open 826; trist fall (over)

[inutile]

hm

[inutile]

hi infinity

[inutile]

!

sometimes it feels like things are meant to be; something about this format

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format

or setup i guess, would have been more apt

[inutile]

This setups feels like it could go either way rather quickly.
Although its probably best to go slow D1.

hmm, while i am always an advocate for slow, how enjoyable do you think this game would be if we took the full 12 days for each trust?

[inutile]

Well I think d1 we should prolly take most of the time and decide the trusts for the rest of the game. After that we can go rapid fire unless we made a mistake.

mm

i don't really get it

day 1 fast rest slow makes more sense than day 1 slow rest fast to me

because working with no information is not as likely to succeed as working with more information

but we can just go slow throughout unless have a reason to do otherwise

that reason probably being there will likely come a point where we feel good enough about a decision

because past that it is no longer a grind for the mafias it just creates opportunities for them

[inutile]

I plan to fire off a trust or two within a day or so.

would my asking you not to do this also make the game less fun?

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We start at 80% town, unless we mistrust d1 this is only going to get worse and less town will have to be tricked by scum for a wrong discussion.

We don't need to take the whole do, just reach a decision about the rest of the game.

mm, this just feels like THE PLAN AS MAFIA to me

but that may just be because last iteration i had a very similar thought process during pregame

[inutile]

Not sure I follow what you mean but I don't see much drawback to this plan as it is.

mafias want to work with static framework

or at least some mafias do

like work off of whichever gets townread, create static worlds, have new worlds prepared for when the townread one of you trusts

instead of constantly working off of current information

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skitt i feel like shiki's posting is a bit too mech-focused to be ai so far? for me it's harder to see her towny thought process in mech in open setups at least

hm, is there a plan for reading me then?

[inutile]

wait intuile is shiki?

mhm

[inutile]

though shiki is inutile would be more accurate

[inutile]

were you scum last iteration?

yes something smart and i were mafia last iteration; infinity trusted me in the third trust, after something smart had exited in the second trust

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inutile do u think scum-meg would approach the game the same way you would ?

i do not know if i am familiar with megazumarill or not on account of possible alt so i am not sure

[inutile]

I am not an alt FYI

thumbs up

not familiar then

so 'i do not know' would be my answer to skitter

[inutile]

so 'i do not know' would be my answer to skitter

due to unfamiliarity

[inutile]

I want to find friends I can trust with my heart in this game

I would be very hurt if I was deceived. Who here is town and can promise?

i mean, you can just trust me if you'd like

[inutile]

That's not very convincing to me

it would give infinity a way to read me and it prevents this from escalating to you potentially trusting someone else right now

[inutile]

this post is *really* feeling weird to me and somewhat scummy
i don't know if meg's approach to the game is *right*, but i do like how they're thinking about the setup
and i dislike that inutile is just vaguely shading this whole thought process

mm i don't get it

like that's the sort of way i viewed the game as mafia, shrug

[inutile]

I'd never do something like that, I don't want to feel betrayed if I'm gonna trust someone

well i couldn't betray you on account of town, so

[inutile]

are you scumreading meg rn @inutile?

maybe slightly? like to the extent that, oh i had a similar thought when i was mafia is a scumread, like its something i noted more than 'megazumarill is mafia because of this'

[inutile]

My first garbage take of the game: 1 scum between inu/Skitter.

i think it's a decent take

ehhh

skitter thinks i'm towny! skitters learns i am me! skitter thinks something i said before was in fact scummy!

one of these two is scum

with the knowledge of your alignment i don't really see how you think this is a decent take beyond like

'i am town and i think inutile is mafia'

which i just don't understand how you got there in the first place

so sure i could say, 'decent take! it's skitter!' right because it's like a weird approach to my slot to me, but, uh,

???

[inutile]

Unless I feel an instant spiritual connection with someone, I want to build up genuine trust over many a conversation

hm

[inutile]

i don't agree that shiki shading there is scummy

how i'm reading it hte implication is that inutile is saying she doesn't like the plan, and thinks it's soemthing that more likely than not comes from mafia, as she had a similar thought process last game when she was mafia

the scummy bit is that she doesn't *actually* want to call meg scummy for it, so it's just generally casting shade for no good reason there

mm i feel as though we have played together enough for this to be a weird expectation of me;

like how often have you found that

i note something as potentially coming from mafia > this player is definitely mafia!

sure when i was new sometimes but i learned from disasters i caused

[inutile]

i'm saying that you seem to be saying you think that plan comes from mafia but don't want to call her scummy for it, and that disconnect seems scummy to me

no i think the plan is similar to how i was thinking about the game as mafia (though i did not lay out a plan to do so in the thread) and i found this to be something worth noting

there just isn't a disconnect to me,

[inutile]

and @inutile, the way you wrote the 'the plan as mafia to me' bit makes it sound to me like you think this is a plan that mafia would approach the game with, which is why it reads ot me like the natural conclusion is that you would be finding her scummy here, so the fact that you aren't makes it seem like you want to call her plan mafia-adjacent without calling her scummy, so it reads as just shade with nothing deeper

oh was it just the capitalization? i just do that sometimes when it is like, a specific thing, for emphasis/to create a proper noun out of it, like how when people sometimes put 'tm' on the end of a similar statement,

like i still think it's noteworthy? i haven't unnoted it, i don't see what the expectation of me is here

[inutile]

is inutile shiki?

yup (i think(?) angela and hari are the accounts of mine you are familiar with though)

[inutile]

Is this the first time we've actually played together? Woah.

mystery box gnine was, i believe

[inutile]

Skitter 2/2 agreeing with my garbage takes, cut it out or I'm gonna start trusting you

what do you think about skitter agreeing with the first one though

[inutile]

Hi!

You have 2 days before i trust people on random from boredom. Don't worry, what's wrong could happen? Majority is town for now.
TICK TACK.
TICK TACK.

mm is this like

intentionally meant to be frustrating?

[inutile]

also hello again

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No?

Simple warning. If i wanted to frustrate, would already do it. Right?

but you do realize this approach can be very frustrating to other players yes?

[inutile]

I don't think so.

well then i am letting you know now that

'i am going to randomly trust in two days'

is incredibly frustrating for me and it seems unlikely to me that i would be the only one who feels this way

[inutile]

do you have any thoughts on the game so far?

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Do you think i pick up mafia or what?

doesn't seem super likely to me right now no, but that makes 'i am going to randomly trust' more frustrating not less, because if i could attribute it to you being mafia then it is like, okay do whatever noone will trust and then you're caught instead of thinking it will potentially lose us the game when you have the option of just, not doing so? right?? like there's no actual need for you to do so

[inutile]

music

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[inutile]

Town requires sacrifices.

do you have any thoughts on the game so far?

[inutile]

Pooky we should trust each other

not liking this

[inutile]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

? am i misunderstanding this? or are you saying that you skimmed my iso from the last trust fall and now think it is more likely i am mafia than before? and if i am not misunderstanding, could you explain why you think this?

[inutile]

inutile, after playing through this setup once as scum, what are your impressions of the setup: What were your "final" thoughts on the setup as mafia, and what lessons from that game have you carried forward with you as town this game?

that was actually the second time i've played through the setup as mafia, though the first was part of a four person hydra and i didn't really post,

uh, patience generally good for town, probably the biggest one, not going to lay out things i am looking for players doing right now for pretty apparent reasons

[inutile]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

? am i misunderstanding this? or are you saying that you skimmed my iso from the last trust fall and now think it is more likely i am mafia than before? and if i am not misunderstanding, could you explain why you think this?

My point to Skitter was that it was a weird place to hedge a scumread. I think going after Meg would be an awful play to begin with, and even if you do it anyway hedging it is pointless. This was primarily a counter to skitter, but I had you as a townlean for the initial repartee.

In the last Trust Fall, you repeatedly hedged possible scum motivations as town ones. Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit D. You begin to press more specific reads later. I've done some analysis of context but not enough to be confident that I'm not falling prey to confirmation bias.

"More likely to be mafia" is on the face of it literally true, but the more complete picture is a more neutral "My reason for townleaning you is likely wrong in process, even if not in result"

gotcha; yeah i try to emulate my thought processes as mafia, and it makes sense if you were looking closely at exactly that instead of play as a whole, especially if just looking at my iso not entire game to come away thinking oh this is similar

why do you think scumreading megazumarill would be awful play?

[inutile]

2) This game I'm town so I'm thinking maybe Karma gave him red to get his revenge on me.

this could be applied to infinity having the opportunity to get her revenge on me as well, and i am perhaps even more likely to give thought to this type of logic than usual on account of having /outed from the queue and still having ended up in the game,

[inutile]

It's weird when someone tells me they have no thoughts.

it's not even just a blanket 'i have no thoughts on the game'

it's i have no thoughts but am planning on randomly trusting in two days nonetheless

which like, if mafia is extremely risky right? like town doesn't trust because it's ??? and then what

if town it's bad for town because the other towns are still going to be like ??? but a mafia is likely to instantly accept or to try to use the trust to confirm themselves

[inutile]

I am completely serious. Trust everyone except myself and Koba and just end the game.

kinda fine with this

[inutile]

battery depleting

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this is mad dumb I actually wanted to play :<

[inutile]

I strongly dislike this

[inutile]

faker wants them both not trusted forever

[inutile]

So if infinity flips scum who has associativess? Inutile is the only one that comes to mind right off.

????? for thinking she was maybe mafia?? based on moonlogic?

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Infy isnt talking, that's almost more of an indicator than the fact that she took the trust

[inutile]

Don't join games with me either please

[inutile]

im just so frustrated that it’s like

i say this bad idea 12 times and then it’s a bad idea

and you make believe was reasonable

[inutile]

mods: if you want this strategy to not work just make a single trust possible per townie

the strategy clearly doesn't work already

[inutile]

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i

could you put words to why i am at the bottom of pairings list please

if you want, don't really have to,

[inutile]

[inutile]

i think she probably did just want to get her partner's OK to leave (irregardless of if the partner is meg/enchant), which is why she went to 'strategize'.

i town

she'd just instant accept with me as partner same as i would do were it me as mafia, like if you think i am likely or pooky is likely i don't really see what you think was happening in that time

[inutile]

can someone just trust me so i can play as confirmed

[inutile]

please

[inutile]

can someone just trust me so i can play as confirmed

Bruh

i'm town it's just so everyone can see worlds if you don't currently think i'm town then just do whatever it is you need to do to sort me and then do so or can see if someone else does

[inutile]

like it's where the game naturally is now because we have to get three pairs right in a row and the slot i am sure of is me so here we are this is the way i know how to do it that is most likely to end in a good result

[inutile]

I mean I think you are town but you are asking a lot for that confirm.

i am asking someone to bet the game on my being town, yes

and if someone needs to run at me or whatever to be sure enough for that it's fine

[inutile]

I mean would you be confident in trusting a tr you have right now as town?

that is plan b

[inutile]

i don't think it changes with who the partner is?

and i'm not confident enuf in you just yet to have you trusted

it does yes because we'd have discussed that in pregame were i the partner just as i did last time and she'd just instant accept

[inutile]

it does yes because we'd have discussed that in pregame were i the partner just as i did last time and she'd just instant accept

there's isn't really something for her to discuss with me about 'do i accept this' ya know and i was aware it was happening as you can tell from the thread and would have said to infinity so the 'reading the game' or whatever the other theory was also doesn't hold for me as partner

[inutile]

Let me rephrase, trust a tr that isn't your top or even second from the top TR. (You are tied at third)

sorry i do not think i have explained well

i am trying to up front say if anyone isn't townreading me, please address that now, do whatever you need to do to be confident i am town, so if i am not your top townread, that's okay, i will be once i am confirmed, and if noone wants to confirm me, or try to sort me here to be able to do so, then we're halfway to a loss because we have to get every single pair right

[inutile]

then we're halfway to a loss because we have to get every single pair right

like our leeway is exactly one player

[inutile]

inutile: You don't need to be in the pairings to solve the game. It's unclear to me why it is a necessity to be cleared now instead of later, or the utility for you specifically over another player except perhaps to make it easier on you. The same goes for most of the other players, for example Meg who is only scumread by Pooky. For a more extreme example, not a single player has outed a scumread on me right now. I don't want to be trusted or cleared, but there'd be clear utility in it: If I'm scum the game is already over, and the assumption of the game is safe.

it makes it harder for me if anything,

[inutile]

it makes it harder for me if anything,

like i would then have to actually be right about something ya know

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