Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

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Hi everyone, lovely to see you all on this blessed day. To introduce myself, I thought I’d share some pictures of my favourite things, beautiful trees!

Spoiler: Lovely trees

Spoiler: Look at this big beautiful specimen

Spoiler: A darling willow

Spoiler: More lovely trees

Spoiler: Pacific Northwest trees are especially beautiful

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Looks like morning tweet is back at it again with her scum strategy of pocketing everyone through being cute

VOTE: morning tweet

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ydrasse did you change ur avi?

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VOTE: ydrasse

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I love it! I just think you're likely slightly more likely to be scum than anyone else who's posted so far

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I love it! I just think you're likely slightly more likely to be scum than anyone else who's posted so far

Intriguing. Any details?

just her tone really

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just her tone really

I'd put her tone at friendly right now.

sure but it also felt kind of unnatural to me

Looks like morning tweet is back at it again with her scum strategy of pocketing everyone through being cute

VOTE: morning tweet

(ﾉω-｀)

Morning, I really don't know what his kawaii face means, I'm sorry

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inb4 the scumteam is exactly clidd + ydrasse

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I'm like semi in the mood

have you ever actually played against scum!me btw clidd?

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I have a very solid plan for winning this game

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oh no, I didn't mean to make morning sad, now I feel terrible

how can I make it up to you? voting someone? a lovely compliment? setting fire to some trees for you? a bit of fruit?

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I have a very solid plan for winning this game

we treestump all the strongest players so the arsonists can't incinerate them, they carry from beyond the grave, we win?

um, this plan was meant to be secret morning, how did you get into my safe

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I'm like semi in the mood

have you ever actually played against scum!me btw clidd?

No, I haven't. But I studied in past games, during the days, your scumgame.

It's kind of bad to say that (because you probably saw what happened to my wrong Skitter review), but I don't think the same error would happen to you.

Okay, that's ringing a bell, I think I recall you doing analyses. Why do you think you wouldn't make the same error on me?

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Also I'm not going to play this by geriatric rules exactly but can someone try to tell me if I start hitting over 15 posts a (real life) day because I don't wanna make it unbearable for Pine who I've missed and who I know won't appreciate too much spam

I'm just excited for now though

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her*

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............fruit would be nice thanks

Spoiler:

And I'm not saying you're scum here, Im saying that I know how do you play.

*note to self, kill clidd first*

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wait whoops, that was meant to be in my errr

notes PT

sure, let's go with that

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don't worry about it, I only ever openwolf as town

Spoiler:

pls no ban, it very easy to confirm I openwolf as both alignments with a quick meta check

errr, I did legit think about whether it would be worth killing GL and then just sheeping him but that seems like a really boring way to play the game and also like a really shitty way for him to die as scum and just generally Not Fun(tm)

also I think that just incentivises scum to play around that person really hard and I know GL is not immune to scum actively playing around him (because I've done it lol) so I think this probably makes him less effective anyway even if he is town?

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is that a townslip I see

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I only play in playerlists with loads of good players to get carried to victories and to keep my sweet, sweet win rate % high so I can continue to fool people into thinking I know what I'm doing muahahaha

(am I becoming isis)

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I also think farren is a little scummy but wanted to let him post more before letting him know he was under suspicion

VOTE: farren

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I was thinking about how a lot of players in this PL are high WIM tryhards

high WIM tryhards?? in my good christian playerlist??? where????

(p.s. why is gamma your top TR?)

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I wouldn't be down for policying somebody solely because we think they'd still be good as a tree stump.

that's exactly what my top choice for someone to treestump based on BoP

would

say!

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...so then what do you make of him immediately backing off on it once questioned further?

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is it bad that I really sort of think clidd is scum?

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moooooorning tweeeeeeeeeeeet where aaaaaaraaaare youuuuuuuuuu

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I don't think I've ever played relaxed before, so the difference in behavioral comparison should suggest the impression you have.

yeah, I mean it could do, but also I think you played more relaxed last time you were scum and then got beaten for being off your meta? and I think you're a pretty smart guy, so I can totally see you pre-empting a behavioural /pattern/ you know you have by saying "ahh I'm gonna be relaxed so if I'm not town telling so strongly it's because of that not because I'm scum guys!"

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WAT

helo

hi

do you think clidd might be a villain here?

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oh, sorry, I wasn't talking about that: I meant nomination mafia (or whatever it was, partition maybe? it had ABR in it and he posted a super braggadoccio thing in maf!discuss about ~*OUT WIFOMING*~ using it as an example

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yeah cult games are awful never do that

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yeah but it's more like... I felt you were notably lower WIM from the beginning and if that was your first scumgame (I think it was?) I can see you being unaware that playing scum would have that impact on your posting and make you catchable. and the fact I think you'd be aware of what be a very hard tendency for you to control in your posting (it's really hard to force WIM) makes it likely that scum!you would give a reason to explain that pre-emptively

but okay, talk to me about why you want this to be a more relaxed game for you?

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like why did your last two games cognitively fatigue you in a way I don't remember seeing from town!you before?

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FWIW i kind of doubt "relaxedness" or laying back is a clidd scumtell, i dont recall him playing like that in Zoey's extraordinary mafia.

I really remember thinking he just didn't have the same WIM in partition that he normally does when I read his ISO there. like not that he just magically became completely incapable of producing some of his big posts and analyses and stuff, but just like the sense that he... *really, really wanted* to figure out the mafia and people's alignments was.. absent?

I also don't think I've ever seen town him emote like that post you linked in Zoey's morning, but if that's a scum tell for him I'll bet he's fixed it by now

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Menalque, I really don't think I can explain in a rational way to you why I want to play more ''relaxed''.

It is very stressful to play within my game pattern, so I want to use this game as a window to try to play in a different way, without such a big commitment (like researches, wallposts, etc.) and be able to have fun in the process. After the comeback of our last game (you know which game), I want some space to breathe, if that makes sense to you.

okay, but I guess it's that you've played this way for a while and I don't remember you really feeling like you needed to take a break of change your play style before? am I misremembering?

so that kind of makes me concerned that this could be cover for you to not get caught for not doing the things that you would normally do as town. which is why I wanna talk about why exactly our last game together was more stressful for you than other stressful games I know you've had in the past, after which you didn't want to/feel the need to change your playstyle? (again, unless you did say you wanted to do that/try to do that in the past too)

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hi ydrasse!

policy guillotining of all lurkers? what are your thoughts?

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Ah, I don't want to talk about self-meta and other things Menalque, sorry. I already know which way this will take.

err what do you mean you know which way this will take? like I'd really like to talk to you about this and to deal with it in good faith? if you can explain to me what it is that you felt burned out on specifically as a result of your last games vs not feeling that way on your prior games, I'll leave it alone

not addressing this is just going to make me more paranoid and more likely to keep on it? which I'm sorry for, but that's how my brain works.

if you just don't wanna talk about it *right now* that's fine and I can certainly wait a couple of days or whatever for a better time for you to discuss it, but it's a conversation we sorta gotta have some point on D1 if you're town

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yay pagetop.

do you think your line of questioning is gonna help you sort clidd in the longrun? i don't see it giving much in the way of alignment. :>

well like, I'm currently worried about clidd. that's mostly because I feel like he's trying to pre-emptively justify being not on-meta. which like, good very well be because he's burned out from the last couple of games and he's totally being truthful and just wants to have a chill game. in which case, great! I want him to have that too!

but first I need to check the bit at the back of my mind going "huh, clidd has been very different to his town meta as scum and has lost as scum (maybe partially because of that lack of the ability to fake WIM?) because of that, if he's aware that his meta is different as scum, why wouldn't he try to get everyone to expect something different from normal from him, so that when people go 'hey clidd, you're not on-meta' he can go 'yeah didn't you see my post at the start of the game on why that is? I'm not scum promise'" and again, could well be true. won't feel good until I understand why those last couple of games prompted a different response in him to previous games he'd had that were also stressful

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people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

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I think morning tweet is town.
I think ydrasse is probably town.
I think GL is probably town.

Pine is null.
Gamma is null.
Dunn is null.

I think farren is kinda scummy.

I think clidd is either scum or town depending on the outcome of my current line of questioning. I think he'll firm up a lot by the end of talking this through.

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I'm cognitively fatigued after my last two games, so I don't intend to do wallposts here.

Mena, what do you currently give the odds that clidd is scum trying to justify being off-meta with this comment, versus being town (or even scum!) who just wants to play more low key

I really don't know, morning, that's why I'm asking him.

At rand there's a 75% chance it's the truth, but I'd like to be sure against the 25% chance it's not.

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people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

i mean, i don't think that lurkers just don't post content

ever

. they have to to remain in the game, right?

you have to read them from what's there; i'm just against it being strictly on activity level alone when there's like 100000 factors that could explain quietness.

no but certainly if you're quiet enough you can produce just enough to stay in the game and not get kicked while definitely not producing anything reliably readable. not by me anyway, and how can you tell a townie who's just utterly apathetic and has a low postcount as a result of that vs a scum who's decided to just coast it out and take their chances on town eating itself? (esp if they have a partner infiltrating town blocs and steering people wrong)

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i would never! I just think you are pretty strongly like town so far. maybe I'm just drastically underestimating your scumgame which someone said was very good and who I generally respect, but you feel super similar to the last couple of games when you were town so I just wanna like townbin you and not worry about it

also, I'd feel so guilty for pocketing your tiny batface and would never be able to keep it up all game. look at those innocent, trusting eyes and those big flicky ears!

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err, maybe? but like idk if there are playerlists where that just wouldn't be interrogated very much and people would just go like "ahh, cool, fair enough!"... and so if he was scum and thought town were at least reasonably likely to do that it's not a lot of effort for a potentially high reward. but like this is really all just speculation that's maybe not that useful until clidd answers me or decides he's hard committing on not answering me which is like a whole other thing to then try and sort

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And it's toxic to use a personal reason to get some kind of advantage, in my opinion.

I think this is mostly true and will stop trying to read you based on this if you feel I'm pushing this angle too hard/you really feel uncomfortable talking about it?

but do you at least get where I'm coming from with wanting to talk about it?

if it's really objectionable I will try to just read you on how you play during the game but like if you can talk about it at a chill time which is good for you it would just help me feel better about you if you do end up playing v different to normal... or alternatively you promise me forgiveness if I cast a game losing vote on you in GyLo :X

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do you have any thoughts on who might be scum so far btw?

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I will do my best but like, if you do feel up to it (even if you wanna just throw it in a spoiler or whatever and then @me) it would definitely help me to feel better about your slot (if only in the form of removing paranoia) if you could

I'll leave it alone for now tho, yeah

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my take: I'm not good at the skilled parts of scum, like directing town into miselims or like PR speculation. i am okay at appearing townie but I myself don't know why so is that really that good?

because don't get guillotined = win games

if you can appear towny enough to do that pretty consistently then you're good at scum even if you're not great at power scumming or laser focused NKs

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yeah, I feel a bit better about clidd -- or like, I feel like he handled this in a pretty towny way. I don't feel like he was avoiding me in an agenda-y way and he felt very good faith and generous in the way he handled me. I still sort of want him to explain if he can at some point but rn I think he goes into my townreads

so like

I think Morning is town.
I think Clidd is town.
I think ydrasse is probably town.
I think GL is probably town, but actually maybe a little weaker than the other three.

Gamma, pine, dunn all null.

Farren is still bit more towards scum, I think. But if my townreads are right, then I think this is winning already.

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Gamma, pine, dunn all null.

Farren is still bit more towards scum, I think. But if my townreads are right, then I think this is winning already.

From where I'm standing, you being correct about your townreads (and Town yourself) means all the scum are in your null pile. How much of your townreads (both quantity and quality) are based on people scumreading me?

That’s possible. Err my townreads aren’t very based on people SRing you at all? I guess GL is the one that’s most influenced by that.

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Why does it seem opportunistic, dunn?

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I put you and pine there because you haven’t given enough content for me to see any reason to townread or scumread you yet. If every other slot posts stuff that I think makes it unlikely scum, and there are two slots that haven’t been posting anything, then yes — they default to my scumreads.

Also like, GL isn’t down there, and farren is? Idg why it’s opportunistic if farren is town?

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Farren, do you have any reads yet?

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I don't agree with you that Menalque is obvtown here

What is your read on me, GL?

Also, happy scumday!

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If nothing else, that Rising Star badge tells me you're more likely to fall towards the skilled end of things

Hoooo boy are you about to be disappointed

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Idk how I feel about 203 but I kinda want to mull on it for a bit

Thanks for answering all my questions, farren

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I think ydrasse is probably town.

Menalque what's your reasoning here? she feels way more casual/chill/friendly than I remember in either her scumgame or her towngame, I don't know how to read it

I’m p sure I read somewhere that ur only allowed a super cute avi if you’re okay with never rolling scum in games because it makes it unfair because it’s so easy to pocket people

It’s the same reason morning is always town and why I can’t seem to get a scum role pm since I changed to this anime avatar

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Hectic how did you know I was town?

I was just such a town boi in my brief time here on D1 that he couldn't shake that impression

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I only play in playerlists with loads of good players to get carried to victories and to keep my sweet, sweet win rate % high so I can continue to fool people into thinking I know what I'm doing muahahaha

(am I becoming isis)

incidentally, Isis, I saw you wondering about this and I didn't mean anything by it -- I purely meant that I felt my phrasing of this joke, not the content, was approaching yours (evidently you'd disagree)