This pinged the fuck out of me. I typed up a reply with a vote but then thought I better check the vote count. Since he's E-2 already I'm holding off for now.In post 13, DragonEater70 wrote: I just wanna say that Aureal is a freaking QUEEN for making this game
I mean my role is a freaking gladiator!
Open 898: Don't Fall In The Volcano! | Game Over!
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Which two?In post 35, DragonEater70 wrote: I'd also hate to fade you page 2, but you might consider the fact that at least two people are seriously scumreading you and respond to that-
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I found that a LAG on my right was the most profitable situation once I learned how to play it.In post 57, Klick wrote: Fair. I think my play has been pretty neutral so far on the surface
I've recently gotten into poker and am trying to incorporate a little bit of what I've learned so far into my play-
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Note that on this site D1 refers to the whole phase which lasts 10 (or whatever) calendar days.In post 60, NekoLover wrote: I unvoted black simply because it seems foolish to eliminate someone D1-
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Ugh I hate that word.In post 77, NekoLover wrote: I'm typically a very paranoid person so no, No one appears to be likely town to me-
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13 feels more like a fake townslip than a real one.In post 78, Black wrote: I do think it's strange that sky thought I was scum because I seemed confused about her Dragon TR. I'm not sure why she wouldn't just say right then that she thought 13 was a townslip
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Neko you need an avatar, makes it easier for everyone else.In post 90, NekoLover wrote: Don't mind me, i'm just looking over at the glossary to understand all these terms, but yea I do think it seemed intentional as well-
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Yeah that was my thought.In post 92, Black wrote: In the time it took him to write an unnecessarily long-winded 48 he could have at least summarized his read-
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Not sure what you're asking.In post 106, Klick wrote: Was this just the town way to read that post then-
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LAG = Loose Aggressive. They run over tables and drive many people crazy, but I read an article on how to play them by Mike Caro, and it all became clear. As long as they're one or two positions on your right.In post 115, NekoLover wrote:
LAG is missing from the glossary so if you wouldn't mind explaining it, it'd be very much appreciatedIn post 107, Claptastik wrote:
I found that a LAG on my right was the most profitable situation once I learned how to play it.In post 57, Klick wrote: Fair. I think my play has been pretty neutral so far on the surface
I've recently gotten into poker and am trying to incorporate a little bit of what I've learned so far into my play-
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Fishing for town reads?In post 124, Black wrote: That's fair. I guess what I'm getting at is it seems like the natural progression of having a strong feeling that Dragon is scum combined with not thinking we are partnered would be to think I'm probably town-
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What in particular about his latest posts looks town to you?In post 132, Klick wrote: I think Neko's pretty solidly town with his latest posts-
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It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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Because I only have one vote.In post 191, Dannflor wrote:
why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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Follow up on Black:
26 - questions someone else putting out an early town read
39 - doubts that people have enough info to have a serious read on her this early
42 - puts out a bare town read on neko - "Neko town" is the entire post
46 - again doubts that there's enough information to have serious reads yet
53 - puts out gut town reads on sky and dragon, now claims that the town read on neko "wasn't real."
92 - excessively focused with the people who have voted her, votes dragon
94 - backs off the dragon scum read. More concerned with how she appears to others than with generating information to get real reads.
122 and 124 and 128 - hey newbie you should town read me
133 - wishy-washy town read on neko
162 - detailed defense. Town getting heat early on D1 tend to just continue on and trust that their town game will become apparent in time. Black is focused on herself this game.
163 - naked vote on me. Hey let's see if I can deflect the conversation to someone else.
186 - just gross
190 - rolleyes response to klick, who made the same observation that I did above, i.e. town!Black would be towning it up
194 - vote Klick. I mean WTF, why did you vote me? Apparently not in an attempt to sort me
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No. In fact, I think reads are so weak this early in the game, that there's no town reason to be tossing them out. Scum OTOH want to look like they're trying to solve, and buddying doesn't hurt.In post 192, Black wrote: Do you honestly expect reads to be strong this early in the game?-
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Follow up: as noted above, Klick had a similar thought to mine regarding Black. Scum!klick would tell scum!black to town it up in the PT. scum!klick has no motivation to tell town!black how to take pressure off herself. Klick is looking good to me from that post.In post 196, Claptastik wrote:
Because I only have one vote.In post 191, Dannflor wrote:
why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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This guy's screaming newbtown all along. If he's scum, kudos!In post 198, NekoLover wrote: Honestly I have no comment for any of this but i am present-
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This reminds me of myself as town. I like having wagons on me as that generates the best information. Klick has a wagon, but he's not defensive, he's letting it get reads. Black OTOH has been hard defending all day.In post 202, Klick wrote:
...I quite like this actuallyIn post 191, Dannflor wrote:
why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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Where is 7 hours difference from EST in Europe? I'm traveling there next summer for the first time.In post 216, DragonEater70 wrote: The wonders of having a 7 hour difference (it's 7 AM here)-
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You were right to unvote, but it's pretty rare to see a quickhammer that early on D1. It's done more for reaction.In post 221, NekoLover wrote: Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair-
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My assumption is that I scum read black in part for tossing out weak and rebuttable town read early, and klick also put out town reads.In post 222, DragonEater70 wrote: Is there something I'm missing here? Why was Clap supposed to vote Klick?
In 52 Klick did put out a weak town read on you.
132 - town read on neko, BUT it's "pretty solidly town." Contrast with black, who then said "I lean town there but it's not very solidified."
161 - you're now "even more town"
Klick is putting out stronger town reads. Scum!klick would have to later justify putting votes there. Black wants to look like she has town reads, but still be able to vote them later without much explanation.-
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Can you look back again and look for motivations in what he does? Feels don't work well in this game unless you have a long history with people (and even then not so great in most cases).In post 224, NekoLover wrote: Oh I missed the titus part; and while my read on Klick is partly based off black, I have looked back and Klick just kinda rubs me off the wrong way-
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I'm new to this site, but I played a lot on some topical forums that also ran mafia games. Some people there also played here. That was a while ago. I recently got an itch and went back, but those sites are gone or not doing mafia anymore. This place is so much better, e.g. the ability to show an ISO or multiple ISOs.In post 257, DragonEater70 wrote: Clap are you an alt? You speak like a pretty experienced player-
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Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.In post 254, DragonEater70 wrote: Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)-
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So...people shouldn't pressure you because you'll make sure the game's no fun for anyone?In post 282, Black wrote: I'm the type of player that doesn't respond well to pressure. I get focused on everyone's shitty scumreads on me and it derails the game and it's not fun for anyone-
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I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.In post 297, Black wrote:
Why do you think Klick is town?In post 259, Claptastik wrote:
Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.In post 254, DragonEater70 wrote: Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)-
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NGL what you wrote seems to be admitting that you're playing scummy. When you say you do "this" as town, what's "this"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.In post 298, Black wrote:
I do this as town btw. It's not a scumtell of mine. Though I have a feeling you don't really care and you'll find a way to scumread me saying this somehowIn post 247, Claptastik wrote: This reminds me of myself as town. I like having wagons on me as that generates the best information. Klick has a wagon, but he's not defensive, he's letting it get reads. Black OTOH has been hard defending all day.-
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Voting someone then not following up is deflecting, not sorting.In post 306, Black wrote: As far as deflecting, I find it funny that you and Clap think I'm scummy for focusing on myself and then when I look elsewhere to try and sort it's called deflecting-
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There's only two scum. It's doubtful that both of them are on you this early. So, at least two of the three on you are town. What motivation do townies have to push you in bad faith?In post 313, Black wrote: I think the three people on my wagon are sorting me in bad faith. There's a lot of reasons that are either NAI or a huge stretch, like they are jumping through hoops to paint me as scum-
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What do you think of my interactions with people other than black after the catchup?In post 315, Dannflor wrote:Basically i think clap’s catchup and jump on Black was way over justified and more focused on looking townie than anything else-
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"In good faith" is a weasel term.In post 341, Black wrote: People can pressure me but I expect them to do it in good faith and to admit when they might be wrong
I might be wrong. I thought it went without saying in a game of mafia, particularly on D1, but now it's said. Is that good?-
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What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?In post 343, Black wrote:
Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer thoIn post 340, Claptastik wrote:
I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.In post 297, Black wrote:
Why do you think Klick is town?In post 259, Claptastik wrote:
Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.In post 254, DragonEater70 wrote: Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)-
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I thought your rebuttal was weak. I think responding to weak scum arguments plays into the hands of scum. I'm fine letting everyone decide based on what's out there.In post 352, Black wrote: Nah, that's not good enough. I want you to respond to my rebuttal of your case so I can tell if you're town pushing me for bad reasons or scum pushing me for bad reasons-
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What do you think of my reasoning on klick?In post 354, Black wrote:
Probably not. I think it's more likely that there's one scum within youIn post 353, Claptastik wrote:
What do you think of the reasoning on klick in those posts? Do you think I'm scum with klick?In post 343, Black wrote:
Nah I just overlooked them. Thanks for providing an answer thoIn post 340, Claptastik wrote:
I explained that in 245 247 and 255. You're not reading for content, i.e. not really trying to sort people, or you would know this.In post 297, Black wrote:
Why do you think Klick is town?In post 259, Claptastik wrote:
Agreed, you, klick and neko look pretty solidly town.In post 254, DragonEater70 wrote: Yeah Klick is my strongest TR, and with how Clap has been towning it up recently, they are a close second (Neko/Sky were previously tied for second place and are now tied for third place)-
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@Black what do you think of my reasoning on klick?-
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I don't think so. Black is either floundering scum or bad, over-defensive town. Without dannflor backing her she'd be in trouble.In post 358, NekoLover wrote: I'm watching you two play 5D chess while i'm playing checkers in this game
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So you agree with my logic that klick's post was town. Why am I, as scum, making town points for a townie who has a wagon on him? DOesn't it make much more sense to leave open the option to get on that wagon if I need to? That flexibility is much more important than some nebulous town cred scum!me might get if klick does get limmed without my vote.
Seriously? Wow, most people would find being pressured D1 as part of a 2-person team to be more stressful than being pressured as 1 out of 7.I disagree with 247 - I think it's much easier to stay calm and collected when being wagoned as scum as opposed to town.
As noted, the issue is that scum need to generate mislims, and putting out strong town reads limits their options down the road. you understand that, right?255 is bad too because weren't you arguing that it doesn't make sense to have strong reads this early? And now suddenly you townread Klick for having strong reads? It's easier for scum to have strong reads, or to at least pretend that they do, because they know everyone's alignments. Town are more likely to be wishy washy and fluid with their reads early in the game-
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Problem is that someone with that join date and post count could very well be town, and could very well have good reads. And they're difficult to lim. It's a type that's good for investigatives to check.In post 363, NekoLover wrote: yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought-
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I don't know how you conclude I'm saying I'm good at this game. I know I'm not.In post 364, Black wrote:
Nah, your case is shit homie. You're not fading me with that hot garbageIn post 362, Claptastik wrote: I don't think so. Black is either floundering scum or bad, over-defensive town. Without dannflor backing her she'd be in trouble.
You're the one playing bad if you are town, not me
As for dannflor, he appears to be the most annoying type of player there is -the old guard who thinks he's so damn good he doesn't need to explain himself. And sometimes those people are that good, but there's no way for newer people like you or me to know that.
If you think you are good at this game you need to check yourself. Your ego is inflated for no reason-
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Yes. I rarely see scum trying to pocket someone with a wagon on them though.In post 367, Black wrote: Have you ever heard of pocketing?
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@dannfor
This post implies I'm going to come back with a detailed case on black when I'm at my computer. Why was it scummy of me to do so?In post 185, Claptastik wrote: It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy.Would give examples but I'm on my phone.
I'm assuming this regards klick putting out town reads at the same time as black. I've shown that black's were indeed weak and rebuttable, while klick's were signficantly stronger. I've also explained how I relate those facts to alignment. What do you think of all that?In post 196, Claptastik wrote:
Because I only have one vote.In post 191, Dannflor wrote:
why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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How about the premise 'scum need to keep mislim options open? Is that laughable?In post 374, Black wrote: The premise that "scum have weak reads and town have strong ones" is laughable
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Yeah, scum make rebuttable town reads, just like you've been doing. I'm glad we're on the same page.In post 381, Black wrote: Maybe your scum game is really bad and you don't know how to believably incorporate previous townreads into the PoE, but not all of us have that issue, and I guarantee you Klick doesn't-
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I disagree, but if it is tvt, scum are just coasting, so it has to end for a while.In post 385, Klick wrote: I think this argument is +town for both of you-
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You really are making this game miserable. Hope you're proud of yourself.In post 391, Black wrote:
Yeah run along nowIn post 389, Claptastik wrote:
I disagree, but if it is tvt, scum are just coasting, so it has to end for a while.In post 385, Klick wrote: I think this argument is +town for both of you-
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Let me see if I understand this.In post 188, FakeGod wrote: I don't think putting someone to E-1 on page 2 and keeping her there is a good idea, because how easy it would be for a scum (or town) to "accidentally" place hammer and evading responsibility on Day 2. Now, if an actual quickhammer had occurred and the flip was scum, I would give massive towncred to the hammerer, but that is besides the point. I'm also not sure if Black was scum or not, because I can see myself reacting like that if I were to run up to E-1 right away, and I can see a scum player faking it as well.
I think the main engine behind the wagon was Sky and Dragon, and I see a strange but plausible town motivation and explanation from Sky's posts, hence my Dragon vote.
However, 154 is so cringey that I'm having trouble seeing scum Dragon writing it. If that is within his scum range, then bravo.
VOTE: Klick
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Why? 80% of his ISO boils down to a scum read based on an RVS vote and a 6 minute E-1.In post 464, NekoLover wrote: FakeGod feels town to me definitely,-
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VOTE: fakegod-
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Once 8-1/2 years ago is pretty underwhelming.-
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Along those lines, I would think it took him significant time to find that game from 8 years ago.In post 493, Klick wrote: I acknowledge that FakeGod had some content in their ISO that looked like solving on the surface
My point was rather that the content itself felt forced, felt like it was driven by what FakeGod wanted to push into the thread rather than what FakeGod thought.It felt like the purpose of their posting was to look a certain way, as opposed to just solving. And that bothered me.
Their posting still feels this way to me, and it feels like more than just a playstyle issue.-
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IMO dann is townier than either fakegod or kawaii-
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I'm town. You're projecting because it's something in your own scum bag of tricks. For example:In post 536, Dannflor wrote: i don't believe i said 185 specifically was scummy, but i do think you seemed overly anxious to have bulletproof and unique reasons to be scum reading black
like you said enough in 185, and then i find your followup in 243 to be more about the performance than anything else.
like i don't think you read all the posts you highlighted and have these thoughts. i think you wanted to scum read black and then reinforced that with 243 afterwards
that's something town sometimes too but it comes from scum an awful lot of the time that want to make their reads seem more real, and more importantly, bulletproof to argue against
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I'm town. You should look elsewhere.
Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
skygazer null
fakegod, kawaii - scum pool
I guess I doubt it's this easy, but it sure seems like it is.-
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Just from this game? I agree. But, I read your D1 play in some recent games and it has me leaning town on you.In post 538, Dannflor wrote: I also don't really think it makes sense for Claptastik to think I'm townier than fakegod or kawaii-
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First, some players I town read said this isn't your scum game.In post 561, Black wrote:
Why did your opinion of me changeIn post 559, Claptastik wrote: Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
Second, I did some meta and agree with your self assessment that you handle pressure better as scum.
Interestingly, I was doing meta on you and dann, and came across a scum game of yours where you replaced out, and dann took the slot. I thought that was pretty funny. But yeah, you were getting pressure, and you weren't freaking out.-
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North of null. I've given reasons.In post 562, Dannflor wrote: where do you have klick-
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LOL, yes, and I already gave the point. You were scum and early on gave a forced list case on someone. When I saw that the light bulb went on - he's scum reading me for a list case because he does it as scum.In post 565, Dannflor wrote:
is there a reason you linked a scum game of mine besides to show off that you’ve been metaing peopleIn post 559, Claptastik wrote:
I'm town. You're projecting because it's something in your own scum bag of tricks. For example:In post 536, Dannflor wrote: i don't believe i said 185 specifically was scummy, but i do think you seemed overly anxious to have bulletproof and unique reasons to be scum reading black
like you said enough in 185, and then i find your followup in 243 to be more about the performance than anything else.
like i don't think you read all the posts you highlighted and have these thoughts. i think you wanted to scum read black and then reinforced that with 243 afterwards
that's something town sometimes too but it comes from scum an awful lot of the time that want to make their reads seem more real, and more importantly, bulletproof to argue against
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I'm town. You should look elsewhere.
Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
skygazer null
fakegod, kawaii - scum pool
I guess I doubt it's this easy, but it sure seems like it is.
Where I came from, cases like that were pretty standard town fare. They were tougher though because we didn't have the handy post number link tool.-
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What's so off about his game?In post 553, Dannflor wrote: there's also an element of I think Klick is a great town player and he could be having an off game or i could be having an off game but if I give him time I'll be able to find him as town
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Why? Is bussing not a thing on this site?In post 188, FakeGod wrote: Now, if an actual quickhammer had occurred and the flip was scum, I would give massive towncred to the hammerer,-
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