Open 787 || Lovers Mafia — Game Over

[Deimos27]

I have arrived

[Deimos27]

Sorry for the late entrance, I'm coming in off a V/LA. Good to see 10 pages already. I'll skim as much as I can real quick but it's already quite late at night here.

[Deimos27]

I love this playerlist

[Deimos27]

innocentvillager's playstyle is hilarious, but I must say it at least seems effective at getting the game out of RVS

With that said, i think your way of playing is town indicative

"Way of playing" implies that you townread the playstyle. But a playstyle this unique needs to be consistent between alignments, so I'm surprised you can tr what iv has shown here with no consideration to meta

[Deimos27]

should I sl u for this?

+town for resonance
But why do you vote Nash rather than Norwee here?

[Deimos27]

the point of this game is to be more certain and reduce the amount of uncertainty. It's certainty scummy to cast doubt and just keep every possibility open because this is a scum!motivation not a town!motivation

IV: makes low info super low prob reads
Norwee: calls him out
IV: surprised pikachu

I respect that IV tried to find reads out of the low probability phase in this game, but the idea that town should increase certainty is absolute nonsense. Mafia is probabilistic, and reads should reflect that fact. If available information suggests a 40% chance X is scum, but Y says it's 75%, then it is

pro-town

for X to reduce certainty by disagreeing with Y and arguing that it is 40%, so that town has more

accurate

reads by which to maximise their EV.

This is a rubbish reason to scumread Norwee. And you straw man him heavily with "to cast doubt and just keep every possibility open".

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

what the actual fuck

oh fine, I thought it was a hammer.

Norweg looking real scummy here so far. Trying to cover for his lurker buddy Deimos.

VOTE: Norweg

Lmao.
VOTE: Battle Mage

If i’m lynched my guess is that Battle Mage + whichever one of Nash/Deimos hammers is scum.

Page 4 and you're out of ideas already? Damn dude!

VOTE: Norweg

Let's do this!!

This progression does not compute

[Deimos27]

Norwee got to L-1 far too quickly for reasons far too weak.

[Deimos27]

oh fine, I thought it was a hammer.

Why would you unvote if you thought it was a hammer? That wouldn’t change anything.

how could it possibly have been a hammer when we have 4 people and Norweeg obviously didn't vote himself, feels like a basic sanity check

Two reasons to doubt that BM genuinely mistook that for a hammer. The unvote comes off as bad acting due to reason 1. Reason 2 gives a cognitive mechanism as to why players are more likely to notice that it was only L-1 than they are not to.

[Deimos27]

Listen to this. How does a Battle Mage/Nash team sound? BM is surface level scummy AF, while Nash seems to be keeping his options open and playing with an agenda. He claims to scumread IV but "puts ghost vote" on Norwee.

I'll let you know what I think of Nash when I get to a single Nash post. I haven't read his post on this page but I do see that it concludes with a vote on me, which is very ? ? ?

[Deimos27]

You're pretty null to me so far Norwee but the push on you as of page 4 is so horrendous that it's more likely there's scum on that than that all three other townies apart from myself accurately identified scum!Norwee off little to no evidence and decided to instant wagon it.

[Deimos27]

I do have to sleep now. Please don't generate another 10 pages overnight.

[Deimos27]

I was considering the possibility of a white flag gambit but this pressure on Norwee has lasted so long that it's very unlikely it involves a bus. Counting Nash that's now four people pushing him which mathematically confirms it as scum driven fmpov

[Deimos27]

Norwee Nash is right that it makes no sense for you to lock me as town for defending you though. FYPOV I could be scum whiteknighting letting my partner push you through

[Deimos27]

Hmm, but I do think I can ignore that, because, as mentioned, the chances of a bus here are so low. Norwee has strong town equity just by arguing from best explanation for the gamestate

[Deimos27]

Word is probably the towniest player atm. And I like how he stalled the pressure on Norwee, though it's not all that hard to fake as scum

[Deimos27]

im ok with that course of action
it seems both norwee and deimos r rly motivated with BM
so let me tell ya somethin
deimos, vote for norwee so we can end the day and ull be my conftown
ill sheep u to whoever u want tomorrow, no matter whom
how bout that?

Or we could go for the higher EV play of just not eliminating Norwee

[Deimos27]

I'm not convinced by the IV townread. Tunnels are often towntells because they're hard to fake and bold to take, but though this one might be bold to take it's very much not hard to fake.

I'll glance at IV meta later today.

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Deimos27]

Nash can you summarize in no more than two or three sentences why Norwee is scum?

[Deimos27]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Deimos27]

We take these