Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Tigerente

I am very confident that this is finally the game where skitteR has rolled scum with Mena.

[PenguinPower]

Oooh - double win.

[PenguinPower]

Perfect. Thanks for your hard work.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: tigerente

Heaven, are you an alt?

- lilith (aka... Smarter)

Yeesh what's with the personal question? No comment...

Pleading the 5th? Answers it all the same.

Thanks for your cooperation.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along swimmingly.

[PenguinPower]

Have you never caught scum because of behavior shown during RVS?

[PenguinPower]

yw

[PenguinPower]

Oh - I haven’t. Good on ya.

[PenguinPower]

I have derphammered on page 2 (maybe 3?) however. RVS is good for that.

[PenguinPower]

Wait wait wait - Lilith is “smarter” than “smart?”

You make a hydra without smart or smarter in it and then plan on signing that way...is that right?

[PenguinPower]

I MISSED IT!?!?!?

[PenguinPower]

Travesty. That also would have been a birthday start game for me so double travesty.

who was in that game?

[PenguinPower]

Oh...Cakez....oh.....

[PenguinPower]

Yeah not sorry for taking that one.

[PenguinPower]

lilith

[PenguinPower]

fiiiine I'll go back to lilith

ty

otherwise it wouldn’t make sense when I say

lilith

and that would be a travesty.

smarter

...bleh

[PenguinPower]

Pengy is my soul mason this game.

I did not need to drink whiskey to figure this out

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Cakez

[PenguinPower]

you have to try hard to win my love and affection

Well - some do.

[PenguinPower]

This post wins the game.

Thanks for playing everyone. Invite me to the next one, please.

[PenguinPower]

I have permission from ss to talk about the thing

What thing?

Can’t talk about it...sorries.

[PenguinPower]

Tbf - i sometimes post unofficial vcs

regularly

when I’m not the mod. I guess that’s accounted for in your 1% though.

[PenguinPower]

Also that was more than 30min

[PenguinPower]

Nope!

[PenguinPower]

Also that was more than 30min

I didn't account for washing my hands before and after I guess.

That’s important. You are forgiven.

[PenguinPower]

Lilith

[PenguinPower]

Lilith

thanks for the pagetop on my behalf!

yw s_s

[PenguinPower]

Mmmm

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm.....big hmmm

[PenguinPower]

Why is bork easier to read?

[PenguinPower]

Why is bork easier to read?

Uh people usually tell me i'm hard to read in general + (at least imo) its p easy to discern the difference between town and scum bork

Pedit i hope the next few days are better

~ skitter

Why is bork easier to read?

I don't have a particularly strong scumgame and generally bleed town when town

-b

You...uh...you realize that you are a hydra...right?

Neither of those singular things apply now.

[PenguinPower]

Of course not, but you have a shiny PT to discuss things in.

[PenguinPower]

Even if we were scum there's no universe where I just filter everything through skitter first - it's not like that happens in scum PTs either even if people like to claim it does.

this conversation seems entirely philosophical in nature and therefore not particularly alignment relevant - do you have any reads outside of cakez so far? hard to see where you're at from your ISO.

-b

Assuming this was directed to me - my comments were entirely about your appeal to your individual meta and why that isn’t valid. I said nothing about your alignment nor do I have a read on you alignment.

I have no reads at all - cakez included. Expect for pooky. But that should be apparent.

[PenguinPower]

EXCEPT

Stupid iPad

[PenguinPower]

Thinking emoji. This site needs emojis.

P-edit

WAGONS ARE GOOD

[PenguinPower]

Penguin i'm not entirely sure what you're objecting to here
I'm not appealing to meta, i'm merely pointing out that if people have a hard time reading me they *dont have to* to sort our slot, there's am easier way to go abt it (i.e. reading bork), which i dont think is a hot take really

I dont know why you think i'm 'appealing to meta', if anything i'm doing the opposite

~ skitter

Tbf it’s quite late for me and maybe my brain has shut down but “readability” it usually via meta - especially this early in a game - no?

If no - fine. I’ll revisit when I’m not half-eyes closed.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin i'm still interested in hearing more abt how u thought i was using a hydra to hide behind meta or something

I don't think I said you were trying to hide behind meta. I actually don't know what 11pm penguin (he's not the brightest) was trying to say beyond arguing that you shouldn't read hydra!bork the same way as bork!bork.

[PenguinPower]

I mean fair enuf r.e. late at night but all i was saying is that bork is objectively easier to read than i am and i dont think its drastically different in a hydra unless you're positing he's running all of his posts by me

~ skitter

I'm not saying he's running all posts by you but I assume you are having internal discussion which could impact how he presents. Not really an argument worth pursuing as it is low impact and your overall point is correct.

[PenguinPower]

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is lilith still town?

lilith

[PenguinPower]

ok

[PenguinPower]

hot take: it shouldn't count as your pagetop if the pagebottom on the previous page is also yours

i prefer simple over complicated.

[PenguinPower]

We're two days in, and I don't have really anything to grab onto at this point. You have said that before and then it clicks for you later in the phase.

[PenguinPower]

Sounds like you're doing a fucking great job of reading her

You're certainly free to point out where I'm going wrong if you have a legitimate concern, unless you're just goading me for a reaction, but if it's a legitimate concern you literally haven't engaged me on anything other than "bork poast when town" which is something that you know pretty darn well takes a higher sample size than like 24 hours of me being in the game to make a good judgment about.

-b

[PenguinPower]

1. xHeavenx - town ?
2. Gamma Emerald - hard null
3. Almost50 - town ?
4. Datisi - town ?
5. Gypyx - conf scum ( i jest)
6. SirCakez - nullscum
7. PenguinPower - scummy-ish but i am willing to wait to see if he posts more content. if he never dies he's scum
8. Tigerente (skitter30 and borkjerfkin) - shining beacon of towniness, etc
9. The Limit Does Not Exist (lilith2013 plus Something_Smart) - town i think
10. Umlaut - idk
11. PookyTheMagicalBear - i wanna say town but not sure yet
12. Dwlee99 - idk null town maybe
13. Kerset - hard null

this is where i'm at

pedit and like less ~chill~ and less ~carefree~

~ skitteR

Good use of your vote.

[PenguinPower]

Um...no...I’m saying that you are voting contrary to your reads.

Why are you trying to imply I’m saying things I’m not saying. That’s twice now.

[PenguinPower]

Punctuation would help me understand your point better. I read that as you thinking I was saying you were afraid to use it.

Point stands that you are voting contrary to your reads.

Ancillary: God i hate hydras.

[PenguinPower]

That one counts, datisi!

[PenguinPower]

and r.e. our vote: i wanted to move our vote off of dwlee, bork wanted to vote there, and out of hte people i'm not townreading they seem like a decent vote so i'm cool with it too

~ skitteR

Ok - but like you scum read cakez and me more so I’m not sure why it’s on a nulltown read when there are other lower reads that you could bring to equivalent votes.

[PenguinPower]

Well - given cakez, that would be umlaut that would rival wagon size.

[PenguinPower]

Oh - I would have thought nulltown was higher than null or below.

[PenguinPower]

I don’t do preflips. I’m going off the stated read list.

P-edit

Hardnull is lower than nulltown last I checked.

[PenguinPower]

Your voting dwlee though....

[PenguinPower]

You’re*

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I mean - I’m a fan of my rainbow readslist which takes null into account - but it does rank nulltown higher than true null.

[PenguinPower]

Ah - so you voted for kerset post last vc but instead of pointing that out to me you just went

Uhhhhhh

Coolbeans

[PenguinPower]

God forbid I expect the votecount to be current or a townplayer to correct me if not.

[PenguinPower]

Likewise and I don’t really care to conversing with you.

[PenguinPower]

Care to continue...

[PenguinPower]

Thanks buddy

[PenguinPower]

Nothing. I would prefer to engage with skitteR.

[PenguinPower]

Nothing. I would prefer to engage with skitteR.

i'm around
you uh seem to be not reading very carefully?
or at least have kinda misunderstood what i've said a couple of times now?

and maybe i'm doing a really bad job of communicating or something but a few times now your responses to what i've said have been kinda weird and like misunderstanding what i've said and then sort of starting a thing over it

~ skitteR

Not sure I’ve started anything really? I’m a bit perturbed your other head knew that I was wrong in my vote assumption based on the votecount and decided to say nothing. That’s about it.

[PenguinPower]

Should be color coded and sorted rather than lazily scribbled on a napkin that's still got ketchup stains on it.

i kinda just copied the pl from the op ... i didn't really think anybody would think that it was tiered or anything

~ skitter

Pretty sure that wasn’t a serious comment. That’s typically how I’ve seen you do it.

[PenguinPower]

I’m not sure it could be more sarcastic.

[PenguinPower]

To be clear - I thought you were voting dwlee at the time (you weren’t i now realize). Dwlee was rated higher on your list than the others and subsequently pointed out. Hence, sarcasm about good use of your vote.

[PenguinPower]

ok thanks
so like from my (and bork's) perspective you were being weirdly and suddenly critical over the fact that we were voting a null read, which didn't make much sense to me, and when i kinda pushed back it became a whole thing that didn't really match up with what i'd actually done (i.e. vote a nullread)

~ skitteR

I mean - I get that from your perspective but bork already said he knew and was testing so that’s disingenuous.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe pagetop stealing mods can post current vcs.

[PenguinPower]

I’m past that, but thank you. I’m responding to skitteR’s characterization of your understanding in her post.

[PenguinPower]

God forbid I expect the votecount to be current or a townplayer to correct me if not.

this is stupid
Not saying this about either of you, rather it’s about the situation

Tbf - you’re right it is. There was a misunderstanding which both sides agree is now a misunderstanding so I will move on.

[PenguinPower]

One head says that i am null and the other head votes me. Did you ignore it or didn't pay attention?

Did you read on or....?

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I think there are only two...boys who may be the opposite of good...that can handle this one.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe if the vanities did something that could change!

[PenguinPower]

Give the last vc was almost 24 hours ago I should probably refrain from commenting given I’ve seen kerset votes since.

[PenguinPower]

Cursory scan - that’s three 2’s, three 1’s, and a non-vote.

So - yeah - not really talking to you wrt that.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I mean there are plenty of inactive/less active slots so I’m not quite sure why one is more likely than the other. Early D1 wagons are easy to hop on to so I don’t know that I can explain it either. Certainly not to the point where I can be leaning one way over the other.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

why are you voting cakez, and do you have any interest in joining my hip new kerset wagon? related, do you think scum are in the inactive slots?

Thought I was fairly clear on wanting a votecount. I also think that your hip new kerset wagon is still somewhat vanity but could be inclined to join just to see what happens. Still want the vc first.

[PenguinPower]

Also, yes, there is at least one scum and maybe two in the inactive.

[PenguinPower]

mmmm - if it’s 4/3 then I would much rather someone else do it.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - I have the same reason to vote both and I’m on the leading wagon. I’d much prefer someone on a vanity choose one.

[PenguinPower]

I feel like this game is just us talking to each other and I really want others to take stances.

[PenguinPower]

Mmm - I’m hurt you think I’m scummy

[PenguinPower]

YEAH!

[PenguinPower]

YEAH!

Pengy I will be heartbroken if you are scum here I want you to know that

I would never break your heart.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: kerset

[PenguinPower]

Two things:

I’m bored with the game state and

You are signing as skitteR instead of skitter and that is persuasive enough for me.

[PenguinPower]

Well that was a blitz

[PenguinPower]

4 seconds

[PenguinPower]

‘Tis true

[PenguinPower]

lilith

This gimmick feels really forced.

-S

What a weird thing to comment on especially when you most likely don’t understand.

[PenguinPower]

Ok wonow the question becomes why kerset got traction but sircakezwas stuck

~ skitter

Yes...interesting how we have enough votes to push through a kerset elim overnight...

[PenguinPower]

One head says that i am null and the other head votes me. Did you ignore it or didn't pay attention?

Did you read on or....?

i dont understand

There was a whole back and forth between me and skitbork about this that would answer your question.

[PenguinPower]

Why not cakez then?

[PenguinPower]

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Why PP behaves like Tigers assistant? His whole gameplay is just placed all around them.

I feel like you aren't really reading the game.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - but that wasn't why I was doing it on a pagetop....still a really weird thing to say.

[PenguinPower]

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

VOTE: almost50
let's shake this tree

[PenguinPower]

who are these slots? besides kerset and myself?

At the time I made that comment? Gypyx (granted town), Umlaut, xHeavenx, Almost50 were who I was thinking about.

[PenguinPower]

I already answered this when Datisi asked, bringing it back up again is pointless

I hadn't read that post when I made mine......

[PenguinPower]

What a weird thing to comment on especially when you most likely don’t understand.

Well, wanna help me out then? From what I remember, you used the wind gag as a way to low-key canvass for votes on someone you scumread. I remember you using it multiple times and I believe it was fairly effective.

Here you're... doing a callback? Because you don't scumread us, or at least you don't want to vote us. So I don't understand why you're doing it, that is correct, and that makes me think that you're forcing yourself to do it for whatever reason. Maybe that's a valid reason-- forced doesn't mean scum.

-S

It worked well in the original game I used it in yes. Now it's just a meme, and that specific use was because it was a pagetop. See below:

fiiiine I'll go back to lilith

ty

otherwise it wouldn’t make sense when I say

lilith

and that would be a travesty.

smarter

...bleh

Lilith

thanks for the pagetop on my behalf!

yw s_s

[PenguinPower]

He was the bad guy in that movie cakez...digging a hole.

[PenguinPower]

mmm...now you're just spamming the thread

[PenguinPower]

lilith

[PenguinPower]

My pagetop?

I'm not sure, but I think cakez based on the last votecount.

[PenguinPower]

My pagetop?

I'm not sure, but I think cakez based on the last votecount.

Even before Umlauts last post I'm pretty sure kerset had more

you're right - it was 4v3 and now 5v3.

[PenguinPower]

Cakez knows he fucked himself and now just wants to have fun while not trying to lead onto who his partners are. His job is to merely distract at this rate.

Please kill him. Please.

I'm town bitches

This is a complete surprise to me and I don’t know what to do.

[PenguinPower]

Holy shit 7 pages.

[PenguinPower]

Hello!

[PenguinPower]

You all have been active for a Saturday. What’d I miss besides the error?

[PenguinPower]

I’m lazy - even more so on weekends....but fiiiiine.

[PenguinPower]

Am I allowed to say that me townreading Kerset at the end and thinking he would flip town should "clear" me too?

lol

[PenguinPower]

chilled at the beach all day and missed all the drama

You and me both, buddy. My beach probably wasn’t as nice as yours though.

[PenguinPower]

Pretty sure this is the first time you’ve read me wrong there skitteR.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - it’s very unlikely that I am groupscum given the wagon on Kerset and it’s also very unlikely I shoot A50 there as vig or SK so given my history with A50 so...idk.

I can still go cakez....or ig heaven or....*gasp* pooky.

[PenguinPower]

woah buddy

I know...I’m shocked myself...but I can see you being SK. You aren’t at the top of my list though!

[PenguinPower]

Does penguin just not post content as scum?

^

That’s a very base and incorrect way to read me and you know it.

[PenguinPower]

I find it unlikely which is why you aren’t at the top of the list!

[PenguinPower]

Does penguin just not post content as scum?

^

That’s a very base and incorrect way to read me and you know it.

this is literally how i always read you and you've told me this is the right way to read you before >.>

~ skitteR

Absolutely not. There is a ratio, and it is dependent on the PL and the game which is why quoting that statement as fact is base and inaccurate. Hell - the last Mena game I rolled scum in it was the inverse and I posted more content than I did fluff.

[PenguinPower]

That’s a very base and incorrect way to read me and you know it.

Why did you think she was scumreading you early in panic room

who is at the top of your list?

Cakez and Heaven...I just said that.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

I disagree that I’m not posting content tbh.

[PenguinPower]

I’ve stated where I stand. Not really inclined to say why further atm.

[PenguinPower]

Wait how is there 2 scum left there's no setup that has 4 groupscum and two are dead.

They’re using scum interchangeably for anti-town despite it being confusing.

[PenguinPower]

I’ve stated where I stand. Not really inclined to say why further atm.

Pls do.

[PenguinPower]

At least could have used the gif version, smh

[PenguinPower]

I don’t really care to provide “content” when I’m unsure that it will semantically meet your definition of “content” so whatever.

[PenguinPower]

Mmmm

[PenguinPower]

I’ve literally said why it’s unlikely to be me as either anti-town member but you can continue to ignore that.

[PenguinPower]

I’ve literally said why it’s unlikely to be me as either anti-town member but you can continue to ignore that.

[PenguinPower]

Like that’s something to talk about?

[PenguinPower]

i mean my next question is going to be why

why

i'm asking why

please tell me why you think that

maybe w/ prior art or some sort of conversation about something

whatever

See - now you aren’t even trying to engage in good faith.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - it’s very unlikely that I am groupscum given the wagon on Kerset and it’s also very unlikely I shoot A50 there as vig or SK so given my history with A50 so...idk.

[PenguinPower]

Yes you not even reading what I’m saying and then saying that I’m not providing content is not engaging in good faith.

I have no reason to vig A50 because I’m not great at reading him + we have a lot of fun meming. I have no reason to vig A50 as SK because we have a lot of fun meming and there are better slots to kill like....idk...you.

[PenguinPower]

Like - if I’m an SK - knowing I’m not town - and you are in this game with me...I would kill you regardless of your alignment. Mena next if he wasn’t mod.

[PenguinPower]

That was bork? Oh god - that makes more sense.

My comment on not reading what I’m saying still stands unless you want to correct that somehow.

[PenguinPower]

Yes - A50 and I double bussed our buddy in the first and second slot and as the last remaining member I’m being flippant and antagonistic to the claimed vig. Solid logic.

[PenguinPower]

I think heaven is more likely as the SK given hammer, twilight comments, and “cleared” comment today.

I just don’t have many more suspects for groupscum outside of Cakez atm. You were the driving force behind the swap (despite later abandoning) and Kerset was a goon so it’s not unlikely that cakez is scum pr. Also possible scum hopped on towards the end of the day, but there was time to shift it so...mmmm.

[PenguinPower]

tbf i am still very puzzled by the incredibly odd interaction i had with you where you were so hesitant vote kerset
or why a50 voted kerset
or why you know offhand that a50 was the first slot on kerset

~ skitteR

Want to show me where I was hesitant and explain why you can’t read end of day votecounts?

[PenguinPower]

Oh - you mean where I wanted to see where actual votes were before voting when my entire day 1 play is always based on wagons across .....how many games?

[PenguinPower]

Like we literally had an entire conversation about that so you saying that was odd is making me a bit irritated.

[PenguinPower]

I read the post. I pulled out the salient point.

[PenguinPower]

Boiop

[PenguinPower]

You’re also narrowing it down to just that point when I said there were others.

[PenguinPower]

I don’t think waiting for an official votecount is being hesitant but I guess that’s semantics.

[PenguinPower]

I read the post. I pulled out the salient point.

That point was made to show how ridiculous the previous claim was. I wasn't saying that I should be clear because of it.

Mmm...that sarcasm was lost on me then.

Subtract that point, I still don’t like the hammer and twilight comments.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: tigerente

Heaven, are you an alt?

- lilith (aka... Smarter)

Yeesh what's with the personal question? No comment...

Mmm...you remind of someone. This still a no comment?

[PenguinPower]

Nah - doesn’t matter. Heaven is probably town.

[PenguinPower]

I’m pretty disappointed in you given you are likely town tbf skit. Like - beyond just a bad read disappointed.

[PenguinPower]

I’m out.

[PenguinPower]

Idk - i don’t feel that you really want to re-eval me at this point - whether that be due to your partner or some other reason - so I’m going to bow out for a bit because I don’t think it’s going to be productive.

[PenguinPower]

Mmm - that would usually be done in consultation and is a pretty angleshooty thing to present.

[PenguinPower]

honestly i still don't get why the kerset wagon took off at all ....
maybe cakez realy is scum pr (gf) and a goon going down was better than a pr going down

~ skitteR

Are you kidding me? Literally....

[PenguinPower]

that would usually be done in consultation

I don't know what this means?

Mod errors are usually reviewed with someone - either a co-mod/reviewer/listmod - not done in isolation.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - I just don’t think that’s a worthwhile path to go down.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

Kerset was a goon so it’s not unlikely that cakez is scum pr.

It’s just further evidence to me that you don’t really care what I say despite demanding I say things.

[PenguinPower]

Like - I was going to come back after yesterday and revisit but at this point there are enough people actually reading what I write that I don’t really care to respond to you anymore.

[PenguinPower]

It’s the whole - “you’re scum because no content” but then regurgitating the same content I’ve said.

[PenguinPower]

And this feigned ignorance is just...idk.

[PenguinPower]

Like - I’ve never played a game with you where you have acted like this toward me - scum or town - and it’s infuriating.

[PenguinPower]

I literally just stated what the issue is and you’re like “fair nuf” when you have been doing this our entire interaction. Yes - if you don’t get it then stop talking to me or vig me.

[PenguinPower]

FUCK

[PenguinPower]

I’m here. Will vote cakez. Let me know when.

[PenguinPower]

Mmmm...

[PenguinPower]

i want to make it very, very, very clear that i'm suspicous of pooky being sk and don't want him to endgame
i don't want the day to end before people acknowledge that given that we probably die tonight

woah buddy

I know...I’m shocked myself...but I can see you being SK. You aren’t at the top of my list though!

Yet another thing we agree on.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

remember that time you murdered me and I was town" to skitter the next time she suspects me ^_^

[PenguinPower]

and maybe how penguin feels w/ us on him

Not to reiterate already stated points and reasoning - but yes.

[PenguinPower]

Can I vote cakez now?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: cakez

[PenguinPower]

ok so

gamma gets vigged

Pooky gets blocked

VOTE: cakez

[PenguinPower]

Thank you Time Travelers (1.5 hours left in my time zone)

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Probably best to get confirmation the block was actually submitted on pooky just in case.

[PenguinPower]

i thunk penguin is the serial killer who's decided to drag this out by no killing

he had that gif ready way too quickly >_>

looks at title

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

CVVBT??
CVVBTTT

Could be the addition of the Godfather when it should have been two goons.

[PenguinPower]

wait no

[PenguinPower]

I forgot infinity was ic

[PenguinPower]

could have been the addition of a SK!

[PenguinPower]

meh - i don't think trying to determine the error is worthwhile

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: pooky

Yes to fast night.

[PenguinPower]

oops

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[PenguinPower]

VOTE: heaven

Weeeee

[PenguinPower]

Probably for the best because Tiger would have been dead.

I'm happy with my reads for once.

[PenguinPower]

I'll be posting links to PTs soon

I hope you all enjoyed playing! The error was that I miscounted the number of Vs (there were 3) when assigning town power, so there should have been a 1s vig. (Pingu, I tried to lobby Isis to let me retroactively make you a 1s vig but she wasn't having it, rip).

Probably for the best because Tiger would have been dead.

I'm happy with my reads for once.

[PenguinPower]

After I saved you from a hungry tiger too sheesh.

I preferred heaven as stated but I wasn't going to fight conf!town's plan.