Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[ketchup777]

See you D2

if you’re still alive!

[ketchup777]

Anybody suspecting me based on how I’m acting now is acting stupid. Why would scum!me ever actively push against a wagon that I barely have to involve myself in anymore to jump to a new wagon and make it easier for me personally to get flipped instead. If it was my partner pushed up, even worse at this point given snivys position and how everybody is acting towards them, it’d be the play tk commit to a bus nmw.

Flip Snivy, regret it and then listen to me later. Thanks

fair points after a couple uncertain jolts I do still think you’re town

[ketchup777]

contrary to popular belief i think JV's town stock became higher after snivy's entrance, but only enough to make me think he's a day 1 keeper.

yet you chose to vote him?

[ketchup777]

ok

[ketchup777]

OMG I HIT 11:11:11 WITHOUT EVEN TRYING WHAT WHAT

[ketchup777]

Worst case, he flips VT and we avoided mislimming a PR. Best case - we’re right.

I’ll reiterate.

yep

[ketchup777]

I await your jackson case as well, snivy

[ketchup777]

I‘d love it if you talked even more about JV

[ketchup777]

preferably for snivy

[ketchup777]

and, mango, how have you approached this game differently as town? Has it felt different, less scared? Or more boring? You tell us. The longer the explanation of feelings the better

[ketchup777]

assuming you are town…

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Camelcasedsnivy

E-1

[ketchup777]

how were you able to mask yourself as scum in your previous games? i assume you've done some fake scumhunting?
what are the other things that you use to indicate scum?

Well, if i already know who's scum and town, its help to organize things and then use it

I don't know, most that i think of include meta in someway
Like, things that i consider scummy can also be the general playstyle doesn't matter the alignment and i wouldn't know that

can you answer 1751 as well?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Camelcasedsnivy

E-1

Is this accurate?


Dann we need a VC please!

no I just wanted to see if someone tried to hammer

[ketchup777]

how were you able to mask yourself as scum in your previous games? i assume you've done some fake scumhunting?
what are the other things that you use to indicate scum?

Well, if i already know who's scum and town, its help to organize things and then use it

I don't know, most that i think of include meta in someway
Like, things that i consider scummy can also be the general playstyle doesn't matter the alignment and i wouldn't know that

can you answer 1751 as well?

Yes i'm working on that, sorry

sure, no rush (:

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Camelcasedsnivy

E-1

Is this accurate?


Dann we need a VC please!

no I just wanted to see if someone tried to hammer

My bad. I foiled your plan.

all good, mango and hem were the only ones who afaik hadn’t had a chance to hammer yet. not that this was a hammer chance, but it’ll do for now

[ketchup777]

and they beat you here soo

[ketchup777]

afaik camel is at e-2 (me, you, flush)

[ketchup777]

the day deadline is fast approaching peoples

[ketchup777]

zach and Mango we need you on this camel wagon

[ketchup777]

Voting off KJQ would be the worst idea ever

[ketchup777]

Voting off KJQ would be the worst idea ever

I’m not trying to fall on my sword, I just want something to move. At least if I get votes, it might provide us with info/insight. I really don’t know what to do to move forward from here. It feels like a stalemate.

yeah I agree we’ve reached an impasse yet zach‘s unvote seemed temporary and then we just need Jackson/purple to get the wagon through

if we get to 24h left and still no lim we could be in trouble

but I really don’t want to vote you out

[ketchup777]

my current solve is hem+camel, but mango could be in there too

[ketchup777]

what’s the harm in limming mango day 2?

[ketchup777]

hmm ok thanks that could be true

[ketchup777]

Hi! I will comment when I’m able but I’ve been in the hospital all day with what turns out to be appendicitis lol so I guess I have to deal with that.

aah! I hope you’re ok and you don’t miss your appendix too much!

[ketchup777]

clearly, this was a sabotage attempt from the mafia and zach is town now

[ketchup777]

they thought zach would replace out and further destroy the gamestate, but no! zach is a town hero! a champion! they could never have predicted the perseverance and dedication underlying! o glory! o hark! May we today worship our town saviour, Zachheus!

[ketchup777]

i really don't townread that

Townread what?

How did you get to the thread so fastttttt

[ketchup777]

This wagon is anything but easy lol I’ve been trying to get this lim for a week.

we‘ve* ):

[ketchup777]

i really don't townread that

Townread what?

How did you get to the thread so fastttttt

serious question btw

[ketchup777]

me and kjq scum would be a blast

[ketchup777]

but it is not so

[ketchup777]

do you have a genuine concern it’s us?

[ketchup777]

yeah of course

my lim pool is {JacksonVirgo, Purplemango, zachheus}

im so
v a l i d a t e d

ketchup and kjq wont be scum scumreading me and then agreeing to something i just said. i don't think that's within the range of possibilities. one of them has to be town.

doesn’t seem to add up

[ketchup777]

‚Thete might be one scum here', not, we are paired scum

[ketchup777]

'There*

[ketchup777]

Yeah, it’s definitely 2 of the 8 people besides yourself. Solid read lol

lmao savageeee

[ketchup777]

why are you beginning to make fun of my reads now?

might be implies at least one

I don’t think so

'might be one of my first two [of three] are bad' suggests you think the third would be scum and one of us is scum. Not that we are paired

[ketchup777]

hmmmm

[ketchup777]

sus

[ketchup777]

did you read the game before or after you repped in hem

[ketchup777]

Scum implicates purple, ydra, hem, jack
Town implicates SF, me, ketchup, hem in a different way

Zach feels null to either.

I don’t WANT to scumread hem but it’s just weird to be so certain about something he can’t know. I don’t get him at all.

If camel scum, KJQ, Zach, flush town based off interactions. idk what to conclude if camel town

[ketchup777]

first person to hammer gets my doctor shot tonight!

[ketchup777]

hot take: i think that mango can be sorted later

so you are consigned to being hammered?

[ketchup777]

mine

yours

[ketchup777]

also @kjq, its kinda tough to convince yall when the starting conditions were already against me AND that i had claimed so youre going to end up using that reasoning instead

you have had a rubbish position and I’m sorry you wasted time reading the thread only to be hammered anyway but has to be done methinks

[ketchup777]

hot take: i think that mango can be sorted later

so you are consigned to being hammered?

lol no, i still want one of you/kjq/jv, theres probably only one scum in there since you + kjq are too obvious and jv is actively pushing for your elimination

well it’s not me

[ketchup777]

hot take: i think that mango can be sorted later

so you are consigned to being hammered?

lol no, i still want one of you/kjq/jv, theres probably only one scum in there since you + kjq are too obvious and jv is actively pushing for your elimination

medoubts any of us are viable lims today

[ketchup777]

how was your tennis?

[ketchup777]

worst part is i still think hem is the only towny person in this game

pedit barely didnt make varsity which sucks

ahh that sucks rip ):

[ketchup777]

did you have any murderous thoughts upon hearing that news

[ketchup777]

hmm

[ketchup777]

tick tock

[ketchup777]

the arena's a clock

[ketchup777]

i am going insane

[ketchup777]

the arena's a clock

I want to be like "hunger games!!" Then say something related but I really have no idea so imagine as if I did it

hunger games yeah (:

love the hunger games

[ketchup777]

dann is going to run out of flavour if we drag today out any longer

[ketchup777]

if camel scum, flush+zach+kjq town

plz say I wake up to a locked thread and red flip

[ketchup777]

woah

[ketchup777]

that's fortunate was not expecting ydrasse out

[ketchup777]

i mean rip ofc

[ketchup777]

so as a kill occurred, jailkeeper counts as a cop. and tracker is almost a cop. and cop is a cop. i propose we hypoclaim innos to protect our PRs. (we all say "If I'm a PR, I got an inno on ___"). if its mason/mason not much is lost, the only downside i can see is if someone hypos an inno on scum they can deduce that person is not tracker/jailkeeper/cop, but its only a minor loss, I feel? obviously if someone gets a guilty tonight or tomorrow night we still have enough breathing room to win so a guilty should claim. thoughts on hypoclaiming?

[ketchup777]

got a guilty last night or gets one tomorrow night**

[ketchup777]

if we want time to settle in to today, that's fine too

[ketchup777]

hard pass on the hypoclaiming. it gives scum information on who the vts/non-cops are if they see a vt claiming inno on the scum. this will eliminate some options. if they shot ydrasse, they might be desperate for info.

mm its a tradeoff i dont know if its worth it

[ketchup777]

so as a kill occurred, jailkeeper counts as a cop. and tracker is almost a cop. and cop is a cop. i propose we hypoclaim innos to protect our PRs. (we all say "If I'm a PR, I got an inno on ___"). if its mason/mason not much is lost, the only downside i can see is if someone hypos an inno on scum they can deduce that person is not tracker/jailkeeper/cop, but its only a minor loss, I feel? obviously if someone gets a guilty tonight or tomorrow night we still have enough breathing room to win so a guilty should claim. thoughts on hypoclaiming?

What’s hypoclaiming?

afaik we all say "if im a PR, i have an inno on __". then if we have an invetsigative PR that dies tonight we know their hypoclaim is also innocent

[ketchup777]

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

[ketchup777]

hi i did some purple research

[ketchup777]

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

purple town game (never voted) viewtopic.php?p=13915549&f=51&t=91644&u ... #p13915549

purple scum game (voted in RVS) viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92450&user_select%5B%5D=37200

this game he has never voted

so townlean

[ketchup777]

In purple's towngame, which I think was his first ever game onsite, hid first message was "Hii:) Why do u vote people who hasn't talk yet?"

so its clear town!purple thinks voting early is bad, which would conform with his play this game

[ketchup777]

Ydrasse was going to be in my pool for today though so I need to reevaluate

[ketchup777]

Was he ever a counterwagon possibility though?

yeah for sure, some people actively tried to counterwagon him off right?

[ketchup777]

what do you make of both me and you being alive KJQ?

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

VC 1.FINAL

Cold As Ice

camelCasedSnivy [5]:

KayJayQueue, ketchup777, StraightFlush, zachheus, Ydrasse <<< ELIMINATION

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, JacksonVirgo

JacksonVirgo [1]:

camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-08 05:08:16).

Mod Notes:

sorry! I fell asleep

VC 1.17

Roxanne

camelCasedSnivy [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, camelCasedSnivy

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

ketchup777 [1]:

ketchup777

Not Voting [2]:

Purplemango, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

camelCasedSnivy replaces skitter30.

VC 1.16

Test Drive

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [3]:

Purplemango, ketchup777, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.15

Jolene

skitter30 [4]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.14

Mafia Discussion is a sub-forum where people can discuss all aspects of Mafia, from town play, to scum play, to jester play. Over the years, there have been a number of discussions, guides, and yes, even arguments over the various facets of Mafia play. Turns out, everyone approaches the game a little differently.

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777

ketchup777 [1]:

JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

lots of purple counterwagon attempts, i think at least some of the momentum here was scum motivated

[ketchup777]

If camel was town, I was all too ready to vote out purple. but now I am not

[ketchup777]

Ydrasse was going to be in my pool for today though so I need to reevaluate

Mine too honestly so the kill is kinda odd. I feel like scum knows you and I are probably cleared and we’d be pushing those off the wagon. Unless they were sure (incorrectly) ydra had a PR, killing her was a bad idea because if scum didn’t vote their partner, the pool is small. She was the only vote on snivy that we could really see as sus.

i think it was probs a mix of PR hunting and fearing they hit a protect

[ketchup777]

anyway, i dont think we need to rush today. not drag it out to the extent day 1 was, but we should at least wait to see if someone comes in with a guilty, right?

[ketchup777]

that being said I back myself

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[ketchup777]

Honestly a mass claim with info isn’t a bad idea. We have the numbers. If we get 3 PR claims, we just kill the lesser important one, good one gets killed by scum, we kill the one left and we win. If they claim VT, we can do the same thing and we still have both PRs alive so one would survive the night for sure. We already have it narrowed down. Claiming might just make our win a sure thing in the next 2 days if not tonight.

i wasnt suggesting a massclaim. idk about that

[ketchup777]

there is no chance scum counterclaim PR, so we just out both our PRs. we can at least wait until tomorrow to do that

[ketchup777]

assuming we even have 2 PRs

[ketchup777]

assuming we even have 2 PRs

I did some analysis in the night. Looking in at the goon flip if you are VT (I make no assertion as to whether I am or not, just in terms of assuming you have no info about PRs), it's 50% we are in the C column of setups, and 25% A column 25% B column. I can explain why if need be. That means it's 33% we only have 1 PR

[ketchup777]

We could have masons which would clear 2 more people immediately. Especially if they’re in the lim pool.

whats the rush to clear masons now? if one is brought up to a claim they can claim it then

[ketchup777]

assuming we even have 2 PRs

I did some analysis in the night. Looking in at the goon flip if you are VT (I make no assertion as to whether I am or not, just in terms of assuming you have no info about PRs), it's 50% we are in the C column of setups, and 25% A column 25% B column. I can explain why if need be. That means it's 33% we only have 1 PR

I just assumed we had 2. Nevermind what I said then.

yea no look at C1 and C2

[ketchup777]

its 50% we are in C column because of restricted choice of the goon flip.

If goon/RB, goon flips first 50%
If goon/rolecop, goon flips first 50%
If goon/goon, goon always flips first

so of the 6 day 1 scum flips, 4/6 are goon flips, and 2 of those 4 are goon/goon (C column)

[ketchup777]

assuming we even have 2 PRs

I did some analysis in the night. Looking in at the goon flip if you are VT (I make no assertion as to whether I am or not, just in terms of assuming you have no info about PRs), it's 50% we are in the C column of setups, and 25% A column 25% B column. I can explain why if need be. That means it's 33% we only have 1 PR

I just assumed we had 2. Nevermind what I said then.

yea no look at C1 and C2

I retract my strategy and don’t want to claim.

cool

[ketchup777]

yeah lets not massclaim, i thought hypoclaim could be ok but i dont know if its worth the risk

[ketchup777]

its 50% we are in C column because of restricted choice of the goon flip.

If goon/RB, goon flips first 50%
If goon/rolecop, goon flips first 50%
If goon/goon, goon always flips first

so of the 6 day 1 scum flips, 4/6 are goon flips, and 2 of those 4 are goon/goon (C column)

i think this makes sense

[ketchup777]

Halfasleep votes: ketchup, HA, KJQ, JV, HA, UV, DragonEater(hem)

Skitter30 votes: Jackson (come back to post 671, could be spewing), Flush, Jackson, Purple

Camel votes (could be more harm than good to look into this too deeply but for completeness): JV (oh that’s it… ok. Well! I feel camel probably doesn’t try to last ditch onto his scum partner, probably )

[ketchup777]

I’ll analyse that later

[ketchup777]

scum shooting on camel wagon mildly suggests that the scum is off wagon, I think.

[ketchup777]

But a bus is possible ofc

[ketchup777]

your appendix ok?

[ketchup777]

jackson better turn up with a redcheck

[ketchup777]

jackson better turn up with a redcheck

…why would he be able to do this? Did I miss something yesterday?

just hoping (:

[ketchup777]

your appendix ok?

They took it out and I'm recovering well!

yay! that’s good to hear

[ketchup777]

Because I think it’s insane for HEM to suggest I’m more sus after D1 than he is. He discounted me the entire time I was trying to get scum eliminated and now can’t even admit I was right and he was wrong, instead he finds a new way to discount my actions. I’m over it.

wanna join me on a hem wagon?

[ketchup777]

jackson better turn up with a redcheck

…why would he be able to do this? Did I miss something yesterday?

That’s sketchy as f*ck to just say ngl
just hoping (:

why? You said we were waiting on people to check in (it’s just Jackson we‘re waiting on I’m pretty sure). I was just praying for the best

[ketchup777]

Is it not sketchy of you to ask why I said that, trying to hunt our PRs?

[ketchup777]

Because I think it’s insane for HEM to suggest I’m more sus after D1 than he is. He discounted me the entire time I was trying to get scum eliminated and now can’t even admit I was right and he was wrong, instead he finds a new way to discount my actions. I’m over it.

wanna join me on a hem wagon?

No I’m not sold on him being scum, I’m just frustrated that he’s working against us since I don’t see how you or I could be seen as partnered in any way with snivy’s slot.

sure

[ketchup777]

Is it not sketchy of you to ask why I said that, trying to hunt our PRs?

No like you might’ve just I slipped but it could also be conf bias and it’s unlikely and it’s driving me nuts

how would I have known if Jackson is a PR?

[ketchup777]

Is it not sketchy of you to ask why I said that, trying to hunt our PRs?

No like you might’ve just I slipped but it could also be conf bias and it’s unlikely and it’s driving me nuts

how would I have known if Jackson is a PR?

Cmiiw but looking at the setup, the only PRs that could redcheck off the Ydra kill are tracker and cop, but there’s a 50% chance that one of those roles would be in the setup with a mafia rolecop, so if you’re that then you could know something

I was gauging how long it would take you to say rolecop.

are you a rolecop?

[ketchup777]

im not asking you to claim cop, I was wondering how you got to the idea I could be a Rolecop so quickly, suggesting perhaps that

you

are a rolecop. Maybe

[ketchup777]

Sorry, I‘ve been misunderstood. I wasn’t asking anyone to claim. See 2035

[ketchup777]

Or I used basic logic that’s obtainable from looking at the setups that the OP so graciously shows?

Sure. I was just wondering why it was at the forefront of your mind. I’ll let it go for now

[ketchup777]

I don’t think zach and skitter were paired, a lot of zach‘s efforts were anti-skitter. e.g. 333, 938, 1240...

I don't think purple was paired with skitter/camel, because the purple counterwagons felt scum-motivated and not like a bus. also ydrasse had shown unwillingness to vote mango so mango killing ydrasse feels odd.


From 1218, it feels skitter was pushing flush for info in a not very SvS way, however this is a weak read.


From 215, KJQ coming up with a nickname for halfasleep feels like not SvS, because if they shared a scum PT KJQ might have asked there if she had a nickname she preferred to go by. Also KJQ and I just megapushed camel yesterday to ensure the lim which helps us look good, methinks.

its not me

this would leave my pool in jackson/hem, maybe flush.

[ketchup777]

Halfasleep votes: ketchup, HA, KJQ, JV, HA, UV, DragonEater(hem)

Skitter30 votes: Jackson (come back to post 671, could be spewing), Flush, Jackson, Purple

Camel votes (could be more harm than good to look into this too deeply but for completeness): JV (oh that’s it… ok. Well! I feel camel probably doesn’t try to last ditch onto his scum partner, probably )

so camelslot voted everyone except ydrasse and zach. hmm

[ketchup777]

VC 1.0

Don't Stop Me Now

Not Voting [9]:

KayJayQueue, halfasleep, ketchup777, Ydrasse, zachheus, JacksonVirgo, DragonEater70, Purplemango, StraightFlush

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Ok i'm at like
Ketchup
Dragon

Purple/zach/ydra -> null
Kayjay/straight
Jackson

VOTE: jackson

I think ketchup has been obvtown as discussed
I really like dragon trying to move the game out of rvs + trying to get wagons moving, generally feels like a +town approach to me

Don't like jackson's back-and-forth with dragon, at all, and their rvs felt somewhat forced to me

I don't reallt like kayjay's ydra vote, and there was something else that pinged me that i have to go back and find

Straight is kind of ~around post-rvs but doesn't have so much content, and kept making meme votes, which i feel like is generally scummy positioning but tbh in this game maybe it isnt so bad, would like to see some content tho

I think me and jackson are somewhat cleared from this post. feel skitter would put her partner not at one of the extremes of her readslist

[ketchup777]

I’m not taking purple out of contention yet.

thats fair

[ketchup777]

my reads are subject to change and i dont trust myself enough to ever fully clear anyone

[ketchup777]

i just think there are better places to lim, today at least

[ketchup777]

Idt Zach’s posting about camelslot is town!AI at all, as a new scummie who just wants to blend in you’d probably rush to a bus if it seemed loke your partner was doomed. And indeed, Zach’s anti-CS posts came well after the anti-CS sentiments made themselves known

Maybe too meta to be a good reading of things but it’s worth considering

yep, it's possible. just wanted to dump some thoughts I had

[ketchup777]

Yo so I totally knew snivy was a wolf I was just trolling

hehe

[ketchup777]

ah yeah i didn't even think about NKA

[ketchup777]

jackson better turn up with a redcheck

Even better! I'm turning up with my goated brain

ermm yep that’s totally better! can’t wait for you to track down the scummies!

[ketchup777]

I’m extremely paranoid about ketchup rn so that might’ve been overreach. But what’s done is done, I’d love to do better mechsolving but two vanilla flips makes it hard

WHATS DONE IS DONE IS LITERALLY A MACBETH QUOTE OMG HES A SERIAL KILLER

VOTE: flush

[ketchup777]

(;

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

I want to at least gather my thoughts before we commit to someone, though

[ketchup777]

i know but that’s already E-2 if I vote there

[ketchup777]

i know but that’s already E-2 if I vote there

I don't see any issues with putting someone at E-2, only benefits

hmm maybe

[ketchup777]

KJ my reads are on this spectrum

TOWN
HEM
Jackson
Purple
Zach
KJQ
Ketchup
SCUM

oh no that is horrendous

[ketchup777]

VOTE: flush

[ketchup777]

You still think ketchup and I are most likely scum? Literally how.

Carryover from D1 and flips didn’t change much, not a lot to say

the fact that the slot we were actively pushing for a week was scum did not change much?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: KayJayQueue

I’m so sick of this shit

Why not me?

[ketchup777]

To be even more clear. From my perspective, HEM wasn't playing in a way to gather people to his wagon. He was and has been from pretty much the start of the game just casually trodding on through trying to solve the game when even myself at the time was barraging him for shit that didn't really matter. He was trying to solve the game, I can feel it in my BONES babe

not gonna stop a snivy elimination, but i still think purple is the best elimination and i think i have the numbers anyway.

hem, snivy, jv, ydrasse, ketchup if it's also in his solve, kjq if she wants an elimination, and a forced hammer.

It felt like he was kind of trying to gather people?

[ketchup777]

Ketchup should vote flush and then we can get a claim.

are we sure we want to do this?

[ketchup777]

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Flush

Back to this on e

VOTE: flush

Fine, whatever. Let’s flip SF then.

VOTE: StraightFlush

E-1

[ketchup777]

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

if I were scum I probably wouldn’t have pointed this out (;

[ketchup777]

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

If the consensus is on-wagon, I know it’s not me. I was fighting a losing battle asking people to still consider purple so this has to be our next move.

I trust you. In time you will trust me (:

[ketchup777]

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

If the consensus is on-wagon, I know it’s not me. I was fighting a losing battle asking people to still consider purple so this has to be our next move.

I trust you. In time you will trust me (:

I do trust you

aw yay!

[ketchup777]

@flush claim time

[ketchup777]

ok

[ketchup777]

Not sure what to think but I won't be hammering. I have to go back and read things but I'm busy for the night sorry

yeah let’s not hammer until flush claims unless they outright refuse

[ketchup777]

Ketchup, how strong is your purple read?

strong enough to keep flush at E-1

[ketchup777]

Or maybe zach should still be considered idkkkk

[ketchup777]

Or maybe zach should still be considered idkkkk

Ah yes, this is the behavior of an extremely confident and self-assured individual

I’m not thaaaaat confident on you but if you claim VT I feel like if we speedlim you off here and our PR(s) can survive one more night we are hard chilling. Or you could be scum

[ketchup777]

Every non-Mason setup has a way to generate clears each night, so I want us to get through today, assuming flush isn’t PR. Scum clearly didn’t know who was PR last night and if we don’t offer anything new up today, they will still be guessing tonight. If our PRs survive tonight, we must have at least 2 conftown into final 5, potentially more. Then we only need to vote the right 2 out of the remaining 3 and we win. Or if it’s not Mason Mason we may well get 3 clears. This seems good

[ketchup777]

I feel Flush has been acting extremely opportunistic all day so far. He first jumped on Ketchup for that PR stuff. Then onto Kay when we had a disagreement of sorts. And now shading Zach.

Yeah I can see that

[ketchup777]

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

[ketchup777]

wolf*

[ketchup777]

omg pagetop

[ketchup777]

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

Just take me out, you already pretty much did considering your old post with Snivy and me

Which old post?

[ketchup777]

Aint no way you said zachson

((((:

[ketchup777]

no way josé

[ketchup777]

im n2 vigilante and you’re getting shot bam bam

[ketchup777]

(for legal reasons this was not a serious claim)

[ketchup777]

I'm actually N2 bulletproof N3 homing missile (kills scum nmw)

damm, lucky

[ketchup777]

(for legal reasons this was not a serious claim)

Everyone already figured out you and I are the masons. Why hide it behind fake claims!

shhhhh we‘re not claiming yet

[ketchup777]

NKA is me assuming Ydrasse was a low-info kill because the scum liked the position they assumed D2 would start with. Which I would assume is exactly what is happening

I’ll comment on it then.

This is an interesting theory. I think it’s possible scum thought that since Ydrasse is an experienced player, her lying low could have suggested a PR (I hate this like of analysis yet other people seem to like it sooo…). Also they feared shooting me/KJQ in case we were protected. trying to work out which scumteam (A, B or C) it comes from I suppose

[ketchup777]

MMm yum purple ketchup

god crumb my dude

[ketchup777]

Nah purple/ketchup are the masons

They used to sell purple ketchup in the store.

seriously? that’s so cursed

[ketchup777]

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

Replace Jack with purple and that’s where I’m at.

replace? why not just add purple in. do you really 100% think it’s not jackson?

[ketchup777]

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

Replace Jack with purple and that’s where I’m at.

replace? why not just add purple in. do you really 100% think it’s not jackson?

I think you and Jackson are both in a place where I wouldn’t vote you until it was 3 people left and I’d need some sort of come-to-jesus moment.

brb organising my night kills to get to that ElO

[ketchup777]

NKA is me assuming Ydrasse was a low-info kill because the scum liked the position they assumed D2 would start with. Which I would assume is exactly what is happening

I’ll comment on it then.

This is an interesting theory. I think it’s possible scum thought that since Ydrasse is an experienced player, her lying low could have suggested a PR (I hate this like of analysis yet other people seem to like it sooo…). Also they feared shooting me/KJQ in case we were protected. trying to work out which scumteam (A, B or C) it comes from I suppose

If scum were killing just based on experience, why wasn't HEM or myself shot? We were all on a similar enough wavelength, why shoot the person easiest to actually eliminate. Chances are it wasn't because of a PR-read because to shoot Ydrasse, I would assume they would have to be pretty confident and it just was wrong so idk. My mind is going straight to low-info shot because nobody was really focusing them at all to any reasonable degree.

I think neither Purple nor Zach makes that kill. I don't think Kay does either. HEM doesn't make that kill, nor do I (I'd have killed Kay here). The remainder is you/flush

Ydrasse had the combo of r xperience and lying low. You and hem have not lied low (good, stay active! you are doing well and are on the money!).
In my first game, thomith‘s mini normal, I read mafia PT and outworlder pushed for the Delta kill because he was confident Delta was PR, yet he was wrong there. It’s possible a similar thing happened here.

I hadn’t really thought about who I would NK but to do a beacon of honesty I’ll think about it here now, assuming I didn’t know which of the 9 setups it was which is obviously not going to be true but anyway).

I would probably avoid killing kay. If I were a protective, kay is who I would protect. I might go for you, jackson, to shake things up and I don’t think you would be protected.

[ketchup777]

He’s admitted it, the plan we came up with in our private chat worked ketchup!

niceeeee. rip jackson

[ketchup777]

ok guys revelation with camel flipping town Dragon‘s iso actually looks towny now

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:
im not fully convinced flush is who I want, may come back if things happen

[ketchup777]

hellooooo?

[ketchup777]

hellooooo?

You backed off so now he won’t claim. Who would you rather vote?

maybe zach or I might come back to flush tomorrow i just wanted to see some stuff from zach and purple today before we blasted flush

[ketchup777]

I don’t thiiiink it’s jackson

[ketchup777]

argh

VOTE: flush

[ketchup777]

i just think there are better places to lim, today at least

Who would you prefer to vote out right now?

Zach or Flush, but will check over Jackson and hem again at some point.

[ketchup777]

For Zach i just need to work out if it’s the

Mafia 1-Shot Appendicitisiser[/color=red] in play or the

Mafia Goon With A Faulty Appendix

. Both appear similar on the surface yet are wildly different.

[ketchup777]

that wasn’t all meant to be in red but whatever

[ketchup777]

Scum are multitasking

[ketchup777]

on srs note Zach was online just before the d2 start which could suggest curiosity as to who’s the NK. But it could also be scum trying to see if they hit a PR so probs NAI

[ketchup777]

omg i blooped 2222 lets goooo

[ketchup777]

road to 3333

[ketchup777]

on srs note Zach was online just before the d2 start which could suggest curiosity as to who’s the NK. But it could also be scum trying to see if they hit a PR so probs NAI

Can we keep angleshoots like this out of the game pls thx

?

[ketchup777]

ik i messed up I’m back on flush nowwww

[ketchup777]

who would join me on a zach wagon?

[ketchup777]

Try it and find out!

VOTE: zach

[ketchup777]

What a strange question to pose at the present moment! I’m sure it’s entirely innocuous and NAI.

What are you talking about?

2246! The timing of it sets off so many alarm bells in my head that I think I’m going deaf.

I’m not opposed to zachwagoning in a vacuum, but this just feels like a scum ploy for claim information from a notably low-info slot.

I agree it’s bad, but I think it was just Kay not fully thinking through the consequences of it.

(Zach‘s answer could imply as to whether he is a PR or not)

[ketchup777]

Well I preferred your claim but ketchup couldn’t commit. I’m not scum I’m just trying to solve this damn game and since I’ve been forced into a pool of you, Zach and ketchup, it’s not much to go on. And nothing is happening. And I have a feeling we’re just going to mislim and get no info out of it. Jack is more sure it’s you so I’d rather vote you since I don’t have as strong of a read. And I still sus purple.

I would hammer if Flush is at E-1, unless Flush promises to claim at some point. I just think whatever Flush is he won’t claim until like the very end of the day.

If Flush VT, he doesn’t want to claim because then we hammer
If Flush scum, if he claims VT he dead, if he fakeclaims PR there is no way he can win, at best he stalls a day.
If flush PR, he is trying desperately to pivot onto someone else before claiming, which like, fair enough.

Purple, this is to you: will you vote Flush with me? No way I want you to be limmed today, yet that is a danger. or if you won’t vote flush, who will you vote; you can’t not vote forever, please, help us.

Zach, I am willing to work with you if you will compromise on Flush.

hem, I am glad we are together now, but I am still in an uncomfortable position today. Everyone has done towny things, and it’s tough seeing it go between Zach/Flush/Purple, 3 of my top town reads. Not much point to this message, just letting you know my position I guess.

KJ, I will come back to Flush if need be. I promise. As Flush won’t claim until we give him some kind of time limit, I would rather you or I or Jackson were the person with hammer authority, and Mango put Flush to E-1. then I can give Flush some kind of time limit, like 50 hours to defend himself, then I will decide if I force him to claim, and if he doesn’t claim 24 hours after that, I will hammer him.

Jackson, I know that we are on the same page. While we have each had our pfn different ways of thinking of things, hopefully we can win this for town, if you are town.

Flush, i get that you don’t want to claim yet, but today I will not vote KJQ, nor will I vote Mango. I know you also have me as scummy, but if you want to save yourself here, please think hard about whether zach is town or scum.


Pedit: no jackson noooo

[ketchup777]

oops that turned out kinda long

[ketchup777]

wagoning me is not the play people

[ketchup777]

holy heck

[ketchup777]

well this is awkward

[ketchup777]

I’m going to read the entire jackson post once through, then reread it and answer it after that

[ketchup777]

I thought Jackson was memevoting me I’m scared

[ketchup777]

You are at E-1 too btw, do with that what you will

Yes, I saw. I won’t rush into anything

[ketchup777]

But thanks

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup777

eh? I thought you townread me. what is this vote?

[ketchup777]

hi
don’t hammer me
thanks

[ketchup777]

Just please, please, please, don’t speedhammer me rn. I assure you there is nothing to gain and everything to lose. I want to make a proper reply, and I assure you I will save myself. Even if you think I’m scum, just like, hold it, hold it, I promise taking me out here is bad

[ketchup777]

I don’t know who that’s addressed to, but, yeah

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup777

eh? I thought you townread me. what is this vote?

2209 - you and Flush were my two next considerations if purple were to flip as town. If people won't do purple then this is my logical next step especially as Flush has already been wagoned

Ah ok. My problem with you is you are always getting behind someone and never producing many ideas of your own.

I am not trying to divert, I just saw these pop up. I’ll get back to reading Jackson’s now

[ketchup777]

I am reading it, i am, im just conscious of how long it takes and am scared someone gets in before I can make my reply. I’m just nervous this is the closest I’ve been to being limmed

[ketchup777]

anyway, I am reading it, and I’ll shut up now

[ketchup777]

I appreciate the effort you’ve put in and I’m so sorry you’re wrong tho

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup777

eh? I thought you townread me. what is this vote?

2209 - you and Flush were my two next considerations if purple were to flip as town. If people won't do purple then this is my logical next step especially as Flush has already been wagoned

Ah ok. My problem with you is you are always getting behind someone and never producing many ideas of your own.

I am not trying to divert, I just saw these pop up. I’ll get back to reading Jackson’s now

like you obviously didnt have time to read jacksons post you just saw big post and went boom wagon
flush's vote also sus

i finished reading jacksons post, i made some notes to myself as i go, but i will get a reply going now. ideally i can get something out before 1am

[ketchup777]

sidenote am i allowed to ask if someone would have intent to hammer me before i claim? if my wagon is stalled here i dont want to claim unnesecarily

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup777

eh? I thought you townread me. what is this vote?

2209 - you and Flush were my two next considerations if purple were to flip as town. If people won't do purple then this is my logical next step especially as Flush has already been wagoned

Ah ok. My problem with you is you are always getting behind someone and never producing many ideas of your own.

I am not trying to divert, I just saw these pop up. I’ll get back to reading Jackson’s now

like you obviously didnt have time to read jacksons post you just saw big post and went boom wagon
flush's vote also sus

i finished reading jacksons post, i made some notes to myself as i go, but i will get a reply going now. ideally i can get something out before 1am

I did read it lol what is this??? How insulting to my intelligence. Go type your post

you voted 4 minutes after it, what?

[ketchup777]

ok fine, I don't want anyone to think I'm scum drafting up some wild fakeclaim by stalling. it's obvious that scum claiming any PR here instaloses. i hope as scum i could get out of this, maybe claiming VT or maybe not claiming or whatever (whoops jackson i am thinking of scum again ): ), so, i'll just take the day survival my role gives me as I can't stand to not claim and see myself hammered overnight and my inno is lost too.

Hi, I'm jailkeeper. n1 I jailkept Purple. It is not me and it is not purple. Obviously, there are no other protectives, so by revealing this I seal my fate tonight. I can now speak with more honesty about my actions today:

I saw the danger of today going towards Purple, so, reluctantly, yes, voted on the Flush wagon. I have Flush as townleanish, but rather vote a townlean than let a conftown, who may not have a claim to save himself, die, imo. I was hoping I could do this without having to out myself, and I wasn't fully decided if I was going to out myself if Mango got to E-1. But oh I did not see this coming lol. Then I thought Zach might actually go through, and, again, rather vote a townlean than a conftown. If we could just get through today with me surviving, it should be good.

I think I made it too obvious I had an inno on purple today, sorry if I messed this up. Obviously, Kay, you were right to be confused why I was refusing to vote Purple, but I'm glad you understand now.

I thought Jackson understood, with posts like the one I answered in 2140 I thought he had realised I cleared Purple, and was going to help steer it away from Purple. But with this latest development I am confused. I am hoping this is not C2 setup (where I am only useful PR), if it is, I'm sorry, but I thought if I didnt claim I was getting wagoned.

I don't think there can be any doubt, but I will find all the posts today where I hinted I had an inno on Purple next post. If there is somehow any doubt, you will see my flip tonight.

TLDR: I am Jailkeeper. n1 I jailkept Mango, Mango is clear.

please unvote before scum can hammer and thank you gl town beyond today

[ketchup777]

also someone please tell me if, now i've claimed, i should make it known who i will jailkeep tonight or keep it silent

[ketchup777]

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

hi i did some purple research

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

purple town game (never voted) viewtopic.php?p=13915549&f=51&t=91644&u ... #p13915549

purple scum game (voted in RVS) viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92450&user_select%5B%5D=37200

this game he has never voted

so townlean

In purple's towngame, which I think was his first ever game onsite, hid first message was "Hii:) Why do u vote people who hasn't talk yet?"

so its clear town!purple thinks voting early is bad, which would conform with his play this game

Spoiler:

VC 1.FINAL

Cold As Ice

camelCasedSnivy [5]:

KayJayQueue, ketchup777, StraightFlush, zachheus, Ydrasse <<< ELIMINATION

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, JacksonVirgo

JacksonVirgo [1]:

camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-08 05:08:16).

Mod Notes:

sorry! I fell asleep

VC 1.17

Roxanne

camelCasedSnivy [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, camelCasedSnivy

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

ketchup777 [1]:

ketchup777

Not Voting [2]:

Purplemango, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

camelCasedSnivy replaces skitter30.

VC 1.16

Test Drive

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [3]:

Purplemango, ketchup777, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.15

Jolene

skitter30 [4]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.14

Mafia Discussion is a sub-forum where people can discuss all aspects of Mafia, from town play, to scum play, to jester play. Over the years, there have been a number of discussions, guides, and yes, even arguments over the various facets of Mafia play. Turns out, everyone approaches the game a little differently.

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777

ketchup777 [1]:

JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

lots of purple counterwagon attempts, i think at least some of the momentum here was scum motivated

If camel was town, I was all too ready to vote out purple. but now I am not

i just think there are better places to lim, today at least

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

If the consensus is on-wagon, I know it’s not me. I was fighting a losing battle asking people to still consider purple so this has to be our next move.

I trust you. In time you will trust me (:

Ketchup, how strong is your purple read?

strong enough to keep flush at E-1

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

argh

VOTE: flush

either me coming in defending purple or making it obvious i have an inno on purple

[ketchup777]

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

hi i did some purple research

Not Voting [1]: Purplemango

theories on purplemango's non-vote towards the end of the day?

NAI I think

purple town game (never voted) viewtopic.php?p=13915549&f=51&t=91644&u ... #p13915549

purple scum game (voted in RVS) viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92450&user_select%5B%5D=37200

this game he has never voted

so townlean

In purple's towngame, which I think was his first ever game onsite, hid first message was "Hii:) Why do u vote people who hasn't talk yet?"

so its clear town!purple thinks voting early is bad, which would conform with his play this game

Spoiler:

VC 1.FINAL

Cold As Ice

camelCasedSnivy [5]:

KayJayQueue, ketchup777, StraightFlush, zachheus, Ydrasse <<< ELIMINATION

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, JacksonVirgo

JacksonVirgo [1]:

camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-08 05:08:16).

Mod Notes:

sorry! I fell asleep

VC 1.17

Roxanne

camelCasedSnivy [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, camelCasedSnivy

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

ketchup777 [1]:

ketchup777

Not Voting [2]:

Purplemango, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

camelCasedSnivy replaces skitter30.

VC 1.16

Test Drive

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [3]:

Purplemango, ketchup777, Ydrasse

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.15

Jolene

skitter30 [4]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777, JacksonVirgo

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for skitter30.

VC 1.14

Mafia Discussion is a sub-forum where people can discuss all aspects of Mafia, from town play, to scum play, to jester play. Over the years, there have been a number of discussions, guides, and yes, even arguments over the various facets of Mafia play. Turns out, everyone approaches the game a little differently.

Purplemango [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Ydrasse, skitter30

skitter30 [3]:

KayJayQueue, zachheus, ketchup777

ketchup777 [1]:

JacksonVirgo

KayJayQueue [1]:

StraightFlush

Not Voting [1]:

Purplemango

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-04-07 17:08:16).

Mod Notes:

lots of purple counterwagon attempts, i think at least some of the momentum here was scum motivated

If camel was town, I was all too ready to vote out purple. but now I am not

i just think there are better places to lim, today at least

Ah fine let’s just go for it

I am already voting flush

If the consensus is on-wagon, I know it’s not me. I was fighting a losing battle asking people to still consider purple so this has to be our next move.

I trust you. In time you will trust me (:

Ketchup, how strong is your purple read?

strong enough to keep flush at E-1

wolves are in {jackson, zachson, flush, hem}. I just need to get one of you out of this poollll

argh

VOTE: flush

either me coming in defending purple or making it obvious i have an inno on purple

sorry, not making it obvious, to me its obvious, but like, hinting. stuff like 'strong enough to keep flush at E-1' when I know you know jackson that I am not usually that confident in putting someone to E-1 hinting I had other info
'I trust you. In time you will trust me (:'... when I flip or claim as jk
etc etc

[ketchup777]

Why would you fakeclaim PR as a wolf? When you'd just get cc'd and die

exactly. just trying to dispel any doubt. there is no way I would risk having someone come in here and immediately CC me. wifom ig but like no. im not that bad i hope