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Yeesh what's with the personal question? No comment...In post 10, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:VOTE: tigerente
Heaven, are you an alt?
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Both you and me gain nothing if I "pretend" to just keep RVSing though. You were the one to somehow get a beat on my alignment based on two posts yknowIn post 28, Datisi wrote:
i have a feeling this is a troll, but in case it's not:In post 25, xHeavenx wrote:Yeah but it's really selfish you know? I think RVS has it's usage and I don't know why you couldn't have waited
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I disagree, but this miight not be place to talk about itIn post 59, Umlaut wrote:
Sure I have, but I've caught them because of behavior shown during every other phase of the game as well. There's nothing special about RVS in that regard.In post 45, PenguinPower wrote:Have you never caught scum because of behavior shown during RVS?
Spoiler: If it is the place to talk about it, read further
So when it comes to what happened between me and Datisi, It seemed quite meh to me as well. Datisi says I could've just ignored him but I only assumed his best interest. I really feel like he could've just kept his vote on me and surveyed the room a bit more, but instead he just backed off. What do you think about this?In post 56, Almost50 wrote:Heaven vs Datisi on page too makes me feel ... uneasy. I can't tell if it's scummy or fluffy, and I can't even pinpoint what makes me feel that way about it!-
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The first part breaks my poor little heart, but the second makes me feel better <3In post 72, Tigerente wrote:xheavenx feels like ~stilted~ but i'm not sure that makes them scum. i actually kinda think they might be town? idk
In my homesite I'm known to a bit of a pushy person and lucky me you're not all acquainted enough to get annoyed by it-
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Your thoughtfulness here feels good to me. Maybe I'm reading that too early but I've been holding onto something else. Would it be bad practice here to think Cakez is scummy for his vote on me? I'm aware of how OMGUS works, but following his vote all he did was plead to the cleared townie to solve the game for them. It was just so pointlessIn post 93, Tigerente wrote:@heaven
basically you feel like ~out of tune~ with this site's meta but i think that can just make you a new player and/or used to a different playing style
it's different and somewhat prickly but having a different pov on rvs doesn't make you scum
pedit @gamma idk what you mean / are trying to say
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I just found um the way you handled your own suspicions to be a bit incomplete. I know it's early but the idea that you can't have strong feelings about something is wrong. If I pinged you tonally then I pinged you tonally. I really expected you to get further about that, but you didn't. Your reasons after the fact fall back onto your own habits as explained how you believe you're obvtown when you're obvtown. My own thoughts is that you're null and I think self-aware players are the most dangerous type, so I can't really accept you being town until I see it.In post 128, Datisi wrote:considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.-
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MmmmmIn post 216, Datisi wrote:
i'm not saying one cannot have strong feelings this early - i've had strong (correct) feelings on people's alignments on page 1 before. (before someone cries how this contradicts my 173 - it doesn't. i deemed what lilith reacted to to not be enough to get a strong feeling. you may call me egocentric if you wish.) you pinged me tonally, yes, but i don't think you understand the strength of that ping - it was not that strong. by the time i changed my vote away from you onto dwlee, i was satisfied with what you posted. i got what i wanted, i moved on. why would you *expect* me to go further about that?In post 208, xHeavenx wrote:
I just found um the way you handled your own suspicions to be a bit incomplete. I know it's early but the idea that you can't have strong feelings about something is wrong. If I pinged you tonally then I pinged you tonally. I really expected you to get further about that, but you didn't. Your reasons after the fact fall back onto your own habits as explained how you believe you're obvtown when you're obvtown. My own thoughts is that you're null and I think self-aware players are the most dangerous type, so I can't really accept you being town until I see it.In post 128, Datisi wrote:considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.
I like talking things out I guess. Even if someone scumreads me or finds something I did something, I learn a lot more with direct conversation. It's especially harder here too because I am just as much of a stranger to you all, so I have to be reliant on situations like this. I really am just getting next to nothing from these last few pages and I do want to help.-
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Your own reasoning is fine but mine slightly differs. I don't like what cakez is doing because it's awkward. I said pointless earlier and then his response to that was that he was making a joke. Jokes usually require a bit of knowledge or even a setup but there I think he was just excusing himself. His words come out only at the concern of others and even then I just don't really believe him.In post 218, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:@heaven what’s your opinion on cakes voting you and our current discussion of whether it is scummy for me to be pushing cakes for it?
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Do you prefer being left alone or do you like the same things I do? When it comes to um..direct conversation. The feedback I got from our conversation earlier is like I said that maybe how I responded wasn't what you preferred. You wanted to keep yourself a bit ambiguous to see how others would respond, and in that moment we just didn't agree.In post 223, Datisi wrote:if you feel like you learn a lot more with direct conversation, why didn't you ask me about my moving vote?-
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It's my only way of breaking through the meta arguments going on around me eheheIn post 228, Datisi wrote:a different q: why do you care about what i prefer? you said you don't townread me. i could be scum for all you know. why do you care about what i want or don't want, as opposed to doing the things that would help *you* get the best reads you can get?-
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For your own sake I want you to quote where I said this. If you can't then it's not true and that makes me wonder why you're saying it anyways.In post 301, SirCakez wrote:
Heaven claiming that this post was not a joke and I'm just making excuses now is batshit ridiculousIn post 47, SirCakez wrote:gypyx solve the game for me-
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Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.In post 265, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Do you have any thoughts of your own?In post 214, xHeavenx wrote:I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.
I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.-
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Yes if this is towards me. What do you think of Datisi so far? A50?
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Remember when you said earlier how you didn't know how to respond to me? I feel the same way right now. This is such a rabbit hole that I almost want to take my vote off you, because it really is just that ridiculous to me. So much that you wouldn't get clearance or risk saying it as scum.In post 349, Almost50 wrote:Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven
Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".
My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.
Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.
Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.-
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I think therefore I am?In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Are you generally an analytical person?In post 320, xHeavenx wrote:
Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.In post 265, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Do you have any thoughts of your own?In post 214, xHeavenx wrote:I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.
I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.-
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It doesn't make sense at all and that's why I'm questioning myself here.In post 359, Dwlee99 wrote:Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol-
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It's a serious answer. I can't tell you the reason for why my thoughts come out this way, they just do.In post 366, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Is that a serious answer?In post 361, xHeavenx wrote:
I think therefore I am?In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Are you generally an analytical person?In post 320, xHeavenx wrote:
Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.In post 265, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Do you have any thoughts of your own?In post 214, xHeavenx wrote:I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.
I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.
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While it's not my place I contest this a little. I wouldn't be the one to call for Datisi's head here, but a lot of their posts to me are too careful? There's just a degree of skepticism found in himself, and it makes sorting through a bit more tricky. I've been thinking about whether this is intentional on his part or not.In post 425, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:ss and i both think you’re town-
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The only thing implied there is that even if you were joking, it's still an excuse.In post 462, SirCakez wrote:
This is where Heaven implies i was not joking earlierIn post 222, xHeavenx wrote:
Your own reasoning is fine but mine slightly differs. I don't like what cakez is doing because it's awkward. I said pointless earlier and then his response to that was that he was making a joke. Jokes usually require a bit of knowledge or even a setup but there I think he was just excusing himself. His words come out only at the concern of others and even then I just don't really believe him.In post 218, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:@heaven what’s your opinion on cakes voting you and our current discussion of whether it is scummy for me to be pushing cakes for it?
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I don't think I can make it any more literal than I could just now. I didn't vote you because it's not implied if I scumread someone that a vote should immediately follow, you're one person out of twelve yknow? Catch yourself up first because I want to see other things besides this quarrel with me.In post 473, SirCakez wrote:
An excuse for what?In post 467, xHeavenx wrote:
The only thing implied there is that even if you were joking, it's still an excuse.In post 462, SirCakez wrote:
This is where Heaven implies i was not joking earlierIn post 222, xHeavenx wrote:
Your own reasoning is fine but mine slightly differs. I don't like what cakez is doing because it's awkward. I said pointless earlier and then his response to that was that he was making a joke. Jokes usually require a bit of knowledge or even a setup but there I think he was just excusing himself. His words come out only at the concern of others and even then I just don't really believe him.In post 218, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:@heaven what’s your opinion on cakes voting you and our current discussion of whether it is scummy for me to be pushing cakes for it?
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I think it's easier I guess for scum to hmm everything. The lack of thought can sometimes be translated with indecision, which is a good thing to do is you're scum if you're worried about saying too much. It could be close to why I didn't like A50 earlier, but you're likely different people.In post 432, Datisi wrote:
why do you feel that my skepticism makes sorting me trickier?In post 429, xHeavenx wrote:I wouldn't be the one to call for Datisi's head here, but a lot of their posts to me are too careful? There's just a degree of skepticism found in himself, and it makes sorting through a bit more tricky. I've been thinking about whether this is intentional on his part or not.
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I like your observation here. I'll try not to get too sidetracked but I also want to say I looked at your scumgame and I don't think the tone matches. I think from the posts you've made so far you're a very well-rounded player however, so I would put you more into a leantown just by comparison.In post 526, Datisi wrote:i wasn't sus of lilith anymore at that point. *however* i don't really think cakez is scum right now either, my "cakez/umlaut/kerset" solve is a solve if this game is on easy mode - since apparently half the game thinks cakez is scum, and kerset and umlaut are like. doing absolutely nothing. however i don't really think this is the solve because i'd expect scum!laut to either be bussing or be doing *something*.
So that being said, I'm with you on Cakez/Kerset/Umlaut being too easy. I don't know if Kerset/Umluat in this hypothetical just leave Cakez out to dry. There's equity to be found in even voting there, given it's the most popular wagon. It could be a situation where scum ignore their partner and believe town could change their mind. Not implausible but not really practical, because scum usually just want to follow the trend anyways. If Cakez is scum then it's nothing but good if they at least talk about it, but instead Umluat/Kerset are nowhere near relevancy. If I had to gander I'd probably say one scum between those three.-
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I voiced my concern with cakez very early on, I just didn't vote them. I want to hope whatever you're doing leads up to something.In post 658, Kerset wrote:
How ironic thing to say as person, who settled down on common agreement.In post 535, xHeavenx wrote:Not implausible but not really practical, because scum usually just want to follow the trend anyways.-
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Let me see then?
- As I said previously, I think Dwlee v. Kerset is very circular logic. I think Dwlee is pushing the issue too hard in a lot of ways actually, but the whole conversation is self-fulfilling for both of them. Could this be because they are partners, or they both just really believe in themselves? Outside of that, they both seem confrontational in general. Dwlee spends a lot of time sticking their nose up at things and Kerset came back all snarky. Seeing two confrontational players with divisive opinions should be drawing more blood, but instead their behavior just seems conditional and mostly empty threats. I dislike both of them more.
- Gamma votes are fine but I'm just skimming pasts his posts. If the call to vote him is because his lack of usefulness I can be alright with that, but I don't know if it's the scummiest thing in the room. Townies can be pretty useless as well and I haven't seen him be all too opportunistic yet, so I'm more fine with waiting to see what happens.
- Pooky/Penguin have a funny duo gimmick going on. Good cop/bad cop? I can't read anything out of it. I like Pooky more than Penguin just because he seems more earnest while retaining playfulness, meanwhile Penguin is way more stricter but won't tell you exactly what you did wrong.
- Limit is still my biggest townread even if they're not nearly as present anymore. I can see them feeling a bit upset that nobody seemed to really care about what they had to say about Cakez and instead falling into the background.
- I don't know what to think about Tigerente other than they're trying. Not the biggest read out of everyone but I get the feeling they would try as either alignment.
- Almost50 had that weird moment and then never followed up on it. He never really got far in my own internal readlist but he dropped a little because eccentricity is not exclusively town.-
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I've loved your thoroughness recently Datisi and you've completely won me over, while you still retain some hmm I no longer think it's scummy. If other people were more engaging and less ambiguous like you I think I could read them easier but I can't. Is there anyone here that you think would intentionally veil themselves as scum? Maybe due to lack of townie thought?-
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Gamma has huge momentum right now. It's pretty much a building counterwagonIn post 872, SirCakez wrote:
what consensus wagon? I voted A50 who has no votes and then Gamma who has two votes.In post 871, xHeavenx wrote:Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.
and I always place votes and stuff while catching up because it reflects my thoughts while reading
What does this matter anyways? Your vote doesn't need to be justified to me, because if you think it's the right one I should be able to get that from your posts. I don't, I just see you vying for relevancy as you driveby numerous topics, eventually leading to a non-committal vote.-
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No you responded because you care too much about your image and not what your posts are actually bringing to the table.In post 889, SirCakez wrote:
Where is the "huge momentum"? This is such a misrep and objectively false.In post 880, xHeavenx wrote:
Gamma has huge momentum right now. It's pretty much a building counterwagonIn post 872, SirCakez wrote:
what consensus wagon? I voted A50 who has no votes and then Gamma who has two votes.In post 871, xHeavenx wrote:Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.
and I always place votes and stuff while catching up because it reflects my thoughts while reading
What does this matter anyways? Your vote doesn't need to be justified to me, because if you think it's the right one I should be able to get that from your posts. I don't, I just see you vying for relevancy as you driveby numerous topics, eventually leading to a non-committal vote.
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How are you getting this when you're not even broadly defining why these three make sense? It just seems so fake I'm sorry.In post 878, SirCakez wrote:
Dwlee, A50, GammaIn post 875, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:
Who are the scum on kerset’s wagon?In post 867, SirCakez wrote:I really have the strong feeling after catchup that scum are all over Kerset
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Those are the people with the most thread influence so that obviously means that wagon is going to happen, which makes me think you pretty much decided that's where the vote should be or what you should talk about.In post 913, SirCakez wrote:If you go back to page 30 and read through literally the only people talking about Gamma in the context of his play and not this stupid discussion of whether he's a wagon or not are Tig, Dats and me-
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Maybe I'm being too hard on Cakez but if I had to summarize what I see
- Says he is going to catch-up, doesn't
- Doesn't initiate conversation, rather just focuses on himself. A lot of groaning in particular
- Has no opinions barring what is being told to them or already said
I think this flips scum every time. He's not doing anything a townie would here, which is putting consideration first. Asking himself what his posts are actually doing and if they're helping. There is none of that, rather it's just a microcosm of reactionary thoughts-
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I don't get that, if I'm town and I'm being apparently dogpiled on then the scumteam finds the opposition to be worth something? I also don't get what your quotes there are supposed to represent, it just seems like people talking about you. The only person who wants you to die is probably me.In post 939, SirCakez wrote:
No but I wish they would leave me alone for a few minutes so I could stop talking about myself and actually scumhuntIn post 935, xHeavenx wrote:Do you think those people are scummy for pushing you?-
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I'm not bussing him so I should be town for the rest of the game after he flips scum.In post 981, Datisi wrote:
anway i'm not sure how much i like this postIn post 923, xHeavenx wrote:Maybe I'm being too hard on Cakez but if I had to summarize what I see
- Says he is going to catch-up, doesn't
- Doesn't initiate conversation, rather just focuses on himself. A lot of groaning in particular
- Has no opinions barring what is being told to them or already said
I think this flips scum every time. He's not doing anything a townie would here, which is putting consideration first. Asking himself what his posts are actually doing and if they're helping. There is none of that, rather it's just a microcosm of reactionary thoughts
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Didn't you just say you wanted to vote Cakez? I'm putting a lot on the line making such bold claims here.In post 1018, Datisi wrote:heeeaveeeeen i don't like these posts-
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