Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[Alduskkel]

I think that it's unlikely that there's more than one scum in any given set of multiples

I also think its low-key unlikely for there to be more than 1 scum in the 1's and 2's combined

This is a little sus coming from someone in a set of multiples and who sent in a 2

VOTE: aldus
have you finally rolled scum you scumfuck?

no, the suffering continues. hbu

I also think its low-key unlikely for there to be more than 1 scum in the 1's and 2's combined

skitter scum with 2 other people in 1's and 2's confirmed

my thoughts exactly lmao

like 1/2 are perceived as being risky by scum. i don't think they double-down and pick *two* numbers in that group

You're really going hard on this WIFOM, aren't you?

Why is Dunn lowkey townie?

Idk, i dont think he'd take the approach to try to get vig/pgo to claim rn as scum

Scum want to know who the PGO is tho
VOTE: Dunnstral
I feel like a lot of people are doing unnecessary claims or setup spec and it's just giving scum more clues about town PRs and of those people dunnstral is the worst

[Alduskkel]

neon mafia is still fresh in my mind so I'm literally never going to trust you skitter

[Alduskkel]

fixed

[Alduskkel]

datisi you were

there

don't let her fool you

[Alduskkel]

just say you're sheeping farkset

[Alduskkel]

what makes you think hectic is in melody?

[Alduskkel]

so would you still vote drew if you knew hectic wasn't in melody

[Alduskkel]

no read yet :V

[Alduskkel]

ok but last time when I played like I didn't rly care and then I got lynched and town lost so

I mean even if I didn't get lynched that game it was still gonna be a town loss but still

also if we keep saying drew I'm gonna keep thinking drewsta

[Alduskkel]

i was thinking of CSF's post

[Alduskkel]

plot twist: doctor drew is a hydra of doctorpepper and drew-sta and also doctor drew

[Alduskkel]

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[Alduskkel]

Also, you were in Big 4 Mafia, right Ald?

I was not.

Why would you be fake claiming cop as town? Why would I assume you're town?
I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you retract your claim I'll retract my wanting the vig to claim, otherwise it is essential we get that claim today.

Although could u explain the logic again?
If he's cop there isnt a redirector so we dont need to worry about redirector shenanigans with the vig/pgo slot

And if mafia has a roleblocker, they have to choose between the cop claim and the vigilante claim

Feels a bit sus that this is all dunnstral had to say despite there being other things going on in the game

[Alduskkel]

alduskkel, do you actually think skitter is scummy this game? are you scum reading both skitter and Dunn?

No, skitter's mostly just paranoia. You're right that it's easier to try to figure out her alignment later on, if she's still alive. It's just that last time I tried that I got quickvoted by the other townie in 3p lylo and scum skitter hammered for the win before I had a chance to reevaluate skitter.

I'm actually coming around to Datisi being scum here, I think. Doesn't look like he's very interested in solving the game, just shitposting and hedging quite a lot with stuff like "lowkey think skitt is towny but she could fake this all" and "assuming hectic is a head of melody so I'll sheep there". It's like he's avoiding responsibility for what he's saying, looking in ISO it's the same thing again where he says that aldus may be scum but talks about how he's drinking in the same post.

And then again there's more where he says how he would called jacksonvirgo townie but won't because he'd seen "scum act completely clueless" elsewhere.

Datisi, what are your actual reads on people? I feel like you're shading a lot but kind of avoiding committing or taking responsiblilty whenever you suggest something is off

you're right i'm not very interested in solving because i'm still in the "early stage waiting everyone to post" mode, which i get is weird because i'm aware everyone has posted, but i feel like i don't have enough to work with. the main things happening so far are the don/dunn spat (which i think is tvt but doesn't give me an opportunity to actually contribute anything or futher other reads) and the fark/drdrew spat which i've already given my opinion on.

i'm admiting to being aware my skitter read could be complete bullshit because i had a feeling someone was gonna say "skitter is good as scum she can fake that datisi what are you doing are you pocketing skitter" like i get that she's able to fake it. i'm townleaning her anyway.

{skitt, don, dunn, melody, pepper, farkset}
{jackson, cat, clemency, brass} - null
{drdrew, aldus}

these would be my ~feels~ so far but none of them are very strong because the game is what it is.

Spoiler:

nice distancing.

Eh, Datisi shitposting isn't really AI. And I'm still kinda in that early stage mode too so I can see his perspective. I thought Dunn would have posted more by now so I could either confirm my scumread or reassess it.

Also if Datisi paranoia scumreads me for "caring too much" about this game then I can townread Datisi for not "caring enough" because I know we both wanted to roll scum

Unless datisi is known for caring about games more as scum than as town, it's a townlean for me.

Wait what? You've somehow reached the same conclusion as me via the exact opposite logic?

[Alduskkel]

Hey Melody, who do you scumread?

[Alduskkel]

are you actually townreading me for that

just a little bit

I mean it's more than what I have to go off of for some other players

[Alduskkel]

is this your way of apologizing for scumreading me here

[Alduskkel]

Melody, I asked for scumreads and you only gave townreads...?

Also RC isn't in this game. (I'm prepared for a woooooosh if I'm missing an inside joke.)

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I feel like a lot of people are doing unnecessary claims or setup spec and it's just giving scum more clues about town PRs and of those people dunnstral is the worst

Is that anti-town or actually scummy though? Do you think Dunny taking the cop claim seriously and going hard down the 1-shot vig clam line is scum-motivated? Like, he thinks scum can get an advantage if he gets 1-shot vig to claim.

~Dawn

Of course scum get an advantage if a 1-shot vig claims. I think they'd be even happier if it were a 1-shot PGO claim -- they don't want one of their own to die while nightkilling or something.

I don't like how Aldusk doubled down on their scumread by saying I hadn't responded to enough things

It's a perfectly legitimate call-out though.

VOTE: Alduskkel

Let's try it.

~Dawn

Let's try it.

VOTE: Alduskkel

-Farkran

Well this feels weird. Melody just said I was "pending further evaluation" but then votes me, and then I don't know what to make of Farkset's vote. I doubt Farkset-Melody scumbuddies do this tho, unless that's exactly what they want me to think (but probably not).

Melody, what made you want to vote me rather than waiting for me to post more?

As for the smaller ones: Jackson, i lean on their entrance being genuine, which would make them town since scum should understand how the setup works after going thru the draft phase. Plus they admitted having played the setup before and still getting it wrong. it seems less likely to be a lie to me.

This seems somewhat pockety since I am a newer player compared to majority of you I assume, especially in this setup but I would have been just as confused as either alignment so sure it seems genuine but how is that AI as me being Town?

hilariously enough I think this is a townie thing to say

What about the Dunny vote; how is that reflective of his playstyle/personality, rather than him pursuing what he thinks is scummy?

i guess i don't entirely understand why you're viewing it as a scummy vote

Probably better to let Aldu reply than to go too much further into it.

~Dawn

I mean look at Dunnstral's iso. He tried to get a PR to claim and then got flak for it and has been laying low ever since. The only "scumhunting" he's done is casting aspersions on me for voting him.

But its still possible that for the [1] pick, 1 scum decided to sacrifice themselves getting a PR, but fuck over 3 other town in the process. Like 1 for 3 seems pretty worth right?

It's not really worth it for scum to "fuck over 3 other town" though if it just causes other townies to be high in the draft order instead.

---

i can't tell what's going on on pages 13 and 14 with drew and 3p and arsonists and stuff

Liking Melody a lot more now for gut. Initially just thought it was the Drew vote. Maybe I just disagree with your reads, but it seems genuine.

Jackson seems genuine as well.

Turning around on Skitter.

Aldus and Dats seem town but I'm basing it off a previous game and their interactions seem similar.

So far I'm good on Fark but I can swing towards Alimdia

What'd you think of Melody voting me and Farkset immediately following suit?

meh

VOTE: catscratchfever

eh, sure.

VOTE: catscratchfever

DEJA VU / I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE / HIGHER ON THE STREET / AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO~

srsly tho, why CSF. this just seems so random

What kind of playstyle reasons? I don't see him picking fights as i usually do, or standing out in a particular way that would attract scumreads and wagoning. I don't know alduskkel, but i was not pinged the wrong way by him - rather the opposite, he didn't impress me at all, which is why i went back to check "why i don't remember anything from this slot?"

And i see an ISO which is basically IIOA and fighting

against

progress instead of producing it, this is what i mean when i say it's not a good iso. For instance, look at posts 115, 130, 223 - it seems to me that all of those are from a mindset that doesn't know what to say, so it tries to say something without standing out or taking any hard stance about anyone.

115 -- neon mafia is my 2nd most recent game and I mentioned it to explain my skitter paranoia
130 -- Melody was basically just restating what Farkset already said, it just seemed kind of dishonest to do the vote without admitting to the sheeping (sheeping isn't necessarily scummy but scum still often try to avoid looking like they're sheeping)
223 -- more of a clarification post?

I mean I've kinda been trying to "pick a fight" with Dunnstral but he hasn't really been active so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How am I fighting against progress?

VOTE: Cat

~Evening

Dude what is with all these vote swaps. I kinda get moving your vote from drew to me but you moved your vote from me to CSF without me even posting at any point in between. So it makes me think you weren't really interested in pressuring me to sort my alignment.

VOTE: Melody
Still have my eye on Dunnstral but this vote seems more productive.

[Alduskkel]

kinda agree with skitter's assessment here:

and i feel like voting alimdia but my read rate on him is a flat 0%

you've played with him before?
ngl while i do think he's very wrong it's almost the kind of wrong that tends to come from town, if that makes sense?

it's not strong but gut/tone says alimdia is town

[Alduskkel]

Our vote switched to Cats because of some hydra dissonance lul

Ok so why is cats a bigger scum impression than me now?

pedit: this is all @melody

[Alduskkel]

Aldu, so you think Dunny is openwolfing in a sense by trying to get the 1-shot vig to claim? He doesn't read that way to me, and I think the positives associated with trying to force an anti-town claim are outweighed by the negatives of the hit your appearance takes.

~Dawn

I wouldn't call it an openwolf. Also, judging by the lack of votes on him, Dunnstral hasn't taken much of a hit.

pedit: ugh hydra dissonance
ppedit: can i post please

[Alduskkel]

I mean look at Dunnstral's iso. He tried to get a PR to claim and then got flak for it and has been laying low ever since. The only "scumhunting" he's done is casting aspersions on me for voting him.

what's not to get

[Alduskkel]

What do you find so strange about this, Aldu? By "pending further evaluation" it means I saw something I disliked and questioned you about it. How else would you expect me to use my vote rather than to pressure slots I'm unsure about? Especially since I was voting Drew who I started changing my mind on.

~Dawn

I thought you'd wait for me to respond/post more so you could do the further evaluation and then decide whether or not to vote me.

Like, I'd expect town to either wait to vote me and/or after voting me not move the vote elsewhere so soon.

[Alduskkel]

hi i've been busy making bad life choices but i'm here now and catching up

[Alduskkel]

the lack of a recent vote count was really bothering me okay

Alduskkel (3) - Melody, Cat Scratch Fever, Farkset
Melody (2) - JacksonVirgo, Alduskkel
alimdia (2) - DoctorPepper, DonCorleone
brassherald (1) - Dunnstral
Farkset (1) - Doctor Drew
DoctorPepper (1) - Datisi
Doctor Drew (1) - brassherald
skitter30 (1) - alimdia
Cat Scratch Fever (1) - skitter30

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-05-23 08:00:00)

wow guys could you spread out your votes a little more

[Alduskkel]

i thought that'd be the page top for some reason

Alduskkel (3) - Melody, Cat Scratch Fever, Farkset
Melody (2) - JacksonVirgo, Alduskkel
alimdia (2) - DoctorPepper, DonCorleone
brassherald (1) - Dunnstral
Farkset (1) - Doctor Drew
DoctorPepper (1) - Datisi
Doctor Drew (1) - brassherald
skitter30 (1) - alimdia
Cat Scratch Fever (1) - skitter30

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-05-23 08:00:00)

[Alduskkel]

iconeum is the 1 person not voting

[Alduskkel]

bruh why

[Alduskkel]

Skitter, why aren't you scumreading Melody anymore?

[Alduskkel]

People don't like walls so I'm spacing out my catch-up.

Page 18: I don't agree with DP's reads but his posts sound townie. Like, I can see the town thought process coming through. Also kinda reminds me of town DP from Micro 935.

Post 440 by Farkran feels town to me. The attention to detail makes me think they're invested in scumhunting.

Overall Farkran v DP feels TvT.

VOTE: melody

VOTE: melody

Aww, what happened to these votes? These votes were good.

What do you find so strange about this, Aldu? By "pending further evaluation" it means I saw something I disliked and questioned you about it. How else would you expect me to use my vote rather than to pressure slots I'm unsure about? Especially since I was voting Drew who I started changing my mind on.

~Dawn

I thought you'd wait for me to respond/post more so you could do the further evaluation and then decide whether or not to vote me.

Like, I'd expect town to either wait to vote me and/or after voting me not move the vote elsewhere so soon.

Talk about this more in particular, Aldu. I want to know why you're getting so hung up over that vote on you.

>We were voting for Drew, I started thinking he was town. Said I needed a new vote.
>I find something you did I disliked, question you on it.
>Someone agrees with me.
>I vote for you, using my vote as pressure.

What's so strange about this?

~Dawn

The strangest part about this is that your vote on me was ineffective as pressure because it was removed before I even posted again. The whole point of pressuring someone is to see how they react.
You also voted me before I responded to your question, when you specifically said I was "pending further evaluation."
Are you deliberately leaving out these important details?

[Alduskkel]

Because in-context it was less "moving their vote to pressure another scumread" and more "moving their vote onto a new tasty wagon opportunity":

VOTE: catscratchfever

VOTE: catscratchfever

VOTE: Cat

I'm honestly shocked you don't have issues with this considering you were the one being wagoned.

[Alduskkel]

catch-up part 2

isn't aldus talking about you removing the vote before he even posted, not about you voting for him in the first place?

No, I think he's talking about us voting him in the first place because of the "pending further evaluation" thing (other than the second half of the last line).

~Dawn

I have issues with both of these things.

He said he was pushing scum!dunn as much as he could given dunn's low activity earlier, but several people put forth town leans on Dunn, which was something he could've engaged with. I don't feel like he was considering what other people were saying about Dunn wanting the PGO/Vig slot to claim being possibly town motivated as well. I also generally get the feeling that this is one of dunn's lhf games and an easy slot to push.

You have a point here, but in my defense I haven't played with Dunn before and at the time his activity level was high so I expected him to keep posting a lot, which is what I planned to engage with.

I'm also not feeling his reason for scumreading Melody. I feel like it's pretty normal to join a growing wagon and even a bit townie as stubbornly parking on a wagon by yourself won't generate any meaningful pressure.

What are you referring to when you say a "growing wagon"? Melody was the first vote on me.
I don't mind Melody unvoting Drew, but if their goal was to generate meaningful pressure then they totally failed at that.

Re: Fark's meta dive on me -- my level of engagement isn't alignment indicative. It's based on how much free time I have, how much AI content there is, and my general level of interest. If I seem disengaged this game it's because of focusing on classes and the lack of content from a large portion of the playerlist.

Also, 6 year old scum meta isn't very useful, but you didn't need me to tell you that.

that's what she said

I don't feel like lynching melody anymore

What changed?

[Alduskkel]

@Mod: vote count is missing Drew's vote change on the previous page

[Alduskkel]

The strangest part about this is that your vote on me was ineffective as pressure because it was removed before I even posted again. The whole point of pressuring someone is to see how they react.You also voted me before I responded to your question, when you specifically said I was "pending further evaluation."Are you deliberately leaving out these important details?

We explained that with the hydra dissonance thing, did you not see Evening's post? Do you still think that's a valid reason, given our explanation?
And the pending further evaluation thing means you're an unsure; I feel like you're putting too much weight on the vote for reasons I don't really get, plus the context makes sense as well since our current vote was on Drew who we started liking.

~Dawn

I don't really like the hydra dissonance explanation. You guys seem fairly coordinated as of late, so why weren't you coordinated back then? Especially something as important as vote placement.

Because in-context it was less "moving their vote to pressure another scumread" and more "moving their vote onto a new tasty wagon opportunity":

I remember melody scumreading me at that point in the game. Why is it one over the other

This is the only time Melody mentions scumreading you prior to and including the post where they vote you:

Dislike Cat's reaction to Fark's readslist. Obviously she's right on the point that the top 3 have no reason to be town, but the added on "Why did you feel the need to make a readslist?" feels like overkill. What are you hoping to accomplish asking that question? I see Cat's follow-up is that the readslist could be "scum trying to look busy". i disagree on the basis of suspecting people for early readslists >:x

~Evening

This isn't really a convincing case. Melody also didn't really try to get other people to vote you or further investigate your alignment by engaging with you -- it looks more like they just parked their vote on you.

I'm also not feeling his reason for scumreading Melody. I feel like it's pretty normal to join a growing wagon and even a bit townie as stubbornly parking on a wagon by yourself won't generate any meaningful pressure.

So if the growing wagon = your wagon, then you're suggesting the alternative was Melody parking their vote on me "by themselves" (actually Farkset was voting me as well). But how do they know whether or not the pressure is meaningful if they didn't even wait for me to post?

[Alduskkel]

I'm surprised Dunnstral didn't come here to vote me. Actually, can we talk about the fact that drew basically just dumped his vote on me and then dipped?

Iconeum, is your skitter vote serious?

[Alduskkel]

Are you still catching up on the thread?

[Alduskkel]

gonna be honest haven't read everything, but especially skitter and datisi townreads can you expand on those? Really curious what exactly makes you townread them.

oh wait i'm dumb you already answered that

anyway can I ask what your reads are

[Alduskkel]

ok but don't hold your breath for dunnstral

[Alduskkel]

skitter can you summon me too

[Alduskkel]

WHO DARES TO SUMMON ME

oh hi skitter

[Alduskkel]

anyway drew's claim strikes me as town unless it's some weird gambit where one of his scumbuddies is the neighborizer (but that's super risky)

pedit: YES ABSOLUTELY CAN WE FINALLY GET THAT MELODY WAGON ROLLING FINALLY

[Alduskkel]

imo Melody is scum and CSF is town

Melody flipping scum is definitely +equity for town!CSF

both scum would be surprising due to the wagon hop by Melody from me to CSF

[Alduskkel]

like I'm not townreading CSF based on what they've posted but more on how the rest of the game has behaved with regard to the slot, if that makes sense?

[Alduskkel]

Because I'm kinda lynchalicious? Not only in this game but in a lot of my recent town games (Micros 900, 930, and 935) I've been suspected a lot, although it didn't always result in me getting lynched

Since Melody is a secret hydra they could easily be aware of this.

I can see Melody + brass but why do you throw in Jackson/Iconeum in there? Do they have associations with Melody?

[Alduskkel]

You think scum!us are specifically targeting you? There's far easier pushes this game that draw less attention on the less vocal slots.

~Dawn

Disagree. Less vocal slots on average don't gain as much suspicion (at least D1) as more active slots that post things people find scummy or even just things people disagree with.

[Alduskkel]

Beetlejuicing is when you show up in the thread after your name is mentioned, especially if it's people suspecting you

commonly considered a scumtell because it's survivalistic in nature

[Alduskkel]

We'd stated many times surrounding that post that we had no scumreads and only had small scum impressions - one of those being Cats. That quoted post is not a "case" as you call it, so of course it's not convincing, it was just our thoughts on Cats at the time. What's your gripe?

I was responding to CSF saying this:

I remember melody scumreading me at that point in the game.

CSF said you were scumreading her so that's why I brought up your post.

[Alduskkel]

datisi datisi datisi i summon thee

what are your thoughts on dunnstral and alimdia?

(also NM are you planning on actually doing something?)

[Alduskkel]

alright good talk

[Alduskkel]

i'll give you a cookie if you vote melody

[Alduskkel]

My "gripe" is that it didn't really justify your vote on CSF. I wouldn't have a problem if in that same post you had voted CSF, but voting CSF after a wagon started to form and before you got any response from your vote on me is scummy.

[Alduskkel]

@Mod: Drew is overdue for a prod.

nm is gut-pinging me as town but i couldn't articulate this at all

how can you possibly have any read on NM

To be honest the recent alduskel is not bad, but like... it's late for me to reconsider his position, there's still the thing that i have seen huge resistance against his wagon and i feel like the almidia wagon is quite terrible atm and being used as a counterwagon to save him.

"Huge resistance" sounds like a fancy way of saying "skitter pointing out why my wagon sucks." And anyway, what makes the resistance to my wagon any different from the resistance to Melody's wagon?

[Alduskkel]

I don't like you saying "posthumously" as though my lynch is set in stone.

JV I don't have much to say about. The early ignorance seemed feigned tbh and the alimdia vote was bad too.

The main issue I had with brass was his vote on me. I can't find anything AI about NM.

DP is the towniest of the 3. His 1v1 with you seemed like TvT to me.

[Alduskkel]

is no lynch even that bad when we're at an even number of players?

[Alduskkel]

it's better to no lynch than to lynch a PR right?

[Alduskkel]

then we probably shouldn't risk lynching JV or NM

[Alduskkel]

i guess that's the hammer? there's definitely 2-3 scum on my wagon. good luck tomorrow town :\

[Alduskkel]

wait I thought DC's cop claim was a joke

[Alduskkel]

@Melody: Dude I "sound like a broken record" because

you

sound like a broken record. You kept asking me about it over and over. I'm so sick of arguing about this because we're never going to agree.

Aldus clearly softclaimed VT

When did I do this?

[Alduskkel]

This game is a frustrating shitshow. Feels like a goddamn repeat of the last time I played Pick Your Power.

[Alduskkel]

it's better to no lynch than to lynch a PR right?

then we probably shouldn't risk lynching JV or NM

Pretty clear softie of a VT

Also very good fakehammer from NM, the mod had actually closed the topic for a couple minutes and i fell for it too. I don't think you fell for it though, aldus? Was 1131 sincere?

-Farkran

It was sincere.

And yeah, you're right, I'm a VT. I tried to pick Neighborizer since I thought I'd have a good shot + I wanted to neighborize Datisi 'cause we talk a lot via site chat anyway, except it's a little awkward trying to avoid talking about this ongoing game so I figured neighborizing him was the solution.

It's also why I was quick to believe Drew was town for his claim.

[Alduskkel]

Why is drew not a thing? Someone said he was a wagon earlier, why did that die?

Neighborizer claim seemed pretty town

2 to 3 scum on your wagon looks like a lot though. Did you update your opinion after 887?

-Farkran

Okay 3 scum might be a stretch, I was feeling upset when I thought I was hammered. But Melody and BH have very good odds of being scum imo.

pedit: oh god stop posting so I can post

[Alduskkel]

What is "wim"?

I am very interested in a Melody lynch

@DC: Because claiming a partner's PR can easily drag 2 scum down instead of just 1

[Alduskkel]

lmao I actually forgot about that, I was going 100% off memory and the only thing I remembered was getting counterclaimed by a VT when I was town cop

[Alduskkel]

wait do you seriously want to lynch someone at this stage based on the number they picked?

[Alduskkel]

i still think no lynch is a totally valid option since we have an even number of players

and sure there could be a 1-shot vig but there could also be a doctor or a commuter or a roleblocker or a pgo or any other number of roles that would leave us at odd numbers

[Alduskkel]

it upsets me how many people KNOW i'm town but are still voting me

[Alduskkel]

this one goes out to my homies

GG

[Alduskkel]

yeah NM killed farkset lol

[Alduskkel]

more like, good thing dunn pulled through with the guilty or else the town would still have won but it would have been way way way slower and more painful to watch

[Alduskkel]

i'm cool with releasing scum PT, no redactions