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Post #161 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:47 am
Postby T-Bone »
In post 140, Flower wrote:
Klazam's vote on us makes us feel a little better about him given that the vibe we're getting from him is that scum!Klazam would pay enough attention to the game to know there's not enough support to force a Flower lim through given that RCE/yessiree/STD/Drew all townread us, especially when he already somewhat naturally got himself on the Merlyn wagon
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Post #170 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:27 pm
Postby T-Bone »
Anyway Flower kinda slipped all the way on page 2 that they talk with yessiree privately. I assume that means yessiree has the power role between them. As there are no neighbors, I can only come to one conclusion.
I'd prefer to eliminate the PR over the goon but I'll compromise on Flower since Klaz wouldn't shift his vote.
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Post #176 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:56 pm
Postby T-Bone »
It's actually funny because I had thought that yessiree had dropped the PT tell on page 1 post 23 when he made a nonsequiter reference to Klaz's scum games or lack thereof. But the way Flower responds to yessiree and to everyone else they respond to upon their entrance is so different and also says "i have a PT" and it says to me "I have a PT with yessiree". Compare Flower's 25 a response to STD and their entrance, to 27 a response to yessiree. Then in 34 to Merlyn and again in 38 to STD. One of these things is not like the other. There is some get-to-know-you energy in Flower's responses to STD and Merlyn vs I-know-everything-about-you in response to yessiree. No, I'm not referencing to overall familiarity from other games. There is always this feeling out period that players need to do at the start of the game to see where they stand. Flower did not feel out yessiree at all like they did other players. That tells me they did it in their PT already. Flower goes on to feel out Klaz because they are meeting for the first time in this game on page 3. Then when Flower addresses yessiree again in 68 that's gone once again.
There's no sense in me quoting out of context so I will link to where I think it begins and you should read with my comments in mind.
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Post #177 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:57 pm
Postby T-Bone »
In post 175, Merlyn wrote:
just went back and read pg 2, not seeing a slip
I didn't mean to imply that there was a post meant for the scum PT that made its way into this thread. I used the term slip to mean Flower slipped their perspective.
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Post #184 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:16 pm
Postby T-Bone »
Drew might be scum not yessiree. How exciting. Doesn't even engage with the post just says "oh I'm scum" and hammers. You all eliminate Drew/Flower/yessiree and thank me in the post game.
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Post #192 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:25 pm
Postby T-Bone »
In post 189, Merlyn wrote:
I thought t bone was testing drew- t bone, are you saying that you actually thought you were hammered?
(deja vu)
Eh I was doing both. Couldn't remember if Alianna was also voting me or not. I thought I'd call him scum for lolhammering and see what would happen anyway.
In post 184, T-Bone wrote:
Drew might be scum not yessiree. How exciting. Doesn't even engage with the post just says "oh I'm scum" and hammers. You all eliminate Drew/Flower/yessiree and thank me in the post game.
If this is a genuine post and not purely a reaction test, I don't see where you're getting the accusation of "didn't engage with the post."
Oh please. Saying "this is a drew post" is not engaging with the post. Okay, I understand why Drew might be pretending to have no reading comprehension. But you?
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Post #196 (isolation #19) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:29 pm
Postby T-Bone »
Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.
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Post #199 (isolation #20) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:35 pm
Postby T-Bone »
You don't. Listen, I too have used the "I do this as scum therefore you are scum" line too! It doesn't bother me. Though I pull that out when I'm scum trying to make something happen. Since you did it to slide me to e-1 I don't know how I feel about it. Probably on balance it's scummy but we'll see!
In post 196, T-Bone wrote:
Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.
I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."
Yes, he certainly typed up about 20 other words besides those but I'd like to know what he said that makes you say he did something with the information I presented. Did Drew say what he thought of Flower? Did he draw any consideration for what I said in how Flower approached yessiree vs how Flower approached other players? Please be specific in your analysis of his post.
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Post #205 (isolation #22) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:51 pm
Postby T-Bone »
To answer someone's other question I think every post I make is to gauge reactions, frankly. I'm trying to find scum so I make posts for me. The 'im going to find scum after everyone posts three times" bit was for my amusement but then it took long enough I leaned into it and dug into some early things that pinged me. I don't know that Flower and yessiree are the scumteam. But I don't know that they are not either. To me, they looked like players who knew one another's alignment because they were skipping on the feeling out stage with one another.
It is okay if (royal) you read those posts and don't agree with me. I frequently pick up on things no one else does. Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not. Maybe what I see is just coincidence. Maybe it's nothing. Not a big deal.
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Post #207 (isolation #23) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:53 pm
Postby T-Bone »
I mean you had to go back to check that you didn't hammer me because you were careless. A Drew may always be watching....but not very closely!
Nevermind that your explanation here doesn't explain your actions since you decided to vote for me. Feels like that post should come from a version of you explaining why you aren't voting for me lolol
In post 196, T-Bone wrote:
Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.
I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."
Like, that was part of it, but there was a legitimate accusation there too (reaching to an extent that Drew considers scummy), and this comes off like you're ignoring that part and reducing it to just "I do this as scum therefore you are scum."
A legitimate accusation? What could possibly be a legitimate accusation? The cart quip? That's the part you're hanging your hat on? That's the only other thing he said in that post so I am truly at a loss as to what post you're defending. Even Drew felt the need to expand upon his point about the 'drew post' remark because he didn't present any further reasoning the first time!
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Post #211 (isolation #25) » Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:00 pm
Postby T-Bone »
Stopping here at 17 posts so y'all can chew on things for a bit and I have leeway to respond if someone brings up something new.
I don't want to go into a back and forth Alianna but I hope you can see why I find your defense of Drew's post lacking when I contend he didn't engage on any of the thoughts I had. I legitimately don't understand you. It's like you're either seeing more posts from Drew in a PT that explains his behavior in your eyes or you're just saying things hoping that people will move on. I struggle to come up with a more logical explanation for why you are defending him from my point of view.
In post 205, T-Bone wrote:
To answer someone's other question I think every post I make is to gauge reactions, frankly. I'm trying to find scum so I make posts for me. The 'im going to find scum after everyone posts three times" bit was for my amusement but then it took long enough I leaned into it and dug into some early things that pinged me. I don't know that Flower and yessiree are the scumteam. But I don't know that they are not either. To me, they looked like players who knew one another's alignment because they were skipping on the feeling out stage with one another.
It is okay if (royal) you read those posts and don't agree with me. I frequently pick up on things no one else does. Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not. Maybe what I see is just coincidence. Maybe it's nothing. Not a big deal.
I see you, I even like the "entrance after having daytalk in a PT" read, but why not mention anything about it when you dropped the read?
In post 205, T-Bone wrote:
To answer someone's other question I think every post I make is to gauge reactions, frankly. I'm trying to find scum so I make posts for me. The 'im going to find scum after everyone posts three times" bit was for my amusement but then it took long enough I leaned into it and dug into some early things that pinged me. I don't know that Flower and yessiree are the scumteam. But I don't know that they are not either. To me, they looked like players who knew one another's alignment because they were skipping on the feeling out stage with one another.
It is okay if (royal) you read those posts and don't agree with me. I frequently pick up on things no one else does. Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not. Maybe what I see is just coincidence. Maybe it's nothing. Not a big deal.
I see you, I even like the "entrance after having daytalk in a PT" read, but why not mention anything about it when you dropped the read?
Not sure what you're asking here?
You explained when you dropped your scumread on me and Flower in your 3rd post, you actually had something that could substantiate it
I'm asking why you didn't think to mention it then and there?
To play along with the bit of solving the game in the 3rd post.
In post 196, T-Bone wrote:
Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.
I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."
Yes, he certainly typed up about 20 other words besides those but I'd like to know what he said that makes you say he did something with the information I presented. Did Drew say what he thought of Flower? Did he draw any consideration for what I said in how Flower approached yessiree vs how Flower approached other players? Please be specific in your analysis of his post.
For one example, this. Feels like it's meant to be a cheap "gotcha." You read the posts, you know he didn't do that in the post we're talking about, what's the point of the questions other than to make me look bad? I get not understanding where I'm coming from but why do this as town rather than asking questions that might actually help you understand?
And I think you've made some good points about other things that suggest he's not acting in good faith.
100% this was a gotcha because I really wanted you to dig in and defend a stance that was, and still is, frankly, indefensible given the content of the post.
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Post #278 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:03 am
Postby T-Bone »
In post 272, RCEnigma wrote:
I’d be pretty annoyed if I went and gave a tangible case and instead of anyone challenging its merits. They just vote me to E-1. I probably wouldn’t engage in good faith at that point either because wth. Tell me why the case is bad, invalid, or coming from scum at the very least.
I get this impulse you have but I don't agree. I felt like I was challenging both Drew and Alianna on the merits of their posts. Especially Alianna in that interaction. Alianna made an assertion that I felt was indefensible, so demanding that she defend it is the logical next step, no?
I think the mismatch between Drew and I is Drew placing self-importance on "drew posting"/moon logic/whatever buzzword you want to insert here.
I wasn't bothered by e-1, and I wouldn't have been bothered had Drew actually hammered me. I don't play that way. I'm confident that I'm town and that I'm making progress in this game, and whether I get flipped or not is immaterial to how I play. I am hard to mislim, it's going to take both members of the scumteam to do it. That's a win too. Not my preferable outcome, but I'm not too arrogant a player to think that I have to be alive to win the game.
somewhere after Battle Mage (scum) votes T-Bone (town), but you can check his reaction to my shitpush too
also I might be approaching my quota so Imma be conservative with my posting from now on
I want everyone else to know that my instinct is to start leaning yessirree town for latest posting. But yessirree going through our old games makes me think he knows how easy I am to pocket when you start agreeing with me. In case that is relevant to any of you meta-lovers out there.
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Post #309 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:31 am
Postby T-Bone »
That's silly if I move to the Merlyn wagon than same issue right?
There's probably 2 scum on my wagon (or potential to bring me to e-1) because there's no other way to get my mislim through with the people who are town reading me. So unless Flower is town their votes are unnecessary to get a lim.
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Post #332 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 12, 2023 5:44 am
Postby T-Bone »
Scum say that as a way to set up their Day 2 where they blame the player that got mislimmed for being scummy and then go back to flipping those with strong partner energy anyway.
I suppose bad town say that sometimes but I'll give Flower a little more credit.
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Post #368 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:39 pm
Postby T-Bone »
In post 364, Flower wrote:
T-Bone do you think Drew is town in a world where both of us are town?
Memes about hero solves aside my reads on players are mostly independent of one another with some caveats. I'm not preflipping anyone. Drew being town or not doesn't have anything to do with your alignment or vise versa, that's not how town reads work. You're only linked if one of you flips scum.
In post 364, Flower wrote:
T-Bone do you think Drew is town in a world where both of us are town?
Memes about hero solves aside my reads on players are mostly independent of one another with some caveats. I'm not preflipping anyone. Drew being town or not doesn't have anything to do with your alignment or vise versa, that's not how town reads work. You're only linked if one of you flips scum.
I'm asking cause the Drew/T-Bone fight isn't giving us TvT vibes but if you're willing to vouch for him we're fine with just townbinning him
This feels like a question for someone else since you're voting for me. What?
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Post #432 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:44 am
Postby T-Bone »
My list is scum is in Flower/alianna/drew/yessiree. But the only two players I would connect as scum are Flower and yessiree, though it's a weak connection and not set in stone, I could see yessiree as town. If Alianna is scum then that almost necessitates Drew as town. I lean town on Aureal and Klaz. I am null or RCE and STD, if one of these two people are scum it's probably with a partner who isn't Flower.
You can just ask me rather than speculate! With that said the speculation makes me very comfortable with Aureal so if you're scum I am rather comfy in your pocket now.
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Post #555 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:03 pm
Postby T-Bone »
I was memeing about the strongman and ifit had happened to anyone else I would have still memed about it. It's just not a possibility worth considering. Either I'm scum by my play or I'm not.
