Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]
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I was counting on someone going oops perspective slip there.In post 11, morph the cat wrote:Such confidence in our alignment, though~
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That's like six and it's not even ten days into 2022.In post 15, morph the cat wrote:Hi concerning, I'm Dad.
What, you like RVS?In post 16, Cephrir wrote:
is it bad that i thought it was kind of validIn post 12, Amazonian Legends wrote:
I was counting on someone going oops perspective slip there.In post 11, morph the cat wrote:Such confidence in our alignment, though~
That it's you is concerning.
also what if we didn't slayers gambit on page 1
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Missed this. I'm putting BoP on morph to not misread us, and I'm saying that if they claim to scumread us and get us miselim'd, they should be the next day's elim with prejudice.In post 17, Cephrir wrote:
huh?In post 14, Amazonian Legends wrote:You're welcome to fake a scum read on us, but you're signing your own elim wagon the next day if so
But we'll see what develops. Like you say, it's page one.
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Why are you so wooden?In post 16, Cephrir wrote:
is it bad that i thought it was kind of validIn post 12, Amazonian Legends wrote:
I was counting on someone going oops perspective slip there.In post 11, morph the cat wrote:Such confidence in our alignment, though~
That it's you is concerning.
also what if we didn't slayers gambit on page 1
I only think that you think a perspective slip is valid if you're grasping and that makes me sad.
Uh slayer's gambit? I wasn't slayer's gambiting, I was making a semi-serious joke. The type of joke at the beginning that someone always accuses me of something random for, so I expected it but not from them.-
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you might be! maybe I'm a stick in the mud.In post 31, Cephrir wrote:
am i? i feel pretty loose so far!In post 23, Amazonian Legends wrote:Why are you so wooden?-
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I don't think you've ever seen me as scum, no. Last night when I realized you were in the game, I checked to make sure that I remembered who you were correctly and looked at the last travesty of a game we played together and we had a discussion about that lol. That game was over 3 years ago and I've had a couple long mafia breaks since then.In post 39, implosion wrote:i'm not sure if i've ever actually scumread tammy. On the other hand i'm not sure if she's ever been scum in a game i'm in >.>
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Mmkay, which pairing do you think has the highest BoP?In post 24, morph the cat wrote:BoP is gonna work both ways here.
PA --> Cabd
PA --> ffery
Tammy --> Cabd
Tammy --> ffery
I think 'dreads' is stronger than I'd say, but I haven't seen a recent happy Cephrir scum game. Could vary based on teammates, but even Bloodstained with a good team and playing with his other half he was grumpy.
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I dread red pms because I do and because since I rarely play anymore it's been eons and I don't think I remember what to do anymore.In post 51, Cephrir wrote:i have come to dread red pms lately because my rate of rolling it in the past 2 years has been like 70% or higher
Also shirou - I, Tammy, will never remember to sign. Well probably not. I don't really sign anyway, and I think we'll be easy enough to tell apart. But, I was going to make a cutesy signature and refer to myself as Penthesilea and I forgot to even do that. :/-
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She's in the top 90% of scumhunters on site, dontcha know!In post 72, Shirou wrote:I also know Tammy is recognized as a very strong scum hunter if I'm not mistaken...
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To be clear, having laid out my stance with morph, I don't plan or want to center the whole game around usflirtingsorting one another. That would be rude to the other eleven players here.
Although if that's how I appeal to people, wow do I need to work on my social skills.
implosion, any other scum reads besides Tammy with no reasoning behind them?
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Why do I need an end goal?In post 166, fua wrote:
Just genuinely wondering because I’m confused as to what the end goal of the question is.In post 164, morph the cat wrote:
Why did post 110 in particular need to be poked at?In post 156, fua wrote:
Why ask this?In post 110, Amazonian Legends wrote:Hey GuiltyLion! Still love the avatar.
What do you expect from Ydrasse this game?
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No pressure!In post 72, Shirou wrote:I also know Tammy is recognized as a very strong scum hunter if I'm not mistaken...
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I might not be as easy of a read as I used to be. General approach is the same I think, but for the most part the over emotional part isn’t there anymore.In post 95, Cephrir wrote:
maybe a tiny townread on amazons? i expect tammy to be an easy read for me anyways (despite the fact i don't really know what her scum game looks like, shh) so probably not THAT usefulIn post 92, morph the cat wrote:
Did you get anything useful from it?In post 41, Cephrir wrote:
you know what they say, it takes three to thrango.In post 38, morph the cat wrote:
It was interesting that you stepped into the middle of the dance, though!In post 31, Cephrir wrote:
am i? i feel pretty loose so far!In post 23, Amazonian Legends wrote:Why are you so wooden?
I don’t know what my scum game looks like either and I’m pretty terrified at what it will look like.-
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I wanted to poke at this, and was waiting for you and penguin to be done, but I’ve been following along a bit while working and I think my thoughts there deflated but I’d been sitting on it to talk about it so I’m mostly posting this thought for my brain to let it go.In post 24, morph the cat wrote:
BoP is gonna work both ways here.In post 22, Amazonian Legends wrote:
Missed this. I'm putting BoP on morph to not misread us, and I'm saying that if they claim to scumread us and get us miselim'd, they should be the next day's elim with prejudice.In post 17, Cephrir wrote:
huh?In post 14, Amazonian Legends wrote:You're welcome to fake a scum read on us, but you're signing your own elim wagon the next day if so
But we'll see what develops. Like you say, it's page one.
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If you feel pocketed why is it fine?In post 162, fua wrote:
Strange add-on, but I also feel pocketed so I think it’s fine.In post 157, Shirou wrote:It's easy to feel like helping out when you relate to someone/something huh...-
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Why is that scum indicative?
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I know you had a conversation about part of this, but can you explain what you mean by appealing to?In post 119, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought you came off townier than the Amazonian Legends hydra, it seemed like their play was more centered on appealing to you than vice versa, but I don't know if I have fully formed Takes on it yet since there's always gonna be some level of inherent weirdness in how much experience/familiarity you all collectively have with each other and how it needs to be acknowledged/addressed up front regardless of your alignment combination. Honestly for D1 I might just defer to how you two hydras each sort eachother but I'll jump in if something feels off to me-
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It felt off to me in the moment and I wondered if you were posturing because I don’t think the BoP expectation is equal. I don’t think that Cabd messes up penguins alignment but I don’t think penguins reads Cabd in return as well as he reads her. For my part, I don’t think I’m likely to hold a scumread on you guys for long if you’re town unless I’m in one of those drowning in paranoia states, but I’m not like 100% I’d get you guys right.In post 231, morph the cat wrote:
what did you want to talk about?In post 220, Amazonian Legends wrote:
I wanted to poke at this, and was waiting for you and penguin to be done, but I’ve been following along a bit while working and I think my thoughts there deflated but I’d been sitting on it to talk about it so I’m mostly posting this thought for my brain to let it go.In post 24, morph the cat wrote:
BoP is gonna work both ways here.In post 22, Amazonian Legends wrote:
Missed this. I'm putting BoP on morph to not misread us, and I'm saying that if they claim to scumread us and get us miselim'd, they should be the next day's elim with prejudice.In post 17, Cephrir wrote:
huh?In post 14, Amazonian Legends wrote:You're welcome to fake a scum read on us, but you're signing your own elim wagon the next day if so
But we'll see what develops. Like you say, it's page one.
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I also did not like fua’s first post.
You might expect me too though and in that case it’s something you would say as town. But there was a niggle that you could be scum trying to force us off our footing. But you made a post a few pages back I liked and started thinking it was option one.-
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What’s the town read based on?In post 168, northsidegal wrote:
i don't have any idea of how to play the setup really, or if there's some specific strategy for this setup that would cause it to be played any way different than a regular one.In post 163, morph the cat wrote:Do you have any uninteresting thoughts about the game?
i lean town on fua.
this may sound like some kind of attack or affront or something given that i'm saying it to you (it's not meant to be), but i wonder if it would be best for town / for overall game health if the top posters were to sit back for a while. there are still people who haven't posted and it's always daunting to arrive to there already being like ten pages, and in general it might help get reads on some of the lower frequency posters. like i said, that isn't a recommendation – it's actually just me wondering, perhaps the distribution of posting is the reason why nobody seems to have any serious reads. or maybe it's just because we've somehow gotten onto really non-revealing conversation topics, who knows.
I’m trying to put my finger on what I don’t like about the active poster thing. I mean yeah it’s generally good advice, but it doesn’t feel like it fits in this game. What serious reads are people supposed to have by page 7?-
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What was big townvibes about that post?In post 182, Tejate Raichu wrote:
Getting some big TOWNVIBES from this post. That means Amazonian is confscum! Trust me on this one, I have never made a single incorrect read in my life.In post 177, morph the cat wrote:
Hello!In post 171, Tejate Raichu wrote:Ah, but it's so simple. Clearly one of the hydras is evil, so if we just tunnel vision one of them everything will work out fine.
neuterhalf is the cat who cackles and revs up the wood chipper. spayhalf is the cat who invites you over for a spot of polonium tea.
VOTE: Amazonian Legends
... for real though, I need to finish reading through the first 7 pages. Give me a moment.-
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What do you think about the vote and reasoning?In post 238, Tejate Raichu wrote:I find 172 and the ensuing vote by fua to be interesting here. Seems like myself and fua are the current most SR'd people, but I'm not really sure what that means at this point in the game. In my notes it goes anyways.-
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In post 242, Amazonian Legends wrote:
What do you think about the vote and reasoning?In post 238, Tejate Raichu wrote:I find 172 and the ensuing vote by fua to be interesting here. Seems like myself and fua are the current most SR'd people, but I'm not really sure what that means at this point in the game. In my notes it goes anyways.-
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I always want an honest opinion! Thanks! I’m gonna hold off talking about what I thought about the vote until fun has a chance to respond to my question.In post 246, Tejate Raichu wrote:
If you want my honest opinion, and do not take this as instant FoS as I think it would be silly to do this over a fairly minor incident, but my gut reaction says that this looks well... a little manufactured. It certainly doesn't seem like a random vote, but it feels like either or both sides could have manufactured a reason to vote.In post 245, Amazonian Legends wrote:In post 242, Amazonian Legends wrote:
What do you think about the vote and reasoning?In post 238, Tejate Raichu wrote:I find 172 and the ensuing vote by fua to be interesting here. Seems like myself and fua are the current most SR'd people, but I'm not really sure what that means at this point in the game. In my notes it goes anyways.
Of course, without any other context, this could also mean nothing since it's just as likely fua is town and found a reason to vote someone in what has otherwise been (from my perspective) a content thin game so far.-
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Is it like looking in a mirror?In post 249, Cephrir wrote:
this is why i sometimes get scumread for squirrelly language isn't it.In post 246, Tejate Raichu wrote:If you want my honest opinion, and do not take this as instant FoS as I think it would be silly to do this over a fairly minor incident, but my gut reaction says that this looks well... a little manufactured. It certainly doesn't seem like a random vote, but it feels like either or both sides could have manufactured a reason to vote.-
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How do you distinguish between self-awareness as a personality trait and a scum trait? What about his self-awareness indicated scum concerned with how they come across?In post 255, fua wrote:Scum tend to be very self-conscious about how they come off to others since, you know. It’s kind of their job to hide their alignment.
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I think I could easily make 257 as scum though.In post 263, morph the cat wrote:Day Masonize: Amazon
Ready to locktown as of 257.
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I don't hate this response. The reason I poked at it is because self-aware accusations are common easy tactics that scum use to scum read people with. It's typically a rather shallow reason to scum read people for especially considering it's more personality based than alignment based and some people are more self-aware as town than scum.In post 259, fua wrote:It’s the open acknowledgment of self-awareness coupled with his LAMIST attitude and admission of uselessness that made me suspicious of him to begin with. The part I quoted in particular stands out as pretty odd to me.
What do you think of him after your conversation this morning? (If you said, I missed it but I'm behind, so I'll see it as I catch up.
His posting just comes across rather earnest to me, and sure it has all the features you mentioned but I don't think it's coming from scum.
It was also hard to parse your side of the conversation with shirou this morning. I'm not sure if that's due to a language barrier, lack of experience or just a general talking past each other. There were a couple posts where I liked your fire or snark though, so I don't think it's intentional muddying the waters, but uh this is to preemptively say that I felt that some things got lost in translation and if I ask you a bunch of questions, I'm not trying to pick at you but trying to understand things that weren't clear.-
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Yeah, I do that too. Realizing that he's a super new player, I'm starting to think it's new awkwardness than a huge scum tell.In post 254, Cephrir wrote:
a little bit. i found myself wondering why this simple statement was couched in so much uncertainty and wondering if there was scum motivation for that, then remembered that i do this all the time.In post 252, Amazonian Legends wrote:
Is it like looking in a mirror?In post 249, Cephrir wrote:
this is why i sometimes get scumread for squirrelly language isn't it.In post 246, Tejate Raichu wrote:If you want my honest opinion, and do not take this as instant FoS as I think it would be silly to do this over a fairly minor incident, but my gut reaction says that this looks well... a little manufactured. It certainly doesn't seem like a random vote, but it feels like either or both sides could have manufactured a reason to vote.-
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It's gonna take me a while to catch up as I'll be catching up while getting work done.In post 488, morph the cat wrote:@Amazons
when your heads are in the game and caught up, we'll probably be ready to toss some ideas around.-
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NSG - I don't really care if you don't answer the second question, but I would like the first one answered.In post 234, Amazonian Legends wrote:
What’s the town read based on?In post 168, northsidegal wrote:
i don't have any idea of how to play the setup really, or if there's some specific strategy for this setup that would cause it to be played any way different than a regular one.In post 163, morph the cat wrote:Do you have any uninteresting thoughts about the game?
i lean town on fua.
this may sound like some kind of attack or affront or something given that i'm saying it to you (it's not meant to be), but i wonder if it would be best for town / for overall game health if the top posters were to sit back for a while. there are still people who haven't posted and it's always daunting to arrive to there already being like ten pages, and in general it might help get reads on some of the lower frequency posters. like i said, that isn't a recommendation – it's actually just me wondering, perhaps the distribution of posting is the reason why nobody seems to have any serious reads. or maybe it's just because we've somehow gotten onto really non-revealing conversation topics, who knows.
I’m trying to put my finger on what I don’t like about the active poster thing. I mean yeah it’s generally good advice, but it doesn’t feel like it fits in this game. What serious reads are people supposed to have by page 7?-
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Yeah that makes sense.In post 305, GuiltyLion wrote:
It felt like you had a goal of establishing that you were going to scumread them if they scumread you, and your posts demonstrated that intention, whereas their opening was more just reacting to your entry.In post 232, Amazonian Legends wrote:
I know you had a conversation about part of this, but can you explain what you mean by appealing to?In post 119, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought you came off townier than the Amazonian Legends hydra, it seemed like their play was more centered on appealing to you than vice versa, but I don't know if I have fully formed Takes on it yet since there's always gonna be some level of inherent weirdness in how much experience/familiarity you all collectively have with each other and how it needs to be acknowledged/addressed up front regardless of your alignment combination. Honestly for D1 I might just defer to how you two hydras each sort eachother but I'll jump in if something feels off to me
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morph (and penguin)In post 310, GuiltyLion wrote:
this post in particularIn post 243, Cephrir wrote:so 238 essentially just says "hey look everyone i have handwritten notes" since there is no actual reason for it to exist.
I could definitely imagine it being town in Ceph's spot trying to pressure a questionable slot, but it's just ever so slightly too aggressive for me. like I can see where Ceph is coming from calling out that the "notes" comment is a bit LAMISTy, but it's not too hard for me to imagine a town!Tejate writing the post and thinking it might be useful, he feels genuine to me
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As a founding member of the hold onto your vote club, I approve of this message. Be prepared to receive a bunch of shit for it though!In post 355, Shirou wrote:I kinda want to become someone that rarely throws around his vote, so that when I do finally vote someone it's supposed to be given proper attention.-
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>>In post 384, Tejate Raichu wrote:Just for you, I will retroactively attempt to will a town PM into existence.-
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heh, this is the main thing I disliked from NSG. It's a very easy thing for scum to post; makes it look like they care about the game oh so much. Sure town can do it too, but something about the way she worded it felt wrong and kinda cookie cutter.In post 391, fua wrote:If you need me to name something I think her suggestion of the top posters sitting back for a while is a good idea, especially since we have a person who hasn’t posted still.-
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*twitch*In post 394, GuiltyLion wrote:
this post is not a good look, my vote staysIn post 328, fua wrote:
Yes, I want a distraction from my own slot, so instead of enlisting my buddies to do something or waiting my turn, I just hop in balls-out into a pre-existing feud right after people express suspicion of me, because I'm eager to get away from the pressure of zero votes. You have solved the case very early into day 1. I'm not sure what you think my level of experience is or how well-versed I am in how to play this game, but this isn't it chief.In post 311, GuiltyLion wrote:actually though I am thinking fua's jump in is worse than Ceph's push
I townread Tejate, but I can imagine Ceph being town misfiring on him. I think if that was a T-T spat, fua's play vibes like scum looking for a distraction outside the scrutiny their own slot is receiving, and leveraging Tejate/Ceph to do it
VOTE: fua
you feel extremely defensive, leans on sarcasm extra thick to try to imply that voting/scumreading you is dumb, and is the implication here supposed to be that scum you would never hop into any feud? How else would scum find things to push on or reasons to scumread people?
Where did the "solved the case" nonsense come from? Did my post give you the impression I felt I had "already solved"? Why?-
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this game is already fodder for a buzzword drinking game lolIn post 512, morph the cat wrote:Also I'm gonna have to break out the benadryl if I see many more "LAMISTy" references.-
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Can you expand on your nq townread?In post 466, implosion wrote:I very desperately want to call Shirou super town but I feel like he's the kind of slot that I incorrectly townread sometimes.
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Ceph's post there had a little kick to it, and I was trying to remember if that was more likely to come from ceph!town than ceph!scum. It's been so long, but I thought I remember it being more likely to come from town him?In post 512, morph the cat wrote:
When the post hit the thread, we snorted at Ceph dusting off the Titus handwritten notes tell. And we don't think it's a valid observation in this case.In post 508, Amazonian Legends wrote:
morph (and penguin)In post 310, GuiltyLion wrote:
this post in particularIn post 243, Cephrir wrote:so 238 essentially just says "hey look everyone i have handwritten notes" since there is no actual reason for it to exist.
I could definitely imagine it being town in Ceph's spot trying to pressure a questionable slot, but it's just ever so slightly too aggressive for me. like I can see where Ceph is coming from calling out that the "notes" comment is a bit LAMISTy, but it's not too hard for me to imagine a town!Tejate writing the post and thinking it might be useful, he feels genuine to me
What did you guys think about this? Both the original post by Ceph and the analysis by Guilty Lion?
I don't really have an objection to GL's characterization of Ceph, beyond my general concern that many of his stances so far feel overblown given the data in the thread.
Also I'm gonna have to break out the benadryl if I see many more "LAMISTy" references.
Anyway, I found gl's post there about it a bit scummy, but then I just read through his back and forth with fua, and I liked his posts there, so now I"m kinda meh on thinking this was a scummy post.
I'm caught up but need to step away and finish some work, so I'll be back shortly.-
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I liked ydrasse's thread presence yesterday, and I liked that at two times - with tejate and nq - she voted just as I was thinking they were suspicious. That's a terrible take I know, but I still liked it. I know she's started posting more now, but I have a headache and I'm going to bed, so reading that other than a skim will have to wait. Vacation is over, so I need to get back on a schedule.In post 561, morph the cat wrote:{amazons}
{Shirou}
{fua, Tejate} -- ffery thought about having fua up one, but it's probably just all the Axe fragrance wafting through the thread
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the rest of you fucks
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{NSG, ydrasse}
Ydrasse because she's kinda looking like she doesn't really want to be active in the thread, and because her numberq vote looked like one of those bold moves she sometimes makes as scum, like she was hurrying to be at the front of the town parade.
NSG is also giving off thread-avoidance vibes and we're still not too thrilled with the way she threw herself in front of our comment to fua. hobnail boots, etc., though it wasn't exactly a line of questioning.
If ydrasse is scum and we're not just being paranoid, then GL's easy townread there after the dancegame becomes a point of great interest.
not enough data to make an educated guess, but kinda scum-leaning tea, and kinda townleaning imaginality
Both heads are suspicious of nsg. Penguin doesn't like that she said the thing about holding off on posting and then didn't post herself. That doesn't bother me so much as I didn't like the post itself, and the interactions with you regarding fua felt wrong. Like it felt like a wrist slap rather than an actual defense or figuring you out. I pondered that it was a scum/scum conversation over fua because something didn't sit right. It just didn't feel like town talking to someone whose alignment she didn't know. I was hoping there'd be more today to see if I was chasing shadows here.
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Might follow along and post again if I can't sleep, but hopefully you don't see me until tomorrow. Don't think Penguin is going to get a chance to post tonight.-
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Sorry, yesterday was a bad day for my activity here. After eyes glazing over yesterday and catching up-ish today, here's where I stand (haven't talked to Tammy fresh yet):
Town:
Tejate Raichu
fua
Shirou
Nothing too wild here. I was scum reading fua during the interminably long back and forth something like 15-20 pages ago, but that may have been annoyance at having to read all that.
D3 pass:
morph the cat (Cabd & fferyllt): town read, but respecting their scum range. Happy to chat as they like.
Townlean:
Cephrir
Nothing to push me off my initial impression, but I'm not sure I generally articulate why I read Cephrir as I do very well.
Moving up:
Ydrasse
I like her tone, and I don't see much agenda here in contrast to morph's read. Tonight she's one of the players whose ISO I plan to read through for a better feel.
Need more from me or them:
implosion
imaginality
redtea
The latter two are obvious, but implosion is where I need more from me. I would like to go find that scum game we apparently had together, but MS search is being a jerkface. I also have trouble remembering what stances implosion has been taking, which again is a me-thing.
Moving down:
GuiltyLion
numberQ
Stale reads here, plus I feel like they've both trailed off into being tangents. GL's ISO is another I need to reread more closely, but numberQ's looks like a boxer dancing around the edge of the ring. Nothing lands or stays in his focus. GL is mostly a product of the above town reads and being suspicious of the other side of the engagement. Again, ISO reread needed.
Scum:
northsidegal
I'm not voting here because I want to give her some room to post and do something, but I really hate the whole 'stop talking and let the thread posters diversify' followed by a (likely known?) period of zero posts. It's a pro-town move that costs her nothing.
Probably not much more for me until late tonight, but I can phonepost a bit on and off.
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