Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)
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Haven’t had time to check back yet, but I thought you were just the first to vote Billy even though you didn’t scumread him? I was the one who cased/pushed Billy and I believe you became more interested as a result of that.In post 1661, Something_Smart wrote:
This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.In post 1647, Kerset wrote:At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.
I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?-
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I know it wasn’t what he said, as I explained already - but it was his mindset based on his progression. Frost was supposedly interested in rb’s reads until it turned out he was townreading Nom, at which point Frost disregarded them.In post 1648, skitter30 wrote:
i think this is a remarkably uncharitable way to understand aaron's post, i don't think this is what he was saying at allIn post 1587, Luca Blight wrote:So basically you were only going to take Rb’s reads into account if they were convenient for you, otherwise they’re irrelevant.
pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty-
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Fetchd’s performance in this game reminds me of many games I’ve seen where a scum player does just enough to make himself townier than a pile of low activity posters to get the benefit of the doubt and ultimately win the game. I don’t want to lynch him today as he’s obviously a strong pr but I just wanted to put this on the record. Nothing about his actual play is making me think he is Town, only process of elimination is in his favour given the number of scumreads I currently have (which goes back to my original point).-
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If there's one thing I'm not scumreading you for it's activity.In post 1672, nomnomnom wrote:
I guess when I flip you'll understand that someone's activity has nothing to do with their alignment.In post 1668, Luca Blight wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nom
Out of my three main scumreads, you’re the one I’m expecting the most from and I’m not getting it atm.-
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I'm hoping PM gets replaced + extended deadline tbh. Even if he returns before his third prod I have no faith in him ever participating at a reasonable level, sorry to say.
Xayah really needs to pick it up as well. I wanted to have her sorted as Town today but she has done nothing at all, which is frustrating.-
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Yes, it seems to happen a lot in games I play unfortunately. Not sure if I'm just unlucky in that regard or it's epidemic of this site, but I'm always battling against multiple lurkers/inactives every game. It's particularly frustrating this time round as a player would literally have to not post for at least half a day phase before getting replaced, and in reality it would probably be closer to three quarters of a day phase.-
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I work 7 days a week and have to take care of my son during most of my free time, yet I still find little bits of time to keep up with the thread here and there on my phone.
Anyway, I'm reasonably content with my Nom vote. If she can produce something that looks decent then I could be tempted back onto Flubs instead. I think I'm willing to give Frost the benefit of the doubt for now, as some of his D1 stuff wasn't bad.-
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@Fetchd: Billy was very bussable in hindsight? Well of course anyone who flips scum is going to look more bussable after the event, but at the time I was hard pushing to lynch Billy no-one else wanted it and he had no other votes.
Just skimmed through but Wooper is feeling a lot townier recently. I think the remaining scum is Nom + Fetchd, but Adorable is a bit of an unknown quantity still. Getting townier vibes from Frost recently.-
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In post 1802, AaronFrost wrote:
Part of the reason that it's objectively better that we lynch nom today. I'm sorry, but on the 0.0001% chance that nom does flip green, then her play has been far from townie and is not someone I think we should bring to lylo.In post 1789, skitter30 wrote:The one thing that's niggling me about nom is that she also picked 4 in the draft.
I'm not saying that being in a double pair with scum is inherently townie, *but* if scum did in fact double up on purpose for the wifom i'd kinda expect scum to be referencing that to try to make themselves townier when in trouble ... that's why they'd have doubled up in the first place
And nom isnt doing that here
But her play this phase has been so awful that i'm not sure that counteracts that
The other reason - nom claimed VT. I'm 5th highest on the draft. Who's more likely to be a strong PR?
If people want me to claim then I will, but I'd rather hold off until at least tomorrow.
Although this is bad, considering Frost's argument fornotlynching Billy D1.-
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When Frost made the comments D1 he was the main wagon at the time.In post 1876, Wooper wrote:
the goalposts have shiftedIn post 1874, Luca Blight wrote:I'm talking about Frost saying 'lynch Nom as she's less likely to be a PR', when on D1 his opinion was 'lynch Xayah over Billy, it doesn't matter who is more likely a PR'.
it went from {xayah, billy} to {nom, self}
sorry - i thought this was apparent when i suggested aaron is crumbing something-
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What gets me is that as Town, having lynched scum D1, I approach D2 excitedly to piece the rest of the puzzle together.
Nom, Fetchd and Xayah have been the opposite - almost negative in their outlook, which is something I can't relate to. Obviously at least one of them is Town, but there really is an unnatural feel about the three of them in how they've approached this day.-
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If I had to place a bet right now I'd go for Nom/Xayah being the remaining scum.
It makes little sense how Nom suspected Xayah and then suddenly flipped this D1 when the Xayah wagon picked up.
Xayah quietly entered D2 voting the counter wagon, Frost, and saying she doesn't want a Nom lynch for a pretty nonsensical reason (that if Frost flips scum then it clears Nom, but wouldn't the opposite also apply?)
The only thing she has going for her is her Billy vote when the initial Billy wagon took off.-
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I must say I’ve been curious for a while now about Flub’s role pick. Obviously he didn’t choose Sane Cop, and Fetchd has made it pretty obvious he must be the other nice-looking PR, so I’m left wondering what Flubs would have chosen as first pick if he were Town. As scum, choosing Roleblocker as first pick might not be too far-fetched.-
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I'm feeling this too; waiting almost an entire day phase for two slots to be replaced has killed it a bit for me. Struggling to get the spark back atm.In post 2230, Something_Smart wrote:
Motivation to play dropped, I'll explain it later.In post 2228, skitter30 wrote:i'm just kinda confused why your content dropped so hard from day1 to day2-
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I mean Flubs is a scum PGO and rb targeted him (which is likely) which means rb would be killed as a result.In post 2298, Sirfetchd wrote:
Uhhh maybe. Flub is still scum for lying in a mass claim in that situation.In post 2296, Luca Blight wrote:I think Flubs has to be the lynch today now, he’s obviously never being NK.
Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?
Of course it’s possible scum would have targeted rb anyway, but I think it’s very likely rb investigated Flubs N1.-
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I think Flubs as scum likely chooses pgo over vig given his play style. I know if I were a pr I’d have probably targeted him N1 as well, because he’s the sort of player that’s hard to read.In post 2300, Something_Smart wrote:
Edge cases...In post 2296, Luca Blight wrote:Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?
I mean it's just as possible Flubber is actually scum vig who made a second shot N1, and one of them was blocked.-
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Skitter already answered you here:
So I’m not sure why you’re still confused about it.In post 2311, skitter30 wrote:
claim your role and then first and second pickIn post 2279, Sujimichi wrote:I'm confused as to what I should do when it is my turn.
And the order is bottom up. I’ve claimed already, so you’re next, then Wooper will claim his second pick, then it’s Adorable’s turn etc.-
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But we wouldn’t get a result on you regardless.In post 2359, Flubbernugget wrote:If for whatever reason I am alive for the night aaron should investigate me
You'll either get a result on me or a flip on a controversial slot-
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Yes, I was curious on your Frost flip. Makes sense now, I guess.In post 2389, skitter30 wrote:so basically yeah i think he's clear
that's why i wasn't really interested in him yesterday-
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