open 826; trist fall (over)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:00 am

Hello
VOTE: tris

MegAzumarill · Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:02 am

This setups feels like it could go either way rather quickly.
Although its probably best to go slow D1.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:07 am

Well I think d1 we should prolly take most of the time and decide the trusts for the rest of the game. After that we can go rapid fire unless we made a mistake.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:12 am

We decide d1 because we have the greatest % of town in the discussion/vote. Then we redecide if a mafia gets trusted because that day we will have the greatest % of town for that decision as well (assuming it happens on trust 1 or 2.)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #18 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:16 am

We start at 80% town, unless we mistrust d1 this is only going to get worse and less town will have to be tricked by scum for a wrong discussion.

We don't need to take the whole do, just reach a decision about the rest of the game.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:21 am

In post 21, inutile wrote:
In post 18, MegAzumarill wrote:We start at 80% town, unless we mistrust d1 this is only going to get worse and less town will have to be tricked by scum for a wrong discussion.

We don't need to take the whole do, just reach a decision about the rest of the game.
mm, this just feels like THE PLAN AS MAFIA to me

but that may just be because last iteration i had a very similar thought process during pregame

Not sure I follow what you mean but I don't see much drawback to this plan as it is.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #35 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:36 am

The point is that we wouldn't need to change the plan UNLESS someone flips scum. At that point town would be once again in its greatest majority (the number of scum is halved) and could then reevaluate based on whatever happened.
The thing is that we need consensus for this to work so we need to decide whether we are going to do this plan or not.

I could also be overlooking something but it seems to work in theory at least.
Additionally condensing the game into only a few decisions means that scum will have to be much more bold if things go poorly. We force them to make risky plays early and possibly out themselves.

Remember we win if we can all successfully identify one scum.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:44 am

In post 39, inutile wrote:
In post 37, skitter30 wrote:inutile do u think scum-meg would approach the game the same way you would ?
i do not know if i am familiar with megazumarill or not on account of possible alt so i am not sure

I am not an alt FYI

MegAzumarill · Post Post #45 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:48 am

Tristworthy*

MegAzumarill · Post Post #50 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:52 am

*sad serial killer noises*

MegAzumarill · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:12 am

Im gonna be busy for a few hours, if you guys want to use my proposition say PASS, if not say VETO.

2/3 (7/10 players) going for Pass should be enough for the consensus. Probably wont work with less anyway so lets decide if we want it or not then I'll join the game proper.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #89 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:00 pm

@skitter why do you like thor's entrance (I do too but I am wondering if its for the same reason)

Will say that I don't think inutile is scummy for their suspicions of me. I am proposing something that I assume is radically different than how this setup is normally played.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #99 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:12 pm

In post 97, the worst wrote:ok i'm glad someone else called skitter town first so i can be like "i kinda agree and it terrifies me"

Yeah skitter is a little scary. Something about them feels off. Reading their posts I can't pinpoint it but they are giving off weird vibes

MegAzumarill · Post Post #103 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:20 pm

I agree, scum can play for quick and easy townreads and get themselves out if town isn't careful.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #106 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:29 pm

In post 105, the worst wrote:
In post 104, skitter30 wrote:
In post 97, the worst wrote:ok i'm glad someone else called skitter town first so i can be like "i kinda agree and it terrifies me"
terrifies you cuz it's me or just generically cuz it's a townread in this setup?
probably about 62% / 38%

Math.exe has stopped responding.
Please explain numbers

MegAzumarill · Post Post #114 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:58 pm

In post 113, the worst wrote:
In post 106, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 105, the worst wrote:
In post 104, skitter30 wrote:
In post 97, the worst wrote:ok i'm glad someone else called skitter town first so i can be like "i kinda agree and it terrifies me"
terrifies you cuz it's me or just generically cuz it's a townread in this setup?
probably about 62% / 38%
Math.exe has stopped responding.
Please explain numbers
i went to type 60/40 then changed my mind

In post 107, skitter30 wrote:
In post 105, the worst wrote:
In post 104, skitter30 wrote:
In post 97, the worst wrote:ok i'm glad someone else called skitter town first so i can be like "i kinda agree and it terrifies me"
terrifies you cuz it's me or just generically cuz it's a townread in this setup?
probably about 62% / 38%
hmmmm ok

i don't think anybody should be townreading me yet tbh

~

also i think meg is p obviously town
intellectually i agree!

i do not have a read on meg yet.

No I mean what do the numbers mean? Your feel on skitter being town? The split of reasons why you are worried about trusting skitter? Its a little ambiguous.

I'm gonna sleep so don't expect to hear from me for a while.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #166 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:57 pm

Pre packaged Breakfast burrito because I'm low on time

Very meh feels about the final 2 players' entrances

MegAzumarill · Post Post #174 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:20 am

In post 172, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i am eating breakfast right now

a fried egg, a radish pastry, two pumpkin mochis, 1 soup dumpling and 1 fried roti flatbread

Jealous

MegAzumarill · Post Post #176 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:23 am

Eggcelent observation

MegAzumarill · Post Post #259 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:17 am

Hi Koba!
I am not going to trust fall with you (at least today)
Also please retract your trusts until we can discuss them first please.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #273 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:24 am

I'd rather play slow too.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #279 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am

I mean we just ignore koba for now and we can play slow anyway.
This is probably good for associatives anyway.

What is isolate and end?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #306 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:35 am

I'd prefer just agreeing to not trusting koba over locking faker out as well. Faker is towny imo.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #316 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:38 am

In post 305, DkKoba wrote:@skitter trust faker

????

Also I think faker is towny because 1. they suggested being frozen which is autoloss if done on a scum. (Very hard to unfreeze yourself)
2. Their arguements and approach to inutile/skitter ordeal feels natural and logical

MegAzumarill · Post Post #334 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:42 am

So if infinity flips scum who has associativess? Inutile is the only one that comes to mind right off.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #340 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:43 am

Ima friggin die if both are town

MegAzumarill · Post Post #351 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:45 am

Inutile I'm pretty sure the associative is in your favor. I'll read back.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #364 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:49 am

Inf defending Inutile early on from skitter makes me think inutile is town inf was trying to trust fall with.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #367 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:50 am

I was one, the other one was untrusted iirc

MegAzumarill · Post Post #380 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:55 am

You trustfell with scum that doesn't really help us.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #390 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:59 am

So you were untrusted enchant? I missed where you were initially trusted even. The one I was looking at before was actually faker.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #397 (isolation #31) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am

In post 395, Enchant wrote:
In post 390, MegAzumarill wrote:So you were untrusted enchant? I missed where you were initially trusted even. The one I was looking at before was actually faker.
That's pun or...
Hmmm.

It is one now!

MegAzumarill · Post Post #399 (isolation #32) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 am

In post 391, Thor Ragnarok wrote:I would expect Infinity's partner to attempt to give a convincing reaction, skitter, given the climate of the thread.

I don't think Faker's is Faked though.

I was also thinking of skitter as a potential partner, for a different reason.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #403 (isolation #33) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 am

In post 401, Faker wrote:I checked my role PM. Shockingly, I am town.

I guess at some point I should cool off and start evaluating slots again.

My role pm actually says I'm an sk.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #415 (isolation #34) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:08 am

The whole skitter/inutile/infinty thing at the start was a little offputing. I think it may be theatre from infinity/skitter to try to be trusted by inutile.
Thought it should be said

MegAzumarill · Post Post #418 (isolation #35) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:09 am

Shiki is inutile.

I think inutile is town as well.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #432 (isolation #36) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:15 am

I mean I think she decided to go because literally everyone was wanting koba to untrust her trusts.

I don't think we shpuld freeze enchant.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #440 (isolation #37) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:18 am

In post 434, DkKoba wrote:
or maybe she realized i was too loud

This could be the case if the rest of Kobas reads are accurate.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #446 (isolation #38) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

Infinity why did you trust when you did

MegAzumarill · Post Post #458 (isolation #39) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:24 am

You cant really say ur conftown if the person who trusted you is public enemy number 1.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #465 (isolation #40) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

In post 462, Enchant wrote:We have 8 people. 7 town.

7-2-2=3 townies, 1 Mafia at last day (unless we screw up it, but it's game over so)

You can't throw both me and Mag, you still need to decide, either now or in end game.

They are saying on the last day for the other 2 to trust because scum lies between me and you.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #470 (isolation #41) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:28 am

Did enchant post after koba trusted them but before they trusted one?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #471 (isolation #42) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:29 am

Replace one with infinity

MegAzumarill · Post Post #476 (isolation #43) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:31 am

Enchant probably is clear if they posted without hammering before infinty was trusted

MegAzumarill · Post Post #481 (isolation #44) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:34 am

In post 480, skitter30 wrote:
In post 476, MegAzumarill wrote:Enchant probably is clear if they posted without hammering before infinty was trusted
^

I do kinda independantly townread meg too

Well that's nice, sorry I don't do the same.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #492 (isolation #45) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:44 am

In b4 infinity flips town and all this discussion is pointless

I'll check back in after a while.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #493 (isolation #46) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:45 am

In b4 infinity flips town and all this discussion is pointless

I'll check back in after a while.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #543 (isolation #47) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:51 pm

I agree with thor for where the last scum lies.

Also I'm not sure I follow Pooky's reasoning fully, as assuming enchant/me is t/t, it would still make sense for inf to hammer there especially considering the proposed fall was me/enchant before the hammer. Why would inf interupt that if we were s/t.

Might be missing something though

MegAzumarill · Post Post #549 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 541, Thor Ragnarok wrote:My third choice would be skitter

I think we should have Meg/Enchant leave

and then Faker/inutile

This leaves a Thor/skitter/pooky/pav endgame.

Which I think is my favorite endgame RN without me in it.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #550 (isolation #49) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:18 pm

In post 547, inutile wrote:can someone just trust me so i can play as confirmed

Bruh

MegAzumarill · Post Post #553 (isolation #50) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:21 pm

I mean I think you are town but you are asking a lot for that confirm.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #555 (isolation #51) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:23 pm

I mean would you be confident in trusting a tr you have right now as town?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #559 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:26 pm

Let me rephrase, trust a tr that isn't your top or even second from the top TR. (You are tied at third)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #564 (isolation #53) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:35 pm

Having a conf player sitting by to try and monitor trustfalls would be beneficial. This is the best imo to do it with do to it not being obvtown to me but feeling very town nonetheless.

Someone talk me out of it

MegAzumarill · Post Post #568 (isolation #54) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:40 pm

In post 567, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 553, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean I think you are town but you are asking a lot for that confirm.
how does this make sense if you believe in Pooky/Pavo solve?

Pooky/Pavo/skitter for me

They are asking me to risk the game on the Inf/intu interaction early game being WKing over buddying. I think its more likely but its a gamble to assume it straight up.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #585 (isolation #55) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:54 pm

In post 572, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 568, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 567, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 553, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean I think you are town but you are asking a lot for that confirm.
how does this make sense if you believe in Pooky/Pavo solve?
Pooky/Pavo/skitter for me

They are asking me to risk the game on the Inf/intu interaction early game being WKing over buddying. I think its more likely but its a gamble to assume it straight up.
We can only have 2 players in a solve, its impossible to leave three players behind.

Who are you even talking about and why is it scum indicative?

I'm aware we can't leave 3 players behind. I'm not certain it isn't any one of them.

Skitter: interactions with intuile + inf early on set off warning flags, feels like scum theatre in retrospect.

Pavo: feels a little distant to the game, probably the most likely of the three to be town

Pooky: haven't seen a lot from you besides you explaining why me/enchant is T/S (which I don't think is particularly sound- addresses that Infi hammering there is it is S/T makes sense, but it would still makes sense fmpov for inf to do the same on t/t me/enchant, as well as inf to not hmamer on s/t me/enchant)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #594 (isolation #56) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:02 pm

In post 587, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 476, MegAzumarill wrote:Enchant probably is clear if they posted without hammering before infinty was trusted
^

she is saying Enchant is trusted but she's really talking about herself through the same logical lens

Same logic doesn't apply to me
Assume I'm Scum:
By the time I posted Inf was already trusted, and so either scum could go out.

But for Enchant, they chose not to leave even before their partner would've been able to. (what I specifically asked about)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #598 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:05 pm

I've got to sleep.
See you guys in the morning.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #618 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 am

Can you give why you townlock pooky

MegAzumarill · Post Post #620 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 am

Also I'd like to say that IC ing. Faker/enchant is safe here.

I agree pooky is probably town, yesterday I was thinking they were pushing for an enchant/me solve (which im pretty sure is a scum win) but rereading it reads more like just discussing possibilities.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #683 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:19 am

trust faker

MegAzumarill · Post Post #698 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:25 am

Yes this is game overm

Ggwp all (especially pooky)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #702 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:26 am

I was enjoying it, kind of wish it went on for longer but didn't want to slowroll

MegAzumarill · Post Post #736 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:50 am

No objections here