Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]
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Rolled VT for real this time. Probably no chance to read anything for about next 12 hours.-
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That was a painful read. I did come away from it liking Ana/RM (mostly just due to their topic summary) as town a bit.-
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Doesnt matter. Only reason I had any preference (and it was barely anything) last game was one of the other two lover pairs was highly town read and I felt my survivability was high. Just target most likely to be scum. We have to hit them in both groups either way.In post 232, Bambi Jay wrote:Oh yeah I guess we can start up this topic. I also wanted us to start with solving the lovers first last game and it still stands even if I ain't one. Or do the lovers this game wanna kill the VT claims first? I ask because we can't really stop the 6 votes, I'm just announcing my preference beforehand.-
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Still have no idea where this is coming from... this is the third game I have been since I quit playing about three or four years back. I just tend to be able to be calm and logical which people like.In post 235, Vex Vience wrote:i'm fine with solving lovers first anyways, though, a part of me wants to solve vts first, because i know llama is good at deepwolfing
It actually does tie into why I think the Ana/RM pair is town though. If Ana who was scum with me last game is making a large part of their pregame talk being worried about me seems to come from a point of being town who will be unable to read me. That feels more natural than scum suddenly not seeing me on the team anymore as they have no idea what sort of town player I am.-
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@Kerset, Bingle, Bambi - Please explain your vote split over a single pair.-
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My early gut is this is one of:
Vex-Klick/TBone
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No. Last game I was active when the game was active. Now im in after the fact (and about to go to bed) and trying to piece stuff together. Different scenarios entirely. It is different alignment, but even if I wanted not like it could be different in play so far. Office job (yay being old), and as said Thursdays are bad for access until very late.In post 249, Klick wrote:This is a stark contrast to your type of content from last game Llama
My gut reads that as alignment-indicative. Should it?
Im mostly just thinking about pre-game topics and I think without my prodding that scum last game would have had to ad-lib what happened on the spot (if/when it gets released you will see that) so far my best read is Ana being afraid of me reads town as there is little reason to be afraid of a player they have never had any experience with playing town before, but reason to be afraid of a player who as scum was getting called town, if they themselves are town.-
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Feel like im replacing into this game... but now ive had some time to read so on a quick one some things that stand out.
Town
Ana+RM (both of them, Ana a bit more though)
As previously mentioned by their summary, I think Ana being "afraid" of me is more indicative of town who is afraid of being able to read me than it is scum being afraid of my ability to catch scum. Those are two entirely independent skillsets. Additionally RM seeming to like aiming at VTs is a point in their favor as their pair is seen as the most town of the lover sets. If they wanted to steer things to lovers, they nearly for sure live through today, and are in a good spot to live through the next day winning them the game flat out.
Kerset (by themselves)
I completely buy the whole "PT talk" thing from them and no matter their alignment, I dont see this being faked. There are players who I would talk far less to (and even some I would refuse to play with) that would impact pregame discussions. It also is 100% in line with how they had little to no real will to talk any sort of game last time. They also feel a bit more serious this time.
Nulls
T-Bone, Bingle
Lean Scum
Klick (by themselves)
I really dislike that just now he is claiming to have realized how hard this setup is for town. Granted I noticed it before the game even started the first time, but when the game was in progress it became more apparent pretty quickly. That was me as scum realizing that. Now no idea if I would have seen it as town, but that makes me uncomfortable. Same thing with him talking about how I am playing differently, and then entirely ignoring my response of its a null tell.
Scum
Bambi
This one is a little confusing. He isnt reading at the start of the game for one, but apart from that they are being passive to a point where it seems intentional that as long as they are going to be left alone that they are fine with whatever happens. Look at their discussion regarding lovers where they seem to show will to move in that direction, but also are willing to cede all control over to what other people want. That feels like scum who is willing to go with the flow if they arent upset with the direction of it. Vex interaction is very disjointed as well. Calls Vex town on meta, and then seems to say that they would be voting Vex without the meta? Its another hedge of bets. If I was strongly townreading any of the VT claims (spoiler alert on who is next on this list, im not), my vote would be almost locked in.
Vex
Granted now im playing from a town perspective so my "they are getting town read, lets just agree and reposition" isnt going to be the same, but it feels like Vex is getting caught up in trying to say that pre-game talk is the be all, end all. While I think its important, I dont think its going to change much for too many players depending on what their alignments are. Like town or scum, I would be super talkative in trying to line things up. Some other players (Kerse seems to be a good bet) probably wouldnt talk much game. Seeming to take a playstyle tell as a scumtell really bothers me. I do not at all believe that pair is lying about what was discussed (or theoretically discussed), if your lover isnt talking back what is the most Jingle can do? Aggressively info dump?
Its annoying that my two strongest scum reads are not in different pools. Feel very confident though that its exactly one of "Vex or Kers/Bingle" though. Will try and get a little more situated over the weekend (full catchup probably Sunday after getting shot #2) but im heavily leaning to a Vex vote right now.-
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I guess summarized in a way people seem to more like it:
Town - Ana, RM
Lean Town - Kers
Null - TBone, Bingle
Lean Scum - Klick
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Well im working that out, probably going to be a Vex vote as to a certain extent hesitancy (decent part of Bambi-scum read) can be a playstyle tell but I need to go back and read again. Would have definently preferred it if either of you did something I could call town though.-
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Lets try this question (actually if everyone can answer it I would appreciate)...In post 330, Bambi Jay wrote:I claimed VT. That's pretty townie.
Why do you think there are wagons on both sides of the Kers/Bingle wagon and the TBone/Klick wagon? Is this any sort of a tell for the people voting or impact your opinion on those two slots?
Because its really bothering me and im trying to figure out why.-
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For lack of a better word its inefficient and maybe an excuse to avoid voting town who does get picked off.
Like if you want Player A who is a lover with Player B dead... Player B has two votes and A has none... why vote A?-
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Its more of a matter of no need to intentionally force yourself into a certain hole. I dont care who I see as best pick as scum, that is who is getting my vote. VT or Lover claim. We need scum on both sides dead.-
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Anyone. Thats my confusion point. There seems to be a lot of people who are interested in two different pairs, but the votes arent at all consolidating and im not sure if its intentional or people dont actually realize what they are doing.In post 336, Bambi Jay wrote:
Who's this referring too first of all?In post 332, LlamaFluff wrote:For lack of a better word its inefficient and maybe an excuse to avoid voting town who does get picked off.
Like if you want Player A who is a lover with Player B dead... Player B has two votes and A has none... why vote A?
Again... thats the confusing part. Lets say I think Player A is scum with no votes, but player B is their lover at at E-2.... im voting Player B. Essentially im looking at each lover pair as a hydra where both heads post. Just vote whoever has more votes. Wondering why people are not doing that, again it seems inefficient or being afraid to be called scum for doing so. For instance if I was going to vote one of Kers/Bingle, I would just look for who had the most votes, not which of the two I saw as more likely scum as they are guaranteed to share an alignment.
well with lovers it doesn't matter who you vote to elim since they both die? When the time to kill comes the votes will consolidate on one. I guess rn we're voting who we think is the scummier one of the pair. It's too say their main problem is with that person in particular.LlamaFluff wrote:
Lets try this question (actually if everyone can answer it I would appreciate)...In post 330, Bambi Jay wrote:I claimed VT. That's pretty townie.
Why do you think there are wagons on both sides of the Kers/Bingle wagon and the TBone/Klick wagon? Is this any sort of a tell for the people voting or impact your opinion on those two slots?
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@RM - You are wrong. Drop it. No matter what your alignment is. No matter what his alignment is. You are wrong. Drop it.-
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There is *no* tell of any kind if its referred to as lovers/masons/etc... if you want to just pretend that town roles are "Town Mason Lovers" do that because that is what they are. This is horribly unproductive, distracting and anti-town that is just causing clutter and making the game harder to read because its sucking up so much attention.-
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If you think he is town (or even probably) dont do that. Policy is pretty much a D1 immediate move. Utility is more of this, but only if you have no read on them.-
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Vote Vex
Can someone who was town last time tell me if this feels familiar? It feels familiar to me.-
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Then ignore. This is not a policy setting. This is not a utility setting. We get one wrong move in each group. If you are town and he is town I think that this would actually give scum the win here and now if it goes through. If you feel im town over the last few pages just vote Vex and put all your trust for RM being town into his partner. That will at least start forcing reactions from the rest of the game.-
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I dont think my position was great last game. D1 was going to be scum pair or RM part... D2 the other. I was trying to figure out if I needed to bus or not to make it to endgame when everything got rerolled (was planning to take out RM since some of their wording on pregame was clumsy and made it sound like conversations were still happening), maybe was at 50% or a little better depending on what Tbone did spot. Is this also kind of a "good as scum so have to get rid of for safety" stance?In post 368, Vex Vience wrote:counterpoint to llama - you were scum last game and you were able to deepwolf. what’s stopping you from doing it again this game?
People underestimate how much a logical and calming presence just gets read as town. Always has worked, probably always will work to a certain extent.
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Its just what im trying to figure out... the "test" reaction votes like my Vex one have since coming back attracted just town reactions, but this is a very particular setup where it doesnt quite apply the same way that normals do. There is all the reason in the world for you to make that vote as town or scum, im actually a bit more interested in how Vex reads both of us because of it.In post 377, Bambi Jay wrote:I'm like a cat. it's based on my current mood whether I follow people or not.-
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Also still have no idea how I was townread that much in the first game. Again was just being that logical/calming presence that for some reason works out so often if you also can words good (shameless if you can once everything is open go join Toastmasters, it actually really helps plug)-
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@Vex - Do you read me as less town that last game?-
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Last game you said I was town when I was scum.In post 382, Vex Vience wrote:wdym?
Now you are being nervous about me when I am town due to fear, but I dont know how you are actually reading me. Do you think im town again, or is your read different? Im trying to drill down into some stuff here and where you really stand on me, and by association Bambi (as to you one of us must be scum), is a bit important to all of it. I know you are paranoid, but also dont know what you actually think of me and for what reasons.-
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@Bambi - Is your vote more based on thinking Vex is scum or that I am town?-
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So what is your read on Bambi voting you when I put pressure on him to vote you if they thought I was town?In post 385, Vex Vience wrote:i'm thinking you're town-ish, but i'm second-guessing myself because of last game.-
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So RM pair is scum its meIn post 387, Bambi Jay wrote:
Vex pairs better with the other guys. You'd pair with Rational I guess but we aren't aiming for the Pairs RN so I guess that's alright.In post 384, LlamaFluff wrote:@Bambi - Is your vote more based on thinking Vex is scum or that I am town?
Any other pair its Vex?
You have any game where you were in a 1v1 regardless of alignment I can look at?-
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Lets say no choice. You go to bed with this exact current vote count. Wake up with enough votes to be eliminated but surprise you are awarded a vengeful shot, who eats it?Vex Vience wrote:i can't read you, which is why i want you dead first tbh-
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Okay. Your staking the game on a town pick (obviously excluding you) from each pool. Go.In post 391, Bingle wrote:That's why townhunting is a strong strategy this game. If we can hard identify a town player in a pool, we can afford to lim the rest of that pool.-
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So am I right that in this exact instant you think I am more likely town but the paranoia is so bad that you would rather stake the game on me being scum than Bambi? Im not sure I have had this level of sway over people being scared about me than back in my golden era where if I was alive D3 that as a scumtellIn post 396, Vex Vience wrote:
there are three potential kills, with two different interpretations of the vengeful role:In post 393, LlamaFluff wrote:
Lets say no choice. You go to bed with this exact current vote count. Wake up with enough votes to be eliminated but surprise you are awarded a vengeful shot, who eats it?Vex Vience wrote:i can't read you, which is why i want you dead first tbh
- i die as soon as i kill someone
- i don't die, and i'm confirmed as town (wnaf vengeful)
if its the first, i re-read, and then shoot either you or bambi. it depends on how townie i feel bambi is.
if i feel bambi is town, you die. if not, she dies.
if it's the wnaf vengeful, where the elim doesn't actually go through, and i'm given a vengeful shot - kerset always dies. the fact i don't die confirms me as town, and i remove the pair i think is currently scum.-
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@Bambi - Can you please explain your vote on Vex?-
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Making sure as apparently Friday night is VT night.In post 402, Bingle wrote:
Didn't I just say a couple pages ago what my solve would be, but that I had little confidence?In post 395, LlamaFluff wrote:
Okay. Your staking the game on a town pick (obviously excluding you) from each pool. Go.In post 391, Bingle wrote:That's why townhunting is a strong strategy this game. If we can hard identify a town player in a pool, we can afford to lim the rest of that pool.
If I had to pick right now it'd be Bambi as VT and Ana/RM as town lovers.
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Im just trying to figure out of Vex would actually use "I cant read them" as a reason to push a wagon as town right now when they apparently have no reason to town read the other member.-
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When do you successfully read Bambi then? What needs to happen first?In post 410, Vex Vience wrote:
i look at it this way:In post 409, LlamaFluff wrote:Im just trying to figure out of Vex would actually use "I cant read them" as a reason to push a wagon as town right now when they apparently have no reason to town read the other member.
i'd much rather have someone i know i can flag as town/scum alive than someone i cannot flag as either alignment.
Also again how do you know you cant read me when you *never* have played with me as town until now?-
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In post 413, Bingle wrote:Llama's heyday is before I was on site. He was the listmod (Open queue) when I modded my first game.
But yeah its been a minute... Think something like 2011 to 2018 that was what I did before leaving and then now being bored and back in limited capacity. Heck anyone around from 2015 on might my alt better-
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So how do you know you can read Bambi? Seems convenient to claim that you cant read me as a vote reason and then have nothing to back up being able to read Bambi correctly as not. Also does this mean its impossible for you to read Bambi without me being dead? Because thats not a read, that a PoE argument that you just need to come up with reasons for when presenting.In post 420, Vex Vience wrote:i don't think i've ever played with bambi before. i think they were in one of my games a long time ago, but i barely remember that. wrt to reading bambi, i just need the game to play out more.
additionally, i know my own limits as a player, and i feel like i have a relatively firm idea of what your playstyle is, which is why i feel comfortable making these calls atm.
Just home from from second shot, so there is a chance I go silent for next 24-48 hours if I dont react well.-
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So what is your thought then on Vex seemingly to prefer a vote on me when they claim that I cant be read, but Bambi can? Do you agree that it seems that if Vex is town, the correct approach would be to read Bambi and then use that to form an opinion on me? Otherwise its just voting town out first followed by saying "By PoE Bambi is scum". Thats not reading Bambi.In post 466, RationalMadman wrote:I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.
I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.
Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.-
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So you are basing your ability to read a player off nothing more than two people saying that they see you as similar? That just doesnt make sense to me for a variety of options as people play differently as town, as scum, as PRs, when they have town reads, when they have scum reads... everything factors into it (which is to me why "meta" is more of a general gauge of how competent a players is expected to be). Plus just haven played a lot under an alt, to me there is a lot of minor tweaks that internally get made for how you view things that damages ability to be correctly read as styles are not entirely the same to start.In post 471, Vex Vience wrote:@llama - bingle has literally said bambi’s playstyle is 70% mine.
bambi has also agreed to this.
why *wouldn’t* i be able to read someone whose playstyle is very similar to mine?
Also...
Doesnt this mean you *cant* read them well, or at least that if they want they can entirely change how they play a game? If they can easily break their own meta and you agree to it seems to invalidate part of your own argument.3) bambi literally admitted to shitposting because she knew i would be able to clear ourselves, so last game is an inaccurate representation of her meta.
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I think we are in the same ballpark but looking at things from somewhat different angles... so just let me know when I have your reasoning wrong:
You can read Bambi better than me
You have no read on Bambi
You do not want to go for a VT today
If you had to right now you would vote me over Bambi
Assuming all of that is true, when do you feel that you would be able to read Bambi?
Also an aside... change skin color when on an alt. That helped me in the past.-
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Who is scum in VT claims?In post 484, T-Bone wrote:
I had doubts but thanks for reassuring me with this post that I'm right.In post 476, Kerset wrote:
You know it is really hard to solve lovers when Ana, T-Bone and Klick are pretty much inactive.In post 466, RationalMadman wrote:I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.
I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.
Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.-
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Feels like we are quickly moving towards Vex vs Bingle/Kers vs Tbone/Klick though. People need to start being clear about which of those is what they want most.-
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Yes and no again. Probably a bit more likely to try and control or at openly least nudge games in a direction as scum, but all it means is that the game is moving in a direction that I dont like and I want to step in and push it back to something that makes me happier. I will break calm character as both alignments though if I feel its needed. Its always very situational dependent though. Its true but an oversimplification. Ive remembered games where after dying as a town PR in one game I get called scum as VT in other because actions arent matching up (as to me they arent the same scenario).In post 490, Klick wrote:You feel town to me this game Llama
I read your posts and I don't feel like you're trying to heavily control the state of the game
And I get the impression that you very much like to do that as scum?
Idk if that's the perfect way to describe what I'm seeing but tldr you're feeling towny to me and to some extent it's because you're seeming relatively chill
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Awesome. So what is your opinion on the RM/Ana duo? Vex too for that matter.
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Cool. Lets go that way then unless you have a good reason to be very sure of a lover town read.In post 497, T-Bone wrote: Leaning VV as I said the last time I posted about my reads.-
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Still not entirely sure I buy the Lovers is right due to confirmed town (as noted a lover pair is basically a hydra who both heads post) but... what is split to you for right pair? Most people have been saying RM/Ana are town... thoughts on that one?In post 499, T-Bone wrote:I'd rather do the lovers first. Two main reasons. 1) It's 50-50 from my perspective. 2) The benefit to getting it right on Day 1 is greater than getting the VT right on Day 1, in terms of confirmed towns floating around (which synergizes with point 1)
Also I feel stronger about the lover's pair at this point. My ghost vote is on Bingle/Kerset.-
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Or get this... like ive been telling VV: Why not try and get a solid town read on VV or Bambi? Doesnt that help a lot in solving me?In post 505, Anastasia wrote:For Town!LLama, he knows he must get this shot correct between VV & Bambi Jay, because if he misses, he dies next and the town loses the game.
He must put maximum effort into his solve - to give the town the best odds of winning the game.
For Scum!Llama, he knows it doesn't matter what his solve is, he will die next elimination no matter which townie he pushes out for the first elim.
This creates a readable difference between what LlamaPuff does.
I still really have no idea why people are even afraid of me to such an extent when I only had maybe 10 or so posts with content last game. Its making me think that scum are just using it as an excuse to attack me when the otherwise would have no ability to because I *havent done anything scummy apart from being town-read last game*. Its a sample size of not even one. Its a sample size of maybe 10% of a game. I dont think anyone in this game has seen me play a game as town in at least four or five years, so apparently that makes me unreadable.
Also your last part of reasoning is very dangerously flawed. If I was scum here and know that I go tomorrow, you have given me so much power in deciding what the end of the game will look like. I pretty much get to decide what VT goes to the end, and setup as many interactions with lover pairs as I want that look like whatever I want them to look like. It goes way back, but had a game where town inadvertently did that to me and scum pretty much just coasted to an easy win.-
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@VV - Again, at what point do you feel you can read Bambi enough to make that the primary motivation for a vote in VT pool?-
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Will look into it after work. Is this more of a scumread or a strong townread on RM/Ana?In post 593, T-Bone wrote:At this point, I'd like Llama and Bambi to join Klick and I on this vote.
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I get work can be a thing, but you have to see how this is unfair to me right? I pretty much have someone saying that if they wanted to they could solve the pair, but dont have the time so I get the vote. From my perspective I am either dealing with town who wont/cant game solve or scum who knows if they want/cant fake gamesolve that they have created reason to just target someone because they are "good as scum". Seems like a really simple thing for scum to come up with to just try and hope to back a wagon that otherwise they have no reason to push. Even if you arent lying about time issues, stalling/avoiding reads with limited time is a thing. Its the pure lack of doing anything to figure out Bambi that makes me think you are scum here.In post 612, Vex Vience wrote:
because i simply haven’t had the motivation to actually try this game thus far, plus i work close to 40hrs/week and end up sleeping most of the day when I get home, so my time on the forums is limitedIn post 604, Bingle wrote:
Given this, I think the real question Llama wants answered is why haven't you been trying to talk to Bambi in order to sort her?In post 603, Vex Vience wrote:@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.
@Kers/Ana - Do you back your lovers read of the other pair? Yes or no.-
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You arent voting with your lover. Are they wrong?In post 638, Kerset wrote:by other pair do you specifically mean Ana/RM or both other pairs or his scumread Bone?-
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@RM - Please list all the individual lover slots (not as pairs) as scummiest to most likely to be town.-
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Also one thing I missed
@Ana - How confident are you in my ability to play as town?-
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Im not saying you are lying about that. Im just saying that limited time could result in stalling tactics a bit. Like if I had one hour a day and I am in a better spot in a game if I dont say anything, I wont like about not having time, but might slow pace of play intentionally or just continually promise "its coming" without ever planning to follow through with it. Do you see where I am though in an "its unfair to me to literally be unable to defend myself" approach though? Its one of the biggest reasons I think you are scum, you continue to say you can read Bambi but in absence of a read will vote me, and have never seemed to even make an attempt to read Bambi.In post 648, Vex Vience wrote:also, wrt time constraints, why would i lie about that to influence a game of mafia? yes this is my try-hard account, but i’m above trying to use things like that. not to mention i’m relatively certain i have actually mentioned on the site before my irl circumstances since it did lead to me siteflaking at several points. i will not answer anything further on this topic until post-game either, and i will likely only answer it in speakeasy, because i don’t want this to be publicly available unless i make it that.-
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@mod- Are we ever getting last game topics released?-
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@RM/TBone - Can you just make a quick summary on why who you are voting is scum here?-
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Sort of... getting sick earlier in the week cost me a lot of motivation for this game and am realizing what I want to happen wont so now need to solve in an area that I wanted to just leave alone for today and to me interactions across VT/Lover pools in this game are useless in D1. Its interactions within them that count.In post 712, T-Bone wrote:
Are you not following along with the game?In post 691, LlamaFluff wrote:@RM/TBone - Can you just make a quick summary on why who you are voting is scum here?
(I can and I will, but considering Kerset was the leading wagon and I was the counter wagon at the time you made the post I'm not sure why you don't have a better handle on this)-
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Im not liking the fact that I still feel the RM/Ana slots are town because it means if we dont get it right today we have to actually rely on them in the future. Both seem to miss the fact that you *want* people to like you regardless of alignment... and im pretty sure that even if they are scum this open fighting is legitimate.-
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@VFP - Can you give a quick summary of pre-game talk from lovers topic and what happened since then in it? Seems like shift have happened and want to confirm.-
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The difference in all three reactions to me asking VFP about lovers topic really is interesting. Will have to dig into that because those are three very different responses that seem to come from three different mindsets. First instinct is one town reaction, one null and one somewhat scummy.-
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Not sure how you are getting that when three lovers, all from different pairs, have chimed in when I say "one is town, one null, one scum" for the responses. Although for you specifically yes you were the null response. I am shocked none of the three mentioned was I was hoping for though.In post 808, VFP wrote:
Thats a fancy way to call us null as a whole.In post 806, LlamaFluff wrote:The difference in all three reactions to me asking VFP about lovers topic really is interesting. Will have to dig into that because those are three very different responses that seem to come from three different mindsets. First instinct is one town reaction, one null and one somewhat scummy.