sorryIn post 2308, JacksonVirgo wrote: Lmfao this is honestly amazing, I love a clean sweep of a game. This is fake
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I was on similar wavelength to Kay, I still had some purple doubtsIn post 2306, JacksonVirgo wrote: I meant why did you block Mango-
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I mean, I'm keeping it. sorry, of course, you dont have to reveal what ypu are. but you cant possibly cc me, becuase, I am jk.In post 2320, JacksonVirgo wrote: Are you backing off from your claim or are you keeping it?-
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im not wolf. sorry if i blew this for usIn post 2322, JacksonVirgo wrote: Lol I know exactly why you did this as a wolf lmfao. Honestly I'm kind of impressed-
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i thought you were wolf but no that doesnt really make sense, you must be gambitting town that i would back down as scum-
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like, if i am scum and purple friendly neighbour tracks me, why do i claim to jaileep them, why not just explain whyi was acting weird to purple? i dont get it-
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i'm sorry, in my notes i had that if i had been tracked n1, my gambit would make sense to the tarcker that i am town doing this. i thought the tracker would understand, and i'm sorry for the massively bad way this turned out. i didnt think that they would think that i was scum doing this. i thought all the other times i would draw the NK here. i worked out that we only had a JK a small amount of the time, majority of the time I die overnight and we nearly always autowin d3. my begs to not be quickhammered were also trying to get people not to rush into a CC.
i messed up
i tried to be helpful, i promise you this was well thought out, and not a last minute selfish decision to save myself. i wanted myself to be the NK tonight. I hope you can win this-
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sorry town, i look like an idiot now. i have nearly 500 messages in my notes PT, a hundred to working out if this claim is worth it. sorry-
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i forgive you for not taking longer on why i did this as town jackson, but please dont rush into a CC immediately again. i hope you can forgive me. i appreciate im not in much of a position to give advice-
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i didnt expect tracker to counterclaim me. i didnt see that coming. (because jk+tracker is a setup). my calculations were that, even when we had a JK, they have a chance to block the kill tonight-
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i decided to go all in that you were scum gambitting me to draw it back, i didnt think i would avoid being hammered by drawing it back, and you had already CCed so it was too lateIn post 2349, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Nah nah nah, there was no way I would ever not counterclaim you here. I gave you an option to back out of it, why didn't you?In post 2345, ketchup777 wrote: i forgive you for not taking longer on why i did this as town jackson, but please dont rush into a CC immediately again. i hope you can forgive me. i appreciate im not in much of a position to give advice-
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yep, i thought i would not be rush counterclaimed by this logic. but here we are. good luck, please pool flush zach i think but maybe it is hem. maybe pool flush hemIn post 2328, StraightFlush wrote: If ketchup is scum I have absolutely no clue why he would claim PR here. Like sure, he's dragging someone else out to CC, but he'd still be the only scum left and essentially ending the game on the spot. Whereas if he claims VT or asks for a hammer delay he could end up in the same position as me with no hammer vote
Pedit: If you're town you have also misplayed horribly ketchup, yes-
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yep i wasnt sure who it was. appreciate the no hard feelings, same for you. my bad. i am townIn post 2352, JacksonVirgo wrote: If you're town, there's no hard feelings here btw. I understand why you would have done it but that's so painful cuz I was doing so well hiding the fact it was me I thought.-
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i knew that mango and ydrasse and the scum werent jailkept. so it was only 4/14 we had a jailkeeper (3/7 jk scenarios not possible). i thought tracker doesnt cc me, this is horrific scenario i overlooked. so it was already around 70% of success,minus a bit for me being rolecopped n1.and I thought it would be the jk ccing me if that happened, so we would have 3 clears (mango, JK, JK's target) going into final 5, which once the smoke cleared, was a win-
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i thought it was worth it, i feel flush and others will scream at me, i promise once again this was well thought-out and not a selfish move to protect myself.-
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yeah its green, zach keeps sheeping others and is the lowest poster ecept purple, only so long he can hide behind being new, please go for himIn post 2365, JacksonVirgo wrote: Zach does look bad for jumping on this when he did. If this is green, it's probably him-
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or jk blocks someone tonightIn post 2360, ketchup777 wrote: i knew that mango and ydrasse and the scum werent jailkept. so it was only 4/14 we had a jailkeeper (3/7 jk scenarios not possible). i thought tracker doesnt cc me, this is horrific scenario i overlooked. so it was already around 70% of success,minus a bit for me being rolecopped n1.and I thought it would be the jk ccing me if that happened, so we would have 3 clears (mango, JK, JK's target) going into final 5, which once the smoke cleared, was a win-
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you have rights to laugh at me in the dead PT.In post 2369, JacksonVirgo wrote: HEM/Flush are likely town. Kay is town. You're dead. I'm dead. Purple is conftown.
It's just zach here-
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ah ok that makes me feel a bit better
sorry you efforted that massive case for nothing, i hope we still win, you guys deserve it-
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at least I was right about you realising I had an inno on Jackson purple.
didnt put together you were tracker-
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whoopsIn post 3, Dannflor wrote:
Do not fake claim a power role as town!While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.
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Mathematically this was the best play. Its funny how its turned out once I get over the sadness-
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ok coolIn post 2381, JacksonVirgo wrote:
It was also used to be more clear about my HEM town-read and also sorta clear flush from my suspicions so it's not completely uselessIn post 2376, ketchup777 wrote:ah ok that makes me feel a bit better
sorry you efforted that massive case for nothing, i hope we still win, you guys deserve it-
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if anyone bored they can spot the two purple friendly neighbour crumbs in this postIn post 2256, ketchup777 wrote:
I would hammer if Flush is at E-1, unless Flush promises to claim at some point. I just think whatever Flush is he won’t claim until like the very end of the day.In post 2252, KayJayQueue wrote: Well I preferred your claim but ketchup couldn’t commit. I’m not scum I’m just trying to solve this damn game and since I’ve been forced into a pool of you, Zach and ketchup, it’s not much to go on. And nothing is happening. And I have a feeling we’re just going to mislim and get no info out of it. Jack is more sure it’s you so I’d rather vote you since I don’t have as strong of a read. And I still sus purple.
If Flush VT, he doesn’t want to claim because then we hammer
If Flush scum, if he claims VT he dead, if he fakeclaims PR there is no way he can win, at best he stalls a day.
If flush PR, he is trying desperately to pivot onto someone else before claiming, which like, fair enough.
Purple, this is to you: will you vote Flush with me? No way I want you to be limmed today, yet that is a danger. or if you won’t vote flush, who will you vote; you can’t not vote forever, please, help us.
Zach, I am willing to work with you if you will compromise on Flush.
hem, I am glad we are together now, but I am still in an uncomfortable position today. Everyone has done towny things, and it’s tough seeing it go between Zach/Flush/Purple, 3 of my top town reads. Not much point to this message, just letting you know my position I guess.
KJ, I will come back to Flush if need be. I promise. As Flush won’t claim until we give him some kind of time limit, I would rather you or I or Jackson were the person with hammer authority, and Mango put Flush to E-1. then I can give Flush some kind of time limit, like 50 hours to defend himself, then I will decide if I force him to claim, and if he doesn’t claim 24 hours after that, I will hammer him.
Jackson, I know that we are on the same page. While we have each had our pfn different ways of thinking of things, hopefully we can win this for town, if you are town.
Flush, i get that you don’t want to claim yet, but today I will not vote KJQ, nor will I vote Mango. I know you also have me as scummy, but if you want to save yourself here, please think hard about whether zach is town or scum.
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In post 933, zachheus wrote:
Agree stronglyIn post 836, ketchup777 wrote:
yup I agree, would be v surprised if not at least one scum in Ydrasse/Dragon/SkitterIn post 828, JacksonVirgo wrote: Flush wagon looking hella awfulIn post 939, zachheus wrote:
Oh, I was agreeing with skitter's assessment of Dragon as town but I don't think skitter is town. I think Dragon was acting in a manner that felt pro-town at the beginning but I didn't really like the spinning out that StraightFlush so succinctly summarized in 909. I still lean town on Dragon's slot despite that. halfasleep was vaguely scummy to me and the way skitter questioned why someone would even find Dragon suspicious in 755 felt weird because even I as a Dragon supporter this entire time was put off by how they were acting.In post 934, KayJayQueue wrote:In post 930, zachheus wrote:
Still not sure how I feel about you. I agree with skitter saying that Dragon trying to shift out of RVS is something I think feels like a townie move but I also see the argument for the fact that we weren't in RVS for a long period of real time.In post 679, KayJayQueue wrote: Zach, Purple - thoughts on the last few pages?
I know you both had reasons for inactivity so this is just more of gentle push for any reads you guys might have gleaned.
You went from agreeing with skitter and DE being town to strongly agreeing there is scum amongst the 3 on the flush wagon. I like the trajectory of your read but I’d love a bit more explanation on how you got there.In post 933, zachheus wrote:
Agree stronglyIn post 836, ketchup777 wrote:
yup I agree, would be v surprised if not at least one scum in Ydrasse/Dragon/SkitterIn post 828, JacksonVirgo wrote: Flush wagon looking hella awful
Ydrasse I'm uncertain about.
StraightFlush feels quite town to meIn post 1242, zachheus wrote:
The bolded is a very good point I hadn't considered.In post 1240, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I agree with you, I’m a little back and forth with ketchup as there’s posts that would be a stretch to traditionally call scummy, theres some form ofIn post 1180, humaneatingmonkey wrote: yes i have kjq. i have a bind on both you and ketchup. one of you has to be town.
potency to his push on dragon that feels forced
looking back that I wanted to iso him for but never got the chance or effort. For the things that I would consider too weird to be posted from scum I don’t think that’s necessarily true for him.He absorbs plays like a sponge, he has put into practice one of my subtle plays at one point I don’t believe it’s a stretch he does more hidden under the guise of a huge fluff poster (I know he has a lot of content, but as a playstyle he also posts a lot of fluff)In post 1347, zachheus wrote:
For what it's worth, I agree with your analysis entirelyIn post 1332, KayJayQueue wrote: A purple wagon starting after I give an in-depth analysis on him, yet no actual response to that post. So what prompted the purple vote specifically?In post 2009, zachheus wrote:
Agree. It reads like you're gloatingIn post 2006, StraightFlush wrote: Kay chill the heck out, you’re unbelievably tunneled rn. This won’t lead to productive discussion, we have to consider the bus idea seriouslyIn post 2210, zachheus wrote:
I can get behind thisIn post 2186, humaneatingmonkey wrote: i want to use the space we have to eliminate purplemango's slot. he was "on-wagon" in spirit, but didn't commit - which is even scummier. the next on-wagon elimination in the similar theme is zach. only then do i want to touch ketchup or straightflush as their involvement in the game yields so much more information, and i expect that it will yield much more if they get to stay in the game with us.
VOTE: Purplemango
zach does a LOT of agreeing and sheeping. it might be zach. i think go for zachIn post 2240, zachheus wrote: Yeah I disagree that purple was fully off the bus. He was there in spirit and that's still relevant
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could be slip that she is loving the fact that our town PRs are being outedIn post 2324, zachheus wrote:
I'm loving it and I'm caught upIn post 2321, StraightFlush wrote: HEM/purple are gonna have a hell of a time reading this back, jesus christ-
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youve got thisss and if you mislim tomorrow youll make it to ElOIn post 2390, KayJayQueue wrote:
That’s too much to ask lolIn post 2389, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Win the game for meIn post 2388, KayJayQueue wrote: Jack what do I do after you die tonight?-
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i think look back at voting patterns and interractions with halfasleep/skitter/camel-
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time to sleepIn post 2396, JacksonVirgo wrote: Time to play some Factorio-
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smooth!In post 2405, KayJayQueue wrote: Well obviously I don’t have cool powers!!-
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you were like innocent child it’s fineIn post 2405, KayJayQueue wrote: Well obviously I don’t have cool powers!!-
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It was in fact not clean af I hit our PRs in null tier tho lmaoIn post 354, halfasleep wrote:
now here's a baselessly-chosen towncore that's looking clean af. think you've got the right idea about dragon at any rate.In post 224, ketchup777 wrote: town: straightflush, KJQ, halfasleep
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nice win though everyone, I’m glad you recovered! I’m surprised Flush thought I was baiting something in a doc/tracker setup, but I’ll take it. Purple was certainly a creative nightkill that could’ve worked and at the very least shook things up. With the nightkills seemingly known in advance it looked like flush would’ve been the next lim if he just went for a simple jackson kill anyway.
Zach you played well, I hope you play another game soon!
the HEM track was nice
I understand more now why you CCed me Jackson and I had been maybe too lenient in my notes at the time that I as scum would 'never' fakeclaim JK here. Your angle was that I was fakeclaiming in a fake gambit, which honestly makes sense to think that. so oops. And HEM you are right I didn’t think properly through if purple was tracked (which came to hurt here very much and could’ve been very bad). I’ll be more careful next time I try something like this!
hem+dragon I misread your slot from both of you. so oops that’s on me-
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it’ll be quicker than you think some of the posts are just me screaming in agony over text whether to go through with the fakeclaimIn post 2638, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 139, ketchup777 wrote: 1681 Jackson calling me “Actually insane" oh boy, confrontational Jackson is back, he’s so back
It’s giving me similar vibe flashbacks to when Jackson said my POV was 'actually infuriating' (and we were TvT). So maybe he is town and we are TvTing for a third time (:
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(:In post 6, JacksonVirgo wrote: If ketchup is town... that's a bruh moment right there-
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