Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Dwlee
We have one early wagon, but what about second early wagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gypyx

is aligned with the

Town

.

1 M, no more Ms. 6 letters to go.

Also, time for me to try and see what Gypyx does/doesn't as TOWN that he doesn't/does as Scum.

Okay this is a scum claim
VOTE: Almost50

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, skitter's in the house!

So, that leaves Gamma s the "last arrival".

Excuse me I got here before you did

[Gamma Emerald]

Gypyx

is aligned with the

Town

.

1 M, no more Ms. 6 letters to go.

Also, time for me to try and see what Gypyx does/doesn't as TOWN that he doesn't/does as Scum.

Okay this is a scum claim
VOTE: Almost50

Like, this is a far cry from how you acted in our last C9++, even factoring in your account being different

[Gamma Emerald]

Gypyx

is aligned with the

Town

.

1 M, no more Ms. 6 letters to go.

Also, time for me to try and see what Gypyx does/doesn't as TOWN that he doesn't/does as Scum.

Okay this is a scum claim
VOTE: Almost50

y a scumclaim?

~ skitteR

Meta, in a word.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s less the surface meaning of the post and more the behavior he’s employing, which shines pretty well in that specific post

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75428
Just read Judge Joseph Dredd’s posting in this game
You should then realize the thing I see

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think it feels totally out of character for him to open with that sort of setup spec

[Gamma Emerald]

Soo I'm just the odd person out then right? Are you all familiar with another? I got that impression when Almost50 responded to me about how he couldn't read Datisi.

Only other minor blind spot for me is bjork I think

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma, have you played with a50 since that game you linked?

Yes
And when I said it was “our last C9++ together” I was mistaken on that

[Gamma Emerald]

Your solve should replace Gamma with Jersey, Pooky.

Kerset*

Okay, why this?
I also think I shouldn’t be in Pooky’s solve rn but this is a spicier take to talk about

[Gamma Emerald]

welp, first that seems pretty excessive to me? like, be straight there, if you had to give odds of almost being scum, what would you say?

As in literal odds, or subjective odds?

[Gamma Emerald]

To elaborate: he voted heaven at a time when it seemed like multiple people were arguing with and starting to push heaven. It feels like a vote that’s meant to take advantage of that momentum rather than solve for heaven’s alignment.

- lilith

I get this
When I was considering who to vote in RVS heaven came to mind as someone who seemed rather contentious already

[Gamma Emerald]

Pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

[Gamma Emerald]

@heaven what’s your opinion on cakes voting you and our current discussion of whether it is scummy for me to be pushing cakes for it?

- lilith

Your own reasoning is fine but mine slightly differs. I don't like what cakez is doing because it's awkward. I said pointless earlier and then his response to that was that he was making a joke. Jokes usually require a bit of knowledge or even a setup but there I think he was just excusing himself. His words come out only at the concern of others and even then I just don't really believe him.

I like this post, question is whether it’s town indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

I have permission from ss to talk about the thing

What thing?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakey do you think Town!Lilith could peg you as scum this early in D1?

Yeah probably she knows me pretty well

do you think this is town lili or scum lili?

On my part I think I’m dealing with town!Lilith rn

[Gamma Emerald]

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

really?

I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.

On this subject, I’m thinking Cakez is town because of how he reacted to the unspoken tell situation, I remember him in two prior cases involving such things, once as town and once as scum, and his reaction feels similar to but not exactly the same as his reaction as town in the prior situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting! "Vairy" interesting!! (The Gamma take on me is).

At first I thought he was joking or pulling a reaction test, whichever. But the more I read the more it felt like he is serious, and the question now is to figure if it's an "innocent genuine" suspicion or if it's because we know each other well and he wants me out ASAP.

Actually it was a reaction test, I knew my read was tenuous at best, so I feigned confidence to try to gauge your response
I feel decently well about it I think
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Got anything more than pedantry for us rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakey do you think Town!Lilith could peg you as scum this early in D1?

Yeah probably she knows me pretty well

do you think this is town lili or scum lili?

On my part I think I’m dealing with town!Lilith rn

Why answer this?

Because I felt like sharing my thoughts.

[Gamma Emerald]

gypyx solve the game for me

Heaven claiming that this post was not a joke and I'm just making excuses now is batshit ridiculous

Honestly, probably
Do you think Heaven is scum for it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I love you for this pooky

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.

I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.

Are you generally an analytical person?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: A50

His posts seem so in-between everything going on, like he's almost trying to not take a side and wait for options to open up.

I can understand this take
I feel like he's posted some half-decent stuff, but it's not really readable to a real degree, it just is kind saying stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

whenever cakez posted things, i thought the post sounds like something i would scumread. yet in my heart i do not scumread cakez.

This is just... how I identify town-Cakez. The more blatantly scummier he sounds, the more likely he is to be town.

I haven't played against scum-him in a

very

long time (I don't think?), but this method has worked for me so far. (And it would have worked in that game where he was scum, though I didn't apply it then and actually horribly misread him. That was kinda what led me to discover this.)

-S

iirc you were in Xenoblade 2, is that the game you're talking about as Cakez's scum game?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.

I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.

Are you generally an analytical person?

I think therefore I am?

Is that a serious answer?
Depending on whether the answer is yes or no to the original question, it will affect how I read you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't really know what you're trying to say. I don't cease being myself just because someone else occupies the slot.

-b

Of course not, but you have a shiny PT to discuss things in.

General question to those with ability to answer, when bjork has hydra'd in the past, did it affect his readability in any significant way?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

Not too much I'd be willing to commit to but I'll try my best. Limit is the one person I think is just town. A lot of the other people I'm not getting a sense of who they are, rather what they claim. The decisive arguments I want to see instead turn into what seems like bickering mostly.

I think Limit trying to persuade others with their own experience with cakez is the most townie thing in the game so far. Their words really jumped out at me, and it didn't seem like they were just showboating. It was an attempt to understand but also generate reads, which is what I tend to look for.

Are you generally an analytical person?

I think therefore I am?

Is that a serious answer?
Depending on whether the answer is yes or no to the original question, it will affect how I read you.

It's a serious answer. I can't tell you the reason for why my thoughts come out this way, they just do.

I'll interpret these combined responses as a yes
Which means I unfortunately cannot comfortably call you town for your thought process just yet, since I was wanting to TR your depth of thought, but it seems that's just how you are as a person.

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if we were scum there's no universe where I just filter everything through skitter first - it's not like that happens in scum PTs either even if people like to claim it does.

this conversation seems entirely philosophical in nature and therefore not particularly alignment relevant - do you have any reads outside of cakez so far? hard to see where you're at from your ISO.

-b

Assuming this was directed to me - my comments were entirely about your appeal to your individual meta and why that isn’t valid. I said nothing about your alignment nor do I have a read on you alignment.

I have no reads at all - cakez included. Expect for pooky. But that should be apparent.

I don't know if I'm being stupid for thinking this but I think scum!Pingu could have faked reads atp

[Gamma Emerald]

Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".

My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.

Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.

Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.

Here we go!
Yeah I think A50 is towntelling a bit with this
Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

It's way easier to read the bork head of the hydra.

see penguin straight from your BestBud's mouth

-b

are you treating us as masons?

cuz that's what Best Bird and Best Bear are every game

OpenMasons

y'all should create a Banjo-Kazooie hydra lol

[Gamma Emerald]

had to go back to reference the specific post

Apologies to heaven as I’m about to get into some discussion of past games, but I promise it’s all relevant

quick summary of cakes’ and my games together over the past year or so: he’s rolled town in I think every game we’ve played together, I’ve rolled a mix of scum and town. We’ve also hydra-ed together (once as scum and twice as town iirc).

I would say it’s something of a running joke that I “fooled” him in my scumgames against him, and in the next game he always brings it up and says “lilith I won’t trust you anymore” or something to that effect. He didn’t even attempt to interact with me here and he didn’t bring up the fact that he also messaged me about hydra-ing for this game until like 20 posts ago, way after I started poking at/voting him. I would’ve expected cakes to bring up our most recent game together, in which I was scum and he was town, and which ended not very long ago; I would’ve expected him to enter with immediate paranoia about me — instead he straight up ignored me and ignored my vote until there was basically too large of a wagon on him to ignore. In his responses to me he is solely defensive and doesn’t question my motivations at all. His voting heaven made me vote him because that was the point where I started feeling like it felt “wrong” that he hadn’t expressed any paranoia on me or interacted with me at all.

- lilith

I feel like I get the sort of mindset behind the sort of opening you expected, and via that I'm thinking it could have to do with Cake being otherwise occupied when doing his entrance
to explain another way, I tend to like doing RVS entrances that go off past meta with someone in the game. The issue is, I pretty much only get one chance to use any one entrance, so I might decide I want to use something else in a case where I could have used a meta joke. As such, I'm wondering whether there was something on Cakez's mind that impacted his willingness to open with the "I'm not trusting lilith" line
Plus, his explanation of already kinda TRing you maybe makes sense, even though the timeline is off? My concern is why not make the jokey entrance anyway?

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

Last time I played with almost50 I felt like I didn't understand any of his thoughts.

so because you understand his thinking, you think he's scum
is this a common trend you've noticed in games with him (assuming you have enough exp. with him to make this judgment)?

[Gamma Emerald]

Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".

My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.

Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.

Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.

Here we go!
Yeah I think A50 is towntelling a bit with this
Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

what do you mean by "towntelling"?

- lilith

I think the complex thought process feels pretty towny
Keep in mind though: this post could absolutely come from SK as well, and I think my inclination is to read SKs as town, if LN 231 was any indication. I just don't think it's a mafia post rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think dwlee's probably town for the sense of humor I'm seeing

[Gamma Emerald]

had to go back to reference the specific post

Apologies to heaven as I’m about to get into some discussion of past games, but I promise it’s all relevant

quick summary of cakes’ and my games together over the past year or so: he’s rolled town in I think every game we’ve played together, I’ve rolled a mix of scum and town. We’ve also hydra-ed together (once as scum and twice as town iirc).

I would say it’s something of a running joke that I “fooled” him in my scumgames against him, and in the next game he always brings it up and says “lilith I won’t trust you anymore” or something to that effect. He didn’t even attempt to interact with me here and he didn’t bring up the fact that he also messaged me about hydra-ing for this game until like 20 posts ago, way after I started poking at/voting him. I would’ve expected cakes to bring up our most recent game together, in which I was scum and he was town, and which ended not very long ago; I would’ve expected him to enter with immediate paranoia about me — instead he straight up ignored me and ignored my vote until there was basically too large of a wagon on him to ignore. In his responses to me he is solely defensive and doesn’t question my motivations at all. His voting heaven made me vote him because that was the point where I started feeling like it felt “wrong” that he hadn’t expressed any paranoia on me or interacted with me at all.

- lilith

I feel like I get the sort of mindset behind the sort of opening you expected, and via that I'm thinking it could have to do with Cake being otherwise occupied when doing his entrance
to explain another way, I tend to like doing RVS entrances that go off past meta with someone in the game. The issue is, I pretty much only get one chance to use any one entrance, so I might decide I want to use something else in a case where I could have used a meta joke. As such, I'm wondering whether there was something on Cakez's mind that impacted his willingness to open with the "I'm not trusting lilith" line
Plus, his explanation of already kinda TRing you maybe makes sense, even though the timeline is off? My concern is why not make the jokey entrance anyway?

cakes made the first post of the game, I'm not sure what else you think would have been on his mind at that point

it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me

- lilith

okay, in that case your point stands
following that, I'd like your input on my point that Cakez's reaction to the tell when it was still unspoken moreso resembles his reaction to the Noraa soul read from hidden temple than his reaction to the meta read that got him eliminated in Xenoblade 2 mafia (which you'll probably have to look over since I don't recall you being involved in that in any way initially)

[Gamma Emerald]

what do you think cakes was townreading me for in the early game (before I brought up why I was voting him)?

- lilith

I admit I didn't apprise myself of the full context and as such made an erroneous statement. There is no way he could have townread you so early to not have made that comment you expected.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel confident in anything rn
Gypyx what are your thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with penguin tbh, things feel kinda slow outside the cakez situation

[Gamma Emerald]

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

Why do you think 509 is bad?

[Gamma Emerald]

Personally I think he tends to make bad-faith pushes as scum, and I didn’t see any motions towards that in 509
So I’m inclined to agree with Gypyx that Umlaut is town

[Gamma Emerald]

dude we're like 3 days into the game you're not bell level divergent lol

Wut

[Gamma Emerald]

God forbid I expect the votecount to be current or a townplayer to correct me if not.

this is stupid
Not saying this about either of you, rather it’s about the situation

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe pagetop stealing mods can post current vcs.

Question: do y’all prefer when a mod goes back and fills in reserved VC posts or do y’all just like having current VCs

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe pagetop stealing mods can post current vcs.

Question: do y’all prefer when a mod goes back and fills in reserved VC posts or do y’all just like having current VCs

how is this relevant

it isn't really at all, I just wanna know because I tend to struggle with posting the amount of VCs I'd like to while also having a current VC a good amount of the time when I mod

[Gamma Emerald]

hap birf

[Gamma Emerald]

i am annoyed gypyx has not responded to anything i've written >_>

I wish mena were in this game so he could answer but one of the things he said to me in Deja Vu before i revealed my main is:

only that’s not what happened? I wanted to know why skitt was TRing you bc you’re evidently experienced but I have no idea what your scumgame is like from a range of like FL to kerset

assuming that FL is the high end of that spectrum i gotta ask - is kerset's scumgame known for being effete or just generally lacking?

because kerset so far very much feels that

-b

hello

i believe if you had asked mena what he was referring to there, he would've pulled up this game: viewtopic.php?t=84245

tl;dr, kerset entered low-effort / shitposting, got tunelled by a townie early, had to fakeclaim doc just to make is to day 2. that game is also what i had in mind when i voted for kerset earlier.

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

Why do you think 509 is bad?

read the next few posts? (the utterly horrible timing)

i am noticing that umlaut seems to start to contribute as soon as he gets called out. (i.e. he is actually Making a post or two in my reading now.) now i know nobody is gonna take me seriously but how is nobody batting an eye at this timing? @skit what is ~maybe town~ about him?

the skit/penguin convo is giving me surprisingly nothing ok cool

i still think umlaut deserves attention but considering nobody else does

VOTE: kerset

also gamma posts read worse and worse and the fact that he didn't try to respond to my previous call-out is annoying and/or scummy (is it? i'm gonna write that it is)

highly dislike 394 and 395 from gamma. there is some sorta vibe from them, posting for the sake of posting, trying to appear busy, etc.

I didn’t really think I needed to respond to this before? Anyway, I feel like what gave you that vibe there was basically me trying to be articulate about the things I was saying, and it essentially gave the vibe that I was like a student trying to hit a minimum word count on a term paper
Would you disagree?

[Gamma Emerald]

i am noticing that umlaut seems to start to contribute as soon as he gets called out. (i.e. he is actually Making a post or two in my reading now.) now i know nobody is gonna take me seriously but how is nobody batting an eye at this timing? @skit what is ~maybe town~ about him?

also gamma posts read worse and worse and the fact that he didn't try to respond to my previous call-out is annoying and/or scummy (is it? i'm gonna write that it is)

This latter quote suggests that if I didn't respond to getting called out you would be just as happy to complain about that.

(Also Gamma is probably town)

Am I town cuz datisi is pushing me or for something else?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma why are you not voting

~ skitteR

No one really looks like scum rn
VOTE: Kerset just so my vote can do something, plus I lowkey think kerset should have obvtowned by now if she is town

[Gamma Emerald]

If that’s @ me you need to wake up

[Gamma Emerald]

you defending cakes felt kind of like you defending mc in panic room

- lilith

if "wake up" is directed at me then my response would be that your ISO is full of fluff, little hunting, and weird half-defenses of cakes

- lilith

Well when everyone else seems to SR cakez it feels like I’d be wasting my time actually trying to defend him
The fact that I’m actually cutting my losses here is actually a stark contrast to panic room

[Gamma Emerald]

plus I lowkey think kerset should have obvtowned by now if she is town

after like 18 posts?

-S

I am pretty sure I’ve correctly townread unwnd off of less
I have a knack for properly reading certain players as town (beeboy, unwnd). Kerset gives me similar vibes in her town games iirc so I’m rolling with it until I get proven wrong on her.

[Gamma Emerald]

You asked why someone wasn’t open to a wagon on me or umlaut
I should think it apparent why I’d find it strange for that to be directed at me

[Gamma Emerald]

Because cakez has been a wagon for a couple days and nothing interesting has happened?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am townreading him

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok why
(And i think it was pretty clear this is ultimately what i was asking >.>)

~ skitter

I’ve seen a few things that strike me as towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure, just not right now

[Gamma Emerald]

Becausw the cakez part is dependant on gamma and right now i want to push gamma cuz this convo was weird and he hadnt really been doing anything and hasnt gotten much attention

Pedit dats why are u joining me ?

And yay voting kerset unstuck things

~ skitter

This is wacked
Haven’t you been on cakez this whole time? Why is your cakes read now dependent on my alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay scratch that you were on dwlee before
But I also think the way you asked me about my vote reeks of being partnered with kerset

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
VOTE: Tigerente [/post]

How so?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is town

I can believe you think this, just curious why

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh you replaced Gypyx, I missed that

[Gamma Emerald]

i also believe both claims

and still think cakez is a likely scumbutt

Which of me/cakez do you think is group scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I fully townread what Dwlee did earlier. I think their reaction could be something they could reasonably do as scum either by faking an impression or simply not really paying attention how the setup works. Penguin drops a lot for me as I agree his behavior could be in line with an SK, which I'm assuming is all but pretty much confirmed given the Tigerente/Umluat situation?

Given we presumably have SK it’s not a clear even if it’s a valid “town” slip

[Gamma Emerald]

we are shutting the fuck up about what is or isn't mechanically confirmed until the massclaim is done.

pedit: don't know don't care you both have shite relations with kerset imo

There’s only 1 groupscum left so it actually matters a fair bit rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless you’re scum here, which it kinda feels like it with how forced your scumread on me is

[Gamma Emerald]

first i'm getting scumread for typos, now for swearing...

@gamma, i've had my scumread on you for like. the majority of day one. i specifically called out your kerset vote as a likely bus. don't be talking shit about it being "forced" when you said literally nothing about it throughout all of day 1

Except the fact you refused to try thinking about it when the A50 flip made it potentially defunct

[Gamma Emerald]

y penguin

[Gamma Emerald]

~ gamma is trying to bullshit a scumread on me when he has no foundation for it from yesterday and also our ic is alive
~ and lol cakez

How the fuck is “the IC is alive” a point against me?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: datisi
I don’t believe your read on me is in good faith at all
This feels like the vibe I got from egotisi in haunted village, which despite me being scum there I did legitimately pick up a horrible vibe from your hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

nope

[Gamma Emerald]

lmfao *now* you appear

I'm also barely on the site elsewhere so go pack sand

[Gamma Emerald]

if anyone is seriously trying to argue me falling off is scum indicative you're not actually paying attention to my sitewide activity

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not Mafia Infy <3

i just realized this might cause more skitter paranoia so let me reiterate:

I am in no way a serial killer

I would never kill my good friend A50 who is a lot of fun to hang out with.

I probably nightkill [redacted] instead :3

I'm friends with A50 but that probably makes him more of a target if I'm SK because he's probably above average at reading me
so why isn't that the same in your case?

[Gamma Emerald]

Datisi’s early hunches ended up kinda good

[Gamma Emerald]

You were heaven???
I think u needed to town-hunt n1 tbh

O_o
Idk whether this harms my unwnd reading credibility or further establishes I suck at catching SK
Maybe both????

[Gamma Emerald]

So just the latter, then.