Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Dave

Let's lynch this quick!

[Jungle Medicine]

Vorkuta's town by the way.

[Jungle Medicine]

More votes on Dave please!

[Jungle Medicine]

Roster's town as well!

[Jungle Medicine]

Why Sky over Dave, Duckling?

[Jungle Medicine]

Vorkuta, Roster, & Rich are town.

VOTE: Chemist

This is scum because awkward vote on Chenn & ignoring everything above to prolong RVS.

[Jungle Medicine]

Hello?

[Jungle Medicine]

I hope you're town, Skitter.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm adding Skitter & Fusco to my list of townies.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm working on it.

[Jungle Medicine]

You don't think Vorkuta's town, Dave?

[Jungle Medicine]

I didn't realize this is multiball? I guess I should take a look at the setup.

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Duck

[Jungle Medicine]

jungle why are you voting the hydra

I think removing them from the game will further our win condition.

[Jungle Medicine]

I also support votes for Dave! I don't promise he flips scum but there's a reasonable probability.

[Jungle Medicine]

Faith, Skitter. The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

[Jungle Medicine]

Someone being "strong town" is bad reason to keep them around when they're scum, by the way.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'll talk with you soon, Skitter. I know you're town & that's going to make this game a lot easier for both of us.

[Jungle Medicine]

Practical lesson here on why you need to read, otherwise you get scumread for townreading people really easily in a multiball.

Town are more likely to give lots of townreads in multiball... which is kinda funny because I inadvertently town telled while intentionally trying not to do that yet. Go figure.

[Jungle Medicine]

By the way Skitter, something to remember about the current gamestate: You know something about me that others don't.

[Jungle Medicine]

Do you disagree with any of my townreads?

[Jungle Medicine]

I don't think that an early D1 wagon on me will get through, so I'm being slightly cavalier about it.

You've been lynched on D1 before so that's an odd position to take?

[Jungle Medicine]

You were lynched D1 in Autumn's Farewell.

[Jungle Medicine]

Or maybe it was D2? I could be remembering wrong, my memory isn't good these days.

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Dave

[Jungle Medicine]

I thought RVS ended on pg 2 ...

[Jungle Medicine]

What's making you so angry you don't even want to play anymore?

[Jungle Medicine]

Hey Skitter, are you still sure you want to lynch Dave?

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Chemist

[Jungle Medicine]

Sky's townish.

[Jungle Medicine]

Can you summarize your reads for me, Skitter?

[Jungle Medicine]

Are you town on Fusco?

[Jungle Medicine]

Dave, what's your read on Chemist?

[Jungle Medicine]

That's a bad read, Dave.

[Jungle Medicine]

It's bad too.

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: persivul

[Jungle Medicine]

@jm why are you sheeping me

I trust you.

[Jungle Medicine]

You're welcome to sheep me and through me Skitter, Sky.

[Jungle Medicine]

Do you think persivul is town?

[Jungle Medicine]

Skitter's far outside her scum meta.

I'm 100% confident on this read.

[Jungle Medicine]

Vorkuta's obvtown.

[Jungle Medicine]

Locktown, actually.

[Jungle Medicine]

That's a bad concern, Duck.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'd feel better if you didn't spread paranoia about slots that are obviously town, specifically myself, Skitter, and Vorkuta.

[Jungle Medicine]

Oh, I forgot to mention that Sky's town too.

[Jungle Medicine]

Let's lynch them?

[Jungle Medicine]

Oh, did I mention Roster's town too? We have quite a nice block of town, I'm very happy with this.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm sorry you always get stuck with scum slots?

[Jungle Medicine]

Skitter's here, yay!

[Jungle Medicine]

I don't think town Duck would scumread me.

[Jungle Medicine]

Because you just played with town me.

[Jungle Medicine]

You're scumreading me for the same thing that someone scumread me in that game for...

[Jungle Medicine]

Sky's town, Duck. If you push that, I will push your lynch.

[Jungle Medicine]

I can't tell if you town or scumread me, Duck.

[Jungle Medicine]

If you townread Skitter, I suggest sheeping her on me.

[Jungle Medicine]

If someone doesn't townread Skitter, please voice this view.

[Jungle Medicine]

I have to keep you challenged Duck. You must understand this.

[Jungle Medicine]

What's your read on Penguin, Chenn, and Chemist, Duck?

[Jungle Medicine]

Why are you voting me, Duck? I don't understand how I'm your top scumread.

[Jungle Medicine]

I treated you with disrespect? Can you direct me to the posts that make you say that?

[Jungle Medicine]

Either way the way you're conducting yourself is manipulative and inappropriate even in a social deception game.

Please direct me to the posts that you find "manipulative and inappropriate."

[Jungle Medicine]

Also, please answer my question about why you're voting me.

[Jungle Medicine]

JM, jsyk at a personal level it disgusts me that you treat me with such disrespect as a player. Not a slot. You are blatantly disinterested in playing with me.

If this persists I'll probably raise with you privately post-game, if you don't mind. I'm not sure if it's something you're experimenting with on this alt but it doesn't gel with my style at all.

(all tw by the way)

I'm having difficulty believing this is genuine.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm sorry, Duck. Can you please refer me to the posts you'd like a response to? I also feel like you're not responding to me so something's just not clicking this game.

Intentional slip.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm trying out things on this alt but I find it very difficult to believe you had that reaction above genuinely. But just in case that should clear the air.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'll also note, the last person to respond to me as harshly as you responded above (someone else who knew me) flipped scum. So I'm pretty skeptical.

[Jungle Medicine]

Either way the way you're conducting yourself is manipulative and inappropriate even in a social deception game.

Please direct me to the posts that you find "manipulative and inappropriate."

I don't see how I'm "manipulative" or "inappropriate" via omission, by the way. I still want a response to this.

[Jungle Medicine]

I love walls!

[Jungle Medicine]

This is what I'll say in response to the wall:

1. In Shore Leave, I told Rainbow that he should townread me because I'm town. In response, he started asking me to justify why I was town. I got into a whole conversation where I refused to town case myself in the abstract & told him it wasn't fair for him to insist I town case myself without stating specific concerns about my play.

2. In this game, I felt like you were asking me to town case myself in the abstract by asking me to explain how I was outside my scum range, & I thought you'd know better than to scumread me for refusing to do that after Shore Leave. This is why I was talking around your requests that I explain why I'm town while directing you to Shore Leave.

3. I still don't see what's manipulative or inappropriate about anything I did. I understand if you felt strong emotions in response to this interaction but you went a bit far saying it was manipulative or inappropriate. I also think I responded to your posts even if it wasn't providing you with the direct responses you wanted.

[Jungle Medicine]

I actually think you should be townreading me tbh. The scumtells I was seeing from you are more likely to be playstyle indicative of nai which makes a lot of sense to me because I wasn't feeling great about reading you one way or the other.

help me out though: I now get why you get mislynched for the same reasons you see me scumreading you. Should I be townreading you here post-Starcraft?

I'm not sure what scum tells you were seeing in me because I don't think there were any? I still believe that ignoring questions comes from town more often than scum, & you should know this considering you do the same thing yourself. What's the other issue or tell you're referring to?

I don't understand that second paragraph. You now understand why I get mislynched? What's causing the mislynches & where have I been mislynched for them?

Yes, you should townread me post-Starcraft. I'm far outside my scum range in terms of alienating players to test reactions.

[Jungle Medicine]

I thought in Shore Leave I was obvtown who was getting lynched because I lolhammered. I was also about to solve the game on you/Dog before the lynch. The problem there was this simple. I said I was obvtown & Rainbow said I had some sort of "burden" to prove that because I said it. I responded by saying I wasn't going to town case myself in the abstract & would respond to specific concerns. He voted me. Saudade was already tunneling me even though I townread him. Ceejay was on me because Icon called me scum on D1. Vedith mistakenly hammered because it's Vedith. And then I was dead before I could solve the game. This is how it felt at least.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm pretty sure I've alienated every player in this game, including Skitter by absurdly sheeping & pocketing her.

[Jungle Medicine]

Anyway, welcome to the town block Duck. I will keep you here for today.

[Jungle Medicine]

Also, please continue to address me as a Lime. It feels surprisingly warm.

[Jungle Medicine]

I hope the bad emotions have passed & you're happy with the outcome of our exchange.

[Jungle Medicine]

I just need a few more townreads to solve this. Can you add anyone to the block?

[Jungle Medicine]

What's your read on Persivul?

[Jungle Medicine]

Baezu's already part of the block, might have forgotten to mention.

[Jungle Medicine]

Chenn's also town.

[Jungle Medicine]

No that's not right, I'm up there with you & so is Skitter.

[Jungle Medicine]

Remember when Chenn said he'd be tryhard if scum? I believe him.

[Jungle Medicine]

This is how I'd rearrange it:

{jm, skitter}
{ddj, sky, Vorkuta, Chenn}
{Baezu, Roster}
{Fusco, dunnstral, rich, creature, Dave}
{Persi, PP, Chemist}

[Jungle Medicine]

Why is Persi, rich, and creature so high for you?

[Jungle Medicine]

I'd actually put Sky up there with me & Skitter.

[Jungle Medicine]

Yes, Sky's locktown. I'm glad we agree.

I'm going to disagree about Creature. I've seen nothing town from him yet.

[Jungle Medicine]

89 is town, agreed. The rest look the same as the posts Creature made in Labyrinth, a terrible scum performance if there ever was one.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'll upgrade Creature for 89. I think that's a good catch.

[Jungle Medicine]

I know I'm town now, so I'll push him:

VOTE: Jungle

How is this town, Buj?

[Jungle Medicine]

If persivul ever dies and flips town I will tunnel JM like I've never tunnelled anybody in my life. Townslip be damned in that case.

100% sure persivul is being set-up for a mislynch at some point during the game.

There is a very devious, deliberate, narrative-shaping approach being followed here. A systematic method of townreading those that agree, shading or scumreading those that don't, alienating outsiders, and misrepresenting persivul.

Can't read the player? Read the damn game. Spidey senses are tingling like crazy.

Granted I can't say for a fact that JM is the scum among those creating this atmosphere, but that's who's doing the things I mentioned most obviously.

-BuJ

None of this post makes sense.

I've apparently been systematically townreading anyone who townreads Persivul (not true), shading those that that don't (not true), alienating outsiders (not true), and misrepresenting Persivul (not true.

I apparently said somewhere that I "can't read the player," or something like that. Also not true.

I'm at a complete loss as to what Buj is talking about.

[Jungle Medicine]

And Persivul uncritically sheeping Buj on this is even worse.

[Jungle Medicine]

What part of Buj's post do you agree with Persi?

[Jungle Medicine]

How have I acted to set up your mislynch?

[Jungle Medicine]

Very nice, Sky. Thank you for the support!

[Jungle Medicine]

Implying that skitter (and to a lesser extent vorkuta) are so obvtown that anyone pushing them must be scum.

I don't think I said this anywhere, please direct me to these posts.

Why weren't you more critical of Buj's narrative? Why isn't there any paranoia that Buj is pocketing you?

[Jungle Medicine]

Chenn, what're your reads?

[Jungle Medicine]

What's your read on Buj, Persi?

[Jungle Medicine]

I'd also like to know your sense of Buj's accuracy. Do you have reasons to believe he's very good at catching scum?

[Jungle Medicine]

Sky's so town it's almost blinding.

[Jungle Medicine]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so town in all my time playing this game.

[Jungle Medicine]

Sky, please ask my questions to Persi because it appears he's ignoring me specifically.

[Jungle Medicine]

Someone can be town and yet be wrong in their reads.

Why vote me for being wrong about you?

[Jungle Medicine]

Vorkuta, please stop distracting from the caught scum.

[Jungle Medicine]

Vorkuta, please vote Persivul. Focusing on lurkers is how you lost Mini 2058 when me & RC handed you the obvious scum in Boat & Morality.

[Jungle Medicine]

The way you avoid LYLO is by lynching scum.

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm also not worried at all about reading lurkers. I trust our teammates will town their slot up when the the time is necessary.

[Jungle Medicine]

You can sheep me for ease & lightness.

[Jungle Medicine]

Why are you making me paranoid about you?

[Jungle Medicine]

No.

[Jungle Medicine]

What're your reads, Chemist?

[Jungle Medicine]

Holy shit, someone's actually considering motivations instead of feelz.

What's your motivation for ignoring all my questions about your motivations?

[Jungle Medicine]

I don't like that Persivul's trying to discredit my read as "feelz."

[Jungle Medicine]

Why isn't Persi trying to understand why people scumread him? And why's he ignoring my attempts to understand him? What's the town motivation for doing these things?

[Jungle Medicine]

Do you think Persi is town, Fusco?

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Chemist

Persi tomorrow.

[Jungle Medicine]

Do you prefer town or scum, Chemist?

[Jungle Medicine]

I'm sorry but I have to keep that reasoning to myself for the moment.

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Penguin

[Jungle Medicine]

I'd lynch Persi if there was support for it.

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Persivul

[Jungle Medicine]

More votes on Persi please!

[Jungle Medicine]

Hey Chenn, please vote Persi with me.

[Jungle Medicine]

He's in the group of likely scum via PoE + his play feels unnatural + he's saying things that townies don't usually say. Have you read his posts, Penguin?