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Post #44 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:36 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 32, Aventurine wrote:
Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.
tsawwassen is able to nominate themself while still abiding by their rule. i, however, cannot follow my own rule. this amendment came at implosion's suggestion.
may i ask what the meaning is behind your heal votes? if you do not townread myself and our friend, s 100% meaningless, which i will call them for short, as their legal name is cumbersome.
In post 74, Moros wrote:
from an objective perspective, i think there is a 72% chance that there's scum in the band. from a subjective perspective, i think it's Black.
Why do you think I'm scum?
i think you have felt the most like you want people to townread you.
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Post #114 (isolation #12) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:22 am
Postby Moros »
i don't agree that it's really good. it would be better if 105 didn't look like a conscious attempt at bait. it would be really good if it were more subtle.
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Post #123 (isolation #15) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:36 am
Postby Moros »
16 may makes a joke that the 4 members of the band are scum.
18 i respond to the joke saying that the setup is unfair with only 5 town.
19 black takes this seriously.
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Post #146 (isolation #22) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:11 am
Postby Moros »
In post 143, Black wrote:
The only thing bothering me about Moros here is that it doesn't seem interested in considering that I blunder setup talk as town a lot. I feel like me mentioning that should cause it to reconsider the read but it doesn't seem to care
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Post #167 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:18 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 158, Umlaut wrote:
I was also sort of quietly giving Black an opportunity to mess up if she was scum by acting like her earlier post
was
based on a misunderstanding of the setup, but I didn't seriously expect even scum!Black to make such a mistake so it doesn't mean much that she didn't take the bait. Still lean town but no more so than I already did.
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Post #170 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:23 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 165, implosion wrote:
Actually, question for Moros: what do you think is Black's scum motivation to bring up the dumbtell again? You say you think she has a motivation, but I don't see why she would go out of her way as scum to lie about the setup misunderstanding, given that it isn't actually mechanically clearing for her even if she did have the misunderstanding. I think it's much simpler to think that she did misunderstand the setup (as town or as scum).
nobody bit on it the first time, so it didn't work. the second time it looked out of place and pushed to be more obvious for getting responses. it didn't feel like something town would say to me, because it felt unnecessary. i don't know if i think that still but i felt that way at the time.
town. 125 is a townpost. The sort of audacity to call it out as what it would be + wanting to claim that there's absolutely no ambiguity to the townslip, comes from town dramatically more often. Scum kind of need to leave townslips as ambiguous things. But the even bigger thing to me is the statement about Black's self-respect; I feel like that's an angle scum would come up with to argue from extremely rarely.
i don't think this is true at all. scum who sees a town as you say townslip will know it's a townslip with no ambiguity. town who sees a town townslip will be unsure.
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Post #217 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:16 pm
Postby Moros »
the thing that i started to not like about implosion is that i think he seems very logical but some of the axioms that he is starting with in order to derive his reasonings feel too strained to be taken as given.
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Post #218 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:18 pm
Postby Moros »
i think that mafia who wants to be seen as logical and correct but also wants to reach specific conclusions may employ such a strategy. he still seems good to me aside from that but it makes me more afraid to trust him.
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Post #223 (isolation #36) » Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:34 pm
Postby Moros »
tsawwassen 189 has i will call it unusual logic especially around black and may. but i think the messiness of it feels honest. cutter b seems lost in a town way to me.
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Post #246 (isolation #40) » Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:31 pm
Postby Moros »
i use "ok" to mean i am not townreading the person but i am setting them aside for now. it's more neutral. i don't think i agree with ceejayvinoya's approach to reading aventurine.
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Post #248 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:31 am
Postby Moros »
scum would want to get in the coalition and play in a way that will make people think they deserve to be in it. town would want to look for other town players and not let scum in the coalition.
I just wish your answer was less mechanics related
nvm i guess
i can elaborate if the answer was inadequate. you asked for general and nonspecific. i don't think my answer was mechanics related, it's about how i expect players would play the game. they would exist with those minds and goals and their play would show signs of that.
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Post #342 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:05 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 311, implosion wrote:
I would also like to be explicit here that I do not have a read on Aventurine right now. I'm not convinced that this line of argumentation is scummy. I understand why Black sees it that way but I don't really see it that way, at least not yet.
My feelings on the game as a whole right now are that I like myself, Umlaut, and then Moros/Black (less confidently than Umlaut) as coalition members; I want to find a fifth. I don't feel confident on anyone else right now; I don't like Tsawwassen at this moment but everyone else I'm sort of not really leaning strongly on at the moment.
Also an open question to people broadly: how do you feel about compromising? I feel like the current state of the game is very, people describing Their Coalition. It feels like there's relatively little working together to build cohesion - there's a bit in that Black came to agree with Tsawwassen but on the whole it feels a bit like in this gamestate people aren't going to compromise a whole lot. Which is totally fine right now given how much time we have until deadline but I just want to throw out there that, eventually, it will become less okay.
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Post #345 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:12 pm
Postby Moros »
i liked black and implosion's reactions to it the most, they felt real to me, like they wanted to look for town. ceejay i am most suspicious of now i think.
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Post #346 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:15 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 337, May wrote:
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
i felt this way earlier but i think now that he has good intentions.
In post 345, Moros wrote:
i liked black and implosion's reactions to it the most, they felt real to me, like they wanted to look for town. ceejay i am most suspicious of now i think.
spooky. care to expand or do I have to slowly draw it out of you
it felt like the way you were treating aventurine was from a goal of wanting it to be left out of the coalition and be seen as scum by others instead of trying to see if he is town. like you wanted to look like the winner of an argument. i think that's what scum would want to do.
In post 337, May wrote:
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
i felt this way earlier but i think now that he has good intentions.
Do you know what changed or will you just say "my feelings"
i don't think it's right of you to frame my feelings as insufficient. everything is based on feelings. my feelings changed because it felt like implosion just likes to view things in that manner, and the more recent times he did that, it didn't seem like he was stretching to reach a predetermined conclusion.
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Post #378 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:32 pm
Postby Moros »
In post 372, Tsawwassen wrote:
There was a lot of yapping!
I don't really dig the kind of yapping from May though... Feels like the empty posting that scum tends to make.
Warming up to an Aventurine townread. Particularly liked 306 where he opted to push for clarity as an outcome of the argument, rather than arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm still townreading implosion, Black and Moros, and I'm willing to stake the game on this read being correct.
For now I'll support any coalition without May or Cutter b. I'll exclude myself if we need to compromise.
In post 337, May wrote:
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
i felt this way earlier but i think now that he has good intentions.
Do you know what changed or will you just say "my feelings"
i don't think it's right of you to frame my feelings as insufficient. everything is based on feelings. my feelings changed because it felt like implosion just likes to view things in that manner, and the more recent times he did that, it didn't seem like he was stretching to reach a predetermined conclusion.
Is there something about the list that made it seem like he was stretching the first time?
It's not that feelings aren't valid but you can townread people for breaking a post down and showing it as being indicative of something more than you can for them just taking different stances every few pages
i don't know if we're talking about the same first time. i meant his read on umlaut for the reaction to black misunderstanding the setup. that felt like a stretch to me because the logic didn't hold to me but he kept the read anyway.
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Post #397 (isolation #55) » Wed May 01, 2024 7:08 am
Postby Moros »
may caught up to the point of seeing umlaut's most recent vote, and then in 392 and 393 went backwards and found something else to talk about from earlier. i think this could happen if she is scum and believes she needs to post more thoughts to get townread after seeing multiple people remove her from their coalitions.
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Post #398 (isolation #56) » Wed May 01, 2024 7:12 am
Postby Moros »
it could also just be a thought she was chewing on and took some time to digest. or she wanted to reassess her coalition vote. i guess it isn't that unusual to take another look at things. the timing of it just made it feel to me like it was a second effort being made in response.
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Post #426 (isolation #59) » Thu May 02, 2024 5:24 am
Postby Moros »
i thought may was the towniest player at first and i don't think she needed to try to position because she was in a good one. it felt like after she wasn't as townread anymore she started feeling some pressure to perform.