Open 800 - Donner Party | Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I can comfortably say I’ve lost my confidence in town!Noraa though.

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It’s the crisis of faith. I might go back to being certain on Noraa but I wanted to make it official I was having doubts. And yeah I have been embellishing my confidence a little.

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I just wanna know where you’re at, since I’m inclined to put weight into your opinions rn

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You should know what’s flexing my opinion on you. And I don’t suspect you yet, I just wanna reconsider my read.

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It’s one where I think you’re acting obtuse for no reason.

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Fuck, who do you have meta on? I want those reads.

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Just you, Noraa, and now Goof. I am amongst the wild in this player list.

Can I get your reads on Noraa and DGB please?

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Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times.
I’m the vigilante and I killed BM, and he was mafia. Noraa is suspect for seeming to know Guillo was the scum kill. That’s why I’ve been having doubts about her. I don’t think it’s chkflip as BM’s partner because DT 100% gets yeeted D1 in that scenario imo.

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I was always claiming after eating a scum. Removes me as a suspect for dietician, and let’s Roleblocker know that 1) they shouldn’t block me and 2) blocking scum = blocking a kill, and vice versa
I probably won’t be acting at night for now to give Roleblocker a better chance to catch scum/clear town

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I have felt like Noraa’s posting that didn’t involve me was towny. Idk if the recent point is enough to outweigh that. I’m trying to ignore how the push on me makes me feel.

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You know what, something percolated in my think pan that makes Noraa probably a bit more sus. Nearly every time Noraa has hydra slipped she has posted something self-demeaning. The thing is, scum!Noraa uses AtE as a weapon, so it could be she’s self-flagellating to make people not pressure her as much?

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Then in this post, gamma says he's gonna holster.

I might be confbiasing but the more gamma talks the more worried I am that he is just scum that killed vig last night.

I mean if people WANT me to act that’s fine, but I’d rather not so roleblocker can be more confident about whether they blocked a kill or not. At this point RB is at maximum utility, since it doesn’t have to worry about blocking the right mafia.
Also where the fuck did Guillo soft PR? Imo his play was probably VT-like with how aggressive he was.
As for why BM, I just sensed a difference in his play from what I knew. He felt muted.

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Him repeatedly insisting he wasn't going to b eliminated = nooby softclaim.

That makes sense.

But I ALSO spoke like that. So Noraa can’t really believe that and push me at the same time.

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:nod: i think gamma is just town vig here because I am not SK also. ok! who are we killing then @Gamma

Just because I’m town for sure doesn’t mean I’m gonna magically have good reads. I’m probably gonna follow chk’s lead here as long as he doesn’t resort to cheap shots that take my goodwill towards him and tosses it in the waste bin. Like seriously, I legitimately was wanting to ask about his meta reads and once DGB called me scummy for asking about them chk just became that asshole in the background that jeers alongside the diss.

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VOTE: Chaos Triforce
Sure. @chkflip

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chk was right about superb and I from the get-go was inclined to trust chk more if that read was right

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F**you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times.
I’m the vigilante and I killed BM, and he was mafia. Noraa is suspect for seeming to know Guillo was the scum kill. That’s why I’ve been having doubts about her. I

don’t think it’s chkflip as BM’s partner because DT 100% gets yeeted D1 in that scenario i

mo.

why

BM and DT were in conflict
DT was also pushing superb whom chk was backing
I think if chk and BM were both scum they try very hard to push DT into being the D1 lim, and they’d have superb’s support, and probably guillo’s too?

[Gamma Emerald]

WELP!

Gamma, Can you claim your Nomnom plz?

mine was johnny, he was dietician
I'm gonna guess DGB was the SK and DT was the mafia's kill

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Alsoalso,
Sorry Noraa.
My meta read was wrong.
I won't use that sort of thing again until I play more games with you.

I actually feel really bad about that.

What was it even? You're still not being upfront about it.

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Okay on second thought instantly claiming my kill's flip wasn't smart
why'd you ask for that Ari? iirc I've seen you in a couple of these prior, has it not come up that not revealing the flip of the vig's kill before massclaim happens would be the smart play?

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WELP!

Gamma, Can you claim your Nomnom plz?

mine was johnny, he was dietician
I'm gonna guess DGB was the SK and DT was the mafia's kill

Because of ambiguity - are you saying you think DGB was the SK or was the SK's kill?

the latter

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so that means a couple things assuming truth
DGB was not SK
SK was hit by scum N1
Guillotina was the N1 SK kill

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if we hit SK today we can probably coordinate a gameplan to have both of us act...? Probably best to set that up in twilight fwiw if we wanna try

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ok seriously what the fuck does pob want

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You know I'm thinking about it and I feel like DT still definitely could have been mafia with BM
I was thinking about his possible alignment and it dawned on me we both got into a shitfight as scum together in ap ast game so I could 100% see a repeat performance, in actuality?

One probably-stupid idea I have is to no elim rn and see how many kills happen
In order to prevent the possibility of scum hitting the same target twice Ari would need to block someone
If we can decide on one person among {pob, catboi, chkflip} we are CERTAIN is town I feel fine doing this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

well johnny isn't town so that's a problem

why'd you think this?
I ate johnny because he seemed like a consensus SR from what I remembered

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do you see any mechanical holes in the plan?

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I was thinking I just holster since the entire idea is to discern number of remaining scum, so if I act that just gets in the way + ends up as a loss unless we do end up right about the slot we lock as town

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plus there's the possibility ari ate the RB

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why couldn't guillo have been RB?

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I hadn't really considered that, but that'd mean they stopped a kill. Who would they have blocked? Aristo?

Or SK got hit
Or two people targeted the same person

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Well what about the former?

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how

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why? Wouldn't it be smarter to let him get miselim'ed?

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eh okay
do you think I'm being bad by TRing catboi here?

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Why would you vote no elim on 3:1:1?

to test if that's the case?

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do we have any potential hints as to johnny's n1 target, actually?

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why do you think ari is scum again?

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where's the in-thread evidence

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okay
here's the thing: I trust you about as much as him and you aren't a claimed PR. So I'd rather elim you over Ari if I'm elimming someone

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yeah
Ari is scum or PR, you're scum or VT
therefore you're the less risky choice

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is that certain?

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who are the two yous

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if both scum die tonight then we win

but if you miss and i already died we lose

That doesn’t answer the question.

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is that certain?

For someone in the conf-town seat I'm not getting a lot of how you feel about what's happening or where we should go. Yknow. On account of you basically being conf-town. This probably isn't super familiar to you but you're sort of the town leader role here.

Lead your people, dude.

Tbh I wasn’t entirely aware of that, but even then last time I did the town-leader thing I led almost all 4 miselims
So there’s a bit of trepidation there yaknow?

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I feel solid about catboi being town and think you at least aren’t scum with BM. Ari and POV both aren’t really towny rn but I’d rather elim the claimed Vat over the claimed RB, even if the RB hasn’t acted entirely to how he probably should have.

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Unless you think I'm wrong about one of catboi/chkflip what's the problem?

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do you object though, or do you think chk might be SK? Do you think I'm wrongly TRing catboi?

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I'm either voting pob long or no elim. When pressed to defend his statements all pob long had in the end was "muh ari scumread!"

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What are the chk/bm anti-associatives?

BM was against DT d1, and chk was TRing superb who was also against DT. That would be 3/7 votes needed to lim DT, plus probably a vote or two from chaos and guillo. the fact things didn't swing that way means I don't think BM and chk are aligned.

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I'm either voting pob long or no elim. When pressed to defend his statements all pob long had in the end was "muh ari scumread!"

what the h*ck is wrong with you you pressed me to defend

YOU'R

STATEMENTS

You seemed like you had issue with what I was saying. When I asked why you couldn’t say anything much besides “Ari is scum nyeh”.
Did I misinterpret you agreeing with me as something else?

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I dont believe it one bit did you see my posts

Well duh, if you “believe” it you can’t push it

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That’s exactly what I said

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Actually hmm
You seem to be missing what scum!you would want to do, which I kinda think might be towntelling?
Is this a wrong concept @catboi/chk?

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VOTE: pob long
Nah fuck this. If you’re town you’re legitimately the shittiest player on the planet. You don’t understand how to communicate effectively AT ALL. You seemed to have issue with my reads but then you act all fucking confused, and are now trying to spin it like I’m making you defend something I said? Fuck off with that gaslighting.

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Why can’t it have been DT?

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I CAN see pob-sk killing off battle mage N1 since he was one of the few people wanting to get rid of pb on day 1.

I claimed the bm kill so I hope your suggesting me and pob both targeted BM n1

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okay if ari's scum I'm like a speck of lint in his pocket rn that's how hard it's gonna be to get me out

I'm quoting this entirely unrelated to the current happenings but to remind Gamma why he townread me in the first place and to consider whether it still holds true.

yeah it hasn't really changed and is part of why I don't think limming you rn is the best move
pob hasn't really done anything to help, he's lurked and when he has been present he's said absolute nonsense

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catboi based solely off of day play who do you think is scum this game

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Astro just said I am (''pob long') town but all thos new posts had parts trying to scare me.....WHO WANTS TO SCARE TOWNIES???and make me look like scum to gamma

how is aristo tryna scare you

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ari also could have hammered by now but hasnb't

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looks more like taunting than scaring

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ari'd be trying to convince me it was catboi if he thought that was the place to push

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tbh I think guillo ISO if we're just looking for reads as why he might've been killed, points to pob long, guillo had similar reads on ari and pob but pushed pob more

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I didn’t eat because I didn’t feel comfortable betting the game on my read of catboi vs. Ari

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I’m just intrigued because I 100% expected to die last night.

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VOTE: chkflip
I half thought you’d try to turn it on me but this works

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WOOO
seriously surprised how DT didn't get limmed D1

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Open 800 Donner Party Dead Thread

Whaaat. Yah i would have never considered you towm, because of policy. I guess the theory ive learnt no longer applies.

Haha you def wouldve been default townread from me that game good thing i died quick!

tbh I probably could've survived to the end if Gamma hadn't shot me for personal reasons. No indication he actually believed I was scum.

so the jig is up on this. When I vigged BM I had the mod send him a message letting him know that I meant what I'd told him about my feelings about his play in Xenoblade 2 mafia. It was interesting finding out I vigged scum based on a personal motive but kinda funny as I think I know how to read BM now.

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Also astonished dead PT forgot about pob, he never acted in a towny way imo

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well BM still got that I shot him for personal reasons so the message didn't even matter in the end.

PEdit: you weren't even "obv-town", I would never had shot you if I didn't have full confidence you were gonna flip town, I'm not THAT petty!

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why is it the same 3 damn setups for first-time mods in the open queue

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congrats quillotina ig
how did your reads end up tbh

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Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

Your reads weren't bad when you accepted I was town!

[Gamma Emerald]

congrats quillotina ig
how did your reads end up tbh

I was wrong all the time. The only good thing I did in this game was soft claim PR and take a shot from scum to potentially save a PR and I'm gonna pretend that PR is you. lol

yeah dead thread showed I was a NK target n1 so your play very likely saved me
but yeah I think your reads aren't all bad but you need to learn to not tunnel town

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yeah limming pob D1 probably breaks the game open for town

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eh your offsite exp probably impacts your mood coming in
my first game before I came here I rolled scum and played a transparently noobscum game so I wasn't exactly toting a swollen ego