Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[shellyc]

VOTE: hectic

[shellyc]

What if each of us names 2 players other than ourselves, like a pseudo-vote thing.
Then after a certain point, the 2 players named most often have to pair off.
So like the same concept as RVS wagons basically, but we flip 2 people.

hmmm

i don't think leashing is that good of an idea tbh, scum getting a say through leashing may be dangerous

i think there's very slight +town equity to proposing these mech approaches (granted mechtalk is an easy way to get cred as scum) but its bold/new

[shellyc]

tbh i think the jake proposing is quite bold to come from scum as well - its arguably the first eye-catching thing that has happened this game

[shellyc]

*from akarin

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i think there's very slight +town equity to proposing these mech approaches (granted mechtalk is an easy way to get cred as scum) but its bold/new

ok but didn't she say it was an idea from the previous iteration?

it wasn't implemented

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i don't think leashing is that good of an idea tbh, scum getting a say through leashing may be dangerous

Scum getting a say gives us something to read associatives from though.

scum posting gives us something to read associatives from

1st pass mayyyybe i'd be fine with, but not full game

[shellyc]

thats wonderful

I declare V/LA until Thursday my time

[shellyc]

hectic is sneaky

HURT: hectic

this is a bit serious i don't get the Hectic Townvibes yet and the iso has a fluff to seriousposting ratio that i dislike

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Why single out Hectic? A few people are like that, including me.

because I know hectic!town

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unc is town

hectic is scum.

I will be back after marathons

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i hate alts

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Anything other than the fluff, shelly?

you're still fluffing and being nonchalant about my push on you

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this is low key how i feel about every person in the game atp

hectic is normally a very productive and hectic player

[shellyc]

shelly is always scum, be wary

scum is superior

I'm townreading akarin, unc

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but since then I've flipped on him because I feel like he's playing it up a lot.

which posts give you the impression that jake is "playing it up"?

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Welcome to your first game on site, Akarin

This is sure to be a good introduction for a new player like you.

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back from v/la

i have an alt read on necessary sneasel

unc is town for 138

[shellyc]

shelly, do you remember how I reacted to votes early on as ODJ?

no

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This is a good point lol

im pretty sure buzzwording is one of my alignment tells which nobody has found out yet

won't tell you the correlation though

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you weren't really voted in bats iirc

I just think nonchalantness is a general rule-of-thumb that applies to the Playerbase
also another scum tell from you is assertiveness, here you early-trusted while as town you tend to be more wish-washy/paranoid

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I have an inkling to what the correlation is, may or may not verify it later

"What the duck did you just ducking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on skitter-Dannflor hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed mislaunches. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, ducker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, duffer. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re ducking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Noraa account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re ducking dead, Norwee."
-Hectic in Bats

this will destroy the statistics

[shellyc]

I have a strong altread on sneasel

[shellyc]

HURT: shellyCult - waiting on answers, you wouldn't force a scumread on me now, would you?

yes. the your nightmare game.

[shellyc]

HEAL: Akarin - Not much too more than proactiveness and a good townread on me, so not terribly confident here yet, but a higher chance than random of being town sure.
HEAL: Hectic - Does go a bit counter to scum wincon to draw out townslips.
HEAL: Jake The Wolfie - I think Jake dislikes playing scum, I probably slightly townread since he hasn't ghosted which I've seen scum!him do.

Necessary Sneasel

- I feel like this player has been poking and prodding, sure, but I'm not convinced they are solving as of yet. He really has just been asking Akarin why she has townreads.
HURT: PookyTheMagicalBear - Scum!Pooky knows that all he has to do is fluff and ask a player to trust his townie soul. Would he do it as town too? Probably, but I cannot point to anything that makes him town yet which makes me a tad concerned.

Rainbow Reads

- No opinion as of yet.
HEAL: Rockhopper - Shelly suspicion good.
HURT: shellyc - I am finding the Hectic suspicion a tad unusual, but will be in need of more information. Essentially, shelly does not remind me so much of the shelly I played with in Trials so far.
HEAL: Uncrowned - Town reaction to trust.

trials was a long time ago and i have been v/la for much of so far

[shellyc]

drawing out townslips is the ideal town!play so scum would aim to imitate it

fidget do you think solving/posting reads is "counter to scum wincon?" this is very similar

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fwiw im scum reading pooky.

this cute tone is how pooky pockets.

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A question to whoever wants to answer: If you could win the game by identifying one town right now, who would it be?

unc

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no?

I am saying that town hunting/townblocking is the optimal townplay for this setup, like how in a normal game you'd say making reads is optimal townplay?

and scum would aim to imitate town hunting as much as possible?

so therefore town hunting is not a town tell?

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I love the shade on "Very Worrying" but not scumread btw

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Fidget I'm actually kinda undecided on, but I agree with her reads which is probably good

why are you undecided on someone whose reads you agree with?

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244 is misrep btw. I never said that scum would do it MORE as town. I said scum would aim to imitate this behaviour so town hunting in itself is not worthy of a TR. you are twisting my words.

Pedit: were you aware of the formatting of the trusting at the time?

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yes its meant to counter fidgets point

I was not aware that you did not know of the correct formatting (and thought that was unintentional)

that throws half my case into the trashcan then

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ok that game is indicative of hectic!town here...

HM.

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hectic did more busywork/leaf raking there

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also scum!hectic posts slightly less, given that I know for a fact that hectic prefers town it makes sense

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uh did I just talk myself out of hectic!scum

HURT WITH A BLADE: pooky
HURT WITH A BLADE: rainbow

and pray that hectic is interaction solvable before endgame

[shellyc]

pagetop, 399 is the best post in this game

my absence (which you may notice has been across site) is NAI and caused by an out-of-game emergency

I'll also prob be back after marathons

[shellyc]

HURT WITH A BLADE: pooky

PoE

gloria is giving off those obvtown vibes especially with her pressing onto pooky, akarin is solvey enough, unc is conftown, hectic i need to re-engage with when he's back, fidget on a whimsical reread of iso has garned a TR from me through effort-y, proactive posting style, necessary I townleaned before my flake but the iso i'd be willing to townlean through pressure towards pooky, rainbow is lurking

[shellyc]

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

akarin is scum because the four pages between this & her last post are filled with actual content and this is a really peculiar moment to pop in with a mech comment - go back and reread from her last post to this one and tell me you think an akarin who is reading and trying to solve the game makes this post without commenting on anything else

unconscious guilt over me saying I was going to trust her is showing

bet on it.

hm?

necessary probtown for making a clear trajectory on akarin that I can follow. i disagree with it but I see where necessary is coming from. I'm not much of an "amount of content" read-maker and prefer to focus on the quality of the content in isos, which I feel akarin has in abundance

[shellyc]

wait is jake in this game

scum!necessary *Probably* doesn't go and trust unc (conftown) like that? I'd think scum would bide a little more time here.

[shellyc]

- Proactivity in general. Actually suggests various things (such as early towniness counter, the mech stuff is fairly important because of the proactiveness to suggest things that are +town EV)
- Also proactively trying to further the (quite stuck) gamestate by suggesting rainbow-jake pairing
- Genuine solving, with a good TR on fidget that I can follow.

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i skimmed but isnt unc conftown or something because of not accepting the Trust

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eh probably

why the "probably"? what qualms do you have?

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guys am i required to change my meta back to my old town meta

also rip equinox

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I feel the opposite way about Rainbow. They've been bringing out flashy readslists, but in reality they haven't really done anything to further town wincon with them at all. After all, they haven't really shown us their work, no? So it really only gives us the vague impression that Rainbow is solving, without them actually having to show us any of their solving.

rainbow's gloria read is indicative of "scum who thought a town looked misexecutable through their iso and didnt have an awareness of the gamestate"

jake has been active on site. i don't trust ellitell nowadays.

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No, I only mean the part about scum being guiltied if they trust each other. Not his theory concerning Pooky/Uncrowned. Uncrowned is very likely town though.

Oh. I see.

This is how I'm feeling currently. No heavy review, just from catching up. I want to believe I've got both scum below the dash, but beyond that, not so confident.

{Uncrowned}
{Akarin, Sneasel}
{Gloria}
-
{Hectic}
{shelly}
{Rainbow, Jake, Pooky}

I'd mayyybe tentatively roll with this with me!town

rainbow jake pooky is the defacto PoE for us atm. none of these people should be paired up.

[shellyc]

fidget reminds me of death curse!her'
gloria as well

hectic i really dont know about please solve yourself through associatives

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What in Gloria's ISO would cause negligent scum to believe she is miselimable? Isn't it easier to ignore the content of someone's posts and just go with what the majority say are easy miselims?

if I didnt have meta experience on gloria i'd be quite ambivalent on the content inside the iso

what makes you think that two lurker/quiet scum are implausible?

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hm.

i have the impression that town!pooky is more abrasive/spontaneous while scum!pooky loves to buddy/present himself as likeable and I think the latter is happening rn

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I think this has already been stated, but I just wanted to throw it out there that UC is probably (though not confirmed) town.

However, I'm pretty sure the next thought I had hasn't been said yet:
Could Uncrowned be deepwolfing to get their partner on the bench of trust fallees?

HURT WITH A BLADE: Jake

Scumpost

[shellyc]

shelly, why'd you give up on trying to read me and just wanting to use associates instead? What changed?

Paranoia
Rest of plist is much easier to sort through play and meta

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pls no

shelly is a bad person with bad intentions

idk I feel like pooky has tried to mislaunch me in almost all of his scumgames

also read is undeveloped

[shellyc]

his avatar is making my heart go pitter patter.

hectic is always an easy read in that you always townread him

FINE you have scumread me in almost all your scumgames

[shellyc]

necessary my altread on you has again been strengthened.

fidget is probtown.

hectic i really don't know because this feels like hectic town!posting with a healthy dose of paranoia but uh.

jake shading unc feels like a filler thought. i scumread jake more than pooky.

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pooky pocketing once again

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akarin

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shellyc
Uncrowned

Necessary Sneasel
Gloria Cleary, Fidget

Akarin


Hectic
Rainbow Reads

Jake The Wolfie, PookyTheMagicalBear

[shellyc]

AHHHH

NEVER talk yourself out of your SCUMREADS

[shellyc]

his avatar is making my heart go pitter patter.

hectic is always an easy read in that you always townread him

FINE you have scumread me in almost all your scumgames

What scumgames? Did you address this to the wrong person?

@Shelley, did you ever explain this?

I’m now convinced #665 is a slip. so if me and Akarin exit and she’s townlock now for suggesting RR/Jake pairing, we can absolutely win this so long as no one trusts Shelley.

its not a slip?

it was addressed to pooky

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me: pooky scum aims to mislaunch me
pooky: there is no launching
me: FINE you have scumread me in almost all your scumgames

[shellyc]

btw the first line was alluding to gloria townreading hectic for hectics cute avatar

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i never tmi slip as scum

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i didnt explain this before because i was asleep obviously

I recommend gloria-necessary tbh, keeping akarin-fidget for tmr

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btw the first line was alluding to gloria townreading hectic for hectics cute avatar

You specifically said that I always tr him. How could you possibly have any clue about that unless Hectic actually told you? The three of us have never once played together.

no?

it alluded to in general hectic is charming and cute and I was joking about how hectic often got TR'd this being the most recent occasion?

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*his avi is cute

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me: pooky scum aims to mislaunch me
pooky: there is no launching
me: FINE you have scumread me in almost all your scumgames

Alright are you willing to be unpaired along with Pooky?

pooky is scum

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hectic is always an easy read in that you always townread him

ok I guess I phrased it bad

I was trying to convey that hectic was an easy read and his avi was cute so you'd often/always end up townreading him

not referring to gloria in particular.

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gloria when will you actually read me correctly

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That’s not an answer though. If you’re right and both of you remain unpaired we still win.

I'm willing to be unpaired

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im actually mad that people that are likely!town twisted my word choices into a "tmi slip" though

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So you meant for the post to be interpreted like this, then:

his avatar is making my heart go pitter patter.

hectic is always an easy read in that you always townread him

pls no

shelly is a bad person with bad intentions

idk I feel like pooky has tried to mislaunch me in almost all of his scumgames

also read is undeveloped

there is literally no launching this game shelly

FINE you have scumread me in almost all your scumgames

"hectic is always an easy read in that you will always townread him" should actually convey my thought

and yes

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So you're confident that Pooky is scum because he scumreads you and uses a cute tone of voice? How's it scum-indictative of him to SR you if that's what he always does?

“I feel like pooky has tried to mislaunch me in

almost all of his scumgames

”

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THIS IS ME NOT ACCEPTING

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scum!me can just win the game here

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akarin is town though?

i dont think scum decides to conftown a misyeetable player here

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@Shelley, why do you think Pooky is scum here when he’s playing nothing like he did in Hideyoshi but your play otoh os reminding a lot of Death Curse?

gloria when will you actually fucking read me correctly

can you read hideyoshi again?

there's the "lets not sort and yeet confiscum shelly", there's the tonal buddying, fluffposting, and none of the death curse annoyance etc

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akarin i was going to tentatively accept

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if you kept the offer open for like 48 more hours i'd have

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i really dont see scum!agenda in conf!towning me here. unless its to make me reciprocrate and propose to trust akarin later

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akarin im afraid

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sneasel is obvtown

i would do sneasel-rainbow GTH

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pooky go tell the world that im scum now

[shellyc]

you'll never succeed in shitpushing me

akarin-pooky is also never a thing

[shellyc]

wait there is only one scum left

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i should actually filter my townposting

HURT WITH A BLADE: pooky
HURT WITH A BLADE: Jake

these two endgame

[shellyc]

this is your last chance pooky in short why are you town

[shellyc]

because jake is worse

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scum pooky is very pessimistic based off firsthanded experience sharing a scum pt with him. i can totally see this as scum!pooky trying to shift away from defending against my pressure

[shellyc]

jake was totally scumposting after returning trying to shade akarin

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and also trying to shade unc lol

[shellyc]

I actually have the opposite impression of Pooky. I'm leantown on him because of the way he was trying to buddy up to me in the early game. I think in general, town!Pooky finds it easier to show his "soul" and try to convince people he's town just by how much he's enjoying himself, and power of friendship alone in a way. As scum, he resorts to it less, don't know why, maybe because he feels worse about it, or it's less fun for him. But generally he's more aggressive and ends up pushing miselims more than this kind of fluff.

[shellyc]

which is also incorrect based off play with pooky in multiple games

[shellyc]

pooky enjoys scum and is a very charming player as scum able to hardbuddy people

[shellyc]

citing games like mini normal boardgames, hideyoshi buddying gloria, epilogue buddying hectic

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in death curse you never buddied anyhow, I'm quite sure

if you're town, why did you push me in the first place? your iso is filled with "shelly is scum lets launch" rather than explanation on that read.

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im actually mad that people that are likely!town twisted my word choices into a "tmi slip" though

elaborate on why this annoys you, you're capable scum right so surely you get called out on shit all the time?

i was sorta in a not great mood earlier so uh

has pooky been conftowned or...?

[shellyc]

i thought rainbow was an alt, how could hectic say "rainbow always plays like this" from an uninformed pov

maybe you're right gloria

[shellyc]

hectic is amazing

I trust Hectic

this is a bit serious i totally get the Hectic Townvibes and the iso has a fluff to seriousposting ratio that i like

give me some time to think about it, shelly

Oh missed this. So maybe it isn’t Shelley.

hectic changed my post when quoting it. check the original.

I'm also conf!town due to me not accepting akarin

[shellyc]

my wim is now cut in half for being IC

[shellyc]

I can get behind LPing jake/RR though.

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necessary is town

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i was going to trust sneasel in this post but then deleted it after ctrl+f sneasel in hectic's iso

its lackluster

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I'm just a tad paranoid y'know, I still townread sneasel

idk i wanna LP pooky-RR. pooky still makes me uncomfortable.

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sneasel should i conftown you

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I dont have any wim

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I support last-pair of RR/pooky and am going to trustfall sneasel in the next 24 hours

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I trust Sneasel

sorry if this loses the game town

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I'll leave the game today

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i do buy the case on RR

i want jake to pair though.

I think pooky should endgame.

town will likely win this if the game isn't over here.

[shellyc]

I trust Sneasel

sorry if this loses the game town

i had a Sneasel dabbing image for this moment but I can't be bothered finding it so please settle for a shorter shitpost:

YOU FOOL
IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

uhhhhhhhh

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why me/gloria in particular

i think gloria should stay

[shellyc]

hectic you multiaccounter

[shellyc]

Spoiler: I TR...

everyone except pooky

[shellyc]

you are a mean one shelly cult

I TR POOKY

[shellyc]

emojis do the trick

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Do you like this movie ShellyCult?



Maybe next time we will read each other correctly at the beginning instead of the end - I hope.

if I didn't like it I wouldn't make it my pfp (:

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I do too but I’m very happy to get the Shelley seal of approval.

I'm pocketed and I'm satisfied with that

[shellyc]

sneasel i knew you were worsty since the "shelly is always scum, be wary"

thank you for modding equinox

I also talked myself out of scumreading both scum so uh...

tbh I wanted to go against pooky harder but pooky is just good at pocketing and I was basically waiting to leave with worsty/gloria

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I’m really sorry @Shelley. Please forgive me. <3

I'm not going to BL you fwiw because you tried

I do agree with this though

Gloria, the next time someone strongly disagrees with you, please take 5 minutes to consider why they strongly disagree with you. You don't have to agree with them, just wait and see where they're coming from.

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I seriously wonder, has town even ever won this setup even once? 1st game = scum won. 2nd game= scum also won, so 3 times in a row, scum has won this game. It’s a really hard setup for town to win, I think.

it felt really easy in the middle when we got a large volume of conftown - without a scum!trustfall D1 it would be rather townsided