Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Taly]

what is the best way to get into this game? page-by-page catchup, or diving headfirst and feeling the current as it runs?

[Taly]

Votecount:

• numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron
  Egix96 (3): numberQ, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko
  Not_Mafia (1): Egix96

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 18:35:01).
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

numberq/Egix

, how do you feel about the others' wagon and potential lim?

[Taly]

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

haha, then you're not going to be getting thoughts in chronological order of what I've read

I've had a few passing thoughts reviewing the latest pages:

RH9

, your quote posts on page 33, are you trying to give a conclusion on your reads or just sharing meta?

801 doesn't feel WKy, it reads as genuine because

A50

is not on the wagon and the content of this dayphase seems to be at a snail pace. Actually, I'd go further judging how

A50's

wagon died for

numberQ's

to bloom, so this reads with a lack of agenda and likely uninformed.

I mindmelded with

RH9's

805 so that strengthens my comfort with both slots.

I also don't like the defensiveness in 807 from

Roden

because he seemed to trivialize a genuine question

A50

had, unsure what the frustration means alignment-wise.

Take after skimming back through day 2: Meg's interactions with both of the wagons are sus as hell and I think they are scumbuddies with Egix.

I also think Almost is town and this wagon on him is weird. If my {Meg, Egix} theory is right, I think the remaining scum is on that wagon.

Does mafia dumbtell this?

766 is informative in the event of scum!egix flip

How so?

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

I'm liking

RH9

at the moment

Can you quote key posts that build your scumread on

Egix

?

And what do you mean by

'build associations on

Roden/Galron

"

? This sounds like confbias but I want to hear you explain.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

ick, where's the

Egix/Roden

associative coming from?

And now you're back to E-2.

FINALLY SOMEONE KEEPS UP WITH VC.

~

also confirming, I'm town in Slaughter Hour and I literally couldn't have been more true to my towngame there, so perhaps hold me to that standard of play

[Taly]

this game needs a WIM booster

[Taly]

ill also add that the game you mentioned i was mafia in was a 3-for-1, so there is a town element to my posting.

heres games where I was not town from recent to least, or relatively so
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - SK that rep'd early, my WIM is generally lower as scum
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84987 - rep'ed in as a scum hydra!
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 - I was in a scum hydra known as

Fractured

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - insanely large multiball where I was NKed by ANOTHER SCUMTEAM because they thought I was town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - a 2-1 game, i was elim'd as mafia and then played as town - you can actually see a pretty vivid contrast in my mentality this game
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - was a traitor, rep'd out tho
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=76290 - flawless scum victory
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63741 - my first team scum game hehehehehehe baby

taly

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60966 - first game as non-town - won as an SK!

unfortunately, i roll town far more than scum so i dont have a lot of games that depict my recent meta as mafia, so the

"hold me to my town game"

might be just as helpful

[Taly]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

[snip]

So you're saying scum would trade one of their own for me? I'm flattered you think I'm that good, but the facts are that I was very close to being limmed anyway. A scum team including you could have easily banked on town hammering to maintain reputation.

That said, while writing the above I did realize that with a perfect scum game three days in, maybe trading would have been the play for scum to make. It would have put the game in ELo if I'm not mistaken.

What do others make of this idea that Egix would have hammered me if he was scum?

Take after skimming back through day 2: Meg's interactions with both of the wagons are sus as hell and I think they are scumbuddies with Egix.

I also think Almost is town and this wagon on him is weird. If my {Meg, Egix} theory is right, I think the remaining scum is on that wagon.

Does mafia dumbtell this?

I did a similar thing in Squid Game, and I was mafia there. But I blame it more on being super busy with work the past few months and thus slightly scatterbrained, more than any kind of meta or tell. fwiw I don't think I've ever had a mix up like that in other games, as mafia or town.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

I'm liking

RH9

at the moment

Can you quote key posts that build your scumread on

Egix

?

And what do you mean by

'build associations on

Roden/Galron

"

? This sounds like confbias but I want to hear you explain.

My case on Egix is a little scattered. I guess it starts in 236. He was more or less off my radar day 2. Then today the wagons on Almost and myself are pinging me like crazy that it's scum trying to keep us off Egix. That's also where my Roden/Galron associations come up, because of their interactions with both of those wagons. If Egix is in fact scum, I think it's likely his scum buddies were trying to protect him. Which is why I want Egix to go first.

eh, I'm not following this much because

Egix

is rescinding a wagon he wasn't apart of. What do you mean by

Egix

being off your radar in day 2? Your vote was on

Egix

in place of the

PP

wagon which led to an elimination there.

I'm liking RH9 at the moment

Please expand on this.

I don't think scum is likely to rep into a game with a large focus on meta'ing the majority of the plist. On one hand, it can be said that meta is a mask to hide an informed perspective, but the doubt with this being true for

RH9

is that he did mis-label me in a game, and has already outlined meta reads off limited information.

It doesn't feel like he's trying to persuade, is my idea.

Plus the mindmeld on

A50's

post felt natural.

[Taly]

I am curious though,

RH9

, are you an alt I'm familiar with? Because I otherwise do not recall playing with you before.

[Taly]

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

[Taly]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[Taly]

<3 galron

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.

On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

No opinion on

RH9

?

number

was voting you D2 - so what's the connection between your loss of confidence and

PP

townflip?

[Taly]

RH9, you came in and mis-labeled Taly as scum in a meta dive, and then said Taly feels different this game when Taly had made just two posts, one asking the best way to catch up and the other a solvey-type post. Then you figure out that Taly wasn't scum in the game you quoted but you don't change direction on Taly.

To be fair, Taly's current posting feels different to that of when he's Mafia.

How can you get a feel for Taly with him posting just twice. Shouldn't you be reading Gamma Emerald, the player that Taly subbed for? Wouldn't that produce better data? And if Taly's posting this game feels different that Slaughter Hour, are you saying that he's mafia this game? And how was Taly's posting to the point where you said he was different when he was mafia different this game anyway?

Didn't Taly replace redtea? But then, looking back, I think that it is just Taly's playstyle and I mislabbeled it. No, I thought that before, but Taly feels quite Town to me. And I thought that Taly would be writing longer but wrote quite less before.

I don't follow what you're saying here doll

I don't think RH9 is scum just due to the sheer amount of effort he's put in already + Gamma was finally beginning to give me town vibes before he replaced out.

I think I want to boot NM at this point. Egix brought up a good point earlier:

I tried re-reading the game, but it's just bleh. I don't see any reason to vote Egix other than he was the Counterwagon.

I did find one post where A50 was solving.

I'm not understanding why numberQ listed himself as scum in his reads list but I don't know that scum actually does that.

I wasn't real hip on Roden's post about having to force conversation, but

I don't see much reason to scum read him

and I think he came out townie at EOD2.

Redtea I thought might be scum, but I don't think scum loses track of the votes on Gamma Emerald.

I need to figure out where that leaves my POE.

I think the only way we figure this out is if we run some people up, and that's one of the reasons I voted A50.

2. Yeah I think I saw it too.
3. I always thought that was just a joke tbf.
4. Agreed with bolded. Also I think I might be able to clear him for top-posting, since although he did post a lot as scum in my recent Newbie game, he was 5th overall.
5. You don't think they could've just lied about that?
7. Yeah, I'm feeling like this might be one of those situations where we need to yeet a low-content slot in order to prepare for Elo.
Starting with:
VOTE: NotMafia

I'm actually very surprised that he has managed to last this long without being scrutinised despite having so little content.

It's really is weird that he's gone this far with so little attention, plus the weird play of actually trying to push out Q instead of going for the quick hammer. He's playing to elim whoever he can and seeing how long he can get away it.

VOTE: NotMafia

I want you to justify 807

[Taly]

i sleepy

RH9

, why does 885 cross your mind when you're confident

Egix

is scum?

[Taly]

I've yet to feel compelled to vote, but I don't think passivity works this late in the day phase.

My mind goes toward players that were on both mislim wagons but that is a bit void in regard to reading

RH9

. Aside from

Galron

and

A50

pointing out inconsistencies, the initial impression I have felt solid.

I liked what I've skimmed of

Egix

earlier game for not hopping onto two wagons that got close to a lim. They don't feel opportunistic because their doubt in reads is not followed with any clear push on another slot. I do want to hear about the

NM

vote.

NM

is historically difficult for me to read confidently.

Number

has been honest in more than one instance I'd consider scum to have backtracked or reframed their behavior.

With these reads plus

A50

-town being correct, that's 5 of 6 town with both major wagons on them. Since i don't have strong scumreads, I don't know how solid this is as a solve.

Jury is out with

Roden

, and I'm pending with

Galron

, I don't know if tone is a strong method to read them because it feels consistent across the games I've played with him outside experiences with alts.

I read someone mentioning that

Kyouko

was low info and I wonder how honest the WIM is there.

Kyouko

, what are your reads?

Perhaps others prompting me would get my mind active.

[Taly]

What redeeems RH9 Taly?

I don't think scum waffles multiple times with little thought progression when they're already a popular wagon.

[Taly]

I mean, I can't tell for sure if you are conf!biased or if you see something I can't see. I am leaning Town on Galron but my word isn't gospel on that one (i.e. it's a weak TR that I can't actually bet the game on). I am more sus of Roden tbh.

I also am not impressed by Taly's play so far, so gun-to-my-head I'd say it's Roden, Taly & Kyouko/N_M

If I wanted to impress you I'd throw GIFs of fruit and especially bananas fkcuxhspsoshskssljsnxkdudhd

You seem to have expectations of my play here judging by how you left the question of my alignment open ended before I entered the thread. I don't know where that is coming from.

[Taly]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about it

Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.

All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.

First: I wasn't complaining. I was asking for an explanation, which you seem to have provided in your third paragraph. Maybe you could have typed that one first, but I understand sometimes one feels like letting out some of the mental pressure.

Second: I agree we don't have many leads. However, I still don't know WHY numberQ in particular. Why get the guy to E-1 "just to see what happens"?

Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?

NumberQ just got picked because Kyo pushed a scum read there and I wanted to get people talking. I consider it a good move because it got Q talking quite a bit and gave us more to work with in order to read him. His accusation against me that I coordinated a wagon on him in a PT was so reactionary and paranoid that it basically made him town tell.

I didn't switch my vote yet because honestly I kinda just didn't want to play the past couple days. And everyone else was talking a lot so I wanted to see how it would go.

Why the low WIM?

[Taly]

Both wagons are at L1 and we have 7 hours left.

I'll give

intent to hammer NM

because I want to let others say anything else they'd like for the next 2-3 hours. I stand by my

RH9

townread and I don't know how to read

NM

so this feels to be the strongest choice going into potential elo.

[Taly]

the flopping is endless omfg

[Taly]

the flopping is endless omfg

[Taly]

1 hr 13 min is my time bbies

[Taly]

Roden

, would a hug help your motivation?

[Taly]

*twerks to the sound of BoP alarms going off*

[Taly]

If nobody replies before I hammer I will put my site settings on MafTiger

[Taly]

MafTigers it is!

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Taly]

[Taly]

Spew reads please

[Taly]

im going to tilt if i postponed reading 25 pages of this game only to hammer town holy shit

[Taly]

why not try to defend yourself? was the vote on

RH9

to discourage your lim?

like i dont know why you message your town after-the-fact unless you were given less time than you needed to reply.

p-edit

I think I'm town in this game let me check

Oh no I was scum never mind

im getting trolled lmao

[Taly]

im inclined to think that the

NM

wagon was largely town-led because

RH9

had been voted for a good portion of the phase and L1'd prior to

NM

even going past L-3.

but

egix

, what about

rh9's

992 pacified you?

a50

, can you reply to my prompt about your post prior to my entrance? also,

galron

wasn't in your solve EoD3 so what changed?

my experience with

ssbm_k

is that they are a lot higher output than they are here, so i cant tell if their absence is AI. plus. plus i want her to justify the

RH9

L1 vote because

roden

poked that pre-NK.

766 is informative in the event of scum!egix flip

what would have been informative about that post?

[Taly]

I felt the opposite about the N_M wagon, I think scum could have seen it as a way to get easy town cred off a highly inactive teammate.

then how do you feel about the individual votes and its wagon composition?

a50, can you reply to my prompt about your post prior to my entrance? also, galron wasn't in your solve EoD3 so what changed?

Sorry, but you'd need to quote or link what you're referring to on both occasions for me to be able to respond

*hisses*

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

I mean, I can't tell for sure if you are conf!biased or if you see something I can't see. I am leaning Town on Galron but my word isn't gospel on that one (i.e. it's a weak TR that I can't actually bet the game on). I am more sus of Roden tbh.

I also am not impressed by Taly's play so far, so gun-to-my-head I'd say it's Roden, Taly & Kyouko/N_M

[Taly]

hmmm, would putting me in the hot seat give you a better read?

i dont see a VCA post in your ISO

[Taly]

Then we decide if Taly hammered N_M for credit,

Or we can answer it now because I'm not keen on being an elo-causing or final mislim, I have quite enough experience with that.

RH9

was and is a townread to me

Regardless of how you view my alignment, lolhammering

RH9

would be gamethrowing in my perspective.

So don't shelve me with a weak justification that I could be scum trying to get credit. That just makes it even more difficult to tell how good faith your disposition is towards me.

And

Galron

, if you have two townreads one with hedgey reasoning behind, what are you doing to rectify that?

[Taly]

would blowing up the thread with gifs, songs, and snuggles help?

[Taly]

Being patient.

Wearing thin.

talk to me bb what can 2can do for u?

[Taly]

In fact, maybe it was my own doing. I haven't been paying much attnetion and it went so far that I no longer feel like I have anything to offer.

any slot you want a consensus on?

pedit

It would help with the FUN part, but not the solving part I'm afraid

fun helps solving

[Taly]

Are you sure that Galron isn't getting framed? Honestly I feel like Galron did make a lot of pushes which is more likely done by Mafia looking for a easy push than Town. Would like Galron to respond as soon as possible because it is not looking good for him.

How am I getting framed?

Someone will need to explain that to me.

You were on the opposing wagon. Roden gets killed. Almost50 has me convinced that you're Mafia.

I don't connect how

Galron

being the opposing wagon and

Roden's

death are connected to a narrative he is scum?

I don't know who should be eliminated today. I'm leaning toward Taly, but it may be I just need to re-read redtea and hear more from Taly himself. I know your question was directed at A50, but I think I'm in his PoE, and I think he mentioned that earlier this phase. I've played enough with A50 that he should have something against me, because I'm nowhere near the player he is and I screw things up more often than not, but I don't think he's got a personal bias against me. I think it's just PoE.

I'm serious about wanting people to hit me up with questions or even assertions, shelving me only demotivates my WIM.

If you want to hear more from me, you should be specific.

I'm talking to myself.

Who do you think is most likely scum that nobody is speaking about?

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

Almost50, your push on Galron has absolutely nothing to do with Galron voting you previously, right? Rereading everything at Galron's behest makes me wonder if your vote on Galron has something to do with Galron himself.

No it doesn't. It has to do with my belief his actions and justifications were less than optimum. I don't want to effort much, so take this one off the top of my head:
numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron

Why put numberQ @E-1 here if he wasn't committed to a SR on them? I rememeber him jumping on you too after that. And the last straw was him being on you instead of N_M.

I mean, from VCA alone I could go Taly or ssbm.

You know what?

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

She looks as bad as Galron on that VCA. Then we decide if Taly hammered N_M for credit, Egix was an early bus, or Galron tried to save his p.

Not feeling so interested in replying to 999?

[Taly]

Perhaps votes will change the temperature in here

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

[Taly]

galron

clocked the shit out of me holy shit

i literally thought my PM from

t3

was either

"you're replaced"

or

"night has begun"

with

ssbm's

flip

and it was me getting the piss knocked out of me omg

[Taly]

it is damn near impossible for me to fake my town vibe

i have so many honesty tells

[Taly]

what gave me away

galron

?