Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[DoctorPepper]

Ego post.

Give me a few hours to catch up

[DoctorPepper]

like 1/2 are perceived as being risky by scum. i don't think they double-down and pick *two* numbers in that group

*Sorry if I randomly reply to a lot of posts, playing on mobile gives me errors*

Clarification, can scum talk during the draft? This assumes that everyone here has played this set up and would know that nuance as well, right?

Otherwise, I'm thinking choice of number wouldn't be alignment indicative, right?

[DoctorPepper]

Man, you guys are so focused on picking numbers, I just closed my eyes and hit a button on my number pad. Confirmed second most effective method to pick a number.

Actually like this. Brass can be town for now. Not strategizing your pick is something I doubt scum would do. Scum wanna take away the PRs right!

[DoctorPepper]

Again, I didn't mean to quote that. I also don't want to overrun the thread with comments at this point, I'm trying to make this alt my relaxed account which hasn't gone tremendously well so far.

Can someone else tell me what they think of Dunn and of my points in 66? I don't think I'm being unreasonable and I don't think he's approaching me in a particularly good faith manner but I might be biased because I'm annoyed he's removed a lot of utility from my claiming.

I don't think Dunn is lock!scum but if you think my case makes sense then I think you should vote for him!

I think you're TvT, I can see the town motivation in doubting your claim, but I can also see you're doing something I doubt scum would do.

Still wanna see where my vote should go

[DoctorPepper]

i think this is a tvt spat
if i'm wrong it's on dunn but i'm not vibing it rn

I have the same reads as skitter currently, which is one more reason why i don't understand why she voted us in the first place.

Skitter, i think you know where i come from and what i'm trying to do here. We can play this game together, i'm fine with it.

UNVOTE: .

Partial readlist goes like this:

TOWNREADS

DonCorleone
Dunnstral

MECH TOWNLEANS

JacksonVirgo
Brassherald
Doctor Drew

MINOR TOWNLEANS

Skitter

NULL

Everyone else

Kerset is not a fan of Dunnstral though - noted for posterity, i don't believe dunnstral is using a scum agenda here. If i had to be early wary of someone, it would be the people who picked #2, but that's too wifomy to swallow

-Farkran

This seems like someone trying to either:
a) Look productive
b) sneak in a scum buddy as town via "mech" reasons.

Leaning here so far.
Again, apologies for the multiple posts but I can't make long walls on mobile for some reason

[DoctorPepper]

i'm gonna assume hectic is one of the hydra heads in melody and i know he can read drew so

VOTE: drew

You know I got the same vibe here

But I disagree with the vote.

Gut tells me you and Aldus are town so far.

[DoctorPepper]

plot twist: doctor drew is a hydra of doctorpepper and drew-sta and also doctor drew

[DoctorPepper]

Ego post.

Give me a few hours to catch up

I can't allow another Doctor here.

State your case or I end you.

Fite me

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nah JK, I think you're town

Real

VOTE: Farkset

[DoctorPepper]

i think this is a tvt spat
if i'm wrong it's on dunn but i'm not vibing it rn

I have the same reads as skitter currently, which is one more reason why i don't understand why she voted us in the first place.

Skitter, i think you know where i come from and what i'm trying to do here. We can play this game together, i'm fine with it.

UNVOTE: .

Partial readlist goes like this:

TOWNREADS

DonCorleone
Dunnstral

MECH TOWNLEANS

JacksonVirgo
Brassherald
Doctor Drew

MINOR TOWNLEANS

Skitter

NULL

Everyone else

Kerset is not a fan of Dunnstral though - noted for posterity, i don't believe dunnstral is using a scum agenda here. If i had to be early wary of someone, it would be the people who picked #2, but that's too wifomy to swallow

-Farkran

How am I not null when I haven't even posted at this time yet?

I don't know why but I'm a fan of this post.

[DoctorPepper]

So far I'm thinking scum can be in [Farkset, Melody]

Wanna add Skitter in just as gut. I feel like her contributions to the game are mostly set up driven and not scum hunting driven.

[DoctorPepper]

Sup dats, good to see that patter holds lol.

I liked Drew's 163 and I subscribe to Farkset's readjust post being scummy

Melody is more based on the vote to Drew

[DoctorPepper]

which readjust post do you mean? also what do you make on my drew's vote then?

Read list sorry autocorrect.

Your Drew vote is not something I agree with but I like your early game interactions

[DoctorPepper]

Melody is more based on the vote to Drew

Sorry i missed this line

But i'd still like you to elaborate on your melody read. I think you are adjusting your reads to agreement bias, drpepper.

If you read 1 scum in farkset/melody, does it mean you see us as disaligned? Why is one scummier than the other? Why do you think the drew wagon is scumbased?

-Farkran

It really was the Drew vote. I feel like it's easy to pile on a vote like as scum

I think you could both be scum but it is early game



Oh fuck that's 8 pages to catch up on again

[DoctorPepper]

doctor pepper can you go through your thought process more on some of your posts? for instance, regarding me and Dunn, what do you think is the town motivation in doubting my claim? why do you think what I've been doing that makes it stuff scum wouldn't do? it feels like you're also trying to avoid really committing on things while giving the illusion of doing anything, more so than either fark or drew at this point

No I just skim a lot and I don't make a lot of hard reads or efforts to fully expound on them.

Town motivation for doubting your claim imo is not wanting a counter claim to come out or a redirect if we had a protective role.

I also think it's weird for scum to gambit this early if they weren't cop. Like it feels like a gambit to catch scum or to attract NKs as well. You're putting yourself out there in a way that scum wouldn't on day 1.

D1 is where a mislynch is most likely and scum want to keep low so you just going out there is why I think you're town

[DoctorPepper]

I also don't understand why people are saying Farkset is just busyworking..

VOTE: skitter

vote failed in prev post

I don't get the logic and I think this is a scummy entrance

[DoctorPepper]

So far I'm thinking scum can be in [Farkset, Melody]

Wanna add Skitter in just as gut. I feel like her contributions to the game are mostly set up driven and not scum hunting driven.

i kinda disagree with this assessment

In general I'm just not a fan of set up spec but I feel like your clarification to me kinda makes sense.

[DoctorPepper]

Liking Melody a lot more now for gut. Initially just thought it was the Drew vote. Maybe I just disagree with your reads, but it seems genuine.

Jackson seems genuine as well.

Turning around on Skitter.

Aldus and Dats seem town but I'm basing it off a previous game and their interactions seem similar.

So far I'm good on Fark but I can swing towards Alimdia

[DoctorPepper]

I also don't understand why people are saying Farkset is just busyworking..

VOTE: skitter

vote failed in prev post

I don't get the logic and I think this is a scummy entrance

reason being that you don't get the logic???

1. Because Skitter says it's high unlikely that there is more than 1 scum in the pool of 1s and 2s so they could look for other scum else where?
2. Because Skitter is too experienced to mention game theory for teh lulz and not do anything about it

It's a weird push and the Farkset read is throwing me off also.

Yeah I like this slot for scum so far

[DoctorPepper]

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

Dats, you seem to be kinda passive and sheepy this game

That was so unlike you in the last Micro we played

[DoctorPepper]

Ok, i get where you may think that almidia is wrong and/or bad, but... the main question is still "why does scum!almidia headbutt into you?", especially at that point in time? I don't think of skitter as an easy-to-lynch player, probably even harder to mislynch as town - if your experience is different please let me know - so why would you want to

lead

a wagon there, as scum?

-Farkran

I find it quite odd that you guys are soft-defending each other

[DoctorPepper]

Spoiler: @dp i did notice

Are people scared of skitter because of her Moment of Brilliance? It's just one moment guys, pssh big deal.

~Dawn

nah that was a towngame, it's probably more winning dc and winning tm as scum

also i'm kinda gut-scumpinging you guys

Not gonna lie, this was super helpful in the last newbie lylo we played

[DoctorPepper]

Dats could be scum here.

You claim to push CSF but like you could have literally pushed half the player base you claim is inactive (not unwarranted but CSF feels like a lazy vote, the slot isn't particularly active and Skitter literally just voted)

Also lol, weirdly enough melody's recent posting has given me gut town vibes. I'm more inclined to read hydra dissonance as townie, I mean it could be faked but idk i feel like it's something I would do in my hydras as well

VOTE: Alimdia

[DoctorPepper]

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

Dats, you seem to be kinda passive and sheepy this game

That was so unlike you in the last Micro we played

take my annoyance with QQ that game and multiply it sevenfold

I mean yeah sure be annoyed with an inactive player base but QQ was annoying to you because he was incoherent.

Even if there are 6 players inactive you have 7 to engage with you park your vote on a slot that isn't active? I mean Skitter voted due to set up spec but this is something I can see scum you take advantage of

[DoctorPepper]

^ okay why? My assumption was the draft theory you initially came up with

The slot feels so empty right now that I don't understand why it warrants a vote

[DoctorPepper]

i know, i'm just saying that i noticed what you did but couldn't do much about it

I'm town this time tho.

[DoctorPepper]

@dats: my assumption was that Skitter voted for CSF to go back to her first vote based on the draft order.

CSF feels empty as a slot.

[DoctorPepper]

Okay farkran, I'll try to give you my thought process

I think voting for inactive players is lazy because it's where scum can pretend to look busy but not actually commit to anything. You can't possibly write off everyone active as town and just pretend to contribute by hitting slots that probably are inactive for non alignment reasons. Maybe they're busy. Maybe they can't catch up to 15 pages. But it's like, you could spend your energy engaging players who are playing rather than complain about those who aren't because it seems like you're looking busy but you're not interested in hunting scum.

[DoctorPepper]

That's basically how I think I scumhunt, I generally do this as scum (low sample size so not very reliable) but I try not to rock the boat and go under the radar by posting things that aren't helpful but look like they are.

I also dislike what I think are flimsy reasons to scum read people but I do recognize that town can easily fall into this.

Like what's the motivation behind this, is it to genuinely hunt scum or to appear like you're contributing as town

[DoctorPepper]

CSF feels empty as a slot.

i voted cuz of this and to apply some pressure ^

I feel like I'm gonna be accused of defending CSF here but like what does this do?

Was there anything particularly scummy about them or is it a "I'm gonna randomly choose an inactive and hope they play the game"

Because I literally scumread that's for that very reason

[DoctorPepper]

*Dats

[DoctorPepper]

also what am i exactly "taking an advantage of"? like what is scumtisi trying to accomplish there

pedit: lmao what

Looking busy? Idk

I just feel like town!datisi would actually engage in a slot that would give info, not one that could likely be replaced.

I mean in Chain of Command you didn't push QQ much on Day 1 and spent most of your pushes on me because you thought I was particularly scummy

[DoctorPepper]

i never said i'm contributing to town
like i'm not pretending to be helpful
i'm openly saying this game fucking sucks and i don't want to play it while 6 slots are dead

pedit: then you scumread skitter too no?

Probing that posibility via post 432. Initially though Skitter's thought process was Towny (Also because she's defending Aldus who I'm gut reading as town) but yeah, I find CSF votes weird af

[DoctorPepper]

Scum can lurk, I do lurk as scum. But lurking in general is NAI. I mean some people just don't have the time to play or be as engaged as we are.

The point is, why waste your time on inactive slots. Are all 3 scum in the pool of 6 inactives? Why not expend the effort in finding hopefully 1 scum in the 8 other active slots?

Also my only recent towngame haven't played in 3 years and I doubt those games are accurate

[DoctorPepper]

Also Cat Fever has the same reads and reasoning as DrPepper (97, 107) yet you're calling him empty, and his votes weird?

-Farkran

When did I say his votes are weird

If anything I said votes for that slot was weird

And yeah it's an empty alot, it has a whopping 5 posts of content

[DoctorPepper]

So you write off everyone, who is inactive as town instead and pretend to solve people, which already overflow with analyzable data.
~ker

No, that's a huge misrep and it's making me think you're scummy at for framing it that way.

It's not "lol deep lurkers are auto town" it's more like the lurkers are gonna lurk and you're not gonna get anything from going to that direction. So why waste time there instead of engaging the active players. By your logic, surely we can't write all active people as town and just conclude that inactive people must be scum right?

[DoctorPepper]

this might or might not be omgus i'll decide later

VOTE: pepper

there my vote is on an active person am i locktown now?

This is a weird push and I kinda feel like you're not really scum reading me, you just dislike that I'm scum reading you

[DoctorPepper]

Gut town based on the same micro I linked to you. I was reading him as town there too to my recollection and I feel like it's a similar game

Disagree with his reads but the push on Melody and Dunn seem genuine and not something scum Aldus would do. Like why is he drawing attention to himself.

I tend to think Day 1 is about not drawing attention to yourself as scum so you try to blend in and go with the flow of popular opinion, lurk your way through, or produce content fluffy enough not to get lynched but also useless enough not to give any info.

[DoctorPepper]

this might or might not be omgus i'll decide later

VOTE: pepper

there my vote is on an active person am i locktown now?

This is a weird push and I kinda feel like you're not really scum reading me, you just dislike that I'm scum reading you

yeah no shit sherlock

Did I ateast make you give a shot about this game?

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: farkset

Oh hey cool I think you're town again

[DoctorPepper]

^ you're not making me feel better about your slot Dats. I mean you asked for more activity and it's here

[DoctorPepper]

I tend to think Day 1 is about not drawing attention to yourself as scum so you try to blend in and go with the flow of popular opinion, lurk your way through, or produce content fluffy enough not to get lynched but also useless enough not to give any info.

Do you realize the inconsistency?

All of your reads and votes do not follow this theory. I suggest you re-ISO your strongest reads in either direction

-Farkran

^ no?

I get the feeling that you're discrediting me without outright calling me scum.

Like you're openly saying "you don't make sense" but you're saying I'm not scum. So am I like the game's VI?

[DoctorPepper]

^ you're not making me feel better about your slot Dats. I mean you asked for more activity and it's here

no i didn't

i asked for more activity from dead slots
skitter and farkset have been plenty active

I mean I was a dead slot, now that makes it more people you can try to engage with, right?

[DoctorPepper]

Do you realize the inconsistency?

All of your reads and votes do not follow this theory. I suggest you re-ISO your strongest reads in either direction

-Farkran

I mean if anything I initially scum read you because the early reads list was kind of pointless FMPOV especially because we were like 4 pages in. You're active now but I don't think your recent posting has made me comfortable of your slot, especially since you've done nothing but misrep me in our entire engagement.

If anything the only aberration in my reads is Alimdia but that's because I thought the push was bad and wasn't town driven

[DoctorPepper]

you were half-dead but your only contribution was a shitpush on me pretending to be productive so that nullified the success you've had in making skitter and farkset talk

pedit: @pepper

Bruh.

That's rather an oversimplification at best and a misrep at worst.

[DoctorPepper]

Farkset, our interactions have solidified my read on you because you're practically misrepping me.

I initially scum read you for what I felt was fake content. Now I think you're discrediting my actual scum read on you by latching on to my point about inactivity. It's like you're telling everyone subtly "don't listen to this guy he doesn't make any sense"

Plus I'm not trying to punish active people I just think it's pointless to push for them when active people will more likely be good source for scum

[DoctorPepper]

I kinda explained that the hydra dissonance was something I thought was Townie noh?

Like why announce that instead of keeping it in their own PT

[DoctorPepper]

Farkran, it doesn't really help that you're talking to me condescendingly, it's why I feel like this is discrediting rather than a genuine attempt to "work with your town reads"

That being said, yes I have a tendency to tunnel and yea I have a tendency to fall down the rabbit hole with my scum reads and view their every action as scummy.

[DoctorPepper]

brass there's like 20 pages of content and i dont' think you've produced like any of it

My initial reaction was "Skitter why" but then I realized brass's comment after all this is "CSF is getting replaced"

So a lot has happened this game and that's a weird thing to comment on first, so I'm not liking this so far

[DoctorPepper]

@farkset

I am inclined to agree with Skitter here and I feel like your push was trying to get me on a gotcha and now you're backing down from it

FMPOV we disagree with scum hunting but you've done a good job of discrediting me by saying im not adhering to my logic. Was that the point you're trying to make here?

[DoctorPepper]

I'm sorry, chainsawing?

[DoctorPepper]

I tend to think Day 1 is about not drawing attention to yourself as scum so you try to blend in and go with the flow of popular opinion, lurk your way through, or produce content fluffy enough not to get lynched but also useless enough not to give any info.

Is this for a specific person, or just overall?

Overall.

[DoctorPepper]

@fark. I feel like your gotcha was you trying to say "I'm inconsistent with how I hunt scum" while also discrediting my scumhunting method altogether.

And TBH, even if we don't agree on the way we hunt scum, it's one thing to disagree and it's another to claim I'm flat out wrong

[DoctorPepper]

dp if you were scum in this game how do you think you would be trying to approach me?

farkset how would you feel about potentially voting melody?

Is this based off our recent game

Hmm if I was scum this game I'd avoid your crosshairs

[DoctorPepper]

I wouldn't be confident enough in my game to get you to read me incorrectly because you saw through me that lylo. So I would generally want you to town read me but also avoid giving you a reason to mind my existence because I know you'd see scum me. Maybe I'd be generally agreeable to most of your reads and dissent on a few just to not look like I'm buddying

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: melody

dp i'm low-key nervous that's what you're trying to do here

Wouldn't it be funny if scum me outlined exactly how I would approach you right after you saw through scum me?

[DoctorPepper]

Why do I get the feeling that you would have said that no matter what I said?

What did you expect my response to be

[DoctorPepper]

Low key it feels like you're planting seeds of paranoia here Skitter and that's something town you doesn't do.

But then again town you just goes for it and posts what you're thinking of and scum you is more calculated

[DoctorPepper]

Why do I get the feeling that you would have said that no matter what I said?

What did you expect my response to be

no, more like if you were scum how you're interacting with me rn is kinda how i would expect you to, and you just confirmed it

But why would I actually tell you that then?

Could have easily lied and said I'd artificially push you because I can point to my meta claiming that's not the case

[DoctorPepper]

[quote="In post 418

Is Alim a bigger scumread than Datisi?

~Dawn

Good point

I initially have Alim because I feel logic not adding up and the bad push is a good reason for me to have my vote there

Dats has had more for me to work with but admittedly I'm using his not adhering to a meta I know of him and his empty pushes to dead slots as my main read.

Is he scummier than Alim? I can't really say for now

Also are you Shiki/Hectic?

[DoctorPepper]

At the top of page 19, I like Peppur. Will catch up on rest later.

skitter, Evening will probably answer your question (I'm not town leaning you).

~Dawn

Why?

Am I being pocketed

[DoctorPepper]

Skitter, I have to say I had a really fun time last night at 3 am engaging your reads you really did earn that rep and I'm sorry it has been used against you in the past and will probably still be done.

literally from last night @don
his whole push on me in lylo was based on paranoia, and i called him out on it

i'm not sure what this has to do with my push on csf tho

[DoctorPepper]

any claims so far?

Well this will be fun

[DoctorPepper]

okay, in that case, icon can you tell me what you make of Datisi's slot when you get back please and specifically what you think of 208 and whether you think that's consistent with town!him

re:aldus yeah, I meant to write the other thing but I still like it as a take

meh, fees like early game datisi who's uninvested/lacking reads and it's in her meta to just take a step back until spicey stuff happens. Dats isn't one to ignite the action or kick the hornets nest.

Is this NAI from Datisi or is it more indicative of their town game?

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Aldus

Bad catch up is bad.

Well I have a crazy week until Friday with about 40 of my 100 monthly hearings being left. So probably semi VLA. Also got tested for the covid yesterday not because I'm sick but a person I know is working on the antibody tests. Not game related but I wanted everyone to know I do have a brain it's been a long standing question

Really not liking this. How ironic because this catch up is worse

[DoctorPepper]

Okay the Flash wagon on Dr Drew is almost as bad as the Aldus one (though I can't really say the slot has been super active recently)

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Brass

[DoctorPepper]

The drew wagon is dead, new highest wagons are aldus and melody

I can relate to the reasons why those two are counterwagons right now and i think we're in good wagonomics. I don't feel the need to flashwagon somewhere else. Can everyone take a stance on these two and finalize the day?

-Farkran

ok

VOTE: farkset

you didn't only completely ignore my posts, but of others who said why they think i'm town as well

like it doesn't fit your agenda to reconsider your stance on me

Oh sweet this was an option

VOTE: Farkset

[DoctorPepper]

*shrug*

VOTE: Alimdia

[DoctorPepper]

It is cool how productive you become out of sudden.
~ker

I know I liked Hydra dissonance before when it was Melody but this seems disingenuous

[DoctorPepper]

Okay the Flash wagon on Dr Drew is almost as bad as the Aldus one (though I can't really say the slot has been super active recently)

So flash wagon on dr drew is pretty bad but

*shrug*

VOTE: Alimdia

flash wagon on alimdia is supported? (excluding your vote)

At least DoctorPepper has mentioned I was scummy before.

Huge misrep if you considered how I thought bought Drew and Aldus are town and how I said you were scum

[DoctorPepper]

Anyway, beetlejuicing is not looking good for you Alim

[DoctorPepper]

Skitter do you think anyone is town?

[DoctorPepper]

Skitter do you think anyone is town?

what's the point of this question ...

Because it's odd how I can't even remember a single townread of yours (hyperbole, don't go at me for "misreps") while you literally claim that a lot of these actions are not good. Like the whole game can't be scum.

[DoctorPepper]

@Farkran: if the argument is Alim counter wagon to save aldus, why Alim of all people?

TBH, if it was a counter and Aldus was scum, there were so many viable options for a counter wagon (NM, Ico, Me, JV). It seems kinda random

[DoctorPepper]

I mean i think that's more of a you not paying attention to things problem than a me not giving townread probelm because i've been pretty vocal about who i'm townreading

I'm aware of that it's just in those long string of posts you just kept pointing fingers

[DoctorPepper]

I'm a bit thrown off by your inclusion of Dats and myself in that pile, so that's probably it

[DoctorPepper]

I'd really rather not lynch Aldus and would swing for farm over melody

But hey, deadline

VOTE: Aldus

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Farkran

[DoctorPepper]

it

You're prolly town because it's unlikely you and Aldus agreed to both pick 2.

[DoctorPepper]

if you wanna lynch DrP you'll have my support

let's see how serious you are about that solve then

that post was ugly

You're also did tbh

[DoctorPepper]

I actually really don't like a lot of drpepper's posting but I think he was voting in the same places as me for like over half of D1 and I think that speaks to towniness. I don't agree with his farkset take though.

drpepper, why do you think farkset are scum?

So here the thing. I've had Farkset in my scumdar for the whole day and something didn't sit well with me with how the easily tried to paint me as scum for that hammer.

Btw that was a lol hammer for deadline sake. A lot of people expressed 'oh i think you'll flip town but we gotta get a lynch' yet somehow I was scummy there? That's a whole load of crap.

[DoctorPepper]

a few things:
1. dp's posting is probably great but i'm not sure he hammers as a partner when there were still semi-viable other options (including just not voting / showing up)
2. i thought csf's positioning on aldu was probably not partner-indicative
3. i think you should have checked jv or nm because if they're town they're going to end up mislynched at some point, which would suck. that's a very suboptimal check imo

You do realize I could have just diverted from the Aldus wagon or ensured a no lynch if I was scum right?

[DoctorPepper]

I'd really rather not lynch Aldus and would swing for farm over melody

But hey, deadline

VOTE: Aldus

This slot is bad

At this precise moment in time i want to ship a melody/iconeum/drpepper solve.

Day 2 will talk about how much i was correct or wrong

-Farkran

So after this you're just gonna say "DP is town based on D1 performance"

FOH with that scum

[DoctorPepper]

Ok so turns out my availability might not be as good as i thought so

VOTE: aldus

Might be able to check in here and there but no promises

Yeah Dats could have claimed they weren't online if they didn't bus Aldus

DC dats is probably town

[DoctorPepper]

It's okay Alim, I recognize that. Plus you were a counter wagon. You're town

[DoctorPepper]

I'm more inclined to believe Dunn being cop by virtue of CC-ing cop not being a good scum move.

[DoctorPepper]

i low-key think dunn could be town but not cop

Also considering this

[DoctorPepper]

Dr drew, who did you neighbourise?

Not divulging that info quite yet.

I guess you could say, I am pulling a Dunnstral.

I'll be here all week, remember to tip your waitress.

Unless you're colluding with the person you do realize we can all just claim we weren't neighborized.

[DoctorPepper]

He most likely doesn't have a guilty then. He'd out that guilty right away then focus on DC tomorrow

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: doctorpepper

??

Lolwut

[DoctorPepper]

There are scummier people?

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: doctorpepper

-F

What about this?

[DoctorPepper]

I kinda want to believe that scum!pepper wouldn't insist on a baseless push like that and would probably join on a better quest to advance his wincon

Before going to that step though, drpepper can you scumcase me again? I forgot why you were scumreading me in the first place

-Farkran

TBH it may be conf bias on my part.

But I am not entirely convinced you didn't distance Aldus and had to push with the lynch.

Plus, I feel like you've been shading my slot and I inherently dislike that. Your day 1 shade on my hammer was bad and calling me town in Day 2 start after that felt like you were washing your hands.

Plus, if you strongly believe DonC did an anti town play and would reach lylo, shouldn't you want this resolved with a lynch?

[DoctorPepper]

ok, who ought i be voting instead?

@dp

...

I literally said Farkran

[DoctorPepper]

i'm just not super convinced they're scum tbh

Yeeeeet I am?

[DoctorPepper]

i'm just not super convinced they're scum tbh

Yeeeeet I am?

Phrases that wrong

Yet you think I am scum?

[DoctorPepper]

I'm still confused if DonC's gambit could be a town move to draw out the NK or a scum move to draw out the cop.


Internally debating that both could be viable options

[DoctorPepper]

^ I feel like it's because I remember the slot as just Farkran and Idk if I've ever interacted with Kerset

[DoctorPepper]

I doubt NM is scum

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: DonC

[DoctorPepper]

@Fark

I don't really see a lot of game state to interact with. I dislike a lot of your interactions with me. I know I'm town. I think you've been purposefully misrepping me. I think your takes on me are flaky, especially with how you reacted to me hammer.

I see that DonC is gonna be a problem to keep in lylo and TBH I don't think it's low hanging fruit because if he was town, scum would actually not want him as the D2 lynch because of all this WIFOM

[DoctorPepper]

Town:
Skitter (wouldn't pick 2 with Aldus? Alim (Counterwagon to scum), Drew (wouldn't pick Neighborizer as scum, easily verified claim), NM (this is not how scum plays)

Null
CSF (town lean, mostly gut), Ico (disliked 1550 on the weird Skitter push but I can't really remember much), Dunnstral (debating if Cop automatically means town cop), DC (debating if gambit is anti town but not scum), JV (legit have no read)

Scum:
Dats (disinterest in the game? I mean if Dats was that uninspired he could just flake out right?), Fark (you know this)

[DoctorPepper]

fark do you think the gamestate would improve if i was conftown or *extremely* close to it right now?

Wat

[DoctorPepper]

PoE

[DoctorPepper]

You're scum FMPOV by process of elimination.

[DoctorPepper]

watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

Yeah, yours gonna wanna keep me alive for one night longer, so I suggest you find a new lynch

[DoctorPepper]

To be clear, this is a claim and it's also me claiming I haven't used that shot

[DoctorPepper]

I wanted DonC for policy (if people don't trust him in lylo) and because I was sheeping Drew (not Dark, as Dats is misrepping)

Dats or DonC is good for me right now.

[DoctorPepper]

I actually kinda didn't want to reveal this right away because I doubt you're gonna be NK'd tonight with this reveal so my shot might be useless, and I kinda wanted to go UTR so as not to attract the NightKill either

[DoctorPepper]

Come to think of it, wouldn't scum DonC want to gladiator Dunn today for the real cop claim and demand the lynch be between you two?

[DoctorPepper]

I'm sorry dats but seriously I am not vibing you this game

[DoctorPepper]

I'd really rather not lynch Aldus and would swing for farm over melody

But hey, deadline

VOTE: Aldus

rereading his hammer on scum

actually this post alone is probably enough to give him at least another night combined with his claim

what scum is gonna say they rather not lynch their buddy and then proceed to hammer their buddy in the same post? that mindset mostly comes from town imo

Oh now you think that's a townie post??

[DoctorPepper]

Also dats you're gonna push through a lynch of a town (FMPOV)/most likely town (should be your POV) because you didn't like my reads

That's not how Mafia works

That's not how any of this works

[DoctorPepper]

1. I could be dynamic in how I read you
2. I gut scum you because I generally think your general disinterest was scummy. And yeah PoE with 5 nulls is annoying but could it be that I just find you scummier than them?

[DoctorPepper]

if you wanna lynch DrP you'll have my support

let's see how serious you are about that solve then

that post was ugly

[DoctorPepper]

Okay.

[DoctorPepper]

They could kill the cop you know.

[DoctorPepper]

Kinda just makes it difficult for me to decide who to watch tbh

[DoctorPepper]

It seems like it fits in with NM's character

[DoctorPepper]

i would much rather flip donc and not have to deal with the wifom around his play anymore then lynch NM

Show of hands who trusts DonC as town after the gambit?

If this isn't a plurality, you're gonna be kept alive by scum if you're town with a majority of the game not being able to trust you

[DoctorPepper]

To play Devil's Advocate, could equally be likely that it could be town trying to draw out scum.

[DoctorPepper]

Town PGO*

[DoctorPepper]

Holding it. Why use it night 1?

Lessen the number of people in the game state

[DoctorPepper]

I honestly wanted to hold it in til Night 3 til I had to claim today

[DoctorPepper]

Sorry, majority

But yes. I understand that scum can sway the numbers, but it's actually in scum's best interest to keep you alive if the sentiment isn't to trust you

[DoctorPepper]

dp this might be a weird thing to say but you feel less ~organized and precise~ as compared to the newbie which is making me think you're town

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Probably because I am more invested in a game as scum

[DoctorPepper]

^ how long ago was that game?

[DoctorPepper]

i modded that, it was around february

So since you modded, is Ico's indignation at fake claiming legit?

Did anything happen in that game for him to rethink his stance?

But at the same time, why would he like about wanting to Policy Lynch DonC for a fakeclaim if a mod of his saw that he wasn't bothered by it

[DoctorPepper]

man my ico tr has kinda dissipated and i think i tr dp now too

i really don't know where to vote

Okay I've been floaty and disorganized for the past 2 game days now. Why am I town all of a sudden?

You literally scum read me back in Day 1 for being calculated and acting like you think I would

[DoctorPepper]

yes, but scum can artificially make it look like I'm less trusted by town than I actually am like if the breakdown is 4 town who trust me vs 2 who don't then if scum both say they don't trust me it makes more sense to lynch me despite 66% of town trusting me

better imo to look at what the slots that are trustworthy are saying (like, idk, the cop claim and the clear?) who are both not wanting to Lynch me today

vs like drew/icon who do want to Lynch me, you who's been getting on board, and fark who's had a much worse day than I would have hoped

I'm liking your push on Ico a lot actually, that policy lynch thing is kinda damning.

Ico, care to refute the meta read?

[DoctorPepper]

i really wish the game woudl be this active more than like two hours before deadline

Kinda seems like a trend noh?

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah I'm finding it hard to believe that scum want DonC dead. If DonC was town and he got the scum team right and was pushing for them, he's easily discredit able.

Not saying you're not town, it's just I find it hard to believe that Ico would expend so much effort in your lynch when it's beneficial for scum for you to be here

Plus, I really think NM is a bad lynch. Even if it's just an info lynch his lynch gives us nothing

[DoctorPepper]

despite the potential watcher a doc, if they exist, ought to be on dunn

Agreed on this actually.

[DoctorPepper]

Pepper why were you going to hold your action until n3 worth a cop claim on the table?

To get max utility.

Plus the cop claim was only here today.

I was banking on a protective power role as well

[DoctorPepper]

Pepper why were you going to hold your action until n3 worth a cop claim on the table?

To get max utility.

Plus the cop claim was only here today.

I was banking on a protective power role as well

Sorry the cop verification. Since we had two cops

[DoctorPepper]

I got roleblocked

[DoctorPepper]

Or rather, I got no result

Also why are you shading me

[DoctorPepper]

You really think I'm scum after being the counterwagon to the lynched scum yesterday?

[DoctorPepper]

If town rb’d or jk’d pepper, I think they should just claim

So, RBing the claimed watcher is anti town.

Seriously. Who did this

[DoctorPepper]

Can someone explained why I lied about me being watcher just to lynch my partner then?

[DoctorPepper]

... Drew seriously

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[DoctorPepper]

Were mafia honor bound to go after me or something?

Jeez we would have been fucked if you weren't the NK because town decided to block me for some reason

[DoctorPepper]

Huh, I could have sworn it was supposed to be no one visited rather than no result. It's like if you were a cop that got JKd

But weird, did not expect a perfect town win with how it relied so much on last minute counter wagons.

Good game town? I guess?

[DoctorPepper]

Hope all is well Elmo!

[DoctorPepper]

Dead Thread
Datisi PT
Ill wait on the Mafia Members for the Alright of their thread.
Drew & Skitter Hood
Drew's Cat Scratch

FWIW all of these were very entertaining.

Especially Datisi's

[DoctorPepper]

Okay im super curious but I think it's someone I've never played with

[DoctorPepper]

Maybe it's a blast from the past like Majiffy?

[DoctorPepper]

Maybe it's a blast from the past like Majiffy?

Oh lord thats an old name

Well I am a relatively old guy by this site's standards.