Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:49 am

In post 2671, Enchant wrote:No, i believed Gamma is town.

When did that change then and why?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:04 am

In post 2673, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Enchant

Thought you wanted to vote me? This is a weird pivot

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:48 am

In post 2691, Dwlee99 wrote:That's why I voted you at first cause there's support on you but I think F&G is scum regardless of Baltar's alignment. And if I'm right there I think we win by flipping you and Baltar

This seems like a very incoherent theory. You think pooky and I would literally fight for like 5 hours straight? That seems like overkill to bus don't you think?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:49 am

In post 2696, Andante wrote:I feel like if he were town he'd be like "I appreciate andante reconsidering, I want to hear more" not a flat out, I'm scum trying to pocket him or whatever, like, I don't pocket people angering me in real life...

Pooky is angering you? I'm saying there is a possibility you're pocketing F&G.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:50 am

In post 2700, Andante wrote:VOTE: dwlee

I'm more confident on this at the moment, there is no freaking way dwlee is town

This flip reads townie to me. Was about to question why you're voting me when a dwlee vote would make more sense there given what you stated.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:52 am

In post 2704, Andante wrote:
In post 2677, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't like enchant on last page
how the heck would pooky be angering me? VP, you're like fighting me on every little thing I say. it's obviously you

Huh? What am I fighting you on? Like, you're getting mad at me because I don't have a town read on you and I don't like your AtEs.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:53 am

In post 2706, Dwlee99 wrote:There's little point in bussing if you're not getting a lot of town cred out of it and Pooky knows that. I know they're at least half full of shit with "VP and Dwlee open wolfing lol" so Pooky is going for at least one mislim here

I mean, pooky says dumbshit all the time. Doesn't make him scum.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:55 am

In post 2709, Andante wrote:I'm not pocketing F&G. they're town, and I will defend. The amount of effort they've put into this?? like when we were talking and they were like "I've been saying this for 2 weeks" or whatever, they have to be so annoyed with half yall, there are so many moments of genuine towniness. Then you have dwlee, who is doing NOTHING. go "It's enchant and pooky. yep. gg gottem" like, did you read anything this game? the "I just replaced in" excuse no longer works, and I don't feel like they've read anything

I actually agree with you about dwlee's theory being trash. I can say for a fact I'm not in a fake fight with pooky, and it seems objectively silly to say that if you read it.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:56 am

*VP stares directly into camera while sitting on a couch in the madhouse

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:58 am

In post 2714, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky pissing me off is a hard scum tell, it's really that simple

Doesn't pooky try to piss off people though? That's like his whole schtick

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:07 am

In post 2767, Dwlee99 wrote:Jesus fucking christ

Welcome to my world.

I will say, dwlee clowning Pooky and then him just saying "this convo is stupid, bye" is kind of funny.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:14 am

Andante, why are you sold on FG as town? There is a world where FG is actually the one pocketing you and spouting dumbshit. For example, FG was wrong on Gamma, FG is wrong about me. They are either playing a bad game or are scum here.

I think dwlee's criticism here, which I agree with, is that you seem very eager to join bad wagons without much consideration of why you're joining them.

You keep telling me that you want me to be more open to you. This is that. Let's have a thoughtful conversation about the actual state of the game instead of just wagoning whatever comes around.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:15 am

And before you say I'm not town, let's just walk through the hypothetical exercise. Let's say we flip me today and you see I'm green. What are your thoughts on FG at that point?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:03 am

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VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:05 am

Where is toog?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:12 am

In post 2788, Bingle wrote:
In post 2785, VP Baltar wrote:Live from smooth brain central! The great scumfuckery ball continues after these messages from our sponsors!
Dude, too far. This is a game, keep it at least some degree of friendly.

Term of endearment of course. I count myself the smoothest of brains because I have no solid clue what is going on. Either scum are lurking and letting town fight, or they are actively muddling the waters with bullshit. It's completely confounding.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:29 am

In post 2790, Fun and Games wrote:why do you trust toogeloo's read on enchant?

The way ico flipped back and forth on toog looks extremely unlikely for buddies. It is the strongest negative associates I see in the game, therefore, toog is the most likely to be town in this mess.

Toog is making the argument that we are all overthinking this, and actually enchants scummy hammers are just scummy. It's a valid point, and one I've seen be true.

Why is enchant so obv town for you? He's certainly aloof, but actions to matter, for me anyhow

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:31 am

In post 2793, Bingle wrote:Right, so possibilities.

VP/Dwlee Team
FG/Andante Team
S/S theater, in which case it's probably Dwlee/Andante which just kinda seems bleh
Scum waiting in the wings
Scum is in one of the four and also waiting in the wings

Can each of the four of you make a single teal deer post on the case on the opposite pair so I can try to make sense of whether anyone is intentionally misrepping/blowing things out of proportion?

I don't think any of those make sense necessarily as the team? FG/Andante seems like they are playing very boldly for having two days left.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:43 am

In post 2797, Bingle wrote:I assume you mean any of the first three, considering the 5 collectively cover literally every possible scumteam in the lobby.

Yes, I'm mostly only talking about the actual pairs you name.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:45 am

As far as what I think is most likely is probably one lurker scum and one who is more active. I have a hard time believing today has just been a complete town madness thread. There is too much confusion happening for me to find it completely organic

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:47 am

In post 2805, Andante wrote:also, I'm not quite sure I'd call what I'm doing with VP pushing lmao

What would you call it?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:03 am

In post 2815, Bingle wrote:
In post 2793, Bingle wrote:Scum is in one of the four and also waiting in the wings
So VP thinks this. Which of the 4 do you think is scum?

Of the waiting in the wings crowd? Probably dwlee or enchant, but I think dwlee has actually looked decent in their exchanges today.

I also have a hard time seeing any of the actives being non-associated with enchant, so that also ups his likelihood ever so slightly.

There's an outside possibility you're coasting scum here, but I'm reserving judgment because you say you're going to catch up now and maybe actually help here.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:04 am

Oh maybe that wasn't directed at me.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:28 am

In post 2819, Bingle wrote:
In post 2817, VP Baltar wrote:Of the waiting in the wings crowd? Probably dwlee or enchant, but I think dwlee has actually looked decent in their exchanges today.

I also have a hard time seeing any of the actives being non-associated with enchant, so that also ups his likelihood ever so slightly.

There's an outside possibility you're coasting scum here, but I'm reserving judgment because you say you're going to catch up now and maybe actually help here.
Was directed at you, actually, but the 4 was You/Andante/Pookydra/Dwlee. It was meant as the four people I see as getting the most attention.

Ah OK.

I don't know if I have a clear answer for myself on that. I think pooky's showing in that square off with dwlee was actually pretty bad, but I'm not certain I can trust dwlee either since they have only today really started to engage with people. Obviously, I also think pooky had poor engagement with Gamma and myself. In my case, I can definitely say he was misrepresenting posts intentionally. I still don't have an answer in 100% confidence if he was doing that as town or scum. I was leaning town, but he did the same thing with dwlee in the mathblade exchange and then tried to skulk away when dwlee called him on it.

Andante is extremely opportunistic in her reads and seems to respond to every questioning of her motivations as a scum attack....which is pretty NAI, and reads more like a personality trait to me.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:42 am

In post 2822, Bingle wrote:What was your theory coming into the day, VP?

My theory was that there was a deep wolf scum probably who was very happy with the shit show of D2. I was primarily interested in getting a better read on you and F/G today, because I felt like sorting there was going to help me figure out an overall worldview that fits with Gamma flipping town. I also came in thinking toog and SA were most likely town. Alot of ambiguity though because I felt good on Gamma post the Darby flip.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:45 am

In post 2826, Bingle wrote:VP is very actively poking people for takes, but doesn't have a lot of his own

I would say this is intentional. Not that I don't have takes (in fact, I have posted my overall assessment of the player list and my reasoning), but that I am poking people for their views because there have been too many people talking much less than me. I want to find who I can trust and no trust because that's how I personally think towns win. Strong alliances that have been stress tested. Still haven't found that today and that is part of what's making this harder.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:04 am

In post 2831, Bingle wrote:
In post 2829, VP Baltar wrote:because there have been too many people talking much less than me.
Who do you specifically think fits this paradigm? I'd agree I do specifically today, but I don't think "Skitter/Pooky haven't posted enough" is a rational take and a lot of your pushing for content seems aimed there.

Pooky had absolutely gone quiet. Skitter was around. You'll notice that is specifically why I was targeting pooky. If they were going to post with split personalities, I wanted to get a feel for both of them

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:18 am

In post 2843, Bingle wrote:I don't see you poking Toog/Enchant/Dwlee

I've asked questions to all of these people today I believe. We are finally coming down off the pooky shit posting. Only so much time and focus I can give at any moment of the game.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:21 am

In post 2843, Bingle wrote:Pooky SA and I all had pretty decent chunks of content and I think it's weird that you'd focus on trying to draw attention to people who had been active but slacked off over people who weren't posting at all. Do you have a reason for that?

I don't think I've interacted with SA at all really today, mostly because I'm not that worried about him.

As to your question, the reason I'm looking at people who were active but then slacked off is that the game state has shifted from not going well for scum to going reasonably well for scum. I'm looking for people who are complacent and happy with the game state. I'm certainly not.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:23 am

In post 2845, Andante wrote:The more attempts VP makes to try and start something, the more I genuinely don't care what he flips, I don't think I buy a dwlee and vp team, but I also don't tr dwlee at all, I think I tr the wrong stuff about VP, I think I just tr something about his playstyle, the constant attention for picking fights is getting so old so fast, I don't want 10 days of this VP.

Do you feel like I'm picking fights with you or personally attacking you? Like what are you saying here? I should be policied because you personally don't like my playstyle?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:25 am

In post 2845, Andante wrote:VP is trying to be the most harmful to town,

I'm so confused. How am I being harmful to town?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 am

In post 2855, Bingle wrote:tryhard Bingle

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VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:25 am

In post 2860, Bingle wrote:How familiar are you with pooky as both alignments?

Moderate. That's what is hard. This is how he is in my experiences. Dude loves a tunnel and shit talking. What's your familiarity and viewpoint on his playstyle?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:30 pm

In post 2864, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2644, VP Baltar wrote:Fun and Games - null to townish. Still think Pooky is making very opportunistic points and bad faith arguments, but he's sort of being the same asshat he was in Hidden Temple. I still don't like him lurking until I called him out and voted, but after much prying, I find the explanation believable enough.
hi what do u think of my head

~ skitter

You come across more townish to me than pooky, which is helping the overall read of your slot be more lean town.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:31 pm

In post 2866, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2644, VP Baltar wrote:Dwlee99 - very hard to read since Not Mafia posted like himself, and Dwlee is low efforting as well. Null to scumish.
how would u feel abt wagoning dwlee?

~ skitter

I could be down, but can you tell me the bullet points of why?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:36 pm

In post 2872, Fun and Games wrote:- never ended up on the ico wagon
- tried to divert multiple times away from the ico wagon (made a dunn push, made a sa push that he's now negating the importance of, shaded a50 for moving wagon momentum from gamma to darby)
- his initial push on us this phase was gross, and was basically shade without explaining why any of what he was actually calling us out for was scum indicative
- now he's trying to largely shade/ignore pooky's points

- I was on Darby briefly D1, but true that I wasn't on there EOD.

- I've responded to all these at length and why I think they are weak points within the context of the day. I'd rather not keep going over this if your slot isn't going to acknowledge or consider the responses given.

- that's like, your opinion

- what points? Pooky failed to say anything new throughout our fight, often requoting the same posts and then acting like he was making a new point. I've fully responded to every point of substance he made, to which he failed to address my rebuttals and simply restated the same points. Please point me specifically to things you want me to respond to that I have not already.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

In post 2897, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2477, VP Baltar wrote:If you're town, that seems like an understandable analysis. I know it's incorrect, but I guess I can see where you'd be suspicious. Still think you could have answered my question at the start of the day instead of ghosting me or being obtuse about it.

In response to the point you're making, I don't think it'd be a wise play for me as scum there to make a stink about A50 ditching, especially since he is semi-erratic as a player. Seems like a play that is unlikely to get him to flip back to Gamma and the safer play would have been to just shut up or join the flop to a bus in a VP!scum world.
for me i'ts calling out a50 + trying to herd people back to the gamma wagon (1979, for example)
yes, it's possible that you just had a bad read, but since darby was scum and you were trying to push the cw, it looks p suspicious to me

i don't really care so much abt the chainsaw-ing bit, and i'm not sure i give that super much weight

~ skitter

Sure, I can totally see why that point was made and I'm not even mad.

However, like I've already stated, it's a pretty silly accusation when 1)I am a decent player as scum and would rarely be so obvious 2) there would have been little material value for me to try hard to save Darby at E-1. (Sorry darby) he was not some strong player I would have felt attached to, and I haven't been afraid to bus as scum historically when necessary.

Obviously, I can understand if your position is still VP!scum, but I think it'd be a pretty big fuck up play by me there and it's assuming pretty low level play on my part.

Also, why would I want kills of datisi (who was fairly friendly with me EOD1,) and A50...the very person you are saying I tried to coax into a miselim? If it was the conscious effort pooky is accusing, killing him right after the gamma kill wouldn't make a lot of sense.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:30 pm

In post 2924, Fun and Games wrote:@vp baltar

do you have a reason to townread dwlee?

You misrepping him the same you misrepped me is a possibility.

I'm still waiting for those bullet points i asked for on dwlee scum if you want me to vote there.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:32 pm

In post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- how do you generally feel about bussing?

Do what's necessary to win. If bussing is the right play, I have zero remorse about it. Often a good bus on D1 is a path to a much easier late game as scum

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:34 pm

In post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?

I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:36 pm

In post 2929, Fun and Games wrote:is my treatment of dwlee the only thing in your read of them?

Dwlee and NM had very little content before today.

Again, what are you reading them on? What are you reading them on outside of today and their enchant vote?

Tell me the case. I'm genuinely listening.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:37 pm

In post 2933, Fun and Games wrote:i am asking you if you have a good reason to TOWNREAD THEM

I never stated I have a townread on them.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:41 pm

In post 2937, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I AM ASKING YOU A SIMPLE FUCKING YES OR NO QUESTION YOU SLIMEBALL

Lol well if I stated my read on the slot is null to possible scum, you do the fucking math.

Can you state your bullet case now or you going to keep yelling about townreads?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:45 pm

In post 2943, Andante wrote:Just like the ammount of effort VP is actually putting into this, makes me feel like VP could be town as well

Look, my greatest fear here is like an enchant-SA or Bingle team here and they are laughing their butts off at today.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:49 pm

In post 2949, Fun and Games wrote:ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me

~ skitter

Can you just tell me why I should vote him?

From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?

I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:50 pm

In post 2951, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2931, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?
I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.
i don't think these 2 thinsg are related to each other at all, the fact that you pushed a50 doesn't preclude yuou from killing him ...?

~ skitter

As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:52 pm

What'd the vote count even at?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:53 pm

Andante, what is your read of bingle again?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:59 pm

In post 2960, Bingle wrote:I could stand to hear from toog

I'm just assuming replacement at this point......

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:02 pm

EBWOP

In post 2954, VP Baltar wrote:Can you just tell me why I should vote them?

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:04 pm

In post 2966, Bingle wrote:
In post 2957, VP Baltar wrote:What'd the vote count even at?
I don’t think anyone has been voting for a while.

Think a few things moved. Mostly interested where it is om dwlee

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 2971, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2955, VP Baltar wrote:As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.
Can u explain this again, i'm not following?

~ skitter

Pookys argument is the that the a50 event was a crucial play by me where i was trying to hammer home a Gamma misyeet.

I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 pm

In post 2969, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2954, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2949, Fun and Games wrote:ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me

~ skitter
Can you just tell me why I should vote him?

From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?

I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.
They're the only person i feel like i yave no reason to townread, and their scumread on us is laughably bad, and given that you're not townreading them either i'm not sure ehy you're reluctant

~ skitter

VOTE: dwlee

There ya go.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:20 pm

In post 2979, Bingle wrote:
In post 2976, VP Baltar wrote:I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.
Do you think anyone doubted A50 town post D1?

Feeling he is town and KNOWING he is town are different, and you know that

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:21 pm

In post 2980, Andante wrote:Question for yall cause you read the game, was Dwlee pushing F&G as scum? is that what started the pages of whatnot?

Dwlee said FG & I were scum busing each other and then voted enchant.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:24 pm

I'd suggest letting him claim before putting him to e-1 given hammer boy is lurking somewhere

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm

Surprise wagonsbare the best wagons

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm

*wagons are

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:42 pm

Idk, the dunn-Ico stuff didn't read fake fake to me since Ico was very ready to push in that direction. I could be wrong of course, but read like Ico was eager to back me whenever I brought Dunn up.

VP Baltar · Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:43 pm

If enchant us already on there, then I got no problem with andante putting her vote there

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:31 am

In post 3037, Andante wrote:oops hit submit...

"Enchant feels obvious" what? cause enchant is your partner and you know enchant is scum? cause I guarantee you, Toogeloo is not looking at this game from a town pov, like as scum, I'll feel like my partners are way more obvious than they are, which is I think what's happening with Toog

So you think the solve is toog/enchant?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:33 am

mod, can you prod toog if they don't post in the next hour or so

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:37 am

Bingle - can I get an updated reads list from you now that you are somewhat caught up?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:24 am

In post 3051, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2976, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2971, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2955, VP Baltar wrote:As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.
Can u explain this again, i'm not following?

~ skitter
Pookys argument is the that the a50 event was a crucial play by me where i was trying to hammer home a Gamma misyeet.

I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.
i guess in my mind, while the blowback on a50 isn't great if you're scum, it isn't really a factor i would take as scum when decidding to kill him, if that makes sense
and who else was scum-you going to kill anyways?

~ skitter

Haven't thought about it since I'm not in the position to consider. But Bingle has some fairly universal good will. It's not that I don't think a50 would have been considered, but what I'm saying is that it is half as crucial as pooky is claiming, it would be a reason for me to not want that.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:26 am

In post 3055, Fun and Games wrote:andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter

You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:36 am

In post 3059, Andante wrote:
In post 3058, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3055, Fun and Games wrote:andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter
You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?
You seem to want to challenge everything F&G say? Have you not seen me be "confident" in a million different things the past 24 hours??

I'm challenging them because they take every opportunity possible to nudge toward me despite having a fairly weak argument. I KNOW it is a misyeet they are angling for when it comes to me, and there is no way in hell I'm letting them do that easily. If I die, so be it, but I want their bullshit all on record for later so pooky can't go "oops lol" and try to blame it on me.

So yep, I will continue to challenge everything they say in regards to trying to yeet me today.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:38 am

In post 3062, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3058, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3055, Fun and Games wrote:andante you change your mind a lot lol
i think dueling vp and dwlee wagons would be great

~ skitter
You seem very concerned with enchant not getting run up. Why's that?
i don't think that that 'very concerned' matches the vibe of that post or really my entire trajectory today

~ skitter

When enchant came up seriously as a wagon was when yall started badgering me incessantly to vote dwlee. When andante votes there, you pop up trying to nudge her away from her vote. So yeah, you seem to have an interest

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:25 am

In post 3082, Fun and Games wrote:i mean at least for me it wasn't in response to your enchant vote, but rather your vote on us ...
and yeah if it wasn't clear i am explcilty saying i think you're scum

~ skitter

Do you OMGUS a lot, or is your natural inclination to assume someone attacking you is scum?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:59 am

In post 3086, Fun and Games wrote:- p sure dwlee's vote on us was a reaction to pooky calling them scum
- why do u reaf everything wr do in the worst possible light
- to actually answer the question: no

Eh fine. You're right, I'm not being very generous.

Feel like your slot has made several bad faith arguments, and that's put things in a bad light for me.

Let me rephrase this, do you see dwlee as independently scummy or scummy because you think he is my buddy?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:23 am

I would prefer enchant personally. He's independently scummy, and could hypothetically be partners with a number of people.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:53 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: enchant

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:55 am

Toog, what's your solve?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:14 pm

In post 3108, Bingle wrote:
In post 3043, VP Baltar wrote:Bingle - can I get an updated reads list from you now that you are somewhat caught up?
In a little bit, sure.

If you want a team analysis, I'm gonna need a lot of yarn though.

I'll take a list of everyone and your read/short why. Something similar to my own post is totally fine.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:16 pm

We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:21 pm

In post 3127, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3118, Andante wrote:Enchant just claimed goon???
i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter

So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:33 pm

In post 3131, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3126, VP Baltar wrote:We should end this day at this point, unless SA has more to say. Think everyone has said their piece.

I think the the solve is 80% likely to be Enchant-Bingle, and have kind of been starting to feel this more as Andante town-spewed all over this thread with insane theories. It's also why I asked Bingle to give reads just to confirm if he was going to express original thought, which he did not do. Apologies to Anandte/F&G for the brawling today, but it was a necessary evil to get to a point of clarity. Feel free to flip me today if that's the consensus, but when you see green, please follow through on Enchant-Bingle and win this game or I will yell at all of you in the dead thread.
can u give me the tldr on this solve, and also explain why you're not considering dwlee?

~ skitter

Enchant has been explained.

As far as bingle, I think he hasn't provided much if any original analysis since D1. I think the Datisi and A50 kills both make sense from a Bingle scum perspective as well, especially when he cleared a50 with a town tell. Killing him gives Bingle town cred by proxy. He then proceeded to sheep you.

Overall, bingle is very nice and placid all game, making zero waves and being very friendly with all. The one focused push he made in the game was gamma....and that’s about it that I can remember.

To your question about dwlee, it could be. I am not certain I'm right about Enchant, but the hammers are what they are. Both benefited scum, and Enchant hasn't exactly proven himself otherwise. If you are set on it being dwlee and me, I'd rather you flip me first so you can get out of this worldview you are in and see what I'm saying.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:35 pm

In post 3132, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3129, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3127, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3118, Andante wrote:Enchant just claimed goon???
i mean this isn't real, and why does he do this as scum anyways?

~ skitter
So you give him a pass as too scummy to be scum.
i mean i guess if you want to say it that way, sure
i don't think scum plays this game this way

~ skitter

I disagree. If I was scum with enchants voting record, I'd be acting TSTBS as well. You can't win that fight on logical analysis, so have to sway through other approaches.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:40 pm

In post 3136, Andante wrote:I'm kinda interested in VP not even caring about my vote on him anymore, like, just ignoring me and only focussed on F&G

I don't want to add any more fights to the thread. You said I'm pissing you off when I try to talk to you, so that's fine. I don't want to do that just to do it, and I feel pretty good about you being town now.

I was jabbing you earlier so I could assess you in an fighting state. We are past that now. If you want to lim me, so be it.

Just listen to what I've said tomorrow.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:54 pm

Look, don't feel bad about flipping me if that's what's needed. I'm not gonna take it personally. We do need to move the game forward at this point.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:02 pm

In post 3139, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I skimmed today's stuff. I'd like to actually catch up but we have a scum claim so there's no sense waiting on me. I'm ready to vote there if everyone else is satisfied ending the day.

You should catch up if you need to. I think you're the only person who hasn't had a full opportunity today.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:08 pm

In post 3144, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Unless I stay up late and do it at like 3am. Which is a legitimate possibility

Lol that's more commitment than is probably necessary. We have time.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:21 pm

In post 3151, Bingle wrote:I'm pretty okay with voting any of enchant/VP/Dwlee. Your pick, skitter.

Why do you need skitter to tell you who to vote?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:24 pm

In post 3150, Bingle wrote:Why do the Dats/A50 kills point to me over literally anyone, when they were the two people most likely to support me and "They were obvtown." is a much more likely explanation?

Dats was probably a legit short term threat, and a50's flip gives you town cred, as I stated.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:32 pm

In post 3161, Bingle wrote:
In post 3155, VP Baltar wrote:Why do you need skitter to tell you who to vote?
I dunno, why would I take into account the opinions of my townreads?

Seems pretty weak to not just vote what you think is right and take responsibility for it, rather than. Make it FG's decision.

I'm at the bottom of your list, so you should vote if that's what you think.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:35 pm

Lol how do any of those posts make it look like dats town read you? Assuming scum you, you knew the case on Gamma was wrong. The last post was clearly sarcasm.

Pedit - in reply to bingle

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:38 pm

In post 3167, Fun and Games wrote:VP Baltar, didn't you literally just vote for Enchant a few days ago and say it was "because you trusted Toogeloo"

I was already suspicious of the hammers before that. At that point, I felt toog was least likely to be scum based on negative associatives with Ico. Upon rereading toog's iso, he made a good point of "trust the evidence, the rest is bullshit", which is what I was saying about following toog.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:44 pm

K, vote me then.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:49 pm

I'm telling bingle to put his vote where his mouth is if he thinks I'm scum, not that I have a death wish. Asking skitter for approval is shirking responsibility for his vote.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:05 pm

In post 3182, Bingle wrote:
In post 3180, Andante wrote:me trying to read/make any sense of this thread right now... I'm at a huge level of uncertainty with my thoughts, doubting my reading ability, I know I will usually have the right reads at 1 point, but then end on wrong reads, aghhh it literally feels like I'm drunk, as I try to thing about what makes sense, and I'm not even drunk right now!!! ughhh I'm trying... I wanna be helpful.. everyone going "vote me" "I'm maf" and selfvoting.. like, none of that helps
The bit I'm interested in is why VP is pushing me specifically to vote him instead of looking to confirm if I'm willing to bus my supposed partner.

I'm interested in making it 1v1 with me and enchant. There's no way I'm going to get you run up today, and I feel pretty good about my solve. So let's make it interesting by forcing people to either vote me or enchant. You putting it on FG a) let's you play the hapless follower tomorrow if the flip is green, and b) gives you some way out of voting enchant because it is unlikely FG wants to vote there.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:06 pm

In post 3186, Andante wrote:why not trust skitter?

They were wrong about Gamma and are wrong about me. Seems good enough reason for someone to make their own analysis of the game.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:10 pm

In post 3196, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante you should also try to read my posts

VP do you know why I scumread FG

Man, you can answer for yourself.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:12 pm

In post 3197, Andante wrote:
In post 3194, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3186, Andante wrote:why not trust skitter?
They were wrong about Gamma and are wrong about me. Seems good enough reason for someone to make their own analysis of the game.
I think I had way more passion behind the gamma flip though? So I'd be wrong about Gamma. Town is allowed to have wrong reads

I don't think I agree about passion, but my point is that everyone on the gamma wagon was wrong (me too!), so no one should have blind trust in anyone. We should all read the thread, come to our own conclusions, and vote what we think is the right play.

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:29 pm

Just vote me or enchant. This is ridiculous to have another draw out 10 pages of FG & dwlee saying the same things they already said.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:43 am

@enchant - I was thinking this morning about your hammer on Gamma and how you said you felt bad about that but were so sure because he self voted. Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:55 am

Also, dwlee, why did you ask me to respond to F&G about why you think they're scum?

Also also, do you think I'm incorrect for townreading them at this point?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:00 am

In post 3251, Enchant wrote:idk

Was angry on myself.

Angry at yourself about what?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:22 am

In post 3192, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3182, Bingle wrote:
In post 3180, Andante wrote:me trying to read/make any sense of this thread right now... I'm at a huge level of uncertainty with my thoughts, doubting my reading ability, I know I will usually have the right reads at 1 point, but then end on wrong reads, aghhh it literally feels like I'm drunk, as I try to thing about what makes sense, and I'm not even drunk right now!!! ughhh I'm trying... I wanna be helpful.. everyone going "vote me" "I'm maf" and selfvoting.. like, none of that helps
Asked and already answered bingle
The bit I'm interested in is why VP is pushing me specifically to vote him instead of looking to confirm if I'm willing to bus my supposed partner.
I'm interested in making it 1v1 with me and enchant. There's no way I'm going to get you run up today, and I feel pretty good about my solve. So let's make it interesting by forcing people to either vote me or enchant. You putting it on FG a) let's you play the hapless follower tomorrow if the flip is green, and b) gives you some way out of voting enchant because it is unlikely FG wants to vote there.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:22 am

Oh nice job phone posting, VP

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:23 am

EBWOP

In post 3259, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3192, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3182, Bingle wrote:
In post 3180, Andante wrote:me trying to read/make any sense of this thread right now... I'm at a huge level of uncertainty with my thoughts, doubting my reading ability, I know I will usually have the right reads at 1 point, but then end on wrong reads, aghhh it literally feels like I'm drunk, as I try to thing about what makes sense, and I'm not even drunk right now!!! ughhh I'm trying... I wanna be helpful.. everyone going "vote me" "I'm maf" and selfvoting.. like, none of that helps
The bit I'm interested in is why VP is pushing me specifically to vote him instead of looking to confirm if I'm willing to bus my supposed partner.
I'm interested in making it 1v1 with me and enchant. There's no way I'm going to get you run up today, and I feel pretty good about my solve. So let's make it interesting by forcing people to either vote me or enchant. You putting it on FG a) let's you play the hapless follower tomorrow if the flip is green, and b) gives you some way out of voting enchant because it is unlikely FG wants to vote there.
Asked and already answered bingle

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:03 am

What's up here

In post 3243, Something_Smart wrote:
VC 3.3

Dwlee99 (1)- Enchant
Fun and Games (1)- Dwlee99

Not voting (1)- Andante

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:29 am

Lemme start cooking this popcorn.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:05 am

In post 3266, Fun and Games wrote:I feel reasonably confident that enchant is a misflip, ehy is he your top choice?

How much of your belief in this is contingent on you believing I'm scum?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:07 am

In post 3273, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3249, VP Baltar wrote:Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?
No, its not, and its some sort of fallacy to suggest it is

~ skitter

You are incorrect.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:19 am

In post 3277, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3274, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3273, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3249, VP Baltar wrote:Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?
No, its not, and its some sort of fallacy to suggest it is

~ skitter
You are incorrect.
How is claiming scum the same thing as self voting

~ skitter

Both are highly detrimental plays to town as a whole, and flail moves in general.

For Enchant to SEE and EXPERIENCE the negative consequences of such actions by town through Gamma, and then to turn around and take similar action is grounds for suspicion.

You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:30 am

In post 3288, Fun and Games wrote:why even mimic gamma as scum when *gamma got voted out* for it, that seems like a playbook of things to *avoid* doing

I disagree. It's risky, but there is a non-zero chance town is gun-shy after the gamma misyeet and is reluctant to flip someone engaging in openly scummy behavior.

I get where you are coming from that people can get frustrated and make stupid plays as town. Totally true. But what concerns me here is Enchant seeing that directly and the negative effects, then doing something similar. It's a good play of reverse psychology as scum. I think you should consider that.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:45 am

In post 3313, Enchant wrote:town evidence on me.

What's the town evidence on you?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 am

In post 3322, Enchant wrote:Like really, there's almost zero mafia motivation in all my moves.

Unless i am superbusseridiot.

You were the last vote? That's a supremely weak bus

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:56 am

In post 3321, Enchant wrote:
In post 3314, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3313, Enchant wrote:town evidence on me.
What's the town evidence on you?
"Prove you are town"

MY ROLE IS GREEN

I'm not saying prove you are town. You stated I'm only looking at things that put you in a bad light. I'm asking you what I should be looking at that puts you in a good light

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:58 am

In post 3328, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3284, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3282, VP Baltar wrote:You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.
Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter
Lol OK. Sorry for stating clearly the exact thing you were saying without leaving mealy mouthed caveats in there.
Right here dwlee, right here

~ skitter

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:01 am

In post 3342, Fun and Games wrote:dwlee and vpb strategy is just spam so much nonsense until town stops reading and just let them mis elim enchant

Actually LOLed

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:04 am

In post 3344, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3340, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3328, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3284, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3282, VP Baltar wrote:You're being ridiculous to say scum would never take a flail maneuver to shake heat they are getting for their play.
Hi just gonna point out that this yet again anothet thing i didnt say

~ skitter
Lol OK. Sorry for stating clearly the exact thing you were saying without leaving mealy mouthed caveats in there.
Right here dwlee, right here

~ skitter
You're putting words in my mouth, but ok
I did not write my post as an absolute, and you threw it back at me as if i made a broad statement abt soemthing scum would always or never do, and are trying to defend that point, which is significantly easier

~ skitter

I'm saying if you're going to argue enchant is town based on it, then do it. Don't give me this 'he's town, but don't hold me to that because it's not an absolute!'

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:06 am

Anyhow, this is a pointless argument.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:25 am

Everyone just vote me or enchant and let's wrap this day.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:39 pm

In post 3359, Andante wrote:nah enchant is town

Let's say it is two town run up today. Who is scum? I just have a hard time seeing why there'd be a hard split today if we are both town. Wouldn't scum be happy with either outcome if that were true?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:39 pm

In post 3362, Fun and Games wrote:I am willing to vote for Enchant on the condition that if he flips green the rest of the town kill Vp Baltar and Dwlee as next 2 elims.

If he flips red idgaf what happens

If enchant flips green, I will give you my vote for dwlee.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:34 pm

In post 3367, Dwlee99 wrote:As a partial reset: is anyone willing to vote SA here? I think if F&G is town, then enchant could be town, and then I think SA's push on them for the scum claim is extremely shallow

Who is an SA buddy?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:50 pm

In post 3369, Dwlee99 wrote:I didn't think that far ahead

Are you scum for real?

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:14 pm

In post 3371, Dwlee99 wrote:Do you like, do deep associative analysis on every scumlean you have?

No, but at this point, there are a number of people who are UNLIKELY to be scum together. Any yeet I'm doing today has to make sense for an actual logical solve

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:25 pm

Enchant is probably not with SA. I think objectively it would also be unlikely for me to be with SA given D1. Bingle, as you stated.

VP Baltar · Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:00 pm

Toog and yourself would technically still be on the table. Andante as well.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:36 am

In post 3386, Andante wrote:
In post 3380, VP Baltar wrote:Toog and yourself would technically still be on the table. Andante as well.
Ooooh I’m still on the table? nice. you know, the fact you don’t TR me actually makes me ok voting you, and Dwlee had a line I SR recently, so I may be late to the game, but I can definitely see a VP/Dwlee team

Lol, I knew you were going to react to this.

I am not calling you scum. I've stated I think you are town. I'm saying in a hypothetical world of SA!scum (which I also don't believe) and mostly from dwlee's perspective.

You have really got to eventually get past this hard negative reaction you have to seeing your name even written down.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:41 am

In post 3381, Dwlee99 wrote:Not me, I townread toog/andante

So then from your perspective, SA!scum would have a narrow set of pairings.

I'm not sure I can buy an SA-FG team here, so that's gonna be a harder sell for me personally.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:06 am

In post 3390, Enchant wrote:VP Baltar who are you think are my partner?

As I stated, I think Bingle is a legitimate possibility. His IIoA posting and general slacking off post D1 is pretty concerning to me. He also may have been trying to subtlety push the wagon away from you by letting F&G decide.

That being said, there are few people in the game who COULDN'T be your partner since you kind of disappear for big chunks of the game.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:47 am

You going to vote for me enchant?

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:43 am

In post 3393, Andante wrote:what if the mafia promise to not kill anyone tonight? let us just lim until we get it right

I support this newsletter and/or service.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:19 pm

Enchant, would you lim Bingle today?

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:45 pm

F&G, if we flip dwlee today and he flips green, are you finally going to listen to me tomorrow?

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:58 pm

On enchant and bingle

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:45 pm

In post 3415, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3410, VP Baltar wrote:On enchant and bingle
if dwlee is town i will reconsider
i cannot promise that i will end up here tho

do u teamread them or just suspect both?

~ skitter

I haven't done a full deep dive on them as a team, but it's stuck in my head as making a lot of sense. They each have independently scummy behaviors and do not have negative associatives with each other that I can think of.

Obviously if you're right about dwlee, I'm wrong. But I do know my own alignment and that doesn't make your solve logical to me. Like the main thing you are arguing for your solve is that I wasn't eager to support it by voting dwlee...which obviously doesn't make sense to me.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:49 pm

Andante is almost certainly town. Like, crazy good play if scum.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:04 pm

On my phone, but has bingle really voted me three times today and no one else hahaha

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:06 pm

Anyhow,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dwlee

A sign of good faith to FG and trying to move this damn game forward.

VP Baltar · Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:16 pm

In post 3427, Fun and Games wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this vote is confusing me >.>

~ skitter

Let's do this. We have to pick a direction and I'm willing to assume I could be wrong, because well....I often am!

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:41 am

In post 3429, Fun and Games wrote:I want a vc first (i am lazy >.>) but i'm willing to switch off of u onto them

~ skitter

I find it slightly weird you have not switched votes at this point when I'm trying to compromise with you. You playing me here?

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:56 am

In post 3449, Bingle wrote:Nice shade though.

I still would lim Bingle today.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:59 am

In post 3451, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 3448, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3429, Fun and Games wrote:I want a vc first (i am lazy >.>) but i'm willing to switch off of u onto them

~ skitter
I find it slightly weird you have not switched votes at this point when I'm trying to compromise with you. You playing me here?
I want a vc, i've been on my phone since this last post you quoted and doing vcs for like 10 pages over 2 days on a phone is nontrivial

Thanks for the shade tho
~ skitter

Lol

1) even without a VC, I think it is unlikely dwlee is anywhere near a yeet. Like, whoelse is voting them besides me and andante?

2) asking you to do what you said you wanted isn't shade. Cripes.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:59 am

In post 3452, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I'm starting a 40 hour shift with an 8 hour break tomorrow morning.

Dang, that's an insane work run. Take care of yourself.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:05 am

Dwlee is at E-2.

Enchant, andante, VP.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:08 am

My vote will be going back to enchant soon, fwiw.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:27 am

It literally took me 60 seconds on my phone to scroll from the last vote count to here. It is one thing to say that hours ago. It's another to simply not just do it yourself hours later, especially when they were loudly complaining earlier that I wouldn't vote dwlee.

So as I stated, it's not shade to ask you to do something you say you want.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:45 am

In post 3463, Bingle wrote:I'm more and more happy with my PoE.

You literally just regurgitated F&G's previously stated opinions but ok!

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:46 am

In post 3463, Bingle wrote:Why haven't you selfed because Enchant flipped town? That's a thing you promised, right? That you'd eat the lim if enchant flipped town here?

Enchant....is still alive?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:59 am

In post 3472, Bingle wrote:This game is giving me painful flashbacks to the game where mastina deathtunneled me for being too town to be town and momrangal tunneled me for being too inactive to be town simultaneously. It's been fucking hellish to play, and the fact that I've put as much effort as I have into it is a fucking miracle.

There's something about this that feels way off for me. I don't think anyone is tunneling you or doing much more than pointing out how you, self-admittedly, are playing.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:23 pm

In post 3483, Toogeloo wrote:Bingle scum-slipped, tried to cover it up (messily), and now we'll have to deal with a replacement who doesn't have to explain it.

Wait he did? Can you explain? I'm very dumb at catching those things

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:24 pm

UNVOTE:

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:08 pm

VOTE: dwlee

Not sure I have confidence in this over Enchant, but whatever. Please vote now and someone hammer so we can end this day.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:08 pm

In post 3495, Andante wrote:A replacement for 3500 posts... I'm tempted to just flip that slot

I'm with you, but FG will never go along with it

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:29 am

In post 3508, Dwlee99 wrote:Bingle really E-1'd me and DIPPED

Damn, he did didn't he. F&G, that doesn't seem super town.

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:29 am

Also, hi Looker!

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:30 am

In post 3505, Enchant wrote:Can i ask, why you vote Dwlee instead of me?

I believe Dwlee99 is mafia, why you believe? Like, what made change your mind?

Who is this directed at?

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:59 pm

In post 3514, Looker wrote:Present, sorry for the delay. I will begin reading, but if anyone could give me some bullet points or hot takes it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

D1 - we yeeted Iconeum/DArby scum
D2 - was a speed yeet of GammaEmerald, who flipped town
D3 - we are in purgatory and I'm pretty sure everyone has been accused of being scum teams with everyone else at this point.

The sticking point we seem to have reached is two camps roughly:

Fun & Games thinks the last two scum are me (VP) and dwlee.

The other camp, which includes me and Toog, believes the solve is Enchant and Bingle (you).

Dwlee believes the solve is FG & ?

Andante changes votes on the regular, but is generally following F&G's lead today.

Enchant is barely here except when about to get yeeted and he hammered on bot D1 & D2.

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:59 pm

Think that's the agreed upon facts....

Also, I wrote two camps and then realized we are more divided than that haha

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:06 pm

In post 3520, Toogeloo wrote:The camp thing is probably the best reason to do the No Elim today so that the player the scum opt to kill both eliminates a suspect (since apparently no one is universally town read), and we don't have this impasse requiring 5 votes to eliminate someone. Plus the dead player's reads can be more heavily weighted.

You prefer this over an enchant lim?

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:38 pm

In post 3526, Fun and Games wrote:I'm not convinced its inevitable

Think I agree with toog on this one.

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:53 pm

In post 3528, Andante wrote:Anyone else getting bad vibes from the Bingle replacement?

Do we know it's a JK?

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:19 am

In post 1, Something_Smart wrote:8. If more than half the players are voting for a player, then that player is executed and removed from the game, and the day will end. If the deadline is reached before a hammer occurs, the day will end without anyone dying.

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:22 am

In post 3541, Looker wrote:It's been one day.

Was the speed yeet personal? Because I'm looking through the shortest day and I don't get it. Next up I have to skim D1 wagons. Thank you for the help.

Not personal. Gamma just had bad associatives with Darby, so some of us were convinced and then Gamma self voted and Enchant YOLO hammered him

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:21 pm

In post 3543, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I wouldn't bother but I don't want Looker to think that's accurate.

There weren't bad associatives. Gamma was one of two counterwagons to Iconeum/Darby. Toog replaced the other.

Naw man, Gamma looked legit bad after D1. It was a legitimate yeet, but I wish enchant hadn't speed hammered.

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:04 pm

He wants to share you, baby

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:05 pm

Shag!

Damn you autocorrect for ruining my joke

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:12 pm

Interesting

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:13 pm

UNVOTE:

VOTE: enchant

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:18 pm

Your wagon sux

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:19 pm

I don't even think that was a hammer was it?

VP Baltar · Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:38 pm

VOTE: no elim

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:21 am

In post 3588, Looker wrote:Why the no elimination? Is there a mechanic I'm overlooking because I didn't see any odd/even-night roles in the OP.

Reduces the lim pool.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:24 am

I need to reread F&G to see if they left any clues about their targets, but I'm guessing if they had a guilty, they would have claimed.

As far as lim, my gut says start with dwlee. I did promise FG that I would flip dwlee if enchant flipped town.

Toog, where is your head at?

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:39 am

In post 3591, Dwlee99 wrote:Dude did pooky have a fucking tracker guilty on VP

Nice try

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:09 am

Looker, can I get some thoughts from you now that you've had time to think about the game?

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:10 am

SA - what's your solve and why?

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:33 am

In post 3597, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I'm trying to keep an open mind but its still hard to see Toog as scum.

Can you explain your reasoning here? I agree, but I'd like to see how you are coming to that conclusion.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:53 am

I'm town. Please get your vote off me if you are too.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:54 am

Great

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:54 am

Gg scum.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:59 am

In post 3607, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised that we won this...

I wasn't expecting toog to drop it on me like that. I figured we'd at least lim you first and tomorrow would be classic WIFOM fight haha

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:00 am

Thanks for excellent modding, SS!

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:03 am

In post 3615, Datisi wrote:they are even more embarrassing now that vp flipped green

This hurts the most haha

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:06 am

In hindsight, I shouldn't have intentionally picked a Fight with pooky to figure out the hydra alignment. I should have realized he was going to take it too personal and make it a giant distraction that he couldn't let go after I was finished.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:07 am

In post 3622, Datisi wrote:considering cakez was ic, maybe it would've been better if i had? /shrug

Yeah, probably. I don't think my ico interactions were actually that bad. But the A50 stuff was inescapable as a bad coincidence that looked scummy for real.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:26 am

Literally no one called the right scum team in the dead thread. I don't feel so bad now.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:49 am

In post 2450, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2266, Bingle wrote:
In post 2217, VP Baltar wrote:Bingle, what's your thought on that?
I can see a few explanations:

There's scum in the town leaders.
Scum wants us to think there's scum in the town leaders.
Scum thought A50 lurking was a PR tell.
Scum thought that A50 was impossible to eliminate based on my read.
A50 dropped a PR tell I didn't notice and scum did.
Scum thinks they're fucked and was trying to shake up the game with an off the wall kill.

Those are roughly in order of how likely I think they are.

It's why I'm interested in Andante's push on hockey, actually.
Coming back to this post. You don't think scum saw A50 as a direct threat is a viable option?

Also, when you're saying A50 was impossible to elim off your read, you're talking about the townslip thing?

@gamma - this was me poking around Bingle for just that. In my mind, I was thinking Bingle "townslip" cleared A50 to get town cred and then killed him off to not deal with it.

I was fighting too many fronts around A50 to get a Bingle yeet at that point though.

VP Baltar · Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:01 pm

In post 3625, Datisi wrote:actually i remembered i was given mod perms for them so

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88218

I hope I actually roll scum against you at some point because I think my actual scum game is so obvious

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:19 am

In post 3640, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I'll own that I was wrong on Enchant but other than that I don't think I screwed up

You played a good game. It's not on you!

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:09 am

In post 3645, Gamma Emerald wrote:bruh

Ah cmon, that was funny.

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:17 am

One day pooky will learn to read me.

Pedit - we agree on something!

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:22 am

In post 3651, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i literally tried to get you to vote off dwlee but you wouldnt sit still for like a minute >.>

My vote was there for awhile! It was other people not going for it. Probably worth rereading that section to see what was up.

In hindsight, I think that's when bingle kept revoting me again and again.

Fwiw, I was committed to following my promise and yeeting dwlee today.

I wonder of we had flipped dwlee then if you would have just tried to get me the next day.

VP Baltar · Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:43 am

In post 3653, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:no cuz i would have tracked you and cleared you

True true

VP Baltar · Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:08 am

In post 3658, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:was fun to play with you! hope you recover

^ This.

Even though you were scum, I routinely laughed at your posts and enjoyed playing with you. Feel better, Bingle!