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Well I do.
TR Isis for #23 and #31 because I thought the same things.
TR Hellbrooks for #57.
#72 from Isis has me questioning. Maybe it really was funny?
I like Marksman's #92, VT.
Hiraki's #93, #94, and #96 I'm in disagreement with.
SR Hiraki for #110 and aggression of #108.
Hiraki's #122 and #124 are even more hostile.
Chemical Elements' #123 sounds level-headed.
I lol'd at Hellbrooks' #126. I'd almost guess you were Mel Brooks trolling on the internet.
TR Hayasaka for #131 and #132 despite the votes. Feeling the second take in #132.
Hiraki's #145 sounds like overreactionary defending of scumbuddy Weyloun.
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innocentvillager reads like someone who's high. The editing of Hiraki's name into "Supreme Leader" is a silly, albeit trolly touch. My gut read on innocentvillager is "Unfortunately Town."
If innocentvillager *is* on a mafia team, I suspect he'll need them to carry. In which case he may as well be ignored until we clean the rest of them up.
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Gonna update this just cause.
TOWN
Casey
Hayasaka
hellbooks
Marksman
ALMOST TOWN
Chemical Elements
Nono
innocentvillager
Isis
WHO?
Lavender
ileileile
spicer1209
DOESN'T LIKE MY ENTRANCE
Elements
MAFFERS
Hiraki
WeyounsLastClone
I'm not going to get in trouble for posting a lot, am I? Sometimes I have thoughts and then the thoughts end so I tap Submit. But then I have more thoughts.
Also Elements' posts are slimy.
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@hellbrooks: Nothing innocentvillager did stood out at all in my initial read. Had to go back through the ISO to get a read.
@Hikari: You say let's go deeper but you still only do a surface-level read. I think you're speaking a foreign language at times. By going deeper I mean reading beyond the words and delving into the author's intent, consistency, and mindset. Don't look at the words, feel the emotional energy that resonates from them. That's what I do.-
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Nono reads as both ESL and trolly, so attempting to divine intent is difficult.
@Hiraki:
1) Explain how it's a misrep by explaining why your unvote isn't related to that post by Isis.
2) I make a request of you in order to better understand you and you refuse by calling it coaching? And then you act like the onus is on me.
You're trying to say that the red house is looking plaid. Can you give one straight answer? or is deflection your default state of existence?
In post 220, Hiraki wrote:
This is blatant misrep and I'm not sure if this is coming from town or scum.In post 211, Casey wrote:Hiraki: "Isis would do 23 and 31 that as scum."
Isis: "Yeah I totally would."
Hiraki: Unvote Isis.
There's a lot to unpack here.
Please don't try and coach me. You're not explaining anything. That's all I said. It's still true. Your "emotions" aren't conveyed very well.In post 213, Casey wrote:@Hikari: You say let's go deeper but you still only do a surface-level read. I think you're speaking a foreign language at times. By going deeper I mean reading beyond the words and delving into the author's intent, consistency, and mindset. Don't look at the words, feel the emotional energy that resonates from them. That's what I do.
Agreed but it does not help that I think hellbooks flips scum here.In post 216, Hayasaka wrote:
I didn't like dedicating a post to that either, but this post feels like a bit of a stretch to me on what is happening.In post 201, Isis wrote:hellbooks dedicates a full post to discouraging a scum-threatening townblock from developing around hayasaka in a setup where she can't be killed before getting a chance to mention it.-
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@Wey: "Casey - Starting the game late, but brings the heat and some decent posts with interesting analysis"
Could you expound on that? For having me lean town and calling my posts "decent" and "interesting" (empty words) you don't seem to have subscribed to any beliefs held within them. It reads like you're saying that to get me off your tail.
Time to make good on your words: what do you consider to be spot-on accurate in my posts? You're welcome to say nothing and admit you've no idea what you're talking about. I won't fault you for that.-
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It's mind-blowing how tone-deaf Hiraki can be. To simply not answer questions because it's "cooler" to deflect or whatever. This attitude exists only to get me to shut up. It's Hiraki's way or the highway. I've made multiple attempts to scratch at the surface, but he'll shut down even the simplest of queries. I'd make more a dent in a wall with my head.
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Welcome to the land of false equivalencies, population Hiraki.
In post 266, Hiraki wrote:Well, if that's correct, then you should have no problem rallying a wagon right?-
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@Wey: Thank you for explaining like a real human being would.
Re: IV, the way it was done meant nothing to me.
In post 267, WeyounsLastClone wrote:
It does seem you have a knack for mispresenting people's words (please don't start to talk about houses...). Decent/interesting is not the same as 'spot-on'.In post 262, Casey wrote:@Wey: "Casey - Starting the game late, but brings the heat and some decent posts with interesting analysis"
Could you expound on that? For having me lean town and calling my posts "decent" and "interesting" (empty words) you don't seem to have subscribed to any beliefs held within them. It reads like you're saying that to get me off your tail.
Time to make good on your words: what do you consider to be spot-on accurate in my posts? You're welcome to say nothing and admit you've no idea what you're talking about. I won't fault you for that.
You interact (and confront), refer to specific posts and actions, and actively indicate your town and scum-reads, and that's what I appreciated (maybe I should have elaborated in my post and not just called it 'decent', but it was getting quite late here in Netherlands and wanted to make sure I got my list out before I went to bed;). That I like your posting style and confrontations, and get a town-vibe from that does not mean I fully agree with your findings or your reads. Interesting was referencing that you seem to be quite direct, and call out things directly (in post #160 and some of your interactions with Hiraki).
One question I still had based on below
The first thing Innocentvillager did was vote for everyone, did that not stand out to you? Or saw it as a null-tell, or townie move?In post 213, Casey wrote:@hellbrooks: Nothing innocentvillager did stood out at all in my initial read. Had to go back through the ISO to get a read.-
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That's what happens when there are only two loud people around at one time.
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tbf it was a bad post ; )In post 234, Marksman wrote:Wey, should I be worried your top guess for scum is someone with 1 post?
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I'm sure Hiraki is plotting this right now.
This is wrong. I'm absolutely convinced Hiraki will flip scum.In post 311, Hiraki wrote:I felt that your second part is just how the rules work. The game could technically end with one dunk if things were planned carefully enough.
In post 285, Isis wrote:Locked your vote's movement, tomato tomato
By "seemingly on principle" I mean you're voting him in a way that doesn't actually seem like its because you believe he will flip scum
This is Hiraki literally describing his own behavior and attributing it to me.
Attempting multi-quoting.In post 291, Hiraki wrote:Wow, haven't seen anyone butthurt over being wrong in a game in awhile. Casey even avoids when other people call her out lol.-
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@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.
Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.
In post 346, Almost50 wrote:
This is almost a scum claim from my PoV.In post 87, Marksman wrote:@all - Almost time for the first dunk. Should be innocentvillager for the fake/forced tone.
As a matter of fact, I am willing to vote marks, Nono, and hellbooks. I also don't mind voting any of the other people I talked about in my 328 post, but I doubt Lav is aligned with either of WLC ot hellbooks (whom I've corrected her name TWICE from "hellbox", so if I ever appear to be calling her that you know it's not intended.)
You know what?
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Nono
VOTE: hellbooks
VOTE: WLC (The full version of that name is too annoying to type)
Chemical Elements gets a pass for now (sheeping Elements)
I am also warming up to vote for spicer & Hayasaka (they have yet to post at this point, but I will wait to see when and what they post.-
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This is my first towngame ever on this site.In post 345, innocentvillager wrote:um I didn't comment on it because it's so weak? but if you insist, yeah maybe I'll also just go to everyone's most recent towngame, look at their opening and scumread them because I can find a difference...-
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A50, you creepy AF, man.
In post 388, Almost50 wrote:
On the very contrary, I am actually becoming a bid fan of hers. I think I'm going to join more games with her because she makes laugh (she kinda reminds me of my sister-in-law whom I just adore)In post 191, Casey wrote:Lavender makes me feel sad.-
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None.
In post 419, Almost50 wrote:
How much prior experience do you have with Hiraki??In post 374, Casey wrote:I'm absolutely convinced Hiraki will flip scum.-
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@Almost50: Nono to me reads as ESL. If they're not, I apologize.
Have you considered that Hellbooks' posts contain paragraph breaks which indicate separate thoughts? That's all I get from 329, 330, and 331. Sure, questioning the naked votes is appropriate, but calling Hellbooks mafia for not realizing people can have two independent thoughts in a single post is bizarre.
In post 421, Almost50 wrote:
Who is ESL?In post 376, Casey wrote:@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.
How convenient that you unvote the person most likely to be mafia from your list of votes.
Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.
My votes were on hellbook, Marks, WLC & Nono.
I am voting hb for inconsistencies and vague postings (agreeing to a TR on someone w/o elaborating what exactly they agree). mainly check my 329, 330 & 331. Nobody said anything about it being a conditional read!!!
I was voting Marks mainly for his vote on IV with the remark that we needed to eliminate/dunk someone ASAP.
I voted Nono for the vote on IV too, plus every other post of theirs just rubs me the wrong way (take the "I wanna hammer" troll for instance, or their vote on me in 368, just off the top of my head)
Finally, WLC I was voting for what appears to me now as a clash in playstyles. I also had assumed he was much more experienced than he really is (although if we go just by total post count he's look like 4-5 times as experienced as you are, adespite the fact you both have really old accounts)
Also, in my 328 I said I was sus of how the wagon on IV was building, but it was not the sole/main reason for me to vote anyone. It was just a pool I'd be digging into (more of a self-reminder, if you will).
Other than that I still don't know who ESL is, and I did not vote anyone outside these 4.-
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I have played elsewhere but upon meeting people IRL......so I don't go back there.Spoiler:
In post 420, Almost50 wrote:In fact, how experienced are you in general? Seeing as you have only 198 posts on the site (Did your old stuff get deleted? Are you an alt?)-
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What didIn post 422, Almost50 wrote:
The "sheesh" is on you, lady. Austin Powers never calls you ladies. He calls you chicks, most likely.In post 378, Casey wrote:@Almost50: You know you're perfectly welcome to call can call us women. Or ladies. Heck even gals. But do you call your guy friends the males? Sheesh.
Disclaimer: SERIOUSLY. I was saying I should have played under an alt of AUSTIN POWERS. What did you expect??Iexpect??
I expect people to understand that trauma is lifelong, and that it's pervasive in our world, and that people on a mafia site would not contribute to denying agency.
If this is the kind of callous "playful" behavior I'll be subjected to, I regret ever coming back to play again.-
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I only do gut reads. I'm trash with analyzing game mechanics and flips. AtE works wonders on me.In post 450, Marksman wrote:How's your intuition, Casey?
I want to subscribe to your current train of thought but I really don't think IV is mafia.-
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I'm not sure of the conditional but I do think Marksman is town and probably wrong.In post 462, Isis wrote:
If you're a gut player, does this mean you think Marksman is town, you just think he's wrong?In post 461, Casey wrote:
I want to subscribe to your current train of thoughtIn post 450, Marksman wrote:How's your intuition, Casey?-
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Geeeet dunked on!
Next dunk, cleaning up the Almost50 trash:
In post 421, Almost50 wrote:
Who is ESL?In post 376, Casey wrote:@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.
Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.
My votes were on hellbook, Marks, WLC & Nono.
I am voting hb for inconsistencies and vague postings (agreeing to a TR on someone w/o elaborating what exactly they agree). mainly check my 329, 330 & 331. Nobody said anything about it being a conditional read!!!
I was voting Marks mainly for his vote on IV with the remark that we needed to eliminate/dunk someone ASAP.
I voted Nono for the vote on IV too, plus every other post of theirs just rubs me the wrong way (take the "I wanna hammer" troll for instance, or their vote on me in 368, just off the top of my head)
Finally, WLC I was voting for what appears to me now as a clash in playstyles. I also had assumed he was much more experienced than he really is (although if we go just by total post count he's look like 4-5 times as experienced as you are, adespite the fact you both have really old accounts)
Also, in my 328 I said I was sus of how the wagon on IV was building, but it was not the sole/main reason for me to vote anyone. It was just a pool I'd be digging into (more of a self-reminder, if you will).
Other than that I still don't know who ESL is, and I did not vote anyone outside these 4.In post 399, Almost50 wrote:
Um... I've just checked your topics. Did you really stop playing since 2012? Is this your first game in 8 years?? Geez! I seem to ALWAYS have a playstyle clash with the "old guard", so..In post 257, WeyounsLastClone wrote:
Ah, okay, thanks; I misremembered then, thought it was werewolf/mafia jumping in last minute to lynch with fellow scum.In post 253, Marksman wrote:Bus means voting/pushing for a scum partner. I think you mean just being opportunistic in general.
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You had your chance. It's too late to come crawling back. You can jump into your bed of nails now.In post 529, Almost50 wrote: @casey: You said you'd unvote when I've "earned it". What would it take for me to earn it?-
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Reviewing Wey's only list.In post 226, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Glad to see almost everyone posted thoughts. I wish I could be as coherent as some of you with your thoughts and analyses, my mind goes all places reading the different interactions and suspicions. But I'll give it a stab anyway:
Thinking town
Marksman - lot of content, and while that's not necessarily townie, I think he posts valid thoughts (although sometimes making mountains out of molehills, but that might be just my opinion ) and keep things going
Casey - Starting the game late, but brings the heat and some decent posts with interesting analysis
Chemical Elements - not to rehash the whole discussion again, but the initial posts and help with vote counts gave me a town-vibe. But slipping more towards neutral, not sure if post 101 was serious or trying to get more votes on innocent
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Hellbooks - initially thought she was trying to create chaos and leaning scum, but I guess that's her way of posting. and it's funny, which always helps
Hiraki - A bit hit and miss, sometimes slightly opportunistic, but happy he understood my post that caused the stir.
Isis - started to post a lot, then a bit less (or it could have been night, not sure where she's from). Felt maybe a bit too serious from the start.
Lavender - Could be a real confused townie, but could be an excuse as well. Not sure as scum why you'd post stuff like that, but as town you could easily read the thread and see them both posting. If it was just uncertainty who to vote for I could understand, but ChemElement/Elements has been addressed even before.
Hayasaka - Maybe I don't trust her as she's voting for me, but not sure I follow her reasoning in initial posts 131 and 132
Elements - Opportunistic vote on Casey, don't get much from the other posts made
Leaning scum
Nono - Still find his posts non-coherent, and then goes V/LA
spicer1209 - with lack of posts, need something more than that initial post. Want to read his thoughts before putting actual vote in though.
I really don't know about innocentvillager anymore. Voting for just everyone still doesn't sit well with me, but actually the way he interacted after that and updated his suspicions seemed quite town.
Unvote: innocentvillager
waiting for content:
Vote: ileileile
Hope I didn't miss anyone
Marksman: Wey seems genuinely afraid of Marksman.
Me: I called him out on his BS read of me and dunked accordingly.
Chemical Elements: This read is problematic. Someone he doesn't believe is town is shoved in the townpile. Rereading Chemical Elements, his #407 makes me feel townie about him. He interacts heavily with Almost50 and Hiraki, so I feel fine about Chemical Elements.
Hellbooks: Are all the scum just saying "my buddies aren't scummy any more now that I understand them"? Because that would be wild.
Hiraki: Another "happy we understand each other" read.
Isis: This read is readless.
Hayasaka: This read requires additional research that I'm not willing to do at this time.
Lavender/Nono: Here, Wey comments essentially the same thing for both Lavender and Nono, but is nicer to Lavender. More indication Nono is town.
Spicer: Blank read.
Elements: Wey says clearly that Elements placed anopportunisticvote on me. Yet Elements isn't even leaning scum for that? Red flag here.
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Never mind on that Hayasaka read. Elements pretty much confirms Hayasaka is town.
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What in the world is this..?
In post 439, Elements wrote:I think A50 is townIn post 541, Elements wrote:also why are people voting a50 so readily?
5 posts later...In post 551, Elements wrote:
neither you or hayasaka were voting for the scum flip and then you votedIn post 545, Marksman wrote:@Elements - Why do you think he's town, and what's suspcious about Hayasaka/I putting him on D-1?a50 who I think is town
The only thing I did was quote A50's stupid Wey unvote. Was that really enough to change your tune??
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Forgot where he was putting a buddy.In post 566, innocentvillager wrote:
why would scum!Wey go out of his way to opinionate that the vote was opportunistic on scum!Elements and not put Elements into the scum bucket?In post 563, Casey wrote:In post 226, WeyounsLastClone wrote: Elements: Wey says clearly that Elements placed anopportunisticvote on me. Yet Elements isn't even leaning scum for that? Red flag here.
Biggest takeaway from this is Elements is mafia.-
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8 more dunks?? Do you expect us to get 5 dunks wrong??In post 568, innocentvillager wrote:anyway we need to dunk again, we have like 8 more dunks to go and it seems we are getting penalized for twilight. I can dunk A50 if needed, he's just null to me atm
actually, we should try to predict when RR will be on and dunk right before then.
My votes are down already.In post 569, Marksman wrote:VOTE: Lavender
@Ruby Red- Is Spicer being replaced?
We have less than 10 days left, people. Put your votes down and dunk.You're a monster.
Have you made any dishonest mistakes so far?In post 574, Lavender wrote: Uh, me thinking CE and Elements were the same was just an honest mistake, I posted without thinking or checking. ╮( ̄ω ̄;)╭-
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