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Also that would be incorrect
T3, how exactly did you come to your current conclusion"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Also it literally can't be Prism now if you were paying any attention"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Your reads have kinda felt like "whatever ends the game quickest" very recently, and while that's something you have in common with Imag, you specifically aren't even going through the motions of putting any thought into actually getting the elimination right"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Is it though? You kinda just settled where there was any remaining momentumIn post 4447, imaginality wrote:
This is a misrep. I hadn't even voted til just a few hours ago. And my posts earlier today were more around reasons I had for thinking people aren't scum.In post 4446, jjh927 wrote: Your reads have kinda felt like "whatever ends the game quickest" very recently, and while that's something you have in common with Imag, you specifically aren't even going through the motions of putting any thought into actually getting the elimination right"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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You know, I think I missed that because I greened the square with some rather flimsy reasoning initiallyIn post 4457, Prism wrote: Does the fact that Firebringer sat on imaginality for eons yesterday, including a long stretch at E-1 and at the end when we had decided to do one of Andres/imaginality, do nothing for you?
That leaves
VOTE: T3"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Don't think that anything I say is going to influence proceedings at this point but I can try and do so if people think it would actually help make a decision.
I dunno how I was blind to this until now but Shirou kill over Prism makes most sense for scum!T3"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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It didn't go as hard and basically the first thing T3 did in this day phase was basically go "Look at my interactions with fire last day phase"In post 4479, Prism wrote:
And what about this one?In post 4476, jjh927 wrote:
You know, I think I missed that because I greened the square with some rather flimsy reasoning initiallyIn post 4457, Prism wrote: Does the fact that Firebringer sat on imaginality for eons yesterday, including a long stretch at E-1 and at the end when we had decided to do one of Andres/imaginality, do nothing for you?
That leaves
VOTE: T3In post 4149, jjh927 wrote: Because Firebringer was voting a quite serious T3 wagon for a significant period of time"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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We wouldn't be in this shitshow if Alisae wasn't eliminated day 1"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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But yeah this is still painful to come to a conclusion I am actually happy with and I'm the one who should be in the best position to figure it out"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Dragons would have left over Firebringer and I do not believe I have to think much more than that, especially when I should be sleeping"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I do think T3's total silence around when he hammered andres was kinda strange"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Kinda like he planned to leave but that wasn't the ultimate decision made by him and fire"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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He's had no consistency with his reads and absolutely has been just trying to coast by and make it to the next day, in a noticeable fashion, both day 3 and day 4.
That whole 'do I hammer' thing was because he wanted to be excused for the hammering. The roundabout stuff is because firebringer is a troll"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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If you'd been shot instead of Shirou, I think Shirou would have just gone straight for T3 and I'd have been legally obligated to follow him even if I didn't just buy the probably convincing argument made supporting this"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Prism, do you have seconds set up on the timings for your post settings"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I've got it set. I can tell you that the timings are kinda interesting and T3 absolutely was refreshing the page in like 15 seconds at absolute most. His hammer was 9 seconds after Fire's post"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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He was very involved in the conversation around getting the hammer and then said nothing in the following 2 minutes
Might have been planning an escape or might have been self conscious about the hammer (which he made without a second thought)"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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But yeah I'll leave you to it. Just thought it was something worth considering that might not have occurred to you. Think this one is out of my hands at this point"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 4536, Prism wrote: I'm bad at going to bed.In post 2779, T3 wrote:
didn't we literally say that scum bussing is a good strategy earlierIn post 2767, Save The Dragons wrote: i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to thatIf T3 is scum these posts being 30 seconds apart is so funny
There's actually one of those this phase too"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Oops I posted in your quote
Oh well
But yeah
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Yeah, probably not. Maybe I'd wait to see what Prism does too.In post 4339, imaginality wrote: scum T3 probably doesn't want to townread Ydrasse today."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Why is that hard to believe, and why do you think it's alignment indicative in any way?In post 4540, imaginality wrote: Interested to hear other's thoughts on jjh's response to the votecount on page 177.
I have a bit of a hard time imagining a townie at E-1 as jjh was, on an elo day, calmly continuing a conversation with Prism (4401, 4406, 4411) rather than, at the very least, commenting on it or reacting in some way?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I hadn't actually looked at the VC until Prism drew attention to it
By the time he had, he and Ydrasse were confirmed town
I'm relatively happy knowing that the two outcomes here are that either Prism figures out I'm just town here or he doesn't and we lose
It's possible we lose anyway because knowing my alignment does not make this game any easier"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Fire straight up went to talk about anime half the time I was gonna bounce reads with him from my personal recollection"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I think the closest there is to a "silver bullet" is something that you likely know; historically my scumgames have never come close to this and aren't able to replicate this level of engagement with a game over a sustained period of time. In defence of my future scumgame, when I do roll scum I think there will be an improvement, but that will take a different form that is more about influencing people in the direction they were probably going to go in anyway than it is conventional deepwolfing.
The other thing is that my scumgame tends towards peak effort at critical moments and much lower any other time. Obviously my effort goes up and down regardless of alignment, but for scum sustained effort has tended to burn me out somewhat. I think that if I was scum here I'd have come into the day resolved to win it from the start of the day with some kind of plan and a lot more enthusiasm than I have right now"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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If STD left, Fire could have shot you and I think Shirou would have seriously heard me out on Gob. I'm also not convinced an STD/Firebringer team would have acknowledged that I explicitly asked Shirou to lie and say he'd sheep me even if I didn't get shot- they'd have just noted the deal as it was at eod. If T3 is town, he is is just voting fucking anyone as it is and essentially this could have led to an extremely free Gob elim, or at the very least a gamestate perceived as such"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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So yeah, Imaginality or T3. Honestly there's strong reasons for and against both and that's why it's so damn hard to make a decision here"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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That's a good question and the most obvious answer is that it's because it's T3 which is who I am voting right now and who I think it is most likely to be"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
Killing shirou over you makes less sense for scum!imag as a result though"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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The answer definitely exists it's just it's been really hard to conclusively narrow it between those two"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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You just continue making incredible insights like thisIn post 4570, gob wrote: If JJH is scum, then imaginality is town."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Spoiler:
That's the full line anime Poirot says whenever he is about to tell everyone the solution
I've been at my final answer of T3 for a long time. I'm not like, anime Poirot levels of confident but I am confident enough that I'm staying there"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Do you really need to ask that question, man who has already brought attention to his interactions with Firebringer in day 3In post 4599, T3 wrote:
Green me out with Firebringer in particular.In post 4598, T3 wrote:
jjh why did you initially green me out on your table?In post 4557, jjh927 wrote: But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
Killing shirou over you makes less sense for scum!imag as a result though"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Uh, what do you think it was?In post 4602, Prism wrote:
Weird response since that wasn't why you put them in green.In post 4600, jjh927 wrote: Do you really need to ask that question, man who has already brought attention to his interactions with Firebringer in day 3"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I should be in bed, gob. I need to be up in like 5 hours. I'm not gonna take the time to wallpost a summary that you will ultimately fail to absorb"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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While making bus votes in day 3 is a high risk play and thus is unlikely, unlikely situations are the only ones that remain possibleIn post 4601, T3 wrote:
Why are said interaction with Firebringer currently invalid in your eyes?In post 4600, jjh927 wrote:
Do you really need to ask that question, man who has already brought attention to his interactions with Firebringer in day 3In post 4599, T3 wrote:
Green me out with Firebringer in particular.In post 4598, T3 wrote:
jjh why did you initially green me out on your table?In post 4557, jjh927 wrote: But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
Killing shirou over you makes less sense for scum!imag as a result though"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Well, that's something to wake up to"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I think what really got me with this setup was that being right achieves nothing unless you actually bring it home. You can't revisit things later and there wasn't enough new information to make inordinately confident slots reconsider bad opinions. We lost Alisae day 1, a balance shift that would probably have just won the game with a Firebringer elim in day 3 if we'd mislimmed someone like STD instead. On day 2, Titus kinda made anything other than a Titus lim impossible and while I don't particularly blame Shirou or Prism for taking me off camel, I'm still a bit bitter we didn't get that. If we'd done Imaginality there I think we'd have just been totally doomed.
Then we have day 3 where tbh I think Shirou wanted Firebringer and I wanted Gob, but neither of us could get what we wanted and Shirou was willing to settle whereas I felt like I needed to get exactly both scum in day 3 or I'd never get even 1 elimination that I wanted. Tbh I was fully committed to that gamble and Gob being surprisingly good with the distancing was basically what sealed that
And then day 4, I had already lost the gamble by being wrong on Gob's partner and I was so committed at this point that I just stopped entertaining Gob as scum"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Also choosing to not hammer and then trying to get me and T3 to case each other is honestly messed up"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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