got three final exams in the next week. will be around but definitely not as much as usual.
that's a god-tier ic rand.
VOTE: sircakez
because 13 felt slightly too forced, and then 17 came up in pedits, and it didn't change my mindIn post 23, xHeavenx wrote:Aww Datisi why make such a bold trying-to-end-RVS vote?
i have a feeling this is a troll, but in case it's not:In post 25, xHeavenx wrote:Yeah but it's really selfish you know? I think RVS has it's usage and I don't know why you couldn't have waited
i struggle to respond to this because i fail to see what you can possibly "gain" out of rvs in the first place, but - you said you want to wait for everyone to chime in before getting serious. why couldn't you just wait before calling me out if rvs is so important to you?In post 31, xHeavenx wrote:Both you and me gain nothing if I "pretend" to just keep RVSing though. You were the one to somehow get a beat on my alignment based on two posts yknowIn post 28, Datisi wrote:i have a feeling this is a troll, but in case it's not:In post 25, xHeavenx wrote:Yeah but it's really selfish you know? I think RVS has it's usage and I don't know why you couldn't have waited
(1) what (2) nothing waa forcing you to act upon my vote? you easily could've kept rvsing?
that is true, however my 24 came after your 23, thus not really invalidating my point that if you had ignored my vote, i would've too.In post 35, xHeavenx wrote:Precedence was already established by that point when it came to your vote. It's a situation that you can't really go back from or just can't look. You yourself should be presently aware given that you already agreed that it wasn't RVS in #24
it's not about what *i* wanted or expected. i didn't want or expect anything - it was a naked vote based on a ping that i threw out there to see if something useful would come out or it, either from you or from someone else.In post 38, xHeavenx wrote:Ehh?
Would you want me to ignore your vote though? I responded out of commonplace. If someone naked votes me in RVS my reaction would be all the same. What did you expect to get if I didn't respond?
why?
considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.In post 65, xHeavenx wrote:So when it comes to what happened between me and Datisi, It seemed quite meh to me as well. Datisi says I could've just ignored him but I only assumed his best interest. I really feel like he could've just kept his vote on me and surveyed the room a bit more, but instead he just backed off. What do you think about this?
yeah, i've played with everyone here (including both mods) except for you and dwlee.In post 103, xHeavenx wrote:Soo I'm just the odd person out then right? Are you all familiar with another? I got that impression when Almost50 responded to me about how he couldn't read Datisi.
i am highly interested in this take.In post 123, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Dwlee probably town
what about their tone felt off to you? like their response to me after my vote felt Fine.
sorry, what? at the time cakez voted heaven, i was the only person arguing with them, and i had already moved my vote onto dwlee prior to that. who was pushing heaven at that time?In post 151, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:To elaborate: he voted heaven at a time when it seemed like multiple people were arguing with and starting to push heaven. It feels like a vote that’s meant to take advantage of that momentum rather than solve for heaven’s alignment.
- lilith
i unno, maybe he genuinely thought heaven's tone was bad and wanted to add to a push there? like i don't exactly townread cakez but i don't scumread him either and this seems a biiit too strong of a reaction to what happenedIn post 166, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:what do you think his motivation for voting heaven was then?
this is scummy because...?In post 167, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:also, a naked vote without acknowledging any of the discussion that was currently happening about/with heaven
because my gut says so.In post 180, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:why am I scummy, as opposed to seeing things differently (or just wrong)?
- lilith
i don't see a reason why she wouldn't? is there some kinda meta knowledge that scum!lilith usually sits on her ass on d1 or something?In post 192, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you think scum lilith tries to push towncakes right away on d1?In post 183, Datisi wrote:because my gut says so.
I find it way more likely that town lilith has geniune suspicion of ?cakes than the former.
how many games have you played with scum!lilith?In post 194, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think I've seen S!lilith hard push this early in d1 so unless any1 else has seen it I'm gonna treat this as a town!motivated push >.>
open 781: jk9++ is the only game i've played with scum!lilith, and skimming through her early iso, she did a semi-early serious push on penguin that game, so kinda?In post 205, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:can you give me a counterexample where lilith does do a serious push as scum right away?
except he was willing to instantly jump to your defense as soon as i started saying i think you're scum, so...? i disagree?In post 210, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:pooky didn’t even have me in his initial readslist ftr. I don’t think of his read on me as “particularly strong”
- lilith
i'm not saying one cannot have strong feelings this early - i've had strong (correct) feelings on people's alignments on page 1 before. (before someone cries how this contradicts my 173 - it doesn't. i deemed what lilith reacted to to not be enough to get a strong feeling. you may call me egocentric if you wish.) you pinged me tonally, yes, but i don't think you understand the strength of that ping - it was not that strong. by the time i changed my vote away from you onto dwlee, i was satisfied with what you posted. i got what i wanted, i moved on. why would you *expect* me to go further about that?In post 208, xHeavenx wrote:I just found um the way you handled your own suspicions to be a bit incomplete. I know it's early but the idea that you can't have strong feelings about something is wrong. If I pinged you tonally then I pinged you tonally. I really expected you to get further about that, but you didn't. Your reasons after the fact fall back onto your own habits as explained how you believe you're obvtown when you're obvtown. My own thoughts is that you're null and I think self-aware players are the most dangerous type, so I can't really accept you being town until I see it.In post 128, Datisi wrote:considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.
if you feel like you learn a lot more with direct conversation, why didn't you ask me about my moving vote?In post 217, xHeavenx wrote:I like talking things out I guess. Even if someone scumreads me or finds something I did wrong, I learn a lot more with direct conversation.
i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"In post 220, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Did you miss my post where I said the heaven vote was only ~2% of the reason I was voting cakes?
like idek maybe they are bad reasons but maybe you're scum regardlessIn post 221, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:like maybe your reasons are bad reasonsIn post 212, Datisi wrote:except he was willing to instantly jump to your defense as soon as i started saying i think you're scum, so...? i disagree?In post 210, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:pooky didn’t even have me in his initial readslist ftr. I don’t think of his read on me as “particularly strong”
- lilith
I won’t disagree that pooky could be scum but if scum!pooky came to my defense it was probably because he saw it as an easy defense
- lilith
it doesn't matter what i prefer. if i want to say something, i'll be saying it regardless if anyone asks me, and if i don't wanna say something, i won't say it even if someone asks. though generally, i would err on more conversation = better.In post 226, xHeavenx wrote:Do you prefer being left alone or do you like the same things I do? When it comes to um..direct conversation. The feedback I got from our conversation earlier is like I said that maybe how I responded wasn't what you preferred. You wanted to keep yourself a bit ambiguous to see how others would respond, and in that moment we just didn't agree.In post 223, Datisi wrote:if you feel like you learn a lot more with direct conversation, why didn't you ask me about my moving vote?
is there a reason you're talking to me in this sorta condescending tone? like it *feels* like you're calling me a liar, but i also think that if town!pooky thought i was scum talking out of my ass here, he'd be all over it trying to murder me.In post 247, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:really?In post 223, Datisi wrote:i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"
I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.
i remember.In post 252, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think when you vote me on bad reasoning you're more likely to just be bad!town than scum shitpushing me because you should know how I respond to day1 shitpushes.
do you want to hear me say "it's more likely that town!lilith has a legit tell on cakez than scum!lilith bullshitting about having a tell"? because like idk, i guess. it could also be scum!lilith actually having a "tell" that town!cakez happens to be playing into this game. i don't think i can confidently say that the first one is happening, despite sure, i think it's somewhat more likely.In post 253, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im not saying your lying or that i know ur thoughts better than you do
i disagree about what you said and I wanted to discuss it with you
this was prior to me reading Lili's "tell reasoning"
tonally and by meta I felt her concerns about cakez were more likely from town than scum making some shit up
it's believable. i wouldn't be that surprised if cakez flipped red this game. but like, i can't say i scumread cakez when i just don't. i'm reading the posts calling him scum, and logically they make sense, sure whatever he doesn't look great. i don't exactly townread him. but i can't say i scumread him. my heart does not believe.In post 254, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Dats what are your thoughts on this "tell" that Lilith is claiming on Cakes?
I find it believable and >rand that he just flips red here.
okay, so... do you think cakez is acting like that in this game? do you think he's town?In post 335, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:This is just... how I identify town-Cakez. The more blatantly scummier he sounds, the more likely he is to be town.In post 245, Datisi wrote:whenever cakez posted things, i thought the post sounds like something i would scumread. yet in my heart i do not scumread cakez.
I haven't played against scum-him in averylong time (I don't think?), but this method has worked for me so far. (And it would have worked in that game where he was scum, though I didn't apply it then and actually horribly misread him. That was kinda what led me to discover this.)
-S
is there a reason why a period of silence from you is followed by a joke that doesn't really add anything onto the discussion?In post 369, Dwlee99 wrote:Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.
this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?In post 402, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me
could cakez comment on this?In post 404, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:what do you think cakes was townreading me for in the early game (before I brought up why I was voting him)?
- lilith
i saw that post. that wasn't what i was asking.In post 410, Dwlee99 wrote:I also told y'all I can't contribute if all we are doing is meta which you ignored for some reason.In post 409, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why a period of silence from you is followed by a joke that doesn't really add anything onto the discussion?
lilith, do you know what a "nullread" isIn post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:?????? ok vote me again thenIn post 409, Datisi wrote:in other news, i am still not townreading limit. like, i feel like town!lilith should be obvtown when town, and i am still not feeling it here? like i know yesterday i unvoted them after discussion, but having slept on it i'm not *feeling* it. like, i couldn't point at a single thing and say "this is scummy", it just feels like overall she's struggling to replicate her usual town-self?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Do you think it is possible that cakes was avoiding interacting with me, maybe hoping that I wouldn’t pay that much attention to him? The lack of interaction in rvs is only one part of that. The lack of response to my vote is a second part of that. When he finally did respond to me, his initial response was defensive (“I do x thing”) and didn’t question my motivation. Then his answer about not finding me suspicious and therefore responding only defensively feels like he made it up after the fact to explain why he hadn’t been treating me with paranoia. Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?In post 402, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me
idk, "?????? ok vote me again then" and "Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?" felt angry to me, but maybe it's me failing basic emotional comprehension again.In post 422, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.
ehh, not in my mind, though reading back i can kinda see how it could be read like that.In post 423, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?
s_s? am i pulling things out of my ass, or am i correct in thinking that he usually doesn't have reads this early? why does he townread me?In post 425, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:ss and i both think you’re town
why do you feel that my skepticism makes sorting me trickier?In post 429, xHeavenx wrote:I wouldn't be the one to call for Datisi's head here, but a lot of their posts to me are too careful? There's just a degree of skepticism found in himself, and it makes sorting through a bit more tricky. I've been thinking about whether this is intentional on his part or not.
your willingness to stand your ground is probably +town.In post 434, Dwlee99 wrote:Datisi what did you get from your conversation with me?
because i think he's also scum and he's annoying me and (iirc) last time i played with him he was scum and coasted on doing nothing so that's not happening againIn post 435, Dwlee99 wrote:Also your vote was on kerset, why are you switching to umlaut who is probably less likely to be scum?
could i get some Elaboration on this?In post 445, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I don't think scum-you posts this:unless you're partners with Cakez or Pooky.In post 207, Datisi wrote:in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong.
-S
what about my play so far has got you "not feeling good"?In post 508, Gypyx wrote:for the record, i'm not feeling too good about datisi so far, and i like limit
datisi's meta-read model got updated since last gameIn post 509, Umlaut wrote:Call it excessively self-aware on my part, but based on my model of how Datisi usually meta-reads me I don't understand where this is coming from.
sure, you *can*. and when i'm not scumreading any of the actives, i'm going to start bashing on the lurkers.In post 519, Umlaut wrote:Yeah, I kind of anticipated that, but thinking my being inactive (all of 48[?] hours into the game at that) explicitly makes me scum still doesn't fit when you know perfectly well I can be demotivated and useless as any alignment.
what i was ~hinting~ at here: i know skitter has Very Good Reads on lilith and a50. and a bit ago i was following along panic room (viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778) where both lilith and skitter were playing. i noticed that very very early in the game (quite literally page one) skitter claimed to be town on lilith.In post 128, Datisi wrote:i'm getting vague townpings on skittler. (which is what i'd expect at this point regardless of her alignment because i am utter trash at reading skitter.)*however* there is a certain ~thing~ here that i would expect town!skitter to say and/or do that she has not exactly done yet.i will circle back to this eventually.
[added after reading everything: she kinda has, but not in a satisfactory way imho. i will update it at some point.]
i wasn't sus of lilith anymore at that point. *however* i don't really think cakez is scum right now either, my "cakez/umlaut/kerset" solve is a solve if this game is on easy mode - since apparently half the game thinks cakez is scum, and kerset and umlaut are like. doing absolutely nothing. however i don't really think this is the solve because i'd expect scum!laut to either be bussing or be doing *something*.In post 480, SirCakez wrote:Datisi I'm confused how you're both sus of Lilith hydra and also calling me in potential scum team
(1) me being worried about looking bad is not scum!indicative for me. again, if you want relevant quotes, i can pull them up for you.In post 524, Gypyx wrote:end of this post is exessively worried about being perceived badly, like, in a way, you seem more concerned about being the cause to a town getting exed than the fact that a town gets exed if ya see what i mean?In post 211, Datisi wrote:also: pooky gives me a scummy vibe of "trying not to appear in the center of attention while still trying to steer the conversation to his liking" but i'm not too interested in acting upon it immediately because i know i need more time to read him and i would not want to get wrong!tunnelled on pooky.
please refer to 526. i trust that you know that there was no way for me to see your 524, and then type up 526 on which i call lilith town multiple times, in under 2 minutes?In post 524, Gypyx wrote:Datisi being very dismissive off of one single meta read, it's either overconfidence or scum trying to keep the options open imoIn post 207, Datisi wrote:open 781: jk9++ is the only game i've played with scum!lilith, and skimming through her early iso, she did a semi-early serious push on penguin that game, so kinda?In post 205, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:can you give me a counterexample where lilith does do a serious push as scum right away?
also /shrug, the fact that she "usually" (which is debateable anyway) doesn't hardpush early as scum is nowhere near enough to convince me that that should make her town here - something something, meta changes, and this is faaaar too weak of a meta point (i.e. easily changeable) to be taken that seriously.
in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong. it feels like there's somehing wrong with them, i don't know if it's them having relatively strong reads on each other so quickly or what but i'm feeling uneasy.
(1) "i unno" was deliberate. i think i remember seeing ari say "iunno" and i thought it sounded fun.In post 524, Gypyx wrote:moonlogic : but i recall reading that scumtisi often makes this sort of typosIn post 173, Datisi wrote:In post 166, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:what do you think his motivation for voting heaven was then?i unno, maybe he genuinely thought heaven's tone was bad and wanted to add to a push there? like i don't exactly townread cakez but i don't scumread him either and this seems a biiit too strong of a reaction to what happened
why do i have a wiki that i (mostly) keep up to date... here's the two most recent ones:In post 530, xHeavenx wrote:Datisi, can I see a scumgame of yours?
helloIn post 557, Tigerente wrote:I wish mena were in this game so he could answer but one of the things he said to me in Deja Vu before i revealed my main is:
assuming that FL is the high end of that spectrum i gotta ask - is kerset's scumgame known for being effete or just generally lacking?In post 251, Disaster Cartel wrote:only that’s not what happened? I wanted to know why skitt was TRing you bc you’re evidently experienced but I have no idea what your scumgame is like from a range of like FL to kerset
because kerset so far very much feels that
-b
read the next few posts? (the utterly horrible timing)In post 605, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you think 509 is bad?In post 512, Datisi wrote:you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6