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Post #2576 (isolation #200) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:22 am
Postby Black »
Now that we know Ranger/JV is scum I don't really think we can clear Jupiter for not knowing who replaced JV. If Ranger were town I think this would have been more believable
Dann was pretty convinced Jupiter was town though and I generally trust his reads, so this is tough
In post 2576, Black wrote:
Now that we know Ranger/JV is scum I don't really think we can clear Jupiter for not knowing who replaced JV. If Ranger were town I think this would have been more believable
wouldn't it be the other way around? scum jupiter would have more awareness of who his scumbuddies were.
Dann was pretty convinced Jupiter was town though and I generally trust his reads, so this is tough
i agree
I guess I'm thinking it's more likely for Jupiter to fake this if it involves his scumbuddy
In post 2583, Political Clout wrote:
I am feeling more and more convinced all 3 scum were on my wagon so it should be between jupiter and black
I'M TOWN
we're all going to vote again for who we think it is then I'll pick the one with plurality votes since most of those will be town. If its a tie then I'll just pick.
In post 2598, Political Clout wrote:
in fact my hammer seems to only have gone through when I said I was going to switch to fire and try to convince tris to join.
black moved off after you said this
I think he knows this
I understand it looks bad but fire took advantage of me switching to PC and hammered as soon as I did
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Post #2616 (isolation #214) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:51 am
Postby Black »
In post 2612, Political Clout wrote:
jacksons iso makes me think it's black. both fire and black trying to help them get back in the game. damn hmmmmm.
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Post #2639 (isolation #219) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:04 am
Postby Black »
In post 2638, JupiterXV wrote:
also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but
I'm not convinced it's you over Tris/hellbooks like PC is
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Post #2641 (isolation #221) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:05 am
Postby Black »
In post 2638, JupiterXV wrote:
also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but
In post 2638, JupiterXV wrote:
also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but
This feels a little performative though
how? you're fencesitting on me like "oh well I think _ is better than jupiter" and then making posts about behaviors ive done that are scummy or whatever. if you think im scum id like to see you explain why
Of course I'm fence sitting. I'm not sure which of you three is scum. I'm going to point out scummy behavior if I see it
In post 2638, JupiterXV wrote:
also black if you're not scum then explain why i am
can't guarantee a defense because honestly i cant really be bothered but
This feels a little performative though
how? you're fencesitting on me like "oh well I think _ is better than jupiter" and then making posts about behaviors ive done that are scummy or whatever. if you think im scum id like to see you explain why
Of course I'm fence sitting. I'm not sure which of you three is scum. I'm going to point out scummy behavior if I see it
okay and i'd just like to reiterate that if you think i'm scum i'd like to see you explain why
I think it's possible you're scum, yeah. I've thought you were scum for like 90% of this game. If you want to know why you can just go look at any of my posts about you
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Post #2659 (isolation #225) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:23 am
Postby Black »
In post 2655, Political Clout wrote:
fire was flipped because the timing of the hammer clearly implicates them. ranger had to be flipped no matter what if I'm the assassin. it might actually heavily point to town black? or is my analysis wrong here?
I am Town but how does this implicate that exactly? I feel like the way fire/Ranger treated me Yesterday is better evidence. Fire tried to get you to wagon me with him and Ranger got upset when I voted for fire without being caught up
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Post #2690 (isolation #229) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:25 am
Postby Black »
In post 2683, hellbooks wrote:
i just mean that tris not taking stances isnt a reason to scumread her
i think that black has had interactions with JV that are too obviously look bad and doing things in the later game that are risky and so it would make more sense that she was uninformed of JV's and fire's alignment
on the contrast i think that tris has kind of been more conscious about distancing both JV and fire in ways that dont openly make her look bad
i also think that the ranger black interaction stuff, yeah maybe it could be scu mtheater, but it could be an intentional scum tactic from ranger trying to incriminate black
so thats not moving the needle for me
Thats just my instincts here
Just curious, did you pull my interactions with JV from memory or did you go back and look at them?
In post 2105, JupiterXV wrote:
lemme uh, check ISO and see if PC/Black is more or less likely. give me a sec,
In post 2106, JupiterXV wrote:
I know Black and JV were sitting on the same wagon together on me but in the timeframe when JV got more inactive Black rescinded wagon on me. I'll have to see if my estimates are right or not
If im reading this correctly then Jupiter would be faking the replacement thing from this point
sobasically jupiter is like "ok heres how were gonna get a lim on Political Clout. i am going to fake a misunderstanding in subtle ways for 5 days while also just like voting other people"
it just like really doesnt seem likely to me
jupiter quoted some stuff you said about JV then
Why did you wait until 300 posts later to post your thoughts about the interactions?
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Post #2708 (isolation #236) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:40 am
Postby Black »
In post 2642, hellbooks wrote:
ok so the arguments in favor of tris scum
- careful seeming bussing of JV and fire
- trying to slow down the game maybe demonstrative of fearing assassin
- black's flailing here feels kind of towny but admittedly i dont know meta
arguments in favor of black scum
- PC counter wagon timing after serious hammer threat to fire
- more unwilling to rule jupiter out which might be towny critical thinking but would also probably be a necessary move to get cover after the PC wagon plus leaving more options open
undecided
- ranger black post wagon interaction... but the thing is fire & black were also kind of like doing a simultaneous opposite theater preformance that was also happening. yeah maybe. plausibly all three scum just jump in the thread and do excessive bits of theatre to try and reclaim the position they sacrificed in order to protect fire lim. i kind of had this pet theory that black was pretending to townread fire in hopes that he is convinced to try to endgame which seems not to be true
im leaning tris
Is there any reason why you didn't include your thoughts about me/JV interactions in this post? This was right after you supposedly looked back and formed an opinion on them
In post 533, fireisredsir wrote:
for the sake of opinion equity (to go along with our newly found vote equity) i will say that i think it feels a little more like the kind of towny post that scum hellbooks makes than the kind of towny post that town hellbooks makes
These were the only two posts fire made on this day. I think what bothers me the most about this is that hellbooks, despite consistently responding to fire before and after this, chose not to respond to this comment at all
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Post #2718 (isolation #238) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:02 pm
Postby Black »
Fire just drops his scumread on hellbooks out of nowhere. After scumreading her for pretty much the entire early game he eventually just stops talking about and to her. He votes for tris, JV, python, all the while he doesn't seemed concerned about hellbooks!scum at all. It doesn't even feel like he tries to sort her after a certain point
In post 559, tris wrote:
i feel like voting back there and calling it a night, but i have more responsibility now that i have power over another's vote
pedit: i cannot figure out how the arms are moving in that image. regardless, it prevents me from voting virgo
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Post #2727 (isolation #243) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:11 pm
Postby Black »
Eh, I actually think the conversation between fire and tris on page 24 feels kinda natural and unaligned. Is seems like tris is genuinely curious about fire's read
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Post #2734 (isolation #248) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:24 pm
Postby Black »
In post 761, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Dann I'll spit out my brain real quick while I have a few seconds to think. I like Black and Fire's analysis of the gamestate, as they put in words a lot of what I was thinking in the moment and was writing out in my initial post. There's of course things I think both are wrong on but that's normal but I will delve into why I town-read both when I do the fuller write out.
I thought hellbooks' early game was incredibly fluffy and I hated how complex their presence was (for lack of a better word) for how little that was actually said but their later posts have been substantially better but I haven't had time to really think about it just yet so I will get back to you on that
. Python would probably be my third I want out outside of either of you but that's primarily because of their early game, specifically their interactions with Black which feels like they're trying to pocket her and/or deflect the attention away from themselves. Tris and Roden are the two people I'm finding hard to place. I like tris' vibes and generally leaning them town just based on how I feel when reading their posts but I am aware that's just feeling and I want to avoid using feeling as much as I can.
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Post #2751 (isolation #252) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:40 pm
Postby Black »
In post 2750, hellbooks wrote:
i dont know how to respond to black bc the only thing i can think of is like "well ofc she finds a bunch of stuff when PC says its between black and hellbooks" but i just dont see it that way
If you don't see it this way I find it weird for you to even post it. Feels like shade
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Post #2753 (isolation #253) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:42 pm
Postby Black »
In post 2752, tris wrote:
hellbooks specifically looked for interest in voting fire,
black later jumps on with a real possibility that was going to make the wagon viable
Yeah I saw that post too. To me it read more like hellbooks was trying to gauge where everyone stood with fire. That would make sense in a situation where they are trying to determine who to keep alive at the end
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Post #2765 (isolation #254) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:57 pm
Postby Black »
In post 2761, tris wrote:
why did you move away from voting fire to voting for someone who might be fire's partner right as that player was floating the idea of voting fire
I wasn't really convinced fire was scum and I wasn't even thinking about possible partners for anyone. That was the first day I had come back to the game in a few days and I was several pages behind so my thoughts were really foggy. In hindsight it was a bad vote
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Post #2777 (isolation #258) » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:14 pm
Postby Black »
In post 2776, tris wrote:
hmm, but i guess it's easy to generate scumreads on your team mates. and this is a set up which encourages scum to have one teammate who is meant to go deep
I had this thought when it seemed like fire generated his hellbooks scumread out of mid-air. And then he just like...forgot about it or something