I'm happy I don't have to be scum this time but the hole Kerset has left in my heart may never heal and I want to know if he's happy with his new love.
Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]
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I am lover to RM so I'm kind of resigned to my fate of dying an early tragic death.In post 15, Vex Vience wrote:also ana/bambi what are both of you?
I just want to flirt with Kerset a bit more before I die.-
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In post 39, Vex Vience wrote:also once again, lovers please surmize your entire pt for us
I mostly just cried and posted sad songs and RM did not comfort me in any way at all.-
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I will commit suicide if you say bad things about KersetIn post 63, RationalMadman wrote:Kerset isn't acting Towny at all and similar to lqst game is being reaction-provoking such as with Tbone in particular (last game). I scumread the Ker/Bingle pair.-
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He tried to view our textsIn post 85, Kerset wrote:
its true, he ordered us to show him how we flirt during pregame :SIn post 83, RationalMadman wrote:So, actually she only agreed that Llama is scary
it was traumatizing-
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I think I would've kept Kerset safe come what may.In post 198, Bingle wrote:
Yes. There's a decent chance it would have won Llama the game last game, despite the necessity of the reroll.In post 196, Vex Vience wrote:do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?-
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I would escape with my lover to protect him.In post 214, T-Bone wrote:Nah fam I had the three of you absolutely NAILED.-
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I would've killed everyone in the player list last game to keep kerset alive, including LlamaDudeIn post 216, T-Bone wrote:Kerset, honest answer time please. Why did you think you could push my miselim out of the whole playerlist last game?-
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I read players by motivation, tone, and substance.In post 212, Bingle wrote:@Ana, what do you make of the VV/me back and forth?
I don't understand your motivation to argue with him on this point.
Something I see often is scum trying to argue to berightinstead of argue about alignment.
Because they don't have to fake being right, it's something they really believe inside.
So I tend to scum-read people who argue about things that are pointless.
The way you did it with VV, I'm not sure what either of you are trying to accomplish if you're town in that argument.
So it's possible that this is some kind of scum-theatre where you argue with him about something meaningless but with enough intensity that later we think you can't be aligned when one of you and him flips.
I'll see at the end if this intuition is right or not.
I will avoid thinking you could be scum for now because it would be painful for me to think my Kerset could be scum.-
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I missed you more.In post 458, Kerset wrote:I missed you ana
It feels like the world has conspired against us
Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.-
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I don't feel sure in my heart when I hear this and it scares me...In post 477, Kerset wrote:
Sure i amIn post 460, Anastasia wrote:Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.-
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I think Ana is unhappy with her new lover because Kerset has left a hole in her heart and RM doesn't seem to care at all.In post 491, LlamaFluff wrote:Can I get all lover pairs opinions on the RM/Ana duo?-
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I kind of want to give a BoP shot to Llama because I know from playing with him last game that he is highly competent and also by far the scariest player to play against if he is scum.
A BoP shot would neutralize his influence if he were scum while also giving him a solid chance to win the VT side if he were town - it's a move I really like to use when dealing with players of a high caliber in a small POE setting such as this.
Because here is the POV difference:
For Town!LLama, he knows he must get this shot correct between VV & Bambi Jay, because if he misses, he dies next and the town loses the game.
He must put maximum effort into his solve - to give the town the best odds of winning the game.
For Scum!Llama, he knowsit doesn't matterwhat his solve is, he will die next elimination no matter which townie he pushes out for the first elim.
This creates a readable difference between what LlamaPuff does.-
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Of course he knows he will have to put in lots of effort even if he is scum, in hopes that we believe he is in good faith doing this even when his initial target flips town.
However if we areironcladin our resolve that we eliminate llama next, or even go the extra step as to eliminate llamafirstand killing his BoP suspicion onlyafterhe flips town, that can eliminate the motivation for Scum!LLama to tryhard the solve.-
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the idea is to put pressure on Llama to make the decision and make him readable.In post 510, Klick wrote:Then why is your answer to that voting him second instead of reading the other two?
I don't see anything that I would be willing to bet the game on in terms of a post that is alignment indicative one way or the other and it feels like the game is beginning to stall a bit.-
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I don't really understand your play. It doesn't make sense to me why you'd want the most townread lover pair eliminated if you are scum, but it also doesn't make sense for me if you are town either. I don't think you really expect to be able to eliminate me/RM so it feels like it could be a refuge in audacity play to get yourself townread?
I think it could also be that you just don't get along very well with RM and it's not something that can be read into your alignment one way or another.-
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If I had a scumread in the vanillas I'd vote for them.In post 526, RationalMadman wrote:If I am wrong then vote your scumread in the vanillas. You are the one afraid to vote, not me. I don't need to blame Llama for the vote being wrong, Llama is one player in the game, I am responsible for my vote and read and Bambi is responsible for her towntelling or scumtelling. If I vote wrong, it's my and Bambi's fault, not Llama's.
If you think Vex is scum, vote Vex, if you think anyone is scum, vote them.
Blaming a scapegoat for things when we miseliminate is a coward's way of avoiding responsibility for their vote being accurate and their fault. Even if everyone screams at you to vote someone that you Townread, even if they threaten to eliminate you if you don't, you must have an open mind and respond to the pressure solely with the intent to get scumreads eliminated or die yourself rather than eliminate scum, caving into the others and getting eliminated the next day phase as you're blamed if it goes wrong.
This type of post is why I wish I was still with Kerset.
He'd never talk to me like this.-
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That's just not the way I play though.In post 528, RationalMadman wrote:
This was not a typo even. Even if you townread scum, you must be ready for your read to be wrong and still stand by it if it's a strong read. You need to force yourself to make tough calls in this game or you will never learn from your mistakes and grow as a cutthroat player.In post 526, RationalMadman wrote:rather than eliminate scum,
I'm not going to insist on my reads being correct when they are not very strong to begin with.-
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I'm more interested in reading your motivational dispersion but since it's unlikely people want to go with the idea it's not particularly useful as a method to sort you.In post 649, LlamaFluff wrote:Also one thing I missed
@Ana - How confident are you in my ability to play as town?-
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Why are you townreading me?In post 606, T-Bone wrote:Scumread. While Ana is pretty okay, RM is not. If it weren't for lovers I'd probably rank scum to town as Kerset>RM>Bingle>Ana honestly.
I don't think I've done anything notable this game at all.-
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It's not my fault you don't care about my feelingsIn post 752, RationalMadman wrote:It's okay, you aren't someone who I need the deep approval of as a Mafia player or even person.
So, it's safe to say the distaste in who each of us is paired with is mutual.
You have done next to nothing to help progress the game except make everything about Kerset and your feelings of despair at being my Lover.-
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In post 758, Kerset wrote:
What? I thought that as beloved one you would see my townyness and now i am left with dagger in hearthIn post 751, Anastasia wrote:I think Kerset is scum because I think he would've told me he was town by now if he was town and this thought makes me sad inside
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I have not been rude to you this game.In post 755, RationalMadman wrote:It is. However, unlike you I am not going to sit and whine about you. This is the last I will complain. You actually have been extremely rude to me this game. It eventually reaches a point where it isn't banter or funny hut just straight up bullying.
I have not insulted you this game.
The most I've done is some playful banter/teasing which I thought might break the ice a bit, which apparently you took to be some kind of blood insult upon your honor.
I think it's best if we just stopped communicating with each other since anything I say to you is apparently some kind of grave insult.-
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In post 846, Kerset wrote:I think that your Ana is cute.Spoiler: Melting-
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I don't want to vote for T-bone though because if T-bone flips green I'll know my Kerset is scum and I don't think I can handle that >.> <.< I just want to stay with him forever.
Can we just do the VTs first?
Like missing on the Lover Pair puts us at Lylo tommorrow with scum quickhammer available on 1 misplaced vote, but if we mis-execute on the VT side that's not really true because scum still need 2 bad votes to win.-
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How do you know we can 100% hit scum?In post 901, LlamaFluff wrote:
Is this reversed for anyone else? To me if we can 100% hit scum I would prefer lover target. If we hit town, I would prefer it in VT group.In post 899, Anastasia wrote:I don't want to vote for T-bone though because if T-bone flips green I'll know my Kerset is scum and I don't think I can handle that >.> <.< I just want to stay with him forever.
Can we just do the VTs first?
Like missing on the Lover Pair puts us at Lylo tommorrow with scum quickhammer available on 1 misplaced vote, but if we mis-execute on the VT side that's not really true because scum still need 2 bad votes to win.
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I think it's Llama because the way he's quietly trying to take control feels like the same thing he did last game as scum.
It's just more subtle this time.-
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The more untruthful pushes there are, the more lies/evidence there is to catch.In post 906, VFP wrote:
Less fake pushes?In post 903, Anastasia wrote:How do you know we can 100% hit scum?
What is the benefit of hitting the scum lovers first vs hitting the scum VT?
Kill 2 scum, there's 1 un truthful pish.
Kill 1 scum, there's 2 un truthful pushes.
Not to mention the fact you only get 2 genuine town thought processes to 4.
If we miss in lovers we need only 1 mis-vote from any of 4 town-side players and scum can quick-vote to lose the game.
If we miss in vt we still need 2 mis-votes to lose.
The base probability set on a miss is still a 50-50 in either situation, however the margin of error is worse.-
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the last game before we re-rolledIn post 915, VFP wrote:Llama must just do this as town or scum then, as this is what Llama did as town in my last game.
Which game was Llama scum for you?
this time he made a conscious effort to be more passive and only began being more active/controlly towards the end of day-
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if we elim town lovers game state is:In post 915, VFP wrote:How did you get to this?
4 town
3 Mafia
if 1 town player votes the wrong lover pair, the 3 mafia can quickvote speed elim.
if we elim town vt game state is:
4 town
4 mafia
you need 2 town players to vote wrong before mafia can quick vote.
margin of error is different.
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