Aureal and Not_Mafia?

excuse me are you townreading aureal or scumreading any of the wagon?

[humaneatingmonkey]

right now there isnt any difference and id like to change that

[humaneatingmonkey]

i won't believe any vengeful claims. this is an obvious softclaim, so i doubt she really wanted to die. vengefuls would just go all out.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can see aureal and unowen as aligned

it's kinda weird for unowen to be shitting on the wagon without as much as a read on aureal

[humaneatingmonkey]

like you're obviously putting up the narrative that you wanted to be seen as scummy and to attract attention, but just now you don't seem too uninterested in shaking off your wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

You aren't understanding what's going on at all

enlighten me

[humaneatingmonkey]

no it was not hard to figure out. that's why when you implied that you did, it was notable

[humaneatingmonkey]

I had a dream that Tweet showed up and said "when someone is obviously and intentionally drawing attention by playing very differently than what is expected, there's probably a reason for it, and we should extend trust there."

Dream Tweet is very wise.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay, so you don't want to be seen scummy. maybe you just wanted to draw attention. you have attention. what was it for?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Slightly scumlean to neutral zone if I'm going with the vibes.

that's interesting why do you think so

[humaneatingmonkey]

meta-read me is a bad idea

it's not a metaread. i haven't metaread you. you were playing as if you hated the game you're in and scoffing at anyone who throws suspicions on you. you then insinuated that you were playing to draw attention for a purpose and it was so obviously incongruent with this world we're living in. when you had pressure, you immediately cleaned up your act and started explaining yourself. then you started redefining what it was that you were doing.

forgive me if i don't townread this. it felt like you were trying ballsy scumplay because I've been hearing you haven't rolled scum often, then got immediately wagoned and pivoted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

monkey how are you feeling outside of aureal

I'm willing to eliminate anyone, but i would favor css and skygazer
not_mafia is not_mafia and I'm always down for a not_mafia flip
and except python, biancospino, heip

[humaneatingmonkey]

the fuck

[humaneatingmonkey]

how did i wake up to an e-2 wagon
who did this

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Snivy

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNOwen and snivy wagons, let's go

[humaneatingmonkey]

please dont eliminate me

[humaneatingmonkey]

are people really not having town vibes from me or did someone just say that and then everybody's like "yeah there's no town vibes there"

[humaneatingmonkey]

also can people be more specific what their vibes was and why? i don't want to be day 1's elim just because some people said vibes and everybody just lazily nodded along. this is ridiculous.

aureal and ccs is being overlooked today just because of inarticulated vibes and now it's the impetus of my wagon

can we talk through things please thank you

[humaneatingmonkey]

i don't think aureal's the sk. the gameplay isn't sk. i do think it's probably scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's your read on doctor drew

[humaneatingmonkey]

are people really not having town vibes from me or did someone just say that and then everybody's like "yeah there's no town vibes there"

We've somehow managed to nod along every post you've made without ever getting a "yep this is town" vibe from you, idk why other people are voting you

that's a poor reason to vote me, but I'm biased

[humaneatingmonkey]

im not so sure

would you wagon him if i asked you to join me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

why not

[humaneatingmonkey]

i want mafia

i mean doctor drew

[humaneatingmonkey]

do you have an opinion on the snivy posts python quoted, or is it just "i could see these coming from scum"?

I'm actually reconsidering my snivy read right now

[humaneatingmonkey]

the best i can articulate, besides just poe, is that you seem to be latching off of specifics rather than taking a broad view of scumhunting.

this is scum why?

the aureal vote is a bit weird to me given that you could be voting skygazer or std for similar reasons, and i've yet to see a convincing narrative for her to be playing the way she is as scum besides "i don't really feel like playing", which could easily also come from town.

i can be voting skygazer actually

what do you find unconvincing about what I'm saying about her? how do you think a person who rarely rolls scum would react in her position?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i do think std is town in this game. he's different in that i don't think he's been hiding, and has been proactive in reaching out. in my past two games, it was obvious how much he was ducking the game and only engaging when it was tactical for scum!him to do so. he could have switched it up but for day 1 this is town

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes i am searching alternatives to my wagon because i do not want to be eliminated and talking to you, python, and infinity feels like I'm talking to town so I'm just gonna appeal to the three of you until you allow me to wagon people that i want to eliminate

[humaneatingmonkey]

{aureal > unowen, skygazer, doctor drew}

unowen is already a wagon, but hasn't claimed so there's time to build a counterwagon.
if we have time i would probably like to pressure Tweet's slot but i don't have the energy for that right now because that's Flavor Leaf

let me know if you guys are willing to work with me

[humaneatingmonkey]

like who

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sky and Drew feel like such lazy wagons

whats so wrong about that

[humaneatingmonkey]

usesPython are you a hydra

[humaneatingmonkey]

i have to sleep now because i have a long day tomorrow

i don't want to wake up at E-2 again please thank you

[humaneatingmonkey]

counterwagon besides myself

[humaneatingmonkey]

i really have to go now sorry

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm awake for everyone's pleasure but i'm at work

i will hammer unowen if he reaches E-1

[humaneatingmonkey]

unowen you should probably claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

ugh

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh i just read that the deadline has been frozen to 48 hours

if you guys don't mind I'm gonna be entirely absent today then

[humaneatingmonkey]

hi

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Monkey

i'm awake for everyone's pleasure but i'm at work

i will hammer unowen if he reaches E-1

• We're less than two days away from the deadline.
  
• Monkey is the largest wagon.
  
• Owen is the second largest wagon.
  
• Monkey is fine with executing Owen Today.

Why aren't you voting Owen already, Monkey? This would be the natural course of action for anyone in this position.

- we were 12 hours away from deadline
- owen was the largest wagon that i wasn't in
- i can hammer
- I'm fine with executing owen
- i can force owen to claim first

this is the smartest course of action

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's up pops

where's your header

[humaneatingmonkey]

FL what's your impression on the gamestate? is scum camping on my wagon? because I've been talking to infinity, python, and std and all feel like town except drew and owen. bianco's iso also feels like town.

I'm looking at blue here and thinking... does he really think I'm scum for not voting owen?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can relate to wanting to change your gameplay so you're not the center of it every time

[humaneatingmonkey]

alas i am still the center of it

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Blue

oh my god you suck

[humaneatingmonkey]

scum is probably in this list

{aureal, blue, drew, gazer}

there's also probably scum outside it, as the people I'm townreading usually have one scum in them

[humaneatingmonkey]

my towncase on std is pretty confident, although he could have switched it up and someone whose strength is meta can confirm how flexible std can switch from town and mafia with different playstyles

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm reviewing infinity's iso and i find it hard to articulate why i find this townie so maybe I'm wrong about it after all.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i found heip's early posts as towny. then i thought when infinity townread heip and unovted, it was a mindmeld and i felt like their priority was to sort heip and not to pile on his elimination.

but i just noticed that the people on heip wagon moved to aureal before that so

[humaneatingmonkey]

i don't think it's a open-and-shut case that python is town but they're too solvy and unagenda'd that they're definitely not my day 1 elimination

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think i just liked how bianco pushed back on python re: heip and me when python both pushed us for something silly

[humaneatingmonkey]

bianco why are you voting me

[humaneatingmonkey]

drew why are you voting me

[humaneatingmonkey]

owen why are you voting me

[humaneatingmonkey]

i want an aureal wagon as well

we can do a switcharoo right now as there hasn't been any claims yet

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Aureal

[humaneatingmonkey]

python walk me through your aureal townread

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can also go for gazer fwiw but i just have to know why you are townreading aureal

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think of hiw i read aureal's gameplay today?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i know what happens if i push not_mafia
i dont know what would happen if i push aureal but i thought i can make the slot more readable

i think aureal's gameplay is consistent with someone who's annoyed they rolled scum, tried a n_m-style play, immediately got wagoned, and scrambled to defend themselves by saying they were playing like this on purpose

the only problem is im not imagining any reason for them to play like theyre playing earlier and now. vengeful miller would have been a sufficient explanation if she did not try to defend herself earlier. the narrative is inconsistent.

seeing as she isnt a wagon yet despite of this makes me think shes groupscum who's very well avoided by her partners

i did not have town vibes on her defense and she's still not doing anything now

[humaneatingmonkey]

let's open box number VOTE: UNOwen

[humaneatingmonkey]

missed opportunity to say box numbero unowen

[humaneatingmonkey]

numero

i hate playing on hte phone

[humaneatingmonkey]

stop this nonsense STD and just join owen's wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

why

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought it was weird that unowen was defending aureal and rating aureal's wagon low when he doesn't even townread aureal and it didn't feel like scumhunting because there was no curiosity in exploring a very scummy slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNVOTE:

not as confident about this after all

[humaneatingmonkey]

fuck it

VOTE: UNOwen

at this point in time, it's you or i and i choose me

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: heip

[humaneatingmonkey]

wait, am i reading it right

skygazer absorbs kills taken by their target

so skygazer probably targetted uno, and ate the kill that uno took

so how is uno scum because of this?

[humaneatingmonkey]

HEM is town

aww yiss

i dont have to convince everybody im town anymore

[humaneatingmonkey]

thats not what the role pm says though

what

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: UNOwen

claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

i just realized im probably dead tonight so uhm

can you guys give me time to share my thoughts before you flashhammer owen

thanks

[humaneatingmonkey]

no not like now, probably tomorrow after i rest and wake up